Any keen photographers?

[DionM]

Anyone into photography?

I made the switch from film to digital late last year, I shoot with a Canon EOS20D now. Have a few L lenses, and dedicated macro lens with extension tubes.

I shoot everything in RAW and then tweak in software.

Below are a few of my recent experiements (the first few BW ones have noise artificially added to increase the mood).

http://fotos-files-forums.net/fotos/Demolition_Bldg/IMG_4593_BW_noise_frame.jpg

http://fotos-files-forums.net/fotos/Demolition_Bldg/IMG_4617_BW_noise_frame.jpg

http://fotos-files-forums.net/fotos/Demolition_Bldg/IMG_4618_BW_noise_frame.jpg

http://fotos-files-forums.net/fotos/Demolition_Bldg/IMG_4637_BW_noise_frame.jpg

And some less sombre photos ...

http://fotos-files-forums.net/fotos/Mt_cootha/IMG_4175_crop_frame.jpg

http://fotos-files-forums.net/fotos/Mt_cootha/IMG_4194_crop_frame.jpg

http://fotos-files-forums.net/fotos/Mt_cootha/IMG_4238_frame.jpg

http://fotos-files-forums.net/fotos/Mt_cootha/IMG_4152_crop_frame.jpg

http://fotos-files-forums.net/fotos/Byron_Bay/IMG_3636_frame.jpg

[Phoenix]

Love that B&W set Dion, i'd love to expend some film on some derelict buildings. I did some work for the family engineering company a while back in an old site that had been used by the engineering and foundary for about 100 years, but alas it's a car yard now, pity I wasn't into photography then style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

I'd love a nice digital camera, would save me heaps in film and allow me to do some more, but I can;t afford one ...... yet :twisted:

[drivesafe]

Nice pictures DionM, but could I make a couple of suggestions for the benefit of those, like me, who are on the dial-up connections.

First set your picture size to say 600 pixels wide, this will put your picture in the forum column and most people will not need to scroll side wards to see the whole picture.

Use a program that allows you to do something like “Save To Web” ,
this will dramatically reduce the down load time but will have very little effect on the quality of the picture.

Cheers

[DionM]

Originally posted by drivesafe
Nice pictures DionM, but could I make a couple of suggestions for the benefit of those, like me, who are on the dial-up connections.

First set your picture size to say 600 pixels wide, this will put your picture in the forum column and most people will not need to scroll side wards to see the whole picture.

Use a program that allows you to do something like “Save To Web” ,
this will dramatically reduce the down load time but will have very little effect on the quality of the picture.

Cheers

Yeah sorry drivesafe, I tend to forget about dial-up.

Those shots are set to 700p max width/height. I do compress them to 80% JPEG quality, which is about the trade-off point with quality. Probably the number of images is what choked your dial-up, rather than the size (each is approx 100-150kb, I think).

[drivesafe]

Hi DionM, the same pictures can be reduced to about 40 or 50k and not look any different

Cheers

[VladTepes]

Mate I love photography and would LOVE a new camera but will stay with my old Minolta Dynax film SLR until it dies (not too far away I think 8O ) and then get a Canon 350D when I can afford it.

How can you afford a 20D when you own Land Rovers :?:

Someone is obviously paying you too much :!: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[drivesafe]

Hi again DionM, have a look at the bottom picture on the G Gauge section where you were before. Thats the pic of the 2 steamers at the platform. That picture is just 28k.

If you have Photoshop Elements, there is a “Save To Web” command that reduces the file size. That picture was originally around 3mb.

Cheers.

[DionM]

Originally posted by VladTepes

Someone is obviously paying you too much :!: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Heh. I'm an engineer. We never get paid enough, let alone overpaid :wink:

[Grizzly_Adams]

I don't mind taking the odd photo. Park of what I like about 4wd'ing, you can get photo's of places that a lot of other people will never see.

At the moment I have an old Minolta dImage 7i - digital but a couple of years old now.

I haven't really had the time to spend a great deal learning about how to take photo's, but I've had a few pointers. Such as take them in RAW format (or your camera's equivalent if it is digital) and then edit them using software. I use the Adobe Photoshop Elements as it seems to be best in the marketplace at the moment (and well actually it came with the camera ;-) ).

Here are a few of what I see as the better photo's taken (out of the hundreds) whilst I've been in Switzerland:

Xmas 2004 - my wife calls these flowers "Father Xmas's":
http://www.bloodvale.com/images/temp/father-xmas.jpg

I call this one the home of the Fairies. It's just a light underneath a bush, however with all the snow etc. on top I thought it looked cool:
http://www.bloodvale.com/images/temp/Fairy_Tree.jpg

A couple of weeks ago my wife and I went on a very very VERY short holiday to Croatia (it's actually quite the tourist spot - nice weather, lovely water, beaches). We were surprised at their "beaches", I'd never seen the like before:
http://www.bloodvale.com/images/temp/Croatia_beach.jpg

Lastly, and probably the photo I am the most proud of, is a view from our balcony here in Switzerland. Don't get me wrong not everyone has views like this! Most people live in apartments in the city and their view consists of the next apartment block, however we live outside the city because we needed somewhere for our doggies and this is the type of view you can get on a clear (if overcast) day - and yes I may have tweaked the colours a little but it's still magnificent:
http://www.bloodvale.com/images/temp/stormy_balcony.jpg

I made sure to use the "Save to Web" and resized them to no bigger than 600pixels wide functions in Adobe Photoshop Elements for all those pictures, and not one of them is over 60k (average is 45k I think) so I hope I haven't upset anyone on dialup.

DionW those pictures are beautiful, I wish I had half the eye that you did.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I'm a bit of a photo buff. I have a all Nikon stuff, a F100, FM, and a host of lenses. I tend to keep B&w in the FM, and just colour in the F100.

I'd switch to digital, but while I've got good film cameras I'll just keep using them.

My take is that digital is a good thing because it's made photography "cool" and everyone is getting into it.

However there are a couple of big downsides IMHO. When I take colour I want it to be spot on. In digital, that can be a very elusive goal style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif. I also reckon that it is going to lead to a generation of lost photos. Most photos last as long as the next hard disk crash. I know it doesn't have to be this way, but I know that is how it is for most people.

I love taking black and white, knowing that it will outlast the child subjects if looked after style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I also reckon ecconomically that digital is still quite expensive... simply because to replace my film cameras I'm up for 2-3k (although that isn't really equivalent), and then I have to replace them every 4 years because they become out of date :roll: :roll:

No to mention expensive battery replacements, the costs of printing, effective storage.....

How many of you out there know that the average cheapo cd has a life expectancy of 5 years, and that there is only one dvd on the market that guarentees a 50year archive life? When was the last time you saw a PC with a 5.25 inch floppy drive?

<rant off> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Grizzly_Adams]

Personally I realise that digital doesn't have the same colour depth as film. I have listened to and read several articles from people discussing how digital actually works and the amount of colour depth you do actually get.

Yes there is also the down side of the "lost photo's", because buying photo paper is quite expensive not to mention getting a decent photo printer, then there's the ink costs etc. etc. etc.

However having said that, the ability to view and (if necessary) delete a stuffed-up photo is very handy for us amateurs style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[DionM]

Originally posted by Captain_Rightfoot

However there are a couple of big downsides IMHO. When I take colour I want it to be spot on. In digital, that can be a very elusive goal style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif. I also


It used to be, but I certainly don't think that is the case with the current crop of SLRs. There are two extremes - Digital PnS which have huge overcompensation in saturation etc (to give the photos 'pop' for the average punter) and DSLRs which when setup can look really bad. But adjustments in post processing can 'fix' the latter a lot.

For me digital has involved a LOT more post processing. But it has also allowed me more creativity than afforded with film. And that creativity is what I love about photography.

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reckon that it is going to lead to a generation of lost photos. Most photos last as long as the next hard disk crash. I know it doesn't have to be this way, but I know that is how it is for most people.
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Yes this is something one has to keep in mind with digital. As part of going digital I upgraded all my lenses and my PC. I have over 1TB of storage now. On my PC I have replication between two 250GB drives of all my photos (two copies on separate drives, updated every 30mins automatically); plus I have a third external USB drive with copies of them all. I also periodically backup to DVD and CD.

You also have to upgrade your display device (my next move). You simply can't get good colours on cheap monitors.

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I love taking black and white, knowing that it will outlast the child subjects if looked after style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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You are right. Negs are a great 'shoot and forget' storage medium. If somewhat cumbersome in size - I have three boxes of negs under my bed, vs a single 400GB HDD that I could store all those photos on electronically (another project, I am currently film scanning all my negs).

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I also reckon ecconomically that digital is still quite expensive... simply because to replace my film cameras I'm up for 2-3k (although that isn't really equivalent), and then I have to replace them every 4 years because they become out of date :roll: :roll:
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Yes and no. Theoretically the current batch of 8MP SLRs can match 35mm film for resolution/grain at almost all print sizes. So you won't have to upgrade for that reason. But wear and tear etc probably will force the issue to upgrade - they're not like the old mechanical bodies.

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No to mention expensive battery replacements, the costs of printing, effective storage.....
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Li-ion rechargable batteries last a long time. My first digital camera battery has lasted 3yrs without a problem. They are only $60. I used to eat thru Lithium batts in my film SLR - $25 a set, about one a year. Same cost. Printing has also come down - 30c a copy at BigW, which is the about same as you pay for a roll of 36 shots - and you get to pick which ones you want 8)

PC storage can be a killer if you're not up to speed with PCs - I would dread what I would have paid if I had been buying PCs off the shelf.

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How many of you out there know that the average cheapo cd has a life expectancy of 5 years, and that there is only one dvd on the market that guarentees a 50year archive life? When was the last time you saw a PC with a 5.25 inch floppy drive?
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You are dead right. Don't trust any single media; and keep migrating to new media. I have stuff now on DVD that originally started off on 360kB floppies (mind you, I have no idea why I am keeping my Grade 9 assignments from my old XT, but hey!).

BTW - not arguing with you, I see what you are saying, but I absolutely love digital - it has rekindled my interest in photography a huge amount.

My biggest gripe is the 1.6 crop factor on all but the 10k+ cameras. I miss my super wide angle shots. :cry:

[EchiDna]

Dion, you can still get the super wide angles - you just need to use something wider than before ;-) go all the way to 8mm if you have to!

I'm full digital and loving it - great with a young son to send some happy snaps to the parents in Melbourne (the wife's Canon powershot Pro1 - 8 Mp 'point and shoot' is used for this) and I'm mucking around with a D300 and a little collection of semi-pro lenses, no L glass at the moment. I bought my DSLR second hand, 6 months old and used as a body backup by a professional here - cost was under A$600, new is about A$1300 in Singapore.

[DionM]

Originally posted by EchiDna
Dion, you can still get the super wide angles - you just need to use something wider than before ;-) go all the way to 8mm if you have to!


This is true. But have you priced an f2.8 or faster 8mm 8O Also looks a bit funny style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

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I'm full digital and loving it - great with a young son to send some happy snaps to the parents in Melbourne (the wife's Canon powershot Pro1 - 8 Mp 'point and shoot' is used for this) and I'm mucking around with a D300 and a little collection of semi-pro lenses, no L glass at the moment. I bought my DSLR second hand, 6 months old and used as a body backup by a professional here - cost was under A$600, new is about A$1300 in Singapore.[/b][/quote]

I love my L glass. The quality is just amazing. 8)

[EchiDna]

Originally posted by DionM+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DionM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-EchiDna
Dion, you can still get the super wide angles - you just need to use something wider than before ;-) go all the way to 8mm if you have to!


This is true. But have you priced an f2.8 or faster 8mm 8O Also looks a bit funny style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

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I'm full digital and loving it - great with a young son to send some happy snaps to the parents in Melbourne (the wife's Canon powershot Pro1 - 8 Mp 'point and shoot' is used for this) and I'm mucking around with a D300 and a little collection of semi-pro lenses, no L glass at the moment. I bought my DSLR second hand, 6 months old and used as a body backup by a professional here - cost was under A$600, new is about A$1300 in Singapore.[/b][/quote]

I love my L glass. The quality is just amazing. 8)[/b][/quote]

ah... well the 8mm 2.8 is something special 8O I would never consider buying such a lens new! less than half new price here in the secondhand market.

L Glass... *sigh* do you have all primes or a mixed bag?

my dream lens back when I had a EOS50E was the 35-350L - now I think I'd prefer 17-35L, 50mm 1.8, 70mm, 200mm 2.8 and a "bigma" with a couple of tele convertors for bird photography... but then again by the time I can afford all of that little collection, I'll have had to sell everything I own or spend all of my inheritance to get em!

[DionM]

Originally posted by EchiDna

L Glass... *sigh* do you have all primes or a mixed bag?


I have the 17-40L and 70-200 f2.8L. I also have the 100 f2.8 and 50 f1.8 and am looking at the 300 f4L IS. So a mixed bag.

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my dream lens back when I had a EOS50E was the 35-350L - now I think I'd prefer 17-35L, 50mm 1.8, 70mm, 200mm 2.8 and a "bigma" with a couple of tele convertors for bird photography... but then again by the time I can afford all of that little collection, I'll have had to sell everything I own or spend all of my inheritance to get em![/b][/quote]

I do like the 35-350L but its a bit slow. The Bigma is also a bit impractical, I've looked at it but I think the 300f4L and a 1.4x TC is a better solution, has IS and better optics.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Dion,

Good work.. you're clearly very enthusiastic about it.

I respest where you are style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Only point I would make is that I know liion batteries are supposed to last forever, but I can't get more than a year out of the one in my video camera before it dies, and it's $70 for a no-name brand one (they seem to last as long as the panasonic ones) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

As to retention strategies, you've clearly thought muchly about it. Good work style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif My point is that hardly anyone but the most enthusiastic amateurs do. Hell, Cannon sell printers that you plug into the camera, print your shot and delete it off the camera. In 5 years it's gone style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[DionM]

Originally posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Only point I would make is that I know liion batteries are supposed to last forever, but I can't get more than a year out of the one in my video camera before it dies, and it's $70 for a no-name brand one (they seem to last as long as the panasonic ones) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif


That's bizzare. What type of charger are you using (Li-ion need a dedicated charger)? I use the dedicated Canon charger for mine (both my 20D and my 3.5year old Powershot G2 which uses the same batteries) and never have a problem; even with my $10 cheapies from Hong Kong!

[Bushie]

Originally posted by Captain_Rightfoot


As to retention strategies, you've clearly thought muchly about it. Good work style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif My point is that hardly anyone but the most enthusiastic amateurs do. Hell, Cannon sell printers that you plug into the camera, print your shot and delete it off the camera. In 5 years it's gone style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

Sadly I think a generation of lost photos will prove to be true,

I can drag out photos I took 30years ago or even ones my father took 50 years ago.

I wonder will we be able to easily view a CD/DVD of today in 30-50 years after all who could easily look at something on a 5-1/4 floppy today and they are only ~20years old.

Having said that I've just got into digital and where I would have conserved film I happy to fire off a couple of hundred digi's


Bushie

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Originally posted by DionM+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DionM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Captain_Rightfoot

Only point I would make is that I know liion batteries are supposed to last forever, but I can't get more than a year out of the one in my video camera before it dies, and it's $70 for a no-name brand one (they seem to last as long as the panasonic ones) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif


That's bizzare. What type of charger are you using (Li-ion need a dedicated charger)? I use the dedicated Canon charger for mine (both my 20D and my 3.5year old Powershot G2 which uses the same batteries) and never have a problem; even with my $10 cheapies from Hong Kong![/b][/quote]
Yeah mate... I dunno. It's a 2.5 year old Panasonic. It's only ever charged with the Panasonic Liion charger... but the camera is on it's third battery. It doesn't get a real lot of use either 8O :?: :?:

[EchiDna]

Originally posted by Captain_Rightfoot+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Captain_Rightfoot)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by DionM@
<!--QuoteBegin-Captain_Rightfoot

Only point I would make is that I know liion batteries are supposed to last forever, but I can't get more than a year out of the one in my video camera before it dies, and it's $70 for a no-name brand one (they seem to last as long as the panasonic ones) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif


That's bizzare. What type of charger are you using (Li-ion need a dedicated charger)? I use the dedicated Canon charger for mine (both my 20D and my 3.5year old Powershot G2 which uses the same batteries) and never have a problem; even with my $10 cheapies from Hong Kong!
Yeah mate... I dunno. It's a 2.5 year old Panasonic. It's only ever charged with the Panasonic Liion charger... but the camera is on it's third battery. It doesn't get a real lot of use either 8O :?: :?:[/b][/quote]

ah thats the problem then... Li-ion batteries hate being dead flat for long periods of time as much as they hate being over charged... even when you aint using the camera, stick the battery on charge overnight at least once every couple of weeks - you can see the battery regain some of it's lost capacity after a few quick charge-discharge-recharge-discharge cycles ;-)

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by Bushie
Having said that I've just got into digital and where I would have conserved film I happy to fire off a couple of hundred digi's

Bushie

Yes but is that a good thing :?: I beleive a lot of people just thionk less about the composition of their shots assuming that "one of them will work out OK".

Then when they get home there's an agonising which frame should I keep, which one should I delete thing going on.

Of course if all care is taken for each frame thats a different story.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Originally posted by VladTepes+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VladTepes)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Bushie
Having said that I've just got into digital and where I would have conserved film I happy to fire off a couple of hundred digi's

Bushie

Yes but is that a good thing :?: I beleive a lot of people just thionk less about the composition of their shots assuming that "one of them will work out OK".

Then when they get home there's an agonising which frame should I keep, which one should I delete thing going on.

Of course if all care is taken for each frame thats a different story.[/b][/quote]
That is a excellent point. I bought a flash Nikon SLR with auto exposure and autofocus a few years back. For a while my photography went down hill because I stopped thinking about what I was doing as I had to do for each frame I took with my old fully manual SLR.

I chastised myself back into form though and all is now good again. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif Think before press is a good rule of photography. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by Captain_Rightfoot
That is a excellent point.

That's fpr those who doubted I ever make sense. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Originally posted by VladTepes+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VladTepes)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Captain_Rightfoot
That is a excellent point.

That's fpr those who doubted I ever make sense. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/b][/quote]

lol style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[incisor]

I finally got a pic out of this camera that didnt have my thumb in it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif !















http://www.aulro.com/albums/album20/HPIM0752.sized.jpg

[VladTepes]

No Patrick Litchfield are you :!: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by incisor
I finally got a pic out of this camera that didnt have my thumb in it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif !















http://www.aulro.com/albums/album20/HPIM0752.sized.jpg













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the phantom......... </span>:?:

[drivesafe]

H Captain_Rightfoot, first off, I have two semi-pro Panasonic digital video cameras and an entry level Sony Digital-8.

The Panasonic have got to be the worst designed digital video cameras on the market. The Sony leaves both Panasonic's for dead. :twisted:

I have always been a fan of Masu****a gear ( Technics, National, JVC, Panasonic ) starting with a Technics CD4 Quadriphonic record player.

I’ve had heaps of their gear and up until a few years ago, they made great stuff.

I bought my first DV camera about 7 years ago. At the time I also bought 2 additional batteries. The camera is now stuffed but one of the batteries is still in good nick.

The trick with video camera batteries ( the same may also apply to still camera batteries, someone else may be able to comment ) is not to leave them in the camera when not in use. Even if you do some video work on one day and your going to use the camera the next day still take the battery out of the camera over night.

When you know you have finished with the camera for a while, before you put every thing away, charge the batteries.

Then when, after a long period of non use, put the batteries in the charger and when they are fully charged, remove them, leave them for an hour or so to cool ( most camera battery chargers monitor the temp of the battery while charging them ), once they are cold to touch, put them back into the charger again. Only do this after they have been sitting around unused for a long period of time.

Cheers.

[VladTepes]

speaking of which - how's the production of the "Mt Mee Movie" (not a porno, despite the dodgy sounding name) coming along :?:

[drivesafe]

Mt Me Movie :twisted: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif :wink:

[adm333]

Some pics I have taken recently.....

I only have a fairly new Kodak digital, but so far I am impressed with its clarity and depth of colour. The full size pics are amazing.


http://www.aulro.com/albums/ADM333-94-RR-Vogue-SE/tamrookum.sized.jpg

http://www.aulro.com/albums/ADM333-94-RR-Vogue-SE/church.jpg

http://www.aulro.com/albums/ADM333-94-RR-Vogue-SE/balmoral08.jpg

http://www.aulro.com/albums/ADM333-94-RR-Vogue-SE/balmoral16.jpg

[noddy]

Thought I would share this pic, as it has been causing a few giggles amongst some friends....

This is me (left :wink: ) with my little God Son.

http://www.aulro.com/albums/Pics/FramedWateringDaLawnB_W.sized.jpg

[drivesafe]

Originally posted by Noddy
Thought I would share this pic, as it has been causing a few giggles amongst some friends....

This is me (left :wink: ) with my little God Son.

Silly me, here I was thinking it was the other way round. 8O

[disco95]

Originally posted by drivesafe+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(drivesafe)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Noddy
Thought I would share this pic, as it has been causing a few giggles amongst some friends....

This is me (left :wink: ) with my little God Son.

Silly me, here I was thinking it was the other way round. 8O[/b][/quote]

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[disco95]

Here's a couple of mine.

http://image48.webshots.com/48/5/53/75/2823553750060024384FcJlYS_ph.jpg

This one's a Macrozamia communis plant in the Seven mile beach NP
http://image50.webshots.com/150/1/69/48/2061169480060024384pkATEO_ph.jpg

How about "Wild Boobalator"
http://image46.webshots.com/46/6/90/15/2597690150060024384UwOXxC_ph.jpg

Or "girls at play"
http://image51.webshots.com/51/5/41/74/2886541740060024384XgjOUE_ph.jpg