People were actually paid, to reach this conclusion.

[bob10]

Ask any senior NCO, they will give you the secret to this .

Positive team mood does not guarantee better performance - Science - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-03/emotional-intelligence-helps-make-a-happy-team-productive/6784384)

[weeds]

Ask any senior NCO, they will give you the secret to this .



Positive team mood does not guarantee better performance - Science - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-03/emotional-intelligence-helps-make-a-happy-team-productive/6784384)


I'm not convinced a senior NCO would....a digger yes

[digger]

I'm not convinced a senior NCO would....a digger yes

you called ?? :)
(actually no you didnt.... sorry!)

[squizzyhunter]

Funny how common sense needs to be formally validated to neutralize the buzzword of the week every now and then. A lot of the time research looses the forest when analysing the tree. Unfortunately without this total waste of money researching the obvious in said article the mountain narrowly focused research into a positive work environment (over the last 5 yrs or so) will be followed religiously without question by academics. That is until the next buzz work comes along anyways.
As one of my old professors used to say "in academia you will learn more and more about less and less".

[bob10]

[QUOTE=weeds;2464398]I'm not convinced a senior NCO would....a digger yes[/QUOTE

The rank & file have always voiced their opinions. But without leadership, there would just be anarchy. Rusty says it well.

https://youtu.be/9Igooxb4D1c

[Blknight.aus]

pfftt.

just cause you're in a position of command doesnt mean your in a position of control.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I think you need to understand university research a little better before you claim that the research was paid for.

The principle researcher doctoral student "Amy Collins" was actually a PhD student so would most likely have been paying for the degree. Dr Troth would have been paid by the university, but only to supervise his student, not for the actual study per se.

[ramblingboy42]

Senior NCO's were originally baggy arses who WORKED their way up through the ranks.

[rick130]

pfftt.

just cause you're in a position of command doesnt mean your in a position of control.


A very good friend worked as a nurse at ADFA for ten years and wanted to get tee shirts printed 'Control is an illusion' just to watch the apoplectic reactions from the brass. :D

[ramblingboy42]

pfftt.

just cause you're in a position of command doesnt mean your in a position of control.

I once told a platoon commander of mine that he'd been shot in the back several times by his own men.

He asked me who they were.......and why.

[Blknight.aus]

my preferred method of dealing with officers like that was to run up to them as fast as I could come to a boot sliding halt in front of them and out of breath give it.

"Sir, need you to approve a sniper check"

as soon as they said yes I'd throw a boxer and start looking around at the elevated positions and concealed ground.

"Damn, No snipers in the area sir"

drop the boxer and walk off.

[bob10]

pfftt.

just cause you're in a position of command doesnt mean your in a position of control.

Mankind started going to hell in a hand basket, when they banned the Cat, & the cane [ for some reason, I can't activate smilies. Divine intervention? ]

[ramblingboy42]

my preferred method of dealing with officers like that was to run up to them as fast as I could come to a boot sliding halt in front of them and out of breath give it.

"Sir, need you to approve a sniper check"

as soon as they said yes I'd throw a boxer and start looking around at the elevated positions and concealed ground.

"Damn, No snipers in the area sir"

drop the boxer and walk off.

....ahhh Dave , you crack me up......so funny.

we weren't allowed to salute officers in the field.....that's why.....hahahahahaha

[bob10]

....ahhh Dave , you crack me up......so funny.

we weren't allowed to salute officers in the field.....that's why.....hahahahahaha

Yes, a great way to make them a target. Wait, that was the whole idea, wasn't it. It's funny, but the only soldiers I speak to who actually respect their officers [ mostly] are those who saw active service. Usually after about the second or third rotation, when the wheat has been sorted from the chaff.

[weeds]

I'm not convinced a senior NCO would....a digger yes



The rank & file have always voiced their opinions. But without leadership, there would just be anarchy. Rusty says it well.



https://youtu.be/9Igooxb4D1c


I didn't come across many good leaders in my time in the green machine, dictators yes, yell and scream leaders yes, common sense out the window leaders yes......there was the odd good leader.

I found as soon as a leader come along things turned to ****.......although from the eyes of Blue Bell.....the army doesn't roll without us.

[vnx205]

Why is everyone talking about leadership?

The article isn't about leadership.

The research casts doubt on a commonly held notion about the effect of positive team mood.

[rick130]

Why is everyone talking about leadership?

The article isn't about leadership.

The research casts doubt on a commonly held notion about the effect of positive team mood.

Or as another good friend of mine who's a very clever Psych says, positive thinking is a crock of **** !

[Blknight.aus]

Why is everyone talking about leadership?

The article isn't about leadership.

The research casts doubt on a commonly held notion about the effect of positive team mood.


Because good team work comes from good leadership which means knowing which particular leadership trait you need to apply to achieve the best work from your groups particular dynamic realizing that there is no one fixed application of leadership technique that will work and you may have to change technique mid stride due to the fluidity of the situation as team members personal situation, the task and environmental factors change.

I personally am not a good leader but I can provide the illusion of it by forcing the circumstance and team selection to avoid conditions that are less suited to my leadership style. If I were a good leader, I wouldnt need to change the dynamic to suit me, I'd be able to adjust to the dynamic.

But lets be fair here, my leadership techinque is one of "I'm no leader, I do what has to be done, sometimes people follow me"

[p38arover]

In one experiment, groups had to make a team decision where they were faced with a hypothetical survival situation involving a plane crash-landing in a wilderness area.

Each group had to rank 12 items ? including a compass, hand axe, newspapers, ball of steel wool, cigarette lighter, loaded pistol, piece of canvas, chocolate bar and a bottle of whiskey ? for their importance in surviving that scenario.

So how did you rank them? I'm no prepper nor survival expert. I've not been in the Army so have not done any survival courses.

There are only 9 items listed so....

1. cigarette lighter (need to keep warm and/or make a signal fire)
2. Axe (cut wood or aluminium)
3. Canvas for a shelter (assuming it's big enough)
4. Steel wool (polish a bit of aircraft aluminium skin to make a signalling mirror?)
5. Newspaper (burn or blanket?)
6. Compass (will you know where you are and in which direction to go?)
7.
8.
9.
10. Whiskey (antiseptic? Or can it burn?)
11. Chocolate (what's life without chocolate?)
12. Pistol (to shoot another off the plane for food - you're unlikely to kill an animal with it!)

[Blknight.aus]

So how did you rank them? I'm no prepper not survival expert. I've not been in the Army so have not done any survival courses.

There are only 9 items listed so....

1. cigarette lighter (need to keep warm and/or make a signal fire)
2. Axe (cut wood or aluminium)
3. Canvas for a shelter (assuming it's big enough)
4. Steel wool (polish a bit of aircraft aluminium skin to make a signalling mirror?)
5. Newspaper (burn or blanket?)
6. Compass (will you know where you are and in which direction to go?)
7.
8.
9.
10. Whiskey (antiseptic? Or can it burn?)
11. Chocolate (what's life without chocolate?)
12. Pistol (to shoot another off the plane for food - you're unlikely to kill an animal with it!)

Its a trick question.

In a survival situation everything becomes an asset only limitied by your ability to make the best use of it.

[vnx205]

If I remember correctly, having done exactly that exercise about 40 years ago, the order is of no real importance.

The point of the exercise is not about getting the items in the right order. It is about analysing the way the group tries to come to some agreement about the order in which the objects should be placed.

Doing the exercise by yourself defeats the purpose for which the exercise is usually used.

[vnx205]

Or as another good friend of mine who's a very clever Psych says, positive thinking is a crock of **** !

His comment is also relevant to the effect of positive thinking on cancer survival rates. There are all sorts of other reasons why it might be a good idea to maintain a positive attitude, but improving your survival chances is definitely not one of them.


Cancer survival not linked to a positive attitude, study finds (http://www.apa.org/monitor/jan08/cancer.aspx)
In the large-scale study conducted over nine years, Coyne and colleagues used baseline quality-of-life questionnaires to assess the well-being of 1,093 cancer patients. All participants were involved in clinical trials, which ensured uniformity of treatment and ruled out substantial health disparities in the sample. During the study, 646 patients died, and the research team found no relationship between their emotional well-being and cancer progression and death

[vnx205]

Dave, I agree with what you have said about leadership styles, but it seemed to me that people were completely ignoring the primary focus of the research and the article.

[cafe latte]

It is amazing what people actually do get paid to do..Years ago during my masters degree I discovered the meaning of the circular flights in Shags (the sea bird). Doing a project and watching them for a few days it was obvious, bird returns from fishing trip, lands on ledge. Bird at end of said ledge gets pushed off, does a circular flight back to ledge and pushes in. This continues until all birds are happily on ledge. That is it no rocket science yet my observations got followed up with someone doing a phd basically getting paid to look into this!! :eek:
Apart nobody cares why birds do this there must be more important things in the world to spend money on?
Chris

[vnx205]

I'm not convinced that this research was pointless.

There are a lot of people who seem to believe that a happy team is a productive team.

There are a lot of people who make a lot of money taking people through exercises that are supposed to create team harmony.

There are a lot of executives who spend good money sending employees on team building courses.

Why is it a waste of time to do some research that reveals that it might be a waste of time and money to send a group of employees to one of these team building exercises?

If it is so bleeding obvious that it is a waste of time, why do so many captains of industry pay so much money for their employees to attend these course?

Surely there is good reason to do research that shows that the money and effort might be better spent on other things!

[Eevo]

There are a lot of people who seem to believe that a happy team is a productive team.


an unhappy team does not mean a productive team.

a happy team is more likely to stay in their job, which reduces costs.

[Chenz]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/565.jpg

I recently moved from a job where the team environment was toxic to the point where I had to put a great deal of effort in to go in to work. I left and now work in an organisation where people smile, interact in a positive manner and the difference in the output from the two organisations is staggering.

IMHO I would much rather work with positive smiling people than doomsayers and narcissists.

[Blknight.aus]

wait till you have to deal with an organisation that is happy yet incompetent...

and they think you should be happy with the outcome just because they're happy.

I mean I guess I should be thankful that my test came back negative for ovarian cancer and my papsmear shows clear but
a, I could have told you that
b, that does nothing to answer the question about whats going on with the thing in my lung and where my results are from the last time I came in and you were going to look for them.

[vnx205]

Eevo and Chenz, what you are saying is quite correct.

However, in a way the fact that you are saying it and the fact that is is true is evidence that this research needed to be done and was not pointless or a waste of money.

[p38arover]

wait till you have to deal with an organisation that is happy yet incompetent....

I have worked for both Telstra and NSW railways.

[Eevo]

I have worked for both Telstra and NSW railways.

I don't know how you can work for telstra and be happy...