Digital drivers license

[Mick_Marsh]

Plan to trial digital drivers' licences in SA is unsafe, expert says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-11/plan-to-trial-digital-drivers-licences-in-sa-is-unsafe/7080684)


Does this mean it is no longer an offence to not have your drivers license with you when driving a car?
What happens if you don't have a smart phone?
What happens if you don't have a mobile phone?

[sam_d]

I know it might sound like I'm being slightly paranoid given that Google/Microsoft/Apple have so much access to you information already but I don't think I'd be be happy with having a government app on my phone.

It's only a small step to go from it being a 'convenient' way to hold your licence information to your phone being turned into a government tracking device you've had the privilege to pay for.

How long would it be before the app also required permissions to see where you are, what websites you've visited, who you've called and sent texts to before it can be installed? And if you refused those permissions and refused to install the app, would it mean you no longer have a licence?

Anyway, those are my thoughts. Now, where's me tinfoil hat?

[Aaron IIA]

It never was an offence to not carry your car driver's licence when driving a car in South Australia.

Aaron

[Mick_Marsh]

It never was an offence to not carry your car drivers' licence when driving a car in South Australia.

Aaron
That's interesting. Last I knew, it was in Victoria.
Is it in NSW?

[sam_d]

That's interesting. Last I knew, it was in Victoria.
Is it in NSW?

In NSW you need to carry your licence with you when you're driving.

The one and only time I was stopped at an RBT was the time I'd also forgotten my wallet (and licence).

The cop who stopped me let me off not having my licence as I only lived a couple of kilometers away and I was a man with a beard driving a Defender so I mustn't have fitted the profile of an unlicenced driver.

It was lucky I was stopped as I was just about to head off for an extended holiday.

[Eevo]

Don't need to carry licence in SA for a car. I'm told if driving a truck must carry licence when driving

[JDNSW]

Several years ago one of my neighbours was booked for not carrying his licence - he was travelling 100m between paddocks, not even on the carriageway of the road. I think he may have displayed some 'attitude' to the policeman. In telling the tale, he noted that after the fuss about the licence, the cop failed to notice his trailer was unregistered.

John

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I'm waiting for the day we all have to present to the Centrelink Office for the implant of our smart microchip. Then all the Police have to do is have scanners which will pop your details on the ANPR screen, your head will go beep when you go through the motorway Toll Point and through the register at Wollies! :o

On John's issue, a workmate in one of the ED's where I was employed had a family grazing property in the upper Hunter. One afternoon he drove down one of the paddocks and across a gravel track/road continuing up to the homestead. A Highway Patrol car then followed him up to the house wanting to book him for speeding. That was until Darren informed him that the road the officer was patrolling was only a right of way through Darren's farm, so in fact he hadn't actually left his own property even when he crossed the road.

[Stuck]

$106 and 2 points for not producing it in NSW. The one that shocked me was $531 for driving / riding with a licence that's out of date by less than 2 years.

[BMKal]

No requirement to carry licence in WA either, unless you're on L's or P's. :D

If you carry your digital drivers licence on your mobile phone, I wonder if that means they can link it to the GPS on your phone and book you for speeding. :eek:

[digger]

In South Australia you're not required to carry your drivers license if you have a standard car license or a motorbike class license but if you're on Ls or Ps or driving anything else e.g. truck whether a bit light or heavy You are required to carry and present your photographic license when requested

In South Australia the back of the license states must be carried when driving but in South Australia this is not enforced for car or motorbike licenses other than as above

[NavyDiver]

Plan to trial digital drivers' licences in SA is unsafe, expert says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-11/plan-to-trial-digital-drivers-licences-in-sa-is-unsafe/7080684)

What happens if you don't have a smart phone?
What happens if you don't have a mobile phone?

I sort of like the idea IF it was one items rather than a drivers licence, Boat licence, Bang stick, hunting permit, fishing........................................... ............................. that stuff my wallet to make me look like a millionaire but make me a pauper paying for each state governments inept systems.

Like all smart things I like it as an option to the only option:D

[Aaron IIA]

In South Australia the back of the license states must be carried when driving but in South Australia this is not enforced for car or motorbike licenses other than as above

The front of my SA driver's licence states "please carry licence when driving". This would indicate a request rather than an obligation. Do heavy vehicle licences state otherwise, or do I have an old licence?

Aaron

[bee utey]

The front of my SA driver's licence states "please carry licence when driving". This would indicate a request rather than an obligation. Do heavy vehicle licences state otherwise, or do I have an old licence?

Aaron
Mine says "Must be carried when driving heavy vehicles".

[Tombie]

I know it might sound like I'm being slightly paranoid given that Google/Microsoft/Apple have so much access to you information already but I don't think I'd be be happy with having a government app on my phone.

It's only a small step to go from it being a 'convenient' way to hold your licence information to your phone being turned into a government tracking device you've had the privilege to pay for.

How long would it be before the app also required permissions to see where you are, what websites you've visited, who you've called and sent texts to before it can be installed? And if you refused those permissions and refused to install the app, would it mean you no longer have a licence?

Anyway, those are my thoughts. Now, where's me tinfoil hat?

You're already tracked by your phone....

And google, your Bank etc...

People consider privacy a freedom, but like anything - no-one gives a rats arse about people going about boring daily stuff...

People feel a lot stronger about not being mugged, raped, murdered etc... Some things are a compromise.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

You're already tracked by your phone....

And google, your Bank etc...

People consider privacy a freedom, but like anything - no-one gives a rats arse about people going about boring daily stuff...

People feel a lot stronger about not being mugged, raped, murdered etc... Some things are a compromise.I've been mugged and raped but not murdered and I still feel my privacy is being invaded by tracking cookies.

It's why I have the GPS and location functions turned off on my phone (even though I know I can be tracked by tower handshakes) and also why I don't have the eHealth info enabled with my Mediscare account.

I withdraw cash and purchase my groceries with it and I don't have the flybuys card.

Yes I am a dinosaur.

[Tombie]

I've been mugged and raped but not murdered and I still feel my privacy is being invaded by tracking cookies.

It's why I have the GPS and location functions turned off on my phone (even though I know I can be tracked by tower handshakes) and also why I don't have the eHealth info enabled with my Mediscare account.

I withdraw cash and purchase my groceries with it and I don't have the flybuys card.

Yes I am a dinosaur.

No, you're unnecessarily paranoid ;)

[NavyDiver]

You're already tracked by your phone....

And google, your Bank etc...

People consider privacy a freedom, but like anything - no-one gives a rats arse about people going about boring daily stuff...

People feel a lot stronger about not being mugged, raped, murdered etc... Some things are a compromise.
Agree. its a bit like the opposition to the "Australia Card" 1985-1987 which when dumped gave us Tax file numbers used by tax, banks, employers and financial institutions, Medicare Cards used by GPs but not hospitals, URN or Unique Record Number used by individual hospitals but not shared between any hospital, Driver's license numbers, Boat Licence which is the same number as the drivers licence but on another card, Firearms Licences. Doh
Don't give your TFN and 50% withholding is a kicker Ditto for ABN,

I wish Hawke had the gonads to push the Australia Card through. The privacy arguments against it has seen our details held and spread widely and at a much higher likely hood of misuse IMO.

I wonder what number ASIO uses for you :twisted:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Agree. its a bit like the opposition to the "Australia Card" 1985-1987 which when dumped gave us Tax file numbers used by tax, banks, employers and financial institutions, Medicare Cards used by GPs but not hospitals, URN or Unique Record Number used by individual hospitals but not shared between any hospital, Driver's license numbers, Boat Licence which is the same number as the drivers licence but on another card, Firearms Licences. Doh
Don't give your TFN and 50% withholding is a kicker Ditto for ABN,

I wish Hawke had the gonads to push the Australia Card through. The privacy arguments against it has seen our details held and spread widely and at a much higher likely hood of misuse IMO.

I wonder what number ASIO uses for you :twisted:Actually Medicare numbers are required by public hospitals otherwise you are registered as Medicare Ineligible and will receive a fee for services. URN's or at least the originating MRN are shared between hospitals within an Area Health Service/Local Health District and if multiple MRN exist they are now all linked to each other. e.g. my Sydney Hospital, St George Hospital and Shoalhaven District Hospital MRN are all linked to my Prince of Wales Hospital MRN and my Sydney Children's Hospital Staff Health MRN

[Lotz-A-Landies]

No, you're unnecessarily paranoid ;)Not paranoid, I just don't share the philosophy that my purchasing and travel habits are available for resale to marketing companies.

[NavyDiver]

Actually Medicare numbers are required by public hospitals otherwise you are registered as Medicare Ineligible and will receive a fee for services. URN's or at least the originating MRN are shared between hospitals within an Area Health Service/Local Health District and if multiple MRN exist they are now all linked to each other. e.g. my Sydney Hospital, St George Hospital and Shoalhaven District Hospital MRN are all linked to my Prince of Wales Hospital MRN and my Sydney Children's Hospital Staff Health MRN

Medicare numbers are only taken by hospitals incase any service they can bill Medicare for ( federal) to offset State governments funding for Public Hospitals.For example one of the hospital doctors provides a service not what the hospital provided.
Glad to hear it Might be more sensible in NSW with hospitals the MRN number rather than the Victorian U.R.N. :D

[Rextheute]

My spending habits are so random ....the algorithm to dissect them will explode !

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Medicare numbers are only taken by hospitals incase any service they can bill Medicare for ( federal) to offset State governments funding for Public Hospitals.For example one of the hospital doctors provides a service not what the hospital provided.
Glad to hear it Might be more sensible in NSW with hospitals the MRN number rather than the Victorian U.R.N. :DAs I said, the Medicare number is taken to confirm the patient is Medicare eligible, we had a case where a child was in the ICU with a recorded Medicare number. Then a patient presented to the ED with the exact same Medicare number. It turned out the child in the ICU was the ineligible patient and was using his cousin's number. The mother then had to arrange a repayment plan to cover the expenses incurred (with a significant discount because of the exceptional circumstances) and yes it can also be used to recover chargeable items from Medicare.

On the URN, NSW planned to introduce the URN but encountered significant resistance, however as Health Areas are essentially one entity on multiple sites with the patient record information stored electronically the information is available across multiple sites. e.g. digital medical imaging recorded in Nowra or Wollongong are frequently read by specialists located in Kogarah.

[Tombie]

Not paranoid, I just don't share the philosophy that my purchasing and travel habits are available for resale to marketing companies.


Now we're talking public domain as opposed to departmental / governing bodies...

Agree private info on travel etc is not for marketing.

[cjc_td5]

Given that you can be fined for even touching a mobile phone whilst driving, if you are pulled over and asked to show your licence, you could then be pinged if you do not select Park or turn off your engine etc??

Sent from my SM-G920I using AULRO mobile app

[Eevo]

Given that you can be fined for even touching a mobile phone whilst driving, if you are pulled over and asked to show your licence, you could then be pinged if you do not select Park or turn off your engine etc??

Sent from my SM-G920I using AULRO mobile app

i was thinking the same thing.


in nsw a guy didnt have his licence on his, but he lived a block away.
the cop kindly allowed him to walk home to get it.
the guy came back and had a parking fine from the police.

[V8Ian]

You can touch the phone as long as it's attached to the vehicle???

[Eevo]

You can touch the phone as long as it's attached to the vehicle???

one touch to answer a call.

you cant text even if its in an approved holder