Sy Klone Sizing

[Corris110]

Hi All, I am in the process of placing an order for so a Sy Klone head for a safari snorkel. I have noticed a few guys on here have the Sy Klone and wanted to know sizing and fitting dimensions etc. The supplier has calculated my requirements and said the inlet size to the Sy Klone is 5'' and needs a 2'' reducer to suit a 3''mm safari? Could anyone shed any light on the situation as the Sy Klone head seems to be a touch oversized??

[noyakfat]

Send a PM to member Nugget on the forum. He is a super-duper fabricator and has developed (amongst many other practical things) an adaptor that allows the SyKlone head to fit the Safari body. I have one of his adaptors fitted to Agnes and it is rock solid.

If I had more than two thumbs up, they'd all be up for Nugget.

Cheers,

[Corris110]

Send a PM to member Nugget on the forum. He is a super-duper fabricator and has developed (amongst many other practical things) an adaptor that allows the SyKlone head to fit the Safari body. I have one of his adaptors fitted to Agnes and it is rock solid.

If I had more than two thumbs up, they'd all be up for Nugget.

Cheers,


Yeah I would certainly be buying his part. But this is an extension to raise the head above the car body. In most photos I have seen of defenders with Sy Klones, the inlet for the head is a similar size to the safari snorkel. But the supplier indicated I would need a 2" reducer on the Sy Klone to suit the smaller safari unit? Has anyone installed a Sy Klone on a 2.2 Puma and can measure dimensions?

[steveG]

I don't have any experience with the Sy Klone, but if you're specifically looking for dust separation be careful about going for too big a size.

I run a Donaldson pre-cleaner (one of the round clear bowl types). I sized it up according to engine max air consumption and ended up with the 300mm bowl (I think!!) and a 75mm inlet. I did a trip to Cape York a few years back with a mate who had a smaller Donaldson, but same 75mm inlet.
He ended up with much more dust in the bowl than I did on any given leg. Identical engines and gearing so assuming he wasn't traveling constantly in someones else's dust I'm guessing that because we were just cruising mine didn't have enough airflow to create the air velocity for efficient dust separation.
Yes, a smaller unit will create more of a restriction. In my case I run the pre-filter in dusty conditions, and just a normal snorkel head otherwise.

Food for thought if nothing else :)

Steve

[Bushie]

I have a sy-klone fitted to my 300Tdi, and cant see any reason why you would need anything bigger for the 2.2.
Sizing came direct from Sy-klone in Brisbane, over the phone, coupled with the adaptor from Nuggetstuff it's pretty neat.
Unfortunately I can't lay my hands on the receipt to give you the model #

Found receipt it's a 4 inch Sy-klone series 9001R precleaner for 275-350cfm

Ordered from LSM Technologies 07 37258100

Dimensions are here (http://www.lsmtechnologies.com.au/item.cfm?category_id=1992&site_id=14)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/529.jpg


Martyn

[Corris110]

I have a sy-klone fitted to my 300Tdi, and cant see any reason why you would need anything bigger for the 2.2.
Sizing came direct from Sy-klone in Brisbane, over the phone, coupled with the adaptor from Nuggetstuff it's pretty neat.
Unfortunately I can't lay my hands on the receipt to give you the model #

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/529.jpg


Martyn


Thanks Martyn, I think I will just give them a call instead of emailing. Your Sy Klone unit definitely does not appear to be 5'' !

[Bushie]

Post above edited with details


Martyn

[noyakfat]

Hi again,

I looked back over my records. Mine is a "9001" model pre-cleaner. The following text comes straight from my invoice from LSM Industries:

"4-inch Sy-Klone Series 9000 Precleaner for 100 to 275 CFM"

I have a 2014 110 Wagon, with the 2.2 TDCI.

Back when I bought my SyKlone it was $284.90 including GST.

Company details are as follows:

LSM Technologies Pty Ltd
ABN: 41 944 773 938
Ph: +61 (0)7 37258100 / Fx +61 (0)7 37258199 16 Bluestone Circuit
Seventeen Mile Rocks QLD 4073
Australia

I spoke to Peter Woodford. Very helpful fellow.

Hope this helps.

[Corris110]

Hi again,

I looked back over my records. Mine is a "9001" model pre-cleaner. The following text comes straight from my invoice from LSM Industries:

"4-inch Sy-Klone Series 9000 Precleaner for 100 to 275 CFM"

I have a 2014 110 Wagon, with the 2.2 TDCI.

Back when I bought my SyKlone it was $284.90 including GST.

Company details are as follows:

LSM Technologies Pty Ltd
ABN: 41 944 773 938
Ph: +61 (0)7 37258100 / Fx +61 (0)7 37258199 16 Bluestone Circuit
Seventeen Mile Rocks QLD 4073
Australia

I spoke to Peter Woodford. Very helpful fellow.

Hope this helps.

Thanks Martyn, hopefully that clarifies everything. I also have a 110 wagon 2015. So not sure where the variance comes from seeing yours was only a year ago unless I filled out his data sheet wrong? Hah.... I will call him with your info at hand. Cheers

[ian4002000]

I just ordered a Donaldson Top Spin precleaner , it will be interesting to see how it goes, the Donaldson seems to have a larger flow range than the Sy Klone.
I would also recommend the Sy Klone 9001R as it is the slightly larger flow than the 9001 SyKlone but I have no idea if anyone has had any flow problems with either size.
I suppose if the fuel economy changed or if the exhaust was very black may be an indication.....
Ian
Bittern

[lebanon]

Interesting thread, as I have installed a spin cleaner on top of the raised air intake.


After reading technical information on the thread I am wondering on how to calculate the engine CFM need?

Could it be that the spin cleaner is restricting the air flow to my 4.2 V8?

[RVR110]

I have one that I use on my 2.2 Puma that is fitted to a safari snorkel. The part number is 9001R-SYK (4-inch Sy-Klone Series 9000 Precleaner for 275 CFM to 350 CFM). The supplier is LSM technologies in Brisbane. Ph 07 3277 6233.

I can't remember if I used it or not, but I also bought a 40R323-SYK (4 inch to 3.73 inch rubber reducing insert) on that same order. I have a rubber sleeve that fits inside the pre-cleaner to make it fit on the Safari shaft - I just can't recall if it is the 40R323-SYK or something else.

You need to be aware that when fitted to a Safari Snorkel the Sy-Klone will probably (but not definitely) interfere with or vibrate against the front corner of the roof gutter. If you have this problem then you will need to source and fit an extension piece like the one you can see fitted in Bushie's photo.

My TDI has one permanently fitted however I only fit the one on my Puma when I'm expecting to be in very dusty environments (ie outback touring). Personally, I probably wouldn't bother if I were to do it all over again.

Here's a photo of it on my 2011 (2.4) Defender, but I also use it on my 2013 (2.2) Defender. As you can see from the photo, I was able to fit it without an extension piece, but I did have a rubber pad fitted snugly between the Sy-Klone and the gutter to prevent it from vibrating against the gutter.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/511.jpg

[lebanon]

Interesting thread, as I have installed a spin cleaner on top of the raised air intake.


After reading technical information on the thread I am wondering on how to calculate the engine CFM need?

Could it be that the spin cleaner is restricting the air flow to my 4.2 V8?

Any help please?

[steveG]

Any help please?

Try this airflow calculator: Air flow (CFM) | Widman International (http://www.widman.biz/English/Calculators/CFM.html)

Steve

[Baytown]

So fellas, greatthread full of useful ordering info.
Ta.
How has the Sy Klone gone on 2.2 Pumas re intake? Any noticeable loss of power due to restriction?
Im seriously looking at buying one with Nuggets adaptor kit. Only to be used on long dusty trips.
Thanks.
Ken

[123rover50]

I dont have a snorkle yet but may make one.
Why is the air intake for the 2ootdi only 3 inches when your snorkles intake for this pre cleaner is 4 inches?
Would not the size be governed by the hole into the aircleaner?
If its only 3 inch diameter why make the snorkle that much bigger.?
OK there may be a friction element of restriction in the snorkle length so go a bit bigger but that seems a lot.
Just trying to decide how big a tube to use for the snorkle.

Keith

[Don 130]

For what it's worth, I've got Donaldson pre cleaner fitted to the Safari snorkel on my 300 TDI. The sizing was done by the bloke from Donaldson and is the smaller of the two sizes they offer. Capacity is 5 M³. (about ∅200mm)The adapter was provided at the time. Don't remember the price, it was a long time ago.

http://donaldsontoolbox.com.au/files/3913/9440/9836/F110027_Engine_Intake_Systems_03-13-Intake_Accessories.pdf

Don.

[Baytown]

I went to purchase my Sy Klone today from Peter, at the Brisbane retailer.
Really nice bloke, and was going to get the standard 9001R BUT, my Puma has an Alive 150hp remap, Decat and uprated intercooler, so, there we stalled.
Ive liased with Wayne from Nugget Stuff today, as he's looking at an intercooler mod as well on his beautiful 130.
So, will advise what the two bigger brains than mine come up with re which unit for modified Pumas.
Watch this space.
Ken

[ninetubes]

I went to purchase my Sy Klone today from Peter, at the Brisbane retailer.
Really nice bloke, and was going to get the standard 9001R BUT, my Puma has an Alive 150hp remap, Decat and uprated intercooler, so, there we stalled.
Ive liased with Wayne from Nugget Stuff today, as he's looking at an intercooler mod as well on his beautiful 130.
So, will advise what the two bigger brains than mine come up with re which unit for modified Pumas.
Watch this space.
Ken

Hi Ken,
Where did you get to on this?