I have my own private crime wave

[PAT303]

So a couple of months back I'm sitting in my recliner reading a book when I notice someone breaking into my Tdi parked in my drive way not 20 feet away,I gave chase and ended up tripping up in the dark and removing a fair chunk of skin off my left leg,a few weeks later while parked on the lawn not 10 feet from my bedroom I got up to find the doors open and the interior ransacked,a few more weeks later Tracey and I returned from our regular beach walk to find the drivers window smashed and our wallets stolen and the interior ransacked,just to top it all off we have just come home from Sandy Cape where we had our campsite raided resulting in a few grands worth of our gear being stolen including our mates new Engel.Our WA Police commissioner was on the news and when asked about crime he said we are to blame,we make it too easy for criminals to break in and steal and we don't take enough precautions to limit criminal activity,I'd like to know what he's doing to stop crime seeing thats his job,not a lot from what I have seen as the only time I see the Police is when they are sitting just inside an 80 to a 60 zone with a radar gun. Pat

[loanrangie]

Wow, that is just crap. I would consider moving if it happened to me.

[Eevo]

ouch.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Me thinks things will only improve when the Police get radar guns that can detect burglars and thieves while they sit in the station doing paper work. :mad:

[D2lee]

"Our WA Police commissioner was on the news and when asked about crime he said we are to blame,we make it too easy for criminals to break in and steal and we don't take enough precautions to limit criminal activity"


I thought it was the police's responsibility to limit criminal activity, but seemingly not.


I guess when someone gets raped walking home from the train station at night after a long day at work, it's their fault too. :twisted:


Just make sure that when you take "actions" to limit criminal activity, that you don't injure the criminal, because the police will definitely take an interest in that!:censored:

[Eevo]

i have mixed feelings. rightly or wrongly the police are largely useless.

you have been robbed at home 3 times in a few months.
what have you done to stop it being a fourth time?

[AllTerr]

I'd be getting a dog....

[Ausfree]

I'd be getting a dog....

A big one with sharp teeth and a nasty temper!!!

[mekon76]

I'd be donning the ghillie suit and grabbing the rifle, water, popping an imodium and laying in wait for days if need be and take my shot, job done. Dispose of body. Cops probably not that interested in that either.

[Disco Muppet]

Cops can only do so much, all while half the rest of the population wants them at their own personal crisis. Besides, it's the courts that just let people out again because otherwise they might get offended.
However that's a shocking string of bad luck. I'd be going for the ghillie suit and rifle option, bury them in the hills and tell no-one :twisted:

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[rick130]

Bloody hell Pat, that's crap. :(
Maybe it's time to move back east ?

[Disco-tastic]

I'd look at fitting one of those flame thrower systems they apparently have in south Africa and Brazil to stop carjacking. I doubt they'd come back after that :D

Something like this https://youtu.be/fDrzMGdYWZc

Cheers

Dan

[PAT303]

i have mixed feelings. rightly or wrongly the police are largely useless.

you have been robbed at home 3 times in a few months.
what have you done to stop it being a fourth time?

What can I do?,if I take action I'll be charged,short of fitting a motion detecting light to scare them off I can do bugger all. Pat

[PAT303]

I'd be donning the ghillie suit and grabbing the rifle, water, popping an imodium and laying in wait for days if need be and take my shot, job done. Dispose of body. Cops probably not that interested in that either.

Love to,really would,we've worked for everything we have and are getting it taken away by people who could not give a damn. Pat

[PAT303]

Bloody hell Pat, that's crap. :(
Maybe it's time to move back east ?

We really like the west Rick,except for the low life. Pat

[DiscoMick]

Put in a camera so you can give the cops a face to chase. They're pretty cheap now.

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[67hardtop]

Put in a camera so you can give the cops a face to chase. They're pretty cheap now.

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Friend of mine went away for a couple days with the knowlege that there were 4 security cameras recording the home and front driveway area . While they were away a person approached the house and attempted to break in. He was unsuccessful however he removed the house numbers and damaged the mailbox. Upon return and reviewing the footage they called the police informing them of what happened and that they had clear footage of said perpetrator. The police said they were not coming out as there wasnt significant loss of property and then they gave them a report number. And them said " if ur in the area drop off a copy of the footage if u want". I thought it was bloody disgusting of the coppers. Cant b bothered to do their job.

Rant over.

Cheers Rod

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[Lotz-A-Landies]

It used to be the case that they wouldn't investigate cases of fraud unless it was over $20,000. Probably over a $100,000 by now, yet they are happy to arrest the mentally ill if they steal a chocolate bar from a shop, or someone with a $20 bag of weed.

Not that I agree with smoking weed.

[Chenz]

I know the cops have a tough job but we had a park at the last place I worked which was constantly vandalised, people being hassled as they walked through, bottles being broken, the workman's shed broken into and equipment stolen or wrecked.

The cops asked if we could put a boom gate in with a swipe card reader as they are not allowed to get out of the car and walk around at night.

I suggested a dohnut stand be put in the park. That may get them in there:angel:

[Homestar]

I've got cameras out the front of my place. Had 1 item stolen - checked the video, wandered across the road and told the young bloke there if he put it back I wouldn't send the video to the Police. It came back and nothing else has gone since. :D

[DoubleChevron]

I figure your lucky if you DON'T catch them .... Police will do sweet FA if you get burgled ..... Beat the living **** out them ....... and they'll be there in a heartbeat so they can listen to how the poor (likely armed .. but not with firearms) group of young guys were attacked by a crazy person for no reason while they were helping themselves to the sheds contents :wasntme: :o

I figure the last thing I'll ever do is ring the police if I catch people breaking into my place (just like last time). They sure as hell don't come back for a second attempt 'cos they think the house owner is a bloody phsyco :woot: :blink: :wacko: :Rolling:

I dunno what the hell to do about all this crap going on lately. earlier this week on the way to work .... through the bush I find a car sitting in the middle of a firetrail .. drivers door open, engine running. I'm not real keen on getting out, but figure I should check no-one is hurt. So I switch the Rangie off, flick the fuel switch to "nothing" .. so it won't run and get out for a look (figuring a group of people could jump out of the bush wanting my car). But it was just left there running .. with a smashed igntion and door lock. I whipped out my multi-tool and found the file in it was big enough to switch it off... So I reported it to the police and kicked the drivers door closed with my shoe so I don't leave any prints anywhere (the cops here in Ballarat seem to print everything). I posted it on the local 4wd facebook and will be damned if I didn't find the owners so drove them out to the car to find the police there printing it.

Following day this ... the other side of town. Really, WTF is going on these days :(

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/3677641/police-hunt-for-men-who-fled-canadian-state-forest/?cs=4170

They were lucky that was cops... If they'd picked most 4wd's like us .... We'd have squished 'em as they climbed out of the cars (well I would have ... I wonder if the crunch .. crunch of low range gears being grabbed would be a giveaway that were about to have some demo derbies about to happen ?).

seeya
Shane L.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

fitting a motion detecting light

Start there,,
lots of different types available,,

[DiscoMick]

Cops are understaffed and overworked so they focus on major crime, which is understandable if you knew even half the crap they have to put up with every day.

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[PAT303]

Cops are understaffed and overworked so they focus on major crime, which is understandable if you knew even half the crap they have to put up with every day.

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Agreed,therefore we should be able to take care of minor crime ourselves ;). Pat

[Gerokent]

Cops are understaffed and overworked so they focus on major crime, which is understandable if you knew even half the crap they have to put up with every day.

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It seems to me the "force" is more focused on solving crime than preventing crime. If the cops can't prevent it, then maybe they should stand back a little and let people protect them selves and their property.

[Tank]

"Our WA Police commissioner was on the news and when asked about crime he said we are to blame,we make it too easy for criminals to break in and steal and we don't take enough precautions to limit criminal activity"


I thought it was the police's responsibility to limit criminal activity, but seemingly not.


I guess when someone gets raped walking home from the train station at night after a long day at work, it's their fault too. :twisted:


Just make sure that when you take "actions" to limit criminal activity, that you don't injure the criminal, because the police will definitely take an interest in that!:censored:
If you walked into a police station to report you just witnessed a person known to you breaking into your car and stealing your property and you knew where this person lived the police would say there is nothing they can do unless they (police) actually catch the person in the act of stealing your property.
If you walked in with a professional quality Video of the crime, shot by the Pope and witnessed by 6 Nuns, they might get off their arses and do something.
Cops are not interested unless you do all of their work for them, Regards Frank.

[PAT303]

We have a multi million dollar Police station in Rockingham Frank,only trouble is it's closed after 4.30 in the afternoon.I had to ring a number,get them to email a form full of questions to fill out and send it back.
Was the vehicle locked?
What was stolen?
On a scale from one to ten how bad is your stab wound?
Is the person stabbing you now. Pat

[Disco Muppet]

If you walked into a police station to report you just witnessed a person known to you breaking into your car and stealing your property and you knew where this person lived the police would say there is nothing they can do unless they (police) actually catch the person in the act of stealing your property.
If you walked in with a professional quality Video of the crime, shot by the Pope and witnessed by 6 Nuns, they might get off their arses and do something.
Cops are not interested unless you do all of their work for them, Regards Frank.

Ever think it might have something to do with your attitude? ;)

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[67hardtop]

And down the pub by 5...

Cheers Rod

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[pop058]

If you walked into a police station to report you just witnessed a person known to you breaking into your car and stealing your property and you knew where this person lived the police would say there is nothing they can do unless they (police) actually catch the person in the act of stealing your property.
If you walked in with a professional quality Video of the crime, shot by the Pope and witnessed by 6 Nuns, they might get off their arses and do something.
Cops are not interested unless you do all of their work for them, Regards Frank.

What a crock :mad:

[Tank]

Ever think it might have something to do with your attitude? ;)

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No, I ****ing would not, Regards frank.

[Tank]

What a crock :mad:
My son was threatened by a thug posing as a member of a major Motorcycle gang, he torched my son's car outside his house in Canberra. Son wasn't home so cops called him and told him to get the car off the road, or else.
These so called cops attended the scene, interviewed none of the neighbours who witnessed the torching, were given a copy of a threatening (to torch car and kill family) text message from this thugs phone and refused to act.
These marvellous protectors of the public's safety, told my son to Call us when they are kicking in the door, we can be there in 3 minutes.
It takes less than 3 minutes to kill a family.
These same cops arrested this ***** when he intentionally crashed his car into a Muslim's car at a Canberra mosque and assaulted the man and his 12 year old son, he threatened to kill this muslim man in front of the cops, he was arrested and let out on bail, he was at this time out on bail for 2 other crimes, and only recently released from goal for serious assault on a police officer.
Now you have 2 in this post who think it is my attitude and a crock, why?, all I can say is these 2 live in a fantasy world, Regards Frank.

[Disco Muppet]

You get good in bad in all walks of life, what happened to your son is unfortunate and unacceptable but it doesn't give you the right to go making wildly inaccurate blanket statements.
You believing something doesn't make it fact.
And you've attracted these comments about your attitude because you clearly have an attitude. You dismiss people who disagree with you as 'living in a fantasy world', maybe if instead you say "well my experience says otherwise" you wouldn't find people getting their hackles up at what you say.
There are police on this forum who I know for a fact are hardworking and honest people who give 100% to their job, so maybe pull your head in a bit :mad:
Other people have experiences that differ to yours, deal with it.
Oh and you realise it's NOT the police that let people out, courts decide that ;)

[Eevo]

You can't just dismiss his experience with the police though.
The police let him down by not doing their job.
The courts never had a chance to let him out as the police never prosecuted.

Some police are hard working, that's not going to change tanks experience and tanks experience is not uncommon.

[Disco Muppet]

I'm not denying his sons experience, nor am I suggesting its acceptable :)

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[Eevo]

Your not denying it, your dismissing it cause you know some hard working cops.
That's not fair on tank and until you've been in his position/situation, I don't think it fair to say he has an attitude problem.

Anyways, we're a bit off topic now. :)

[mekon76]

Curious how your son ran into this individual? Chance encounter (car accident) or associated with him in one form or another? Not casting aspersions just curious. If the later, he needs to quickly become a better judge of character.

If you hang around deadbeats, this sort of stuff happens. If not, and the other by means of random encounter (a lot rarer this way) then that truly sucks. HAving been in a similar situation of threats to kill I can assure you the Police can only act when it appears to be a real and credible liklihood of occuring or they'd be forever chasing up hollow threats made. Sad fact is because of this a small percentage of real threats lots of people aren't able to be adequately protected under AVOs etc when they really should be.

A tough judgement call for a Police officer to make. Often hamstrung by process and procedure.

[TimNZ]

That's pretty crap Pat. Here's to having less grief in the future!

[V8Ian]

From memory, Frank and his son were in the same line of business to the scum, who took exception to competition.

[Tank]

You get good in bad in all walks of life, what happened to your son is unfortunate and unacceptable but it doesn't give you the right to go making wildly inaccurate blanket statements.
You believing something doesn't make it fact.
And you've attracted these comments about your attitude because you clearly have an attitude. You dismiss people who disagree with you as 'living in a fantasy world', maybe if instead you say "well my experience says otherwise" you wouldn't find people getting their hackles up at what you say.
There are police on this forum who I know for a fact are hardworking and honest people who give 100% to their job, so maybe pull your head in a bit :mad:
Other people have experiences that differ to yours, deal with it.
Oh and you realise it's NOT the police that let people out, courts decide that ;)
Well as you are "a know it all", then maybe you can tell me what happened, what gives you the knowledge to totally dismiss the facts, how would you feel if this bastard was after you, how would you feel if your life, family and property were threatened by a known criminal who doesn't think twice about breaking a police officers breast bone.
You would think his (injured Police officer) fellow officers would be keen to get this mongrel back in goal.
We were treated so badly by the Fed cops that even the NSW cops (who finally put this bastard away) said that the ACT cops were a bunch of lazy ******.
So before you shoot your big mouth off, think!, Regards Frank.

[V8Ian]

Frank, whilst I can see your point of view, you can't judge all coppers on the action of one or two; any more than you can lump all >insert group of choice< together, by the behaviour of a few.

[Eevo]

Frank, whilst I can see your point of view, you can't judge all coppers on the action of one or two; any more than you can lump all >insert group of choice< together, by the behaviour of a few.

it works the other way too ian. a few good ones doesnt outweigh the rest.

[Tank]

Curious how your son ran into this individual? Chance encounter (car accident) or associated with him in one form or another? Not casting aspersions just curious. If the later, he needs to quickly become a better judge of character.

If you hang around deadbeats, this sort of stuff happens. If not, and the other by means of random encounter (a lot rarer this way) then that truly sucks. HAving been in a similar situation of threats to kill I can assure you the Police can only act when it appears to be a real and credible liklihood of occuring or they'd be forever chasing up hollow threats made. Sad fact is because of this a small percentage of real threats lots of people aren't able to be adequately protected under AVOs etc when they really should be.

A tough judgement call for a Police officer to make. Often hamstrung by process and procedure.
My son employed him as an offsider in our scrap business, he seemed to be a good worker, unlike the few other offsiders we'd had.
After a few weeks we realised he was stealing from us and using the truck without permission, he was paid off and sacked, we had no idea of his previous criminal activities or record.
We started getting phone and text message threats and on his Face book page, all traceable and provable and offered to the police (fed.) who were not interested.
This thug said he was a member of a major Motorcycle gang in ACT and he was working on their behalf and they wanted our business out of Canberra or they would kill my son and his family, torch my truck and kill me and my missus and burn our house, here on the South coast.
My son approached a member of this motorcycle gang, who he had once worked with and explained what was happening, this fella made some enquiries and found that our tormentor (will refer to him as AH) had nothing to do with their Club nor did they have any problems with our business.
Anyway AH ended up in hospital with some serious injuries and was put on notice.
We moved the business down to my place in Moruya, the threats continued, NSW police became involved and were waiting for him on the steps of the court in ACT when he was released on bail for the assault on the muslim man and his son.
He is now serving goal time in 13 wing in Long Bay Goal according to his Facebook page, which was used to convict him, ****ing idiot.
You say the police can only act when something actually happens (bit late if you're dead), maybe so but in my experiences the police (ACT) refused to even consider evidence that would have led to AH's arrest and their attitude was that AH wasn't a problem, but we were because we asked for help and protection, which they flatly refused, unlike the NSW cops who actually did some investigation and put AH where he belongs. So I suppose "credible" evidence doesn't impress the ACT cops and I should accept that as the norm, Regards frank.

[Tank]

Frank, whilst I can see your point of view, you can't judge all coppers on the action of one or two; any more than you can lump all >insert group of choice< together, by the behaviour of a few.
Mate it is more than one or two, in the ACT police force it is endemic, we encountered dozens of different officers and they ALL had the same mindset, "yeh, come back and see us when they have assaulted you with hard evidence from more than one source".
Yet across the border in NSW, the cops couldn't do enough, even as far as raiding AH's property with the Counter Terrorism Squad where they recovered $140,000 worth of stolen property along with illegal firearms.
So AH had the means and the mind to commit murder and the ACT police did NOTHING, Regards Frank.

[bob10]

Frank, I can't imagine the trauma you and your family have had to put up with, over this scumbag. There was a time I was quite naive, regarding our police force. I had never struck a real bad copper , or had a bad experience with them. Then I read Matthew Condons first book " Three crooked Kings", about pre Fitzgerald Qld.. My god, what an eye opener. Out of that I concluded all that is needed for a corrupt & lazy Police force, is a corrupt & lazy Government. And a naive and apathetic voting public. Have you approached your local Federal Member, and asked for the relevant authority to investigate the ACT police forces' handling of your problem? Failing that, contact Condon, at the Courier Mail, Bowen Hills. He thrives on this type of stuff.

[Tank]

Frank, I can't imagine the trauma you and your family have had to put up with, over this scumbag. There was a time I was quite naive, regarding our police force. I had never struck a real bad copper , or had a bad experience with them. Then I read Matthew Condons first book " Three crooked Kings", about pre Fitzgerald Qld.. My god, what an eye opener. Out of that I concluded all that is needed for a corrupt & lazy Police force, is a corrupt & lazy Government. And a naive and apathetic voting public. Have you approached your local Federal Member, and asked for the relevant authority to investigate the ACT police forces' handling of your problem? Failing that, contact Condon, at the Courier Mail, Bowen Hills. He thrives on this type of stuff.
Bob i have no problem with the NSW police, esp the local command down here, when it seemed we weren't getting anywhere the officer we were talking to suggested we meet the top cop down here. I have nothing but praise for our local and Queanbeyan police, they made the ACT Fed. police look like complacent, ignorant fools that put our lives in danger with their apathy, I hope I never have to deal with them (ACT Police) ever again.
We are happy with the way things have proceeded and I don't believe anything I could do would change the system or attitude of the ACT Fed. Police, it's one big Boy's club. I have a friend who is an ex ACT Fed. copper, it broke his heart and soul, all he ever wanted was to be a good copper.
But because he wouldn't fall into line with the corruption and apathy he was sent to "Coventry" until it became impossible for him to stay. When we told him of our problems (is an ex cop) he was sorry but he could not come up with a single cop (ACT Fed.) that could assist us with our problem, sad indictment of the ACT police, sorry to any who are not as I described, but there are not enough of you to make a difference, regards Frank.

[mekon76]

That's ****ty Frank. Thanks for explaining.

[Disco Muppet]

That's not good, Federal is on my career path :D Maybe I'll skip it...

[bob10]

Bob i have no problem with the NSW police, esp the local command down here, when it seemed we weren't getting anywhere the officer we were talking to suggested we meet the top cop down here. I have nothing but praise for our local and Queanbeyan police, they made the ACT Fed. police look like complacent, ignorant fools that put our lives in danger with their apathy, I hope I never have to deal with them (ACT Police) ever again.
We are happy with the way things have proceeded and I don't believe anything I could do would change the system or attitude of the ACT Fed. Police, it's one big Boy's club. I have a friend who is an ex ACT Fed. copper, it broke his heart and soul, all he ever wanted was to be a good copper.
But because he wouldn't fall into line with the corruption and apathy he was sent to "Coventry" until it became impossible for him to stay. When we told him of our problems (is an ex cop) he was sorry but he could not come up with a single cop (ACT Fed.) that could assist us with our problem, sad indictment of the ACT police, sorry to any who are not as I described, but there are not enough of you to make a difference, regards Frank.

Send a letter to Mr Condon, c/o Courier mail, Bowen hills. Don't turn your back on corruption. It's a cancer, that must be treated, by good citizens.

[bob10]

Up here at the moment, we have a court case in progress. Barbara Mckulkin was murdered, her two daughters raped and strangled, because she knew too much . All to do with corrupt police, here & NSW. Don't let the bastards win.

[rick130]

That's not good, Federal is on my career path :D Maybe I'll skip it...


Biiig difference between uniformed AFP and the other sections Muppet.

One of my best mates is a career AFP Federal Agent (30 years) and he enjoys his work, always been based in Sydney so he's never been in uniform.
He's dead straight and calls a spade a bloody shovel which might explain why he's only ever been promoted once. :D

[p38arover]

From memory, Frank and his son were in the same line of business to the scum, who took exception to competition.

Drug dealing? :eek:

:D

[V8Ian]

Drug dealing? :eek:

:D
:D l thought it was tow trucks but it seems I had a "senior moment". :(

[Tank]

:D l thought it was tow trucks but it seems I had a "senior moment". :(
Ian, you are right, the truck is set up with ramps and a 15,000lb Runva Hydraulic winch which we use to haul recovered vehicles onto the 22' tray, transported a near new Defender and trailer from Batemans bay recently to Mosman in Sydney.
Also use the Disco up on the tray to recover bogged and broken down 4WD's.
Most of the time it is used for scrap cars, we lift them onto the tray with the 5 tonne Hiab crane, get 5 cars stacked on and take them to Nowra for scrap. That part is shut down at the moment as they are only paying $45/tonne and the NSW government takes $35/ tonne of that for their bull**** environment levy, so $10 a tonne doesn't cut it, esp when it costs $25/car in fuel costs, expect to see a lot more dumped cars in the bush, we now charge up to $100/car to take it to our local tip, which is free, so you were mostly right, Regards Frank.

[DoubleChevron]

My son employed him as an offsider in our scrap business, he seemed to be a good worker, unlike the few other offsiders we'd had.
After a few weeks we realised he was stealing from us and using the truck without permission, he was paid off and sacked, we had no idea of his previous criminal activities or record.
We started getting phone and text message threats and on his Face book page, all traceable and provable and offered to the police (fed.) who were not interested.
This thug said he was a member of a major Motorcycle gang in ACT and he was working on their behalf and they wanted our business out of Canberra or they would kill my son and his family, torch my truck and kill me and my missus and burn our house, here on the South coast.
My son approached a member of this motorcycle gang, who he had once worked with and explained what was happening, this fella made some enquiries and found that our tormentor (will refer to him as AH) had nothing to do with their Club nor did they have any problems with our business.
Anyway AH ended up in hospital with some serious injuries and was put on notice.
We moved the business down to my place in Moruya, the threats continued, NSW police became involved and were waiting for him on the steps of the court in ACT when he was released on bail for the assault on the muslim man and his son.
He is now serving goal time in 13 wing in Long Bay Goal according to his Facebook page, which was used to convict him, ****ing idiot.
You say the police can only act when something actually happens (bit late if you're dead), maybe so but in my experiences the police (ACT) refused to even consider evidence that would have led to AH's arrest and their attitude was that AH wasn't a problem, but we were because we asked for help and protection, which they flatly refused, unlike the NSW cops who actually did some investigation and put AH where he belongs. So I suppose "credible" evidence doesn't impress the ACT cops and I should accept that as the norm, Regards frank.

Anyone that threatens my family would be treated in the same manner as any pedophiles that go near them.

On a different topic, there is a LOT of deep mineshafts in the bush around our place. Great things mineshafts. People fall down them all the time.

Police are severely hampered by laws. Imagine spending all day, everyday of your life for years busting you guts to get scum off the street, to see the courts turn around, give them a slap on the back of the hand and throw them back out on the street. How long before you didn't give a **** and couldn't be bothered with it any longer too ?

seeya,
Shane L.

[PAT303]

So it was reported tonight that ice is to blame for the 7 months worth of higher than normal crime Perth is experiencing at the moment,nothing about how they are going to fight it,just playing the blame game. Pat

[bob10]

Police are severely hampered by laws. Imagine spending all day, everyday of your life for years busting you guts to get scum off the street, to see the courts turn around, give them a slap on the back of the hand and throw them back out on the street. How long before you didn't give a **** and couldn't be bothered with it any longer too ?

seeya,
Shane L.

We live under the rule of law. Police are given comprehensive training to bring them up to speed to negotiate the mine field of criminal law, I believe that is the formal description. And, yes, frustration can lead to good men & women straying from their sworn path. However, I have never met a policeman/ women yet who joined the service for the right reasons, go down the road you suggest. At least , not while on duty. Even in the Pre Fitzgerald years , it was only a very few bad eggs who made it bad for all. You seem to suggest we go down the path of anarchy, brother. Not in my lifetime.

[DoubleChevron]

We live under the rule of law. Police are given comprehensive training to bring them up to speed to negotiate the mine field of criminal law, I believe that is the formal description. And, yes, frustration can lead to good men & women straying from their sworn path. However, I have never met a policeman/ women yet who joined the service for the right reasons, go down the road you suggest. At least , not while on duty. Even in the Pre Fitzgerald years , it was only a very few bad eggs who made it bad for all. You seem to suggest we go down the path of anarchy, brother. Not in my lifetime.

I've never had anything against police, they do an impossible job. If somoene is threatening you ... You are wasting your time if you think you will be "rescued" by anyone other than yourself. I've rang the cops when a party of teenage kids got out of control .... They started smashing up the local hall, there was some terrified kids in that hall with the doors locked on glass falling in on them. The cops turned up and hid over the hill.... They weren't going into that environment ... not ever. Not even to rescue the bunch of petrified teenage kids in the hall. I stupidly went over ( well I had our 45kg rottie on a lead with me) and told them to rack off, the police are on the way. They ignored me..... No point threatening to let the dog off the lead, 'cos she's a gentle giant (so long as no-one tries to hurt her family).

Quite a few years back I caught a guy trying to break into my car in the coles/safeway carpark in town. ... would have been about 20 ... about 6' 4" ... much bigger than me in everyway. I yelled out really loud "hey you, I can see you trying to break into my car", to let everyone in the carpark know he was about trying to get into cars... Now this carpark is view of the local police station. 90seconds gentle jog from it infact... And is in plain view of two of the biggest supermarkets in town. Well this hero went off to the public toilets beside coles and came back with 12 others ... and fronted me.

They would have ranged from 15 -> 20years old. There was even a couple of girls in there. Now this hero wanted to fight me. The smaller guy beside him told me he would stab me in the neck if I tried anything..... SO I start walking backward toward Safeway. blocking the punches ... only the big guy was interested in fighting and showing off. If I'd seen a knife Id' have taken as many of them down as quick as I could ( I mean throat punches, smashing knees, anything to give me a chance to turn my back and run ...). I couldn't give a hoot what is legal if me or my family is threatened. It turns out I just blocked a few dozen punches and managed to walk backwards all the way into Safeway at which point they all fled from the cameras.

I learnt several things that day.
1) Situational awareness ... I looked away not even giving a seconds thought the guy was running away to get help (maybe even weapons). These days it wouldn't happen. I'd have eyes in the back of my head.... No way would 13 poeple walk up behind me while I'm unlocking my car.

2) People stand around and watch. You will NOT get help from the public. Don't be one of these people. If you see someone in the ****. Do something. If I'd witnessed this I'd driven my car straight at the groups and tried to run them all down (they would have fled from phsyco person in car ... You don't have to run them down, they only need to think your trying to ... YOur in a car, your not going to get hurt).

3) NEVER wait for the police, there isn't a snowmans chance in hell they will be there to help.

4) YOUR on your own. Don't hold back, forget laws, do whatever is possible to get yourself out of whatever situation you find yourself in safely.

5) It's impossible to run once someone is in your face. Turn your back and you'll just get hit in the back of the head. You need to see trouble about 30seconds before it happens to run.

Yes everyone is safeway wanted to know if I was ok, yes they'd all rang the police. I also rang the police. I waited another 20minutes.... then walked the 90seconds over to the police station and they had no idea anything was happening and didn't really care 'cos I wasn't beaten up.... even if I was I doubt they'd care.

I asked a guy at the beach not to drive like a lunatic through the caravan park last year (nicely, not aggresively) and he and his mate went nuts on me starting punches and screaming at me ...... Once again, I just blocked them and walked backwards through the caravan park until they realised there boats and cars were sitting on the ramps where anyone could take them ..... They then searched the caravan park for over an hour for me. I still don't get it.

bottom line, there is some real nutters out there. If your ever in the ****, forget the police, do ANYTHING you have to in order to get out of the situation. Run and hide if you need to like I did at the caravan park.

seeya,
Shane L.