Adventure Grill for Defender 90

[gcla]

Went into a main dealer in Melbourne to see if i could order and Adventure style grill for my 90(they are crosshatched in style and pretty cool). The spare parts guys say i need to provide a vin number of an Adventure in order for him to order a replacement grill..Anyone on her have an Adventure and want to share their VIN or is there another way to get one of these grilles?

[MR LR]

Buy an adventure ;)

People pay quite a bit for the opportunity. The Adventure parts shouldn't find their way onto normal cars...

[Toxic_Avenger]

Ahhh that old chestnut.
Sounds like you met the gatekeeper. Land Rover's first line of defence.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/214.jpg

[Dervish]

Before this line of questioning goes any further, I've read on the UK forums that the Adventure grille is around 420 pounds...

[p38arover]

Went into a main dealer in Melbourne to see if i could order and Adventure style grill for my

If you want to grill on a Land Rover grille, you need a grille from a Pre-Series III model.

See Land-Rover - The Plastic Radiator Grille Saga (http://www.users.on.net/~rik/lr/rgrille.html)

[Babs]

Try defendernet if you're going to get Pompous replies on here.

News flash for Adventurers your vehicle is exactly the same as every other Defender out there, you just have more makeup on.
Take the makeup off and oops........

Try eBay you will probably find one there

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[DiscoMick]

I don't have a copy handy to check, but I'm pretty sure I've seen a similar grille, I think called the Saudi grille or Middle East grille or something similar, advertised in Land Rover Owner International magazine. You could order direct from the supplier. It was steel or aluminium and had a square pattern.
Thing is, while it would increase airflow, wouldn't it also let in more dust and debris compared with the standard grille, whose plastic sections deflect a lot of that stuff?

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[Dervish]

Thing is, while it would increase airflow, wouldn't it also let in more dust and debris compared with the standard grille, whose plastic sections deflect a lot of that stuff?


I don't know for sure, but I would guess the standard design's plastic slats are more to reduce solar gain i.e. sunlight heating up the radiator/condenser, meaning more heat to get rid of.

[mox]

If you want to grill on a Land Rover grille, you need a grille from a Pre-Series III model.


Or make your own. Probably job a small manufacturer supplier of aftermarket components could take on. Maybe undercut prices of spare part plastic ones while making money supplying a much more durable product Some possible repeat business supplying spare ones for when blackened, rusty where plating has burnt off or maybe slightly warped / flaked mesh from use as camp barbeque does not look respectable enough for general tone of the vehicle.


Plastic grill on my '97 was busted in a couple of places. Such weak plastic rubbish offers very little protection for whatever expensive radiator component is behind it from eg hitting a galah at high speed. Having once owned a late Series 2A which had headlights in guards but still a steel mesh grill, reckoned something similar was appropriate.


While visiting a steel merchant yard for another reason, spotted and bought what I reckon was most appropriate weldmesh to make one. Mesh of 3.15 mm (ie 1/8th inch) wire at 25 mm (not 25.4 mm or 1 inch). Sold only in full sheet of 3 x 2.5 metres. Grill size I have made is 825 x400 mm. Maybe a bit bigger than some would prefer. Extends a bit over grill surrounds piece. Cut and rewelded corner squares to create 45 degree bevels Also cut bit out of top wire to accommodate DEFENDER writing. The bottom goes lower than standard as I have also cut piece out of bottom surround to let more air through. (Probably one of the reasons why I can get away with no shroud and radiator fan stored behind seat in case needed for extreme conditions).


Have cut out a couple of extra grill size pieces for spares. Found other uses for the large remainder. Would have to check what full sheet cost me but probably with in the range of prices possible for a new plastic grill.


For quick installation, standard screws with large panel washers can be used but potential for improvement on this with a bit of work eg welding on bits to line up with screw holes.


Another advantage of this grill is it is flat and offers better support than plastic ones for putting gauze of some sort - even shadecloth in front to reduce problems of grasshoppers and /or other wogs and rubbish clogging radiator core. Have a piece of 6 mesh /inch woven wire on mine. Was originally obtained long ago for another purpose from one of possibly only two manufacturer/ suppliers in Melbourne. For this purpose, reckon much better than eg flywire.

[Dervish]

Plastic grill on my '97 was busted in a couple of places. Such weak plastic rubbish offers very little protection for whatever expensive radiator component is behind it from eg hitting a galah at high speed. Having once owned a late Series 2A which had headlights in guards but still a steel mesh grill, reckoned something similar was appropriate.

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Another advantage of this grill is it is flat and offers better support than plastic ones for putting gauze of some sort - even shadecloth in front to reduce problems of grasshoppers and /or other wogs and rubbish clogging radiator core. Have a piece of 6 mesh /inch woven wire on mine. Was originally obtained long ago for another purpose from one of possibly only two manufacturer/ suppliers in Melbourne. For this purpose, reckon much better than eg flywire.

I was of the same thinking as you, but being evidently significantly more lazy I just found a Stage One grille and had it galvanised. I really hate plastic.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/208.jpg

Got any pictures of yours?

[p38arover]

Grille, grille!

[juddy]

I have some vins PM for one.

I think that was your original question.

[mox]

To Dervish particularly: Need to get mate to take photo of my wire mesh grill and put in on computer. I note you have also had your bull bar galvanised. A possible future improvement for my ARB one after extra little welding improvements I have in mind. My main LR galvanising project (by Furphys at Shepparton) so far has been a dozen Wolf rims plus collection of wheel nuts. For this threads were filled with silastic and wire poked through. A bit tighter fit in 1 1/16" and 27 mm sockets than non galvanised nuts that look grotty when rusted. See you already have what I intend to look for sometime soon. ie Metal headlight surrounds as per late S2A and military. My plastic ones are reduced in size after busted bits cut off.. Also cut holes in them around parker and indicator lights so they can be removed to get at headlight screws much more easily. Something idiot designer obviously didn't think of.


While getting photos organised, need to get a couple of innards of standard transfer box for to complete material for another posting you are one who took interest in. For 6 months /5,000 km I have run an LT230 transfer box with 1.27:! and 4.21:! ratios. (Standard in Defender 300Tdi 1.41 and 3.32) Basically one with 1.003 high out of mid '80's Rangie with Torque Flite. I had a new input gear designed and cut. 22 teeth which drives the 44 tooth high range gear on intermediate cluster - like in a Series transfer box back to front. Standard is 26 tooth input driving 41 tooth middle gear on cluster. Overall improvement for my purposes. Now rarely ever go to change into 5th high when already in it I like slower low first and reverse. Only downside so far is still a sometimes annoying gear whine at high speed. If does not wear in and cure itself need to consider special oil or insulation to try and quieten it.

[Disco Muppet]

I run a mesh grille on my D2 and it runs nice and cool, and I have far fewer bugs and grass seeds in my radiator now, angled shape of the mesh helps.

[rick130]

I don't know for sure, but I would guess the standard design's plastic slats are more to reduce solar gain i.e. sunlight heating up the radiator/condenser, meaning more heat to get rid of.


Naa, it'd be cosmetic, Land Rover wouldn't think that deeply ! :D

[MR LR]

I have some vins PM for one.

I think that was your original question.
Can you PM them to me too, I'll pass it on to Land Rover to let the owners know you are distributing the identity of their vehicles for misuse.

[rick130]

This is mine,

I can't lay claim to the design or original construction, but I cut and brazed the weldmesh to the front of the angle uprights where it was originally welded to the rear.

Undo the wingnuts and the front half folds out so you can sandwich some air conditioning filter media for dirt and seed protection.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[juddy]

Can you PM them to me too, I'll pass it on to Land Rover to let the owners know you are distributing the identity of their vehicles for misuse.

Not a problem. How do you know there not mine? Or a friends, or what ever.

[Babs]

Not a problem. How do you know there not mine? Or a friends, or what ever.

Don't worry, I'm pretty confident that he is poking fun, after all no one can be that much of a Knob❗️

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[Toxic_Avenger]

So by the same reasoning, every manufacturer of aftermarket parts who has modelled a likeness off a genuine LR part, and sold said product cheaper than Land Rover Australia is also guilty of misrepresenting the brand identity?!

The bloke just wants to buy a grille, and if he can get it out of the service department, then all the power to him. The bloke on the service counter just needs to ask the right questions, and the buyer needs to answer them satisfactorily, money exchanges hands, and everyone is happy.
He might ruffle the feathers of the special edition crowd, but that's the risk vs reward the OP would need to consider.

I've bought parts out of an australian dealership using and australian VIN for an import model that they wouldn't honor the VIN number for, even though I had the correct part number for them to order, which was identical between models (the joys of owning a jap import). Realistically, the guy at the computer is trying to check that the part the customer asks for is compatible with the vehicle they say they own.

[juddy]

Don't worry, I'm pretty confident that he is poking fun, after all no one can be that much of a Knob❗️

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Thats what I thought too.

[YOLO110]

Agreed...

And at the end of the day, it would be very easy to just walk past any 'Celebration' edition' Heritage, Adventure or Autobiography, and just simply take a photo of the metal VIN plate that is clearly visible in the front window! ;)

Information sorted.

[Babs]

So by the same reasoning, every manufacturer of aftermarket parts who has modelled a likeness off a genuine LR part, and sold said product cheaper than Land Rover Australia is also guilty of misrepresenting the brand identity?! The bloke just wants to buy a grille, and if he can get it out of the service department, then all the power to him. The bloke on the service counter just needs to ask the right questions, and the buyer needs to answer them satisfactorily, money exchanges hands, and everyone is happy. He might ruffle the feathers of the special edition crowd, but that's the risk vs reward the OP would need to consider. I've bought parts out of an australian dealership using and australian VIN for an import model that they wouldn't honor the VIN number for, even though I had the correct part number for them to order, which was identical between models (the joys of owning a jap import). Realistically, the guy at the computer is trying to check that the part the customer asks for is compatible with the vehicle they say they own.


Agree ✅✅✅

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[Babs]

Agreed... And at the end of the day, it would be very easy to just walk past any 'Celebration' edition' Heritage, Adventure or Autobiography, and just simply take a photo of the metal VIN plate that is clearly visible in the front window! ;) Information sorted.


If you do that I'm going to ring up LR and dob on you. That's not allowed. It's not fair. I think I have LR's phone number somewhere in my hand bag next to my naprogesic. Ha ha ha

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[juddy]

Dober thats so funny a old Yorkshire saying that, You Dober.

Don't they have a Dober hot line at land Rover now. Call 0800 DOBER.

[Babs]

Dober thats so funny a old Yorkshire saying that, You Dober. Don't they have a Dober hot line at land Rover now. Call 0800 DOBER.

Ha ha ha. lol

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[MR LR]

The issue is that it's a limited production run, there'll be no more made, if every man and their dog buys them all up, there'll be none left for when a genuine gets damaged... also it detracts from the exclusivity of owning one of the special editions... I'm sure you guys would moan if someone ripped off something you paid an extra 30k for.

Sure, make a copy of it any day you want, and sell them at a profit, but sneaky **** isn't cool... No different to HSV/FPV.

[MR LR]

Dober thats so funny a old Yorkshire saying that, You Dober.

Don't they have a Dober hot line at land Rover now. Call 0800 DOBER.
It would be much funnier if you knew how to spell ;)

[Toxic_Avenger]

Dude,
there'll always be a P plater with a walkinshaw kit on a VL.
Likewise the HSV bodykit, or other 'special' parts will be used on the vehicles.

If you put a limited edition grille on any other defender, it's still just a special part on an ordinary vehicle.

I don't see why this is such a big deal?

[MR LR]

Dude,
there'll always be a P plater with a walkinshaw kit on a VL.
Likewise the HSV bodykit, or other 'special' parts will be used on the vehicles.

If you put a limited edition grille on any other defender, it's still just a special part on an ordinary vehicle.

I don't see why this is such a big deal?
It's not :p :wasntme:

[juddy]

It would be much funnier if you knew how to spell ;)

We can't spell lad in Yorkshire dint ya no that.

[juddy]

Dude,
there'll always be a P plater with a walkinshaw kit on a VL.
Likewise the HSV bodykit, or other 'special' parts will be used on the vehicles.

If you put a limited edition grille on any other defender, it's still just a special part on an ordinary vehicle.

I don't see why this is such a big deal?

And then theres those new Heritage front badges, on ebay everyone loves them, should they be banned also? I bought one to put on my Jeep is that a crime now.

[Babs]

The issue is that it's a limited production run, there'll be no more made, if every man and their dog buys them all up, there'll be none left for when a genuine gets damaged... also it detracts from the exclusivity of owning one of the special editions... I'm sure you guys would moan if someone ripped off something you paid an extra 30k for. Sure, make a copy of it any day you want, and sell them at a profit, but sneaky **** isn't cool... No different to HSV/FPV.


I disagree with this theory, I think you are way off in your way of thinking.

Don't worry the Adventurer owners won't miss out on their grille because of limited spare parts. Tiff.

He should have the right to put whatever grille he likes on his defender.

So does that mean all the defenders with sawtooth alloys should take them off? Because they're not the real McCoy.

In the nicest possible way, Get a Life!

He was asking for help to purchase a grille, he doesn't need some righteous goody two shoes rant!

But again I'm sure you were just poking fun, right?

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[juddy]

In a year or so all the after market people will have every LTD part you require.

And it does surprise me that you think its out of order to purchase said part direct from land rover, when 80% maybe more land rover owners never buy Genuine parts because they winge at the cost. So this is a win win for customer and Land Rover, Land Rover don't give a toss about who's buying a grille for a Defender on the other side of the world. They are happy that people paid more for the make up on there LTD Defenders.

[Andrew86]

So does that mean all the defenders with sawtooth alloys should take them off? Because they're not the real McCoy.

The Adventure editions come with diamond-turned alloys, not Sawtooths. Watch your tongue, my car is absolutely the real deal :p

I don't have a problem with the OP dressing up his car with an Adventure grille, nor do I think it'll ruffle the feathers of many Adventure owners. Imitation is the highest form of flattery, isn't it?

[Babs]

The Adventure editions come with diamond-turned alloys, not Sawtooths. Watch your tongue, my car is absolutely the real deal :p I don't have a problem with the OP dressing up his car with an Adventure grille, nor do I think it'll ruffle the feathers of many Adventure owners. Imitation is the highest form of flattery, isn't it?

Ha ha ha. lol

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[El Rey]

...Anyone on here have an Adventure and want to share their VIN or is there another way to get one of these grilles?

These guys sell them - and also have the heritage style badges

Defender Heritage / Classic K?hlergrill mattschwarz Jaguar und Land Rover (http://www.mas-style.de/shop/land-rover/defender/defender-heritage-classic-scheinwerferumrandungen-mattschwarz-504.html)

[AlecW]

I don't have a copy handy to check, but I'm pretty sure I've seen a similar grille, I think called the Saudi grille or Middle East grille or something similar, advertised in Land Rover Owner International magazine. You could order direct from the supplier. It was steel or aluminium and had a square pattern.
Thing is, while it would increase airflow, wouldn't it also let in more dust and debris compared with the standard grille, whose plastic sections deflect a lot of that stuff?

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I was looking at Bunnings, they sell slightly rigid mesh fly-screen stuff that you can buy by the meter, wouldnt be too hard to fit and really wouldnt obstruct airflow as it isnt too dense. I was thinking of cutting some to fit using the grille as a template, then fitting it behind it to grab some of the insects that build up in the fins over time.

[AlecW]

Went into a main dealer in Melbourne to see if i could order and Adventure style grill for my 90(they are crosshatched in style and pretty cool). The spare parts guys say i need to provide a vin number of an Adventure in order for him to order a replacement grill..Anyone on her have an Adventure and want to share their VIN or is there another way to get one of these grilles?

Sounds like a job for your local 3D printer! Can design anything you want within reason and get it made to the existing dimensions of your original grille.

You would be surprised what those suckers can do

[Marty90]

These guys sell them - and also have the heritage style badges

Defender Heritage / Classic K?hlergrill mattschwarz Jaguar und Land Rover (http://www.mas-style.de/shop/land-rover/defender/defender-heritage-classic-scheinwerferumrandungen-mattschwarz-504.html)

Interesting website.They also sell the Noldens and heaps of good stuff! Wish I could translate to English. Maybe a good thing that I can't.

[El Rey]

Interesting website.They also sell the Noldens and heaps of good stuff! Wish I could translate to English. Maybe a good thing that I can't.

Use Google Chrome and Google Translate should appear as an option at the top on foreign websites. If not you can install it as an app and it will then appear.

[juddy]

The Adventure editions come with diamond-turned alloys, not Sawtooths. Watch your tongue, my car is absolutely the real deal :p

I don't have a problem with the OP dressing up his car with an Adventure grille, nor do I think it'll ruffle the feathers of many Adventure owners. Imitation is the highest form of flattery, isn't it?

Was Was going to but at set, but at that stupid price even for me maybe not, just wait for the cops.

[jimr1]

This question , is slightly off topic , but in the same vain . I have an old oval Land Rover badge , off a 1959 Series 2. I've fitted on a few vehicle's now . I do like the Land Rover Aluminum badge that has the dates 1948 to 2015 on them . I would think that they would be difficult to get at this stage . Until the aftermarket boys start making the ??.. Jim ...