turning Circle

[jimr1]

Well I finally adjusted the steering on the 110 , Been meaning to do It for quite a while . As It was I had trouble doing U turns on one go . The thing is It didn't take long to do . The turning circle is so much better now . For those that have the same problem . Jack the front up , I also used axle stands , you need a 16mm, and 18mm ring spanner , loosen off the back nuts 16mm then the stop bolts 18mm , on the swivel housing . Adjust them in until the tyres just miss the front arms . Re tighten them up , check they don't rub , Job done !!.. Jim :)

[tonyci]

Seems so simple to do. Makes you wonder why they ship with such a lousy turning circle in the first place.
Cheers
Tony

[RVR110]

Seems so simple to do. Makes you wonder why they ship with such a lousy turning circle in the first place.
Cheers
TonyThe argument against doing that would be that by adjusting the stops and operating the CV joints at more acute angles you are are potentially exposing the CV joints to higher forces than previously or (I haven't checked) operating the CVs past their maximum designed angle. That might be of minimal concern when turning around in a cul-de-sac, but in an off road, low range situation where there might be much higher loads (including shock loads) which could result in premature wear or failure.

[YOLO110]

Do they use different from CV joints on the 110 and 90?

I thought they were the same, in which case, as the 90 has much more steering lock available from the factory, I would not have thought there would be the issue as you describe...

[tact]

From the workshop manual:
1. Measure clearance between tire wall and radius arm at full lock. This must be not less than 20 mm.
2. Loosen stop bolt locknut.
3. Turn stop bolt as required.
4. Tighten locknut.
5. Check clearance between tire wall and radius arm on each lock.

[TeamFA]

If you do any serious off-roading, you might want to check your lock again with some articulation on the front. I adjusted mine so the silly 35x12.5x15 tyres were not touching on full lock, but then tried it again with some articulation off road, and had the mud-biter thingies rubbing on the trailing arms...

[jimr1]

If you do any serious off-roading, you might want to check your lock again with some articulation on the front. I adjusted mine so the silly 35x12.5x15 tyres were not touching on full lock, but then tried it again with some articulation off road, and had the mud-biter thingies rubbing on the trailing arms...
Hi , do you run those size tyres on offset rims ?

[vnx205]

the 90 has much more steering lock available from the factory

Does it or is it just that the same amount of lock gives you a smaller turning circle because of the shorter wheelbase?

[jimr1]

Does it or is it just that the same amount of lock gives you a smaller turning circle because of the shorter wheelbase?
The shorter the wheelbase the smaller the turning circle !!..Jim :)

[rick130]

If you do any serious off-roading, you might want to check your lock again with some articulation on the front. I adjusted mine so the silly 35x12.5x15 tyres were not touching on full lock, but then tried it again with some articulation off road, and had the mud-biter thingies rubbing on the trailing arms...


If your tyres aren't rubbing you're wasting lock IMO. :D

[jimr1]

[QUOTE=rick130;2485655]If your tyres aren't rubbing you're wasting lock IMO. :D
Rick I agree , I try to keep them just off the front R/arms for no other reason than to protect the tyre . I've never had any problems with damage to the C/Vs I suppose like everything the C/Vs have there limits , Maybe full lock trying to get out of a deep rut , even then I've never had one let go !!.. Jim :)

[tact]

[QUOTE=rick130;2485655]If your tyres aren't rubbing you're wasting lock IMO. :D
Rick I agree , I try to keep them just off the front R/arms for no other reason than to protect the tyre . I've never had any problems with damage to the C/Vs I suppose like everything the C/Vs have there limits , Maybe full lock trying to get out of a deep rut , even then I've never had one let go !!.. Jim :)

I had a hilux for 7yrs here in Malaysia before buying the Defender 2.5yrs ago.

I managed to break CVs 4 times, in the jungle, in the "unbreakable" 'lux and resorted to cranking steering lock stops out (less lock) in the end. (Opposite to what you all are discussing).

[TeamFA]

Hi , do you run those size tyres on offset rims ?

I wish I knew...

The rims were on the vehicle when we purchased it, and I haven't spotted any markings on it that say what they are...

Anybody jump in and have an idea of how I can tell? Measuring the wheel's dimensions (ie. centre relative to wheel outer/inner etc) would probably do it...

[robert42]

Hi guys. Please dont complain about your turning radice until you have a 6x6 then it realy come into its own..Its big.. The Disco is great then.The 6b its like turning a aircraft carrier.... But I love it...
Bob...

[Bearman]

You're right there Bob, you really have to have a think about where you are going to do a U turn!!!

[rick130]

[quote=jimr1;2486033]

I had a hilux for 7yrs here in Malaysia before buying the Defender 2.5yrs ago.

I managed to break CVs 4 times, in the jungle, in the "unbreakable" 'lux and resorted to cranking steering lock stops out (less lock) in the end. (Opposite to what you all are discussing).

Yep, if you give it full noise on full lock particularly on rock the CV will probably go bang. :(

That's why people use HD aftermarket CV's like Ashcroft or KAM, or fit anti-burst rings around AEU2522 CV's, or use the old RRC CV's with 10 spline outer stubs and use the stubs as a sacrificial part.

[rick130]

I wish I knew...

The rims were on the vehicle when we purchased it, and I haven't spotted any markings on it that say what they are...

Anybody jump in and have an idea of how I can tell? Measuring the wheel's dimensions (ie. centre relative to wheel outer/inner etc) would probably do it...


Yes, that's all you have to do.
Run a straight edge across the back face of the rim to the mounting face will give you your backspace measurement, and if you either know or can measure the rim width accurately you can work out your offset from that.

[TeamFA]

Yes, that's all you have to do.
Run a straight edge across the back face of the rim to the mounting face will give you your backspace measurement, and if you either know or can measure the rim width accurately you can work out your offset from that.

Right... job for tonight booked in...

[TeamFA]

If your tyres aren't rubbing you're wasting lock IMO. :D

It wouldn't worry me, except that I don't want to rip off any of the "mud biter" lugs off the tyres...

Already have a shiny spot on each trailing arm where they rubbed before I adjusted them back.

[rick130]

It wouldn't worry me, except that I don't want to rip off any of the "mud biter" lugs off the tyres...

Already have a shiny spot on each trailing arm where they rubbed before I adjusted them back.


After one set of Bridgestone MT's in 235/85, two sets of BFG MT's and one set of Maxxis in 255/85 on the standard 6.5" HD rims and now 2/3 of the way through another set of Maxxis Big Horns on 7" rims with 0 offset I haven't hurt any of the tyres from touching the radius arms. ;)

I sounds horrible when they touch but when you drive a 130 with the turning circle of The Queen Mary you look for every bit of extra lock you can get. :D

[deesse]

I've had four 130's & the Puma has the worst turning circle???? I've adjusted the stop screws until the seals on the swivel hub just miss getting damaged & there is still a spot where I can't do a Uturn where the others would. It does have wider wheels but it's not just as if the wheels are hitting the gutter. Who's got an answer for this? Ian

[rick130]

I've had four 130's & the Puma has the worst turning circle???? I've adjusted the stop screws until the seals on the swivel hub just miss getting damaged & there is still a spot where I can't do a Uturn where the others would. It does have wider wheels but it's not just as if the wheels are hitting the gutter. Who's got an answer for this? Ian
If you have wider wheels/tyred with standard the standard 20.6mm offset you'll reduce your turning circle.

One of the main reasons I went to 0 offset rims was to get some turning circle back after losing it with 255/85's.