What do we do when drivers get the message?

[Mick_Marsh]

Less people are now exceeding the speed limit in Victoria's 40km/h speed zones.
Less speeding fines are being issued.
Victorians are getting the message.

So..........

No Cookies | Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/west/road-safety-experts-call-for-30kmh-speed-zones/news-story/bf27231b09f918adeb339aa64c1e8be5)


because revenue from speeding fines is down.

[Eevo]

maybe they will start to target bad driving...

[Mick_Marsh]

maybe they will start to target bad driving...
Did you read the article I linked to?

[Eevo]

Did you read the article I linked to?

no it didnt load for me.
does now though


what a stupid idea.

[ramblingboy42]

whats stupid about it?

[loanrangie]

Yes it is stupid, i agree in principle but at some point you need to be responsible for your own actions and if you have kids you are responsible for them too.
What next, town/suburb bypasses ?

[Xtreme]

Been a while since I've been there but Darwin had a good system that seemed to keep everyone happy - restricted speed on suburban streets but no restriction on main/through roads and limits apply 24/7. No worrying what time of day it is or if schools are on holidays or not. ;)

[winaje]

Always makes me wonder why they never try to educate the pedestrian to NOT walk in front of a moving vehicle...? It's amazing.

[MrLandy]

Controversy warning: Reduce the speed to zero and there would be no pedestrian fatalities. How about if an area is deemed to be a 30 kmh zone, it automatically becomes a bike and pedestrian only zone. Then people might walk more, ride bikes more and redress the balance from, car is king, to human perambulation is king. 4WD's aren't designed for these low speed urban zones anyway. Cheers

PS: I doubt there is a pedestrian alive who would want to be hit by a car. Awareness of human frailty is very important and is not a sign of weakness or allegiance to any fixed belief system.

[Ausfree]

Yep, if revenue is down from speeding fines they must develop a way to increase the revenue. Nothing to do with safety.:mad:

[Fatso]

When I went to school we were taught to - Look Right - Look Left - and Look Right again before crossing the road .


Any way in WA most of the speeding and double parking and bad manners is usually displayed by the parents dropping off their kids .

[ramblingboy42]

Yes it is stupid, i agree in principle but at some point you need to be responsible for your own actions and if you have kids you are responsible for them too.
What next, town/suburb bypasses ?

well Loanrangie , how are you going to ever get the message of responsibility across?

Govts and police forces have been trying to do this for 50yrs and it hasn't gelled with motorists yet.....

Unfortunately the only thing that works is enforcement.....the heavier the enforcement the better the results......sad but true.

[MrLandy]

Yes. More vehicle bypasses in towns, around schools, etc is a great idea. The more Pedestrian and cyclist safety zones the better IMO. You only have to read the cyclist threads on here for a snapshot of why. Anywhere that needs a 20 or 30km limit could be vehicle free IMO. Imagine the greenlaneing for walking and cycling through our cities that would result. The notion that we must drive right to every doorstep is ridiculous. Bring on the city gridlock I say. Slow down and walk from the car zone or get a bike.

4WD's are for bush and country driving anyway. The city SUV culture is actually bonkers when you think it through. And it's actually killing the 4WD. 4WD manufacturers are now catering mainly to those USING THEM PREDOMINANTLY IN THE 30 kmhr school drop off zones!!

[D2lee]

maybe they will start to target bad driving...



no, to generate revenue, they need a simple and relatively cheap automatic detection and fine issuing system where the rules are black and white. ie. speeding


If they start to need human input in determining what's right or wrong, it starts to cost money rather than generate it.

[Chops]

Yes. More vehicle bypasses in towns, around schools, etc is a great idea. The more Pedestrian and cyclist safety zones the better IMO. You only have to read the cyclist threads on here for a snapshot of why. Anywhere that needs a 20 or 30km limit could be vehicle free IMO. Imagine the greenlaneing for walking and cycling through our cities that would result. The notion that we must drive right to every doorstep is ridiculous. Bring on the city gridlock I say. Slow down and walk from the car zone or get a bike.

4WD's are for bush and country driving anyway. The city SUV culture is actually bonkers when you think it through. And it's actually killing the 4WD. 4WD manufacturers are now catering mainly to those USING THEM PREDOMINANTLY IN THE 30 kmhr school drop off zones!!

Sounds interesting, but are you cyclists going to pay for it??? Nooo.
So we with bad backs and legs etc have to pay to drive around something or go even slower because ******* can't seem to teach kids to stay OFF the road.

[Tank]

Less people are now exceeding the speed limit in Victoria's 40km/h speed zones.
Less speeding fines are being issued.
Victorians are getting the message.

So..........

No Cookies | Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/west/road-safety-experts-call-for-30kmh-speed-zones/news-story/bf27231b09f918adeb339aa64c1e8be5)


because revenue from speeding fines is down.
I think it is just a way to get revenue back up.
When the urban speed limit was dropped to 50klm/h and 40klm/h pedestrian/car accidents rose by 12%.
With Inattention the largest cause of road fatalites, and the Govt. is aware of this even though they jump on speeding as the bogeyman, seems motorists are spending more time looking at their speedo than what's happening in front of them.
A Blatant revenue raiser for the Govt., to stop completely school crossing accidents why doesn't the Govt. actually spend some money on Monitored/Crossing Guards, not good for revenue, but great for protecting school kids, Regards Frank.

[NavyDiver]

Controversy warning: 4WD's aren't designed for these low speed urban zones anyway. .

Really- low range works a treat in mine :wasntme:

[MrLandy]

Sounds interesting, but are you cyclists going to pay for it??? Nooo.
So we with bad backs and legs etc have to pay to drive around something or go even slower because ******* can't seem to teach kids to stay OFF the road.

We all pay our taxes. In fact I'm tired of paying taxes for so many roads, when public transport and cycle / pedestrian areas are so under funded.

So are you arguing that all current green/pedestrian/cycling areas should be user pays too? Or that they should be bitumenised so road vehicle registration taxes can pay for them instead?

It wasnt that long ago when we didn't have to pay anything for simply existing in the natural environment. Now you can't park, eat or camp for free in most parks in Australia. What's next? User pays air?

[DiscoMick]

I think it is just a way to get revenue back up.
When the urban speed limit was dropped to 50klm/h and 40klm/h pedestrian/car accidents rose by 12%.
With Inattention the largest cause of road fatalites, and the Govt. is aware of this even though they jump on speeding as the bogeyman, seems motorists are spending more time looking at their speedo than what's happening in front of them.
A Blatant revenue raiser for the Govt., to stop completely school crossing accidents why doesn't the Govt. actually spend some money on Monitored/Crossing Guards, not good for revenue, but great for protecting school kids, Regards Frank.

Rapidly changing speed zones are a safety hazard because they distract drivers from what is happening in the traffic around them. Drivers have to watch the signs and speedos instead of the traffic.

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[Chenz]

There was some traffic guru on the radio advocating a 30kph for streets in Melbourne.

You would spend the whole time with your foot on the brake and looking at the speedo.

[Mick_Marsh]

There was some traffic guru on the radio advocating a 30kph for streets in Melbourne.

You would spend the whole time with your foot on the brake and looking at the speedo.
Probably Dr Bruce Corben, the fellow in the article linked in the OP.

[Chops]

We all pay our taxes. In fact I'm tired of paying taxes for so many roads, when public transport and cycle / pedestrian areas are so under funded.

So are you arguing that all current green/pedestrian/cycling areas should be user pays too? Or that they should be bitumenised so road vehicle registration taxes can pay for them instead?

It wasnt that long ago when we didn't have to pay anything for simply existing in the natural environment. Now you can't park, eat or camp for free in most parks in Australia. What's next? User pays air?

Aren't they pretty much all paved anyway? Only a small minority of people use walking tracks, and why do they need to be paved anyway. Oh that's right, they might lose their footing and hurt themselves :angel:

But I'm a firm believer that bike riders should pay rego. You want all these things done for you, why shouldn't you put in extra?

I do believe in exercise though, and everybody should be doing it, walking probably being the cheapest of all. Maybe we'd be a fitter society.

[stewie110]

Don't worry about the 30km zones. It'll be the loss of productivity because everyone is already worn out by the extra 10%+ commute times. Then the government can beat on the productivity drum