Retrofitting missing factory options to new-ish LR's; FL2, Evoque, D3/D4, RRS, etc...

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Anyone else interested in this? Fitting missing factory options to newer Land Rovers?

So far I've done the following;

2008 Freelander 2
Upgraded to 14-speaker Surround Sound from 9-speaker Midline
Retrofitted factory bluetooth phone system
Retrofitted factory DAB+ digital radio

2015 Freelander 2
Upgraded to 17-speaker Meridian Surround Sound from 11-speaker Meridian
Retrofitted factory DAB+ digital radio
Retrofitted TPMS system

Have also done similar upgrades on Jag XF's and XK's

This sort of thing can also be done on the Disco 3 & 4, Range Rover Sport, other models too. Plus heaps more like the Digital TV, rear entertainment, and so on.

All as per factory fitment, the integration is seamless.

Not everything is economically viable to do, but it's all technically possible.

I can't be the only geek who's into this sort of thing...

[strydes]

I'm keen on the factory retrofit stuff, but don't have your level of skill/confidence to dive in without a little guidance.

Have you documented somewhere the parts and process for the DAB+ install in the 2015 FL2? I've got a 2014 Disco 4 and keen to do this if it's not overly complicated.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

As with Strydes, I'd be interested in fitting the rear camera and possibly also the Nav (or an after market street NAV and mapping option (e.g. Hema maps) that integrates with the original screen).

I have a MY12 D4 with the Harmon Kardon HiICE system which is the base standard for camera/NAV in my model. Also in Sydney.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I'm keen on the factory retrofit stuff, but don't have your level of skill/confidence to dive in without a little guidance.

Have you documented somewhere the parts and process for the DAB+ install in the 2015 FL2? I've got a 2014 Disco 4 and keen to do this if it's not overly complicated.

The components for a DAB+ on a '14 Disco 4 are the same as the '15 FL2, probably only the coax and fiber-optic cables will be different, as the DAB module is located separately to the audio amp.

Which sound system do you have in yours now? It's a Harmon Kardon with touchscreen?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

As with Strydes, I'd be interested in fitting the rear camera and possibly also the Nav (or an after market street NAV and mapping option (e.g. Hema maps) that integrates with the original screen).

I have a MY12 D4 with the Harmon Kardon HiICE system which is the base standard for camera/NAV in my model. Also in Sydney.
If you already have the touchscreen then it's only a matter of connecting the Nav module, GPS receiver, and the associated wiring.

The camera should be pretty straight forward. Let me do a little research and i'll see exactly what's needed.

[strydes]

Which sound system do you have in yours now? It's a Harmon Kardon with touchscreen?

Mine is the Meridian HiICE touchscreen, looks much like the one you upgraded in the 2015 FL2.

You're a machine Cambo, all over this stuff. I'll be following LotzaLandies satnat stuff with interest too. Even though his will be a different system for the HK stereo, I've pondered that retrofit for ages too.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Mine is the Meridian HiICE touchscreen, looks much like the one you upgraded in the 2015 FL2.
Well that's easy then :)

Rather long thread on it here Freel2.com - View topic - DAB+ MY15 OE Retrofit - COMPLETED!! (http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic21950.html) now that the hard work has been done, the next one is very easy.


You're a machine Cambo, all over this stuff. I'll be following LotzaLandies satnat stuff with interest too. Even though his will be a different system for the HK stereo, I've pondered that retrofit for ages too.
Thanks but I haven't done this all on my own...

So you don't have navigation in yours either?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If you already have the touchscreen then it's only a matter of connecting the Nav module, GPS receiver, and the associated wiring.

The camera should be pretty straight forward. Let me do a little research and i'll see exactly what's needed.Its a confidence thing.

Initially I didn't want to cause any issues with the original factory warranty, but that's no longer an issue as it's out of the LR Warranty period.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I think for the Navigation it would be more cost effective to use this system

NEW Land Rover Discovery 4 GPS SAT NAV System FOR 3rd GEN Vehicles in VIC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Land-Rover-Discovery-4-OEM-GPS-SAT-NAV-SYSTEM-for-3rd-Gen-vehicles-/201346046186)

Because the HDD navigation computer from Land Rover is about $2000 as a spare part and i've NEVER seen one 2nd hand for sale...

The integration looks pretty seamless, especially as it activates the Nav button on the touchscreen. For $1000 it's going to be better value than an OEM retrofit. Assuming that it works as well as they claim.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

For the reversing camera it looks as though it can connect directly to the touchscreen and just needs to be activated in the CCF. Would need the appropriate wiring too.

If you can find a used camera at the right price it would probably be reasonable. A new camera is like $500 :mad:

[strydes]

Well that's easy then :)

Rather long thread on it here Freel2.com - View topic - DAB+ MY15 OE Retrofit - COMPLETED!! (http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic21950.html) now that the hard work has been done, the next one is very easy.

So you don't have navigation in yours either?

I read through the thread and it looked like really hard work with the trial and error, though it seems a lot of it wasn't required. If it ends up being only the module and the antenna cabling then I'd be taking it on for sure so am keen on his answer to your question there about what would actually be needed as a 'kit' to get it done.

No nav. That aftermarket one looks ok, I'd seen it before and considered but haven't yet bothered to take the plunge.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Just to give you an idea, it took me 3 hours to install the DAB+ in mine, once I had all the parts in front of me. Stu was really figuring out as he went in collecting the parts and sorting out the cables. Now it's been done a couple of times it's dead simple.

And the factory wiring diagrams actually define the length of the cables, which he overlooked in the beginning.

I'm going to update my build thread shortly with the install of DAB+ into my FL2.

[strydes]

3 hours seems fairly speedy. Do you just get the wiring diagrams off topix and hunt down the part numbers from that?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Already have the part numbers for the OEM components from the MY15 Fl2 install, they are the same as the D4 (DAB module, DAB antenna amp to the window, roof dome antenna), so the coax connections are going to be the same too, it's only the lengths of the coax that need checking.

The wiring diagrams are only needed to see what the coax lengths are. So if someone has a copy of the MY14 D4 wiring diagrams that'll make it easy, otherwise have to get them from Topix.

Power connection to the DAB module is also taken from the FL2, it's just an earth and +12 you can get a pre-wired connector, it's only 1 wire that needs tapping into +12V in the rear fuse box, the other is an earth, ring connector onto a bolt somewhere.

Mounting bracket for the DAB module is also there in the D4 if you have a Harmon Kardon / Meridian system fitted.

Last piece of the puzzle is to extend the MOST fiber optic ring to the DAB module, but these can be picked up off ebay for $30 or so. A 1m extension would do it.

[Brada]

Hi, I have just bought a my15 disco 4 and miss the keyless entry option that was on my Suzuki grand vitara. I have looked and can see that in will need the door handles and door wiring loom well as the receiver and KVM module that I think sits under the bonnet somewhere. I hope that I don't have to reset the ecu
Is this a stupid challenge to take on?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I looked into a Keyless Entry retrofit for a 2014 Evoque, and the end result was going to be upwards of $2k in parts, and a lot of difficulty in making it work. In the end it was not worth the hassle, or the potential long-term problems.

I don't know if you saw a year or two back, there was a spate of Range Rovers being stolen in the UK, literally a crime wave.

JLR response to this was to completely block the programming of key/remote on the Keyless cars, from 2014 onwards. Essentially if you need a program a new key/remote, you have to replace the KVM (it can not longer be re-programmed), and all the other keys have to be replaced as well.

And "non-authorised" persons are no longer "permitted" to program keys on the late model cars either.

And supposing that you did retrofit the keyless system, Land Rover won't be able to help you if you ever need a new key, because the spec of the car doesn't match their records. If a dealer needs a replacement key for a MY15 car they order it complete and coded from the factory in the UK, which they can't do if the security system is not as per the factory build.

I wouldn't get involved with keys on anything past 2012MY, too much of a headache...

[Brada]

I looked into a Keyless Entry retrofit for a 2014 Evoque, and the end result was going to be upwards of $2k in parts, and a lot of difficulty in making it work. In the end it was not worth the hassle, or the potential long-term problems.

I don't know if you saw a year or two back, there was a spate of Range Rovers being stolen in the UK, literally a crime wave.

JLR response to this was to completely block the programming of key/remote on the Keyless cars, from 2014 onwards. Essentially if you need a program a new key/remote, you have to replace the KVM (it can not longer be re-programmed), and all the other keys have to be replaced as well.

And "non-authorised" persons are no longer "permitted" to program keys on the late model cars either.

And supposing that you did retrofit the keyless system, Land Rover won't be able to help you if you ever need a new key, because the spec of the car doesn't match their records. If a dealer needs a replacement key for a MY15 car they order it complete and coded from the factory in the UK, which they can't do if the security system is not as per the factory build.

I wouldn't get involved with keys on anything past 2012MY, too much of a headache...


Bummer, I suppose it's the advantage of buying new. Thanks for the prompt answer
Brad

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I think for the Navigation it would be more cost effective to use this system

NEW Land Rover Discovery 4 GPS SAT NAV System FOR 3rd GEN Vehicles in VIC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Land-Rover-Discovery-4-OEM-GPS-SAT-NAV-SYSTEM-for-3rd-Gen-vehicles-/201346046186)

Because the HDD navigation computer from Land Rover is about $2000 as a spare part and i've NEVER seen one 2nd hand for sale...

The integration looks pretty seamless, especially as it activates the Nav button on the touchscreen. For $1000 it's going to be better value than an OEM retrofit. Assuming that it works as well as they claim.I contacted them about compatibility with the MY12 Hi-ICE system. They have advised it is compatible, but looking into an install in Melbourne or getting someone to do it in Sydney.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I contacted them about compatibility with the MY12 Hi-ICE system. They have advised it is compatible, but looking into an install in Melbourne or getting someone to do it in Sydney.
That's great news! Because I looked into the factory Nav some more for 2010-2012 models and it's a nightmare system, especially to update maps (truly only a dealer can do it, and the special hard drive update tool they have is $3000 to buy).

I'd be happy to do the install if they can't recommend someone in Sydney. If they want a "specialist" to do it, well without sounding like an egomaniac, I feel i'm more than capable (you can see what i've done with my own car) and I am actually a licensed Auto Electrician, even though my day job is working with industrial equipment.

[laughto]

What I'd really like to be able to get working is the TMC component of the Navigation system, although I believe this is a no goer because of LRA's position (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php?p=2503050#post1222143), albeit they claim it is not compatible with the AU Nav system - which could be possible!

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

That's going to be a challenge...

Intelematics Australia broadcasts a national encrypted RDS-TMC service focused initially on urban Australia under the brand 'SUNA Traffic Channel'. The service reaches around 85% of urban Australia, using commercial FM broadcasters in seven cities, as well as via XML for online and smartphone applications. The service is available on GPS navigation systems including Navma, Mio, Uniden, iPhone (Navigon & Sygic), Eclipse, Pioneer, Alpine and Clarion. SUNA Traffic Channel is also available in Ford, Holden, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, and Mercedes Benz navigation systems.

SUNA is currently the only source of comprehensive, metropolitan congestion monitoring content in Australia ? proprietary technology interfaces to traffic light control systems. The SUNA broadcast service is fully compliant with both RDS and TMC. However, since the broadcast is encrypted it does not work on in-car GPS navigation systems that do not have a commercial arrangement with SUNA.

More info herehttp://www.sunatraffic.com.au/where-to-purchase-suna/The RDS-TMS hardware from Land Rover is not able to decrypt the broadcast information from Suna. They do not have an "open" broadcast like in Europe.

On the Euro-spec Land Rovers there is an additional antenna amplifier which is mounted on the tailgate glass, and runs back to the radio head unit via a coax cable. This is missing from the Australian delivered cars. But it wouldn't matter since the decryption function is missing.

[laughto]

I would like to retrofit the TPMS into my 2014 (MY2015) D4 HSE. I notice from your other posts that you have done this on a 2015 FL2 where the wiring was already in existance. Not sure from your photos whether or not you removed the plastic covers under the mudguards to expose the wiring. Certainly just looking under my wheels at the arches, there is no wiring visible. The VIN is FAXXXXXX, so thought this would have been in place. Any advice appreciated.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I've posted in the other thread mate.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Been a busy few weeks but slowly adding to the list of achievements, so far it's up to;

Premium Surround Sound factory retrofits (Alpine, Harmon Kardon and Meridian)
Retrofitted and activated factory Bluetooth phone
Retrofitted factory DAB+ Digital Radio
Retrofitted and activated TPMS (MY15 only)

Follow Me Home Reverse (lighting from the remote fob)
Activated Timed Climate
Activated ECO Cruise data

Activated video playback from a USB stick (Freelander, and others)

Unlocked navigation entry on the move

Unlocked video display on the move (TV, DVD, USB ) software only, no black boxes

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/4.jpg

Converted a TDV6 into an SDV6, and a TD4 into an SD4

4x4i screen on the Freelander 2 is very close, but still a work in progress

Also working on retrofitting the Incontrol Apps to the Meridian-equipped cars

Hows everyone else's projects coming along?

[cjc_td5]

.....Converted a TDV6 into an SDV6......

Righto, please tell what/how etc???? Is it a software change only (ie CCF), ie no remap required?

Sent from my SM-G920I using AULRO mobile app

[LandyAndy]

Righto, please tell what/how etc???? Is it a software change only (ie CCF), ie no remap required?

Sent from my SM-G920I using AULRO mobile app

Very interested in the info to.
Andrew

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

It is effectively a remap since the ECU get's reflashed with the file from the SDV6. This I saw first hand. I've not done it personally I have a guy who dials in to my laptop and does it. So I've seen it done, partially at least.

It's been done with the SDD diagnostic system that dealers have, I don't know if it's possible with a Nanocom or IIDTool, probably not?

Can tell you that it needs the Engineering Mode to be activated with a 1-time password, and some files manipulated, and it's a non-standard procedure since reflashing the ECU with SDD is blocked unless a factory update is available.

As you guys are both in WA, perhaps my mate in Perth with the Freelander we've been working on could help out.

[LandyAndy]

Both in country WA.
Andrew

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Well if you are planning a trip to Perth let me know, it only takes a couple of hours to do.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Latest effort is retrofitting heated seats to a 2015MY Freelander 2.

All OEM/original components used;

Heater pads
Heated seat modules under each seat (Volvo parts LOL)
Wiring looms from the heated seat modules to the main harness under the seats
New HVAC panel which has the heated seat buttons

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13438899_1581648115474433_4928066183865753518_n.jp g?oh=532b07a39cd6801e70a5d7e4d4be8ab5&oe=57EBEF71

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13507029_1581648162141095_1082768717320184973_n.jp g?oh=212bd8ee0e5478c4c62a4dca79720153&oe=5801E289

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13511061_1581648192141092_8923784085487200163_n.jp g?oh=c2fc00d4eb761b78e0be5f816329b370&oe=580BC878

Not exactly plug & play, it needs to be activated in the CCF and here's where the fun starts. JLR actually cocked up the CCF in the 2013MY onward Freelander2 and a lot of fields are missing in the SDD. Even as-built fields are missing. Had to get our software hacker guru to correct the files in order to make this work.

Since JLR dealers never do this sort of thing, it was overlooked, because it was never needed no-one noticed the mistakes.

All sorted now though... just in time for winter!

[Guppy]

Been a busy few weeks but slowly adding to the list of achievements, so far it's up to;

Premium Surround Sound factory retrofits (Alpine, Harmon Kardon and Meridian)
Retrofitted and activated factory Bluetooth phone
Retrofitted factory DAB+ Digital Radio
Retrofitted and activated TPMS (MY15 only)

Follow Me Home Reverse (lighting from the remote fob)
Activated Timed Climate
Activated ECO Cruise data

Activated video playback from a USB stick (Freelander, and others)

Unlocked navigation entry on the move

Unlocked video display on the move (TV, DVD, USB ) software only, no black boxes

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/4.jpg

Converted a TDV6 into an SDV6, and a TD4 into an SD4

4x4i screen on the Freelander 2 is very close, but still a work in progress

Also working on retrofitting the Incontrol Apps to the Meridian-equipped cars

Hows everyone else's projects coming along?

Hey Cambo,

1. Any detailed instructions on:
ctivated video playback from a USB stick (Freelander, and others)
2. Unlocked navigation entry on the move
3. Unlocked video display on the move (TV, DVD, USB ) software only, no black boxes

on a MY11 D4

Thanks

Guppy

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

The 2011MY D4 uses an earlier Infotainment system, so not everything is possible like on the later vehicles with the IAM2.1 system.

However...

1. Video Playback from USB, I think should be possible, the field is present in the CCF and was available in some markets from new. It's necessary to activate the field in the CCF and then register the "player" with DivX to enable video playback.

2. Navigation on the move, again a field in the CCF, just a matter of enabling it.

3. Video in Motion. This might not be possible on the earlier Infotainment system, we did try with a 2011 Jag XF (not the IAM2.1) and it didn't work, a Canbus Filter / Video In Motion module was needed. But for the later cars with IAM2.1 it's certainly possible.

[discofans]

Great work!


I got a 2014 D4 and would like to retrofit the blind spot monitor, is that possible?

[b.anzellotti]

The 2011MY D4 uses an earlier Infotainment system, so not everything is possible like on the later vehicles with the IAM2.1 system.

However...

1. Video Playback from USB, I think should be possible, the field is present in the CCF and was available in some markets from new. It's necessary to activate the field in the CCF and then register the "player" with DivX to enable video playback.

2. Navigation on the move, again a field in the CCF, just a matter of enabling it.

3. Video in Motion. This might not be possible on the earlier Infotainment system, we did try with a 2011 Jag XF (not the IAM2.1) and it didn't work, a Canbus Filter / Video In Motion module was needed. But for the later cars with IAM2.1 it's certainly possible.


Hi Cambo,

Any idea if the Video from USB would work on 2010 D4 HSE? I have the iidTool.
What do you mean about the DivX?

Thanks

[Stuart02]

I've had no luck getting Nav on the move working via the CCF on my 2010. It shows up as enabled but no cigar. Is the flashing fickle enough to allow that?

I'm also trying to work out if I can play music from my Samsung phone via the USB or an adapter to the ipod connector?

[b.anzellotti]

I've had no luck getting Nav on the move working via the CCF on my 2010. It shows up as enabled but no cigar. Is the flashing fickle enough to allow that?

I'm also trying to work out if I can play music from my Samsung phone via the USB or an adapter to the ipod connector?

Stuart,

I couldn't get NOM to work either for the 2010 D4 HSE.
But I did a post about an audio solution a while ago.
The Viseeo Tune2Air WMA1000 is the best available. It plugs into the Land Rover cable that has Apple 30 pin connector and you connect any phone via Bluetooth.
Takes a minute to set up and my experience is it just works. So much so I completely forget it's there. Had to search my inbox to find out what it's called. It will continue playback if you get back in car and it starts where left off and it links the phones song menu to the car screen.
A bit pricey but the best way I've found. Had now about a year and used daily.


Viseeo TUNE2AIR WMA1000 Bluetooth Music Interface Adapter FOR Streaming TO CAR | eBay (http://m.ebay.com.au/itm/ViseeO-Tune2air-WMA1000-Bluetooth-Music-Interface-Adapter-for-streaming-to-CAR-/201570198455?nav=SEARCH)

[LRD414]

Hows everyone else's projects coming along?
Not quite in your league Cambo but upgrading headlights from halogen to xenon has been completed by a couple of us:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/239280-2014-facelift-xenon-headlights-grill-enroute.html
Physical change of headlight unit plus ccf update.
[Xenon Headlights] - Not Fitted > change to Fitted
[DRL Standard] - Enabled (could already be set depending on MY)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/489.jpg


Follow Me Home Reverse (lighting from the remote fob)
Also working on retrofitting the Incontrol Apps to the Meridian-equipped cars
Can you explain more about these two items please.
A button on the fob will turn on reverse lights?
What is Incontrol Apps?

Cheers,
Scott

[Stuart02]

Stuart,

I couldn't get NOM to work either for the 2010 D4 HSE.
But I did a post about an audio solution a while ago.
The Viseeo Tune2Air WMA1000 is the best available. It plugs into the Land Rover cable that has Apple 30 pin connector and you connect any phone via Bluetooth.
Takes a minute to set up and my experience is it just works. So much so I completely forget it's there. Had to search my inbox to find out what it's called. It will continue playback if you get back in car and it starts where left off and it links the phones song menu to the car screen.
A bit pricey but the best way I've found. Had now about a year and used daily.


Viseeo TUNE2AIR WMA1000 Bluetooth Music Interface Adapter FOR Streaming TO CAR | eBay (http://m.ebay.com.au/itm/ViseeO-Tune2air-WMA1000-Bluetooth-Music-Interface-Adapter-for-streaming-to-CAR-/201570198455?nav=SEARCH)

Nice one, thanks!

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I got a 2014 D4 and would like to retrofit the blind spot monitor, is that possible?
Sure anything is possible, actually some guys over in Europe have done the Blind Spot Monitor retrofit on a Jag XF. So yes it can be done. But gathering the parts at a reasonable price is the tricky part... like all retrofits, it's possible, but not necessarily economically viable. I'd have to look into this for a 2014 D4 specifically...


Hi Cambo,

Any idea if the Video from USB would work on 2010 D4 HSE? I have the iidTool.
What do you mean about the DivX?

Thanks
The 2010 D4 has the older infotainment system. I believe it's possible but i'll have to check that as i've only played with it on the 2013MY onward which is the IAM2.1

DivX is a video format, and it's licensed for use in the later models that have the IAM2.1 infotainment system i.e. they can play .divx video files, as well as the .avi video files with DivX codec.


I've had no luck getting Nav on the move working via the CCF on my 2010. It shows up as enabled but no cigar. Is the flashing fickle enough to allow that?
On a 2010 you need a Canbus Filter I believe, also known as the Video In Motion box. It basically stops the infotainment system from getting the signal that the car is moving over the Canbus.



But I did a post about an audio solution a while ago.
The Viseeo Tune2Air WMA1000 is the best available. It plugs into the Land Rover cable that has Apple 30 pin connector and you connect any phone via Bluetooth.
Takes a minute to set up and my experience is it just works. So much so I completely forget it's there. Had to search my inbox to find out what it's called. It will continue playback if you get back in car and it starts where left off and it links the phones song menu to the car screen.
A bit pricey but the best way I've found. Had now about a year and used daily. Viseeo TUNE2AIR WMA1000 Bluetooth Music Interface Adapter FOR Streaming TO CAR | eBay (http://m.ebay.com.au/itm/ViseeO-Tune2air-WMA1000-Bluetooth-Music-Interface-Adapter-for-streaming-to-CAR-/201570198455?nav=SEARCH)
Yes for sure the TUNE2AIR is the best option for bluetooth streaming if your car already has iPod connectivity via the 30-pin cable. You say not cheap but it's still cheaper than the other alternative which is a completely new phone module for like $650 or so... the Jag guys have been using the TUNE2AIR as well, works very well from what i've seen.


Not quite in your league Cambo but upgrading headlights from halogen to xenon has been completed by a couple of us:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/239280-2014-facelift-xenon-headlights-grill-enroute.html
Physical change of headlight unit plus ccf update.
[Xenon Headlights] - Not Fitted > change to Fitted
[DRL Standard] - Enabled (could already be set depending on MY)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/489.jpg


Can you explain more about these two items please.
A button on the fob will turn on reverse lights?
What is Incontrol Apps?

Cheers,
Scott
Nice work! I have not needed to make the Halogen to Xenon retrofit myself, luckily my cars have had factory Xenons.

OK so the Follow Me Home Reverse is a different version of turning on the vehicle lights from the remote fob. With it enabled one press of the "light" button turns on the headlights, a 2nd press also turns on the reverse lights. So for example if you want to light up the ground behind the car (say it's parked nose-first against a wall) you can do it with this. It's a bit of a gimmick but it's nice to have.

The Incontrol Apps is a feature on the newer vehicles where you get control over some vehicle functions and get information from the vehicle using your phone. It's constantly evolving and there are different versions depending on the vehicle and the model year. It originally was only possible on the 2013MY onward cars with the IAM2.1 infotainment but it's expanded again with the next-generation infotainment system to more or less give you the screen of your phone, on the screen of the car.

Honestly it's a bit hard to keep up (even I struggle) but some info about it here InControl | InControl Apps (http://www.landrover.com.au/ownership/incontrol/connectivity/incontrol-apps.html)

We've been looking at implementing the 1st generation version into the IAM2.1 infotainment, haven't even started on the current generation unit.

It's hard to keep up with technology!

[LRD414]

Follow Me Home Reverse is a different version of turning on the vehicle lights from the remote fob.
With it enabled one press of the "light" button turns on the headlights, a 2nd press also turns on the reverse lights.
Hey Cambo, just had a look at the CCF using my iiD BT tool and found that [Follow Me Home Reverse] is set to 'Enabled' already.
However, when I press the light button on the fob the only reaction is headlights on and then headlights off with a second press.
Tried a faster "double-click" which made no difference, just headlights on and then off again.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
Scott

[SBD4]

Hey Cambo, my wish list for the moment on MY16 RRS is:



Add memory seats to 14 way electric seats to get reverse dipping mirrors. Trying to find out what is needed hardware wise, def need the switch pack for the door and new facia, possibly new loom to door, possibly new Contol Unit, update CCF?
heated seats==> heat pads?? loom?? what else.
InControl Apps would be nice but no biggie
4x4 info (no dual range xfer box)

The only one I really want is the memory seats. With number of adjustments available, it takes me ages to get it back to the position I like after somebody stuffs around with it. What do you recommend as a course of action for this one?

Yet to get one but not sure how capable the IIDTool is with RRS2 and whether or not any CCF changes are possible....i'll have to shoot them an email.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Hey Cambo, just had a look at the CCF using my iiD BT tool and found that [Follow Me Home Reverse] is set to 'Enabled' already.
However, when I press the light button on the fob the only reaction is headlights on and then headlights off with a second press.
Tried a faster "double-click" which made no difference, just headlights on and then off again.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
Scott
Maybe it's not possible on a MY14 D4? I know it works on Evoque and MY13 onward Freelander 2...

There are often fields in the CCF which are already "enabled" but that option doesn't actually do anything.

Short answer, I don't know...


Add memory seats to 14 way electric seats to get reverse dipping mirrors. Trying to find out what is needed hardware wise, def need the switch pack for the door and new facia, possibly new loom to door, possibly new Contol Unit, update CCF?
The memory seat retrofit has been done in a Jag XF. Actually in that car it was just a matter of adding the memory module to the seat, and the switches, all the wiring was already present, and no changes were needed to the CCF it just worked when everything was connected. Maybe with a 2016 L494 some CCF changes might be needed, not sure haven't played with one of those yet. One thing with the XF was you needed the specific memory module for the seat type, if it was 8-way, 12-way, etc...


heated seats==> heat pads?? loom?? what else.
In the Freelander we needed;
- Heater pads
- Heated seat modules
- Wiring looms from the seat loom to the heated seat modules
- HVAC module / climate panel (to add the switches)
- Editing the CCF
- Reflashing the HVAC module to get the heated seat modules active on the LIN network

I haven't looked specifically at the L494 yet but i guess similar things...


InControl Apps would be nice but no biggie
This is quite a complex job, still haven't finished it. Might be easier in a model that actually had InControl Apps as an option from the factory. So far it's a TIM module, new panel where the USB port is (to add the 2nd USB socket for the phone), a heap of wiring, and some CCF changes.


4x4 info (no dual range xfer box)
I would have thought the 4x4 info would be possible regardless of which transfer box. On the earlier cars it was (as far as I know).


Yet to get one but not sure how capable the IIDTool is with RRS2 and whether or not any CCF changes are possible....i'll have to shoot them an email.
Have not used an IID so can't help you with that, sorry!

[SBD4]

Out of interest, what diagnostic tool do you use Cambo? Sounds like you have access to something quite comprehensive.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I've got a bit of a collection actually...

WDS for old Jags and Astons pre-2006
T4 Mobile+ for older Land Rovers pre-2006 (& MG Rover)
VCM with IDS for Jags up to 2009 & LR's from 2006-2009
VCM with SDD for the newer Jags & LR's
I also have a VMM for the electrical side of things with IDS/SDD
And some other non-JLR systems too...

[l00kin4]

Sure anything is possible, actually some guys over in Europe have done the Blind Spot Monitor retrofit on a Jag XF. So yes it can be done. But gathering the parts at a reasonable price is the tricky part... like all retrofits, it's possible, but not necessarily economically viable. I'd have to look into this for a 2014 D4 specifically...



I have had actually had an initial look at this (for my MY14) and the parts are pretty pricey.
Just the sensor modules - LR051009, LR051010 - alone are around $700 (from the UK), excluding freight. That's each, one for the left and one for the right! :o Haven't looked into the mirrors yet...
David

[LRD414]

Maybe it's not possible on a MY14 D4? I know it works on Evoque and MY13 onward Freelander 2...
There are often fields in the CCF which are already "enabled" but that option doesn't actually do anything.
Short answer, I don't know...
Seems to be a known issue for MY14/15 D4.
Have asked on Disco3 if anyone has figured it out.
What a weird thing to change or turn-off or miss for one model :confused:

Cheers,
Scott

[Disco Panda]

Cambo 351,

Have you ever heard of someone retrofitting TPMS and Wading Sensors on a 2015 HSE 3.0 SDV6 Discovery?

Thanks in advance,

Disco Panda.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Seems to be a known issue for MY14/15 D4.
Have asked on Disco3 if anyone has figured it out.
What a weird thing to change or turn-off or miss for one model :confused:
Doesn't make sense does it... but i've come across a few weird things with JLR vehicles that make no sense, so ???


I have had actually had an initial look at this (for my MY14) and the parts are pretty pricey.
Just the sensor modules - LR051009, LR051010 - alone are around $700 (from the UK), excluding freight. That's each, one for the left and one for the right! :o Haven't looked into the mirrors yet...
David
Paying full price for new parts will kill just about any retrofit project. I've always scavenged parts secondhand mostly from the UK and US, otherwise it's just not economical. Small items tend to be cheaper new but big stuff not... The one time I bought a big-ticket item brand new (an audio amplifier for 800-odd Pounds) it was a dud straight out of the box anyhow so I sent it back and replaced it with a used one for $400 instead...

If you have the LR part number I can cross-check them if there is a Jaguar equivalent and de-code the "engineering" part number which is what most ebay sellers list their parts with. The part number on the label, not the catalogue part number e.g. LR045327 = BJ32-19C164-BG = C2D30272

A lot of parts like electronic modules are shared between Jaguar and Land Rover, and even the new prices are out of whack. Same part ordered with Land Rover part number is double the price of the Jaguar one. Or the Jaguar one is three times the price of the Land Rover one, or the Volvo part is half the price of the Land Rover one...


Have you ever heard of someone retrofitting TPMS and Wading Sensors on a 2015 HSE 3.0 SDV6 Discovery?
Have not done it myself (yet) but for sure it's possible.

Have done the TPMS on a 2015MY Freelander 2, all the wiring was already in place, just missing the sensors in the wheels and the antennas in the wheel arches. The story i've been told is that since the EU has now required all vehicles to have TPMS since 2014, and the US market also requires TPMS then LR have standardised that all new vehicles have the wiring in place. This was the case with the Freelander, others have checked Discos but couldn't find the wiring. I haven't had the chance to check a new one myself, but this is the story i've been told.

The wading sensors will probably be spendy to get the parts new, but it's certainly possible to do it.

[Fasn8n]

Thanks to a great deal of assistance from Cambo351, I recently installed TPMS, Premium sound and DAB+ to my MY16 D4.

I'd highly recommend doing all of these upgrades. The quality of sound the DAB+ and Premium audio output is day and night difference compared to the standard Meridian system.

[LRD414]

So with the TPMS was the wiring in place like the FL2 that Cambo did? Do you have a shopping list of parts required?

Scott

[Fasn8n]

So with the TPMS was the wiring in place like the FL2 that Cambo did? Do you have a shopping list of parts required?

Scott

Yes the wiring was already in place. A couple of the sensor plugs were hidden pretty well though, which required taking away some of the rear interior trim.

Yes, I have a list of the parts that are required.

Sent from my LG-F400S using AULRO mobile app

[SBD4]

Yes the wiring was already in place. A couple of the sensor plugs were hidden pretty well though, which required taking away some of the rear interior trim.

Yes, I have a list of the parts that are required.

Sent from my LG-F400S using AULRO mobile app
Well done! How much CCF editing was there?

[Fasn8n]

Well done! How much CCF editing was there?

Cambo helped me out with that side of things. Took about an hour to edit the CCF for all 3 additions.

Sent from my LG-F400S using AULRO mobile app

[rhinosm]

Re, Seat memory and dipping mirrors.
Is this the part required?
Range Rover Sport & L322 & Discovery 4 Drivers 8 Way Seat Memory Control Unit (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Range-Rover-Sport-L322-Discovery-4-Drivers-8-Way-Seat-Memory-Control-Unit-/281938984228)
If so, were does it go and how difficult>
Cheers.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

As far as I can see from the wiring diagrams, it's not simply a case of plugging in the module, it appears that the switch pack on the seat is also different. The connections on the memory and non-memory switch pack are doing different things.

e.g. Pin 3 on the memory is for the lumbar inflation, but on the non-memory it's the seat inclination, and so on...

Don't forget that the memory system is quite complicated as it also manages the positions of the motorised steering column, and the external rear-view mirrors.

There's different wiring harnesses for memory and non-memory seats.

While not impossible, it's going to be fairly complicated to work out.

[l00kin4]

If you have the LR part number I can cross-check them if there is a Jaguar equivalent and de-code the "engineering" part number which is what most ebay sellers list their parts with. The part number on the label, not the catalogue part number e.g. LR045327 = BJ32-19C164-BG = C2D30272

A lot of parts like electronic modules are shared between Jaguar and Land Rover, and even the new prices are out of whack. Same part ordered with Land Rover part number is double the price of the Jaguar one. Or the Jaguar one is three times the price of the Land Rover one, or the Volvo part is half the price of the Land Rover one...

Hi Cambo,
Re blind spot monitoring, those are the LR part numbers: "Just the sensor modules - LR051009, LR051010"
If you have any joy sourcing those for less I'd be very interested...
I also need to investigate what needs to change with respect to the mirror. I'll dig out a VIN so I can work out the parts. Not sure if it's the whole mirror unit or what...?
Thanks,
David

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Hi Cambo,
Re blind spot monitoring, those are the LR part numbers: "Just the sensor modules - LR051009, LR051010"
If you have any joy sourcing those for less I'd be very interested...
I also need to investigate what needs to change with respect to the mirror. I'll dig out a VIN so I can work out the parts. Not sure if it's the whole mirror unit or what...?
Thanks,
David

LR051009 = EH22-14D453-AE
LR051010 = EH22-14D453-BE

No Jag equivalent for those exact numbers, however you can find other Blind Spot Monitoring componenents with the middle of the p/n 14D453 from other Jag and Land Rover models.

I would have to make some further investigation as to cross-compatibility with other models... maybe, maybe not, either way it needs further investigation...

Do you have other part numbers for these modules, earlier or later ones perhaps?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I'm just about to do another Premium Sound retrofit on a MY16 D4.

As the wiring for the surround speakers is missing from the D4 (unlike the Freelander2 which is totally pre-wired) this time I've fabricated a proper harness to make the installation as simple as possible for the owner of the car.

Retrofit Harness:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/271.jpg

This makes it so much easier! Here's all the parts needed for the retrofit:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/272.jpg

As it turns out the speakers and harness is the same for both the Logic7 and the Meridian systems from MY12 onward. The only difference is the amplifier however the connectors and pinouts are the same.

The Meridian speakers are 100% the same as the Harmon Kardon ones, just no branding on the label.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Finished off another D4 with the Meridian Surround and DAB+ today, the owner of the car brought another item to my attention that I wasn't aware of, apparently all the newer Australian delivered cars have the Global Close disabled, because of "safety concerns", yet the UK/EU cars have it.

Managed to find the right field for it in the CCF and now the Global Close is working.

Funny that the Global Close was enabled in my older Freelander from the factory, apparently this was not dangerous in 2008????

[l00kin4]

LR051009 = EH22-14D453-AE
LR051010 = EH22-14D453-BE

No Jag equivalent for those exact numbers, however you can find other Blind Spot Monitoring componenents with the middle of the p/n 14D453 from other Jag and Land Rover models.

I would have to make some further investigation as to cross-compatibility with other models... maybe, maybe not, either way it needs further investigation...

Do you have other part numbers for these modules, earlier or later ones perhaps?
Sorry for the delay in responding - distracted elsewhere! :)


I noticed that LR051009 seem to have now been superseded by LR075761 but not sure if that helps...


David

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

LR075761 is too new for my records to get the engineering part number, sorry.

But it's most likely going to be with an F and the end instead of an E.

In other news, we're now able to update an old bluetooth module to the latest software revision.

This means if you have an old 2007/2008 module, we can update it to the latest 2012 onward software which gives you compatibility with the newer phones, proper working address book, battery and cellular reception indication.

It's a bit of a hack to make it work, so probably the best thing is we provide the modules on an exchange basis.

Modules for the Jag X150 XK, X250 XF and L359 Freelander2 can be done on an exchange basis.
Modules for the L319/L320/L322 Disco/RRS/FFRR need to be done in the car.

These are the black plastic phone modules for the earlier vehicles that don't have the IAM2.1 infotainment system.

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[Cambo_oldjaguar]

What I'd really like to be able to get working is the TMC component of the Navigation system, although I believe this is a no goer because of LRA's position (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php?p=2503050#post1222143), albeit they claim it is not compatible with the AU Nav system - which could be possible!
We're working on this right now, I think we'll have it working in the next few weeks for AUS/NZ, we've been able to get TMC working in another country where JLR refused to pay the licensing fee for the local TMC service...

Here's the pics of an Aussie vehicle with the TMC activated, but as you can see no TMC information available, we know why, we know how to get it working, just a matter of finding some free time to work on it...

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[cirezy]

Hi Everyone,

I'm new to this forum. I am just wondering if anyone has successfully retrofitted a sat nav that has signal input from the driving wheel?
I know it is not very important in most of Australia, but I really hate GPS systems that don't work in the city and tunnels.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Welcome to the forum!

The factory nav systems use vehicle speed, accelerometers and steering position sensors to track your position when there is no satellite reception.

Which vehicle do you have or want to put a nav in?

It looks like my previous comments about the factory nav install are not valid anymore, a couple of friends of mine have succeeded in retrofitting compete IAM2.1 Level 3 infotainment which includes navigation.

[pan handle]

Hi Guys,

I just bought a 2013 D4 and have been thinking about retrofitting a number of options.

I went had a look around the car and I noticed that I have two spaces (cages, with brackets) under both driver and passenger seat. both have wiring and plugs.

Wondering what modules go in these spaces?

Thanks

Mark

[Mk1_Oz]

I have a 2008 D3 SE TDv6 and always wanted the hands free phone and navigation system but at the time it was a $5000 option IIRC.

Is it possible to retrofit these options? At least having a hands free phone would be fantastic (not sure if that was every a separate thing from navigation though).

Costly? Have to buy the original parts from LR?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Hi Guys,

I just bought a 2013 D4 and have been thinking about retrofitting a number of options.

I went had a look around the car and I noticed that I have two spaces (cages, with brackets) under both driver and passenger seat. both have wiring and plugs.

Wondering what modules go in these spaces?

Thanks

Mark

Welcome to the forum Mark.

In a 2013 D4, the brackets under the front seats are for the Television module (drivers side), and for the external navigation module (for Asian and other markets, the systems that use an SD card or DVD player, not applicable to AUS)

What other things do you have in mind? The Surround Sound is a must-have from my perspective, if you're into your music.

Send me a PM with the VIN and I can give you some suggestions of what's possible.


I have a 2008 D3 SE TDv6 and always wanted the hands free phone and navigation system but at the time it was a $5000 option IIRC.

Is it possible to retrofit these options? At least having a hands free phone would be fantastic (not sure if that was every a separate thing from navigation though).

Costly? Have to buy the original parts from LR?
Possible yes, but how easy depends on which audio system you have. If you have a "Midline" system which has a subwoofer, then adding a factory bluetooth phone is quite simple, more or less the same as what i did in my Freelander2.

If you have the Base audio system then it's quite a pain because the fiber optic network is missing. And upgrading from the Base to the Midline or Premium audio will be quite an expensive and complicated effort. There is an alternative which I know works in the Jags (like the XF) where they had the fiber optic network on Base level audio, but I haven't tried it on a D3 yet...

Regarding the factory navigation, again it depends on if you have the Midline audio or not. With the Midline you can retrofit the factory nav screen and DVD drive fairly easily (will also need to add the GPS reciever in the roof), and assuming you can find the parts out of wrecks at a reasonable price, it wouldn't be too costly. But it's quite a dated system now... although with the factory touchscreen, you can also get some nice features like the 4x4i info screen, off-road navigation and so on...

But yeah, 1st question is, which audio system do you currently have? You can PM me the VIN and i'll look it up if that helps...

[AlexeiS]

Hi Cambo351, I am new to this forum (this is my first post), and in fact, am new to LR, having just bought a 2nd hand D4 MY16 HSE black pack.

I must say i am amazed at the tech-knowledge and sound advice on offer in AULRO from my reading so far, and being somewhat of a tech-geek myself, am particularly interested in this 'missing options' thread.

However, despite being a techie, i am not overly confident to take my car apart and put it back together again. I'm wondering if there are some 'simple' project to start with to gain confidence.

Following on from others, i would be particularly interested in:
- TMC (i see its being worked on)
- DAB+
- Premium sound upgrade. (I have a Meridian system - Vin decoder says 'L3')

- Surround cameras (I have reversing, but would love to have the others)
- 'adventure cam' (i think is what's its called), with a channel for an external / portable cam.
- Blind-spot assist

- TPMS
And maybe even
- Front Passenger seat memory (for the wife).

Now that i think about it, that's a pretty big list...
Where would you recommend I start?

Alexei

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Welcome to the forum Alexei!

Well to start out the "easiest" retrofits are the ones that have already been done multiple times before, like the DAB+, Surround Sound and the TPMS.

We already have some detailed instructions for the DAB+ and Surround Sound, also the list of parts needed has been established, and where you need custom-made cables (like for the DAB+ and the Surround Sound) I have already made up these cables for other people, so it's all a known thing, not really breaking new ground.

Yes the L3 is the 380W Meridian System, not the Surround, but it's easy enough to upgrade, I think I already posted some pics earlier in the thread of the items needed...

The TMC is a work in progress, will require a customised set of maps and a CCF change to enable it. We're very close now...

The Surround Cameras is a bit more complicated, and expensive to do. I have looked into this for a couple of people, here's what i came up with so far...

It's not too complicated, although there are a number of parts needed.

Basically the parts are;

2x front bumper cameras
2x mirror cameras, in the dedicated mirror housings
1x rear view camera (it's different to the standard reversing camera)
1x camera module
Wiring for connecting all these

The big ticket items are the mirror assemblies, i'd be trying to find them out of a wreck myself, you need to get mirror assemblies with cameras, that also match the other specs of your car (memory or non-memory being the main one)

The empty mirror housings are usually like $600 AUD each (ex-uk) and the cameras are available from China for USD $150 each, genuine cameras are around $475 AUS each ex-UK so that makes complete mirrors with everything in them off a wreck the cheaper way to go I think.

There are often camera modules on ebay for around $300 (a fraction of the new price) and the bumper cameras could be done with Evoque cameras for $150 AUD each or therabouts.

Looking into the wiring, i'd guess there's a few hundred dollars in the cables at least, coaxials that run from each camera back to the camera module, plus the other cables from the camera module to the touchscreen. None of the wiring will be present in the car from the factory so it'll all be custom in one way or another.

If you got lucky and found a set of mirrors with cameras, that also had the blind spot monitoring sensors, that would be the way to go.

The VentureCam system was kind of a predecessor to the integrated surround camera system, some older info here http://topix.landrover.jlrext.com/topix/service/archive/64941/GTR_venturecam.pdf

Basically they are wireless cameras which you could position around the car using suction mounts, and have the images show on the touchscreen, this is kind of obsolete now with the integrated surround camera systems, but in principle it could also be retrofitted. You don't have to use the genuine Land Rover camera's, there are cheaper alternatives. One thing the VentureCam could be useful for, even with the Surround Camera system, is to mount a camera on the rear of your trailer, or if you're towing a horse float, put a camera inside to keep an eye on the beasts.

Was there a passenger seat memory option from the factory in the D4? I don't recall seeing this...

So where to start? I'd suggest DAB+, Surround Sound and TPMS, as I said they've been done before and there is no surprises in making it all work.

[veebs]

Managed to find the right field for it in the CCF and now the Global Close is working.

Funny that the Global Close was enabled in my older Freelander from the factory, apparently this was not dangerous in 2008????

The global close is interesting - can I ask what do I need to do to get that sorted out in Perth WA?

[Mk1_Oz]

Does anybody know where (preferably in Adelaide) where to get a custom MOST jumper cable made up? Need so that I can get teh bluetooth module into my D3. Cannot find somebody anywhere - surprising as fibre is so common now :(:(:(

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

The global close is interesting - can I ask what do I need to do to get that sorted out in Perth WA?
I've got a mate in Perth who could do this for you, i'll send you a PM with his contact details.


Does anybody know where (preferably in Adelaide) where to get a custom MOST jumper cable made up? Need so that I can get teh bluetooth module into my D3. Cannot find somebody anywhere - surprising as fibre is so common now :(:(:(
I've got a collection of MOST fiber bits & pieces in Sydney, but honestly I buy it all from China (AliExpress) because I never found anyone local who stocks that sort of thing... and if I did, it would still be cheaper from China anyhow. Happy to help you out with something from what i've got here...

[AlexeiS]

...We already have some detailed instructions for the DAB+ and Surround Sound, also the list of parts needed has been established, and where you need custom-made cables (like for the DAB+ and the Surround Sound) I have already made up these cables for other people, so it's all a known thing, not really breaking new ground.

...So where to start? I'd suggest DAB+, Surround Sound and TPMS, as I said they've been done before and there is no surprises in making it all work.



Thanks Cambo351,
seems like solid advice. Could you point me in the direction of parts lists for the Surround Sound, DAB+ and TPMS (or can you source parts and sell me these, together with the wiring looms you photographed?)

Cheers,

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Got your PM mate, will reply shortly.

The wiring harness' for the Surround Sound and DAB antenna I make up myself.

I have everything here for a DAB+ installation in a 2016 D4, i've also got a spare Surround amplifier in my collection of parts as well.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

If anyone wants to do the DAB+ retrofit, I made up a batch of antenna cables today.

These are the ones that are no longer available to buy from Land Rover, with the special double Fakra connector on them.

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Cheers

[rar110]

G'day Cam
Do you think I could add DAB+ to a MY08 L322?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

G'day Cam
Do you think I could add DAB+ to a MY08 L322?
I think it's going to be possible. Although i've not done it on that particular model yet.

There was a Sirius / SDARS / Satellite Radio option for the North American L322's from 2005MY onward and that module is the same one used in the Disco 3 and Disco 4, also the Freelander 2. So that looks like the same scenario as when I did the DAB+ retrofit on my 2008 FL2, it was not available from the factory at that time, but still worked.

What i'm not sure about is the antenna arrangement, are there any unused window antennas on the side rear windows? Like can you see an unused press stud on the glass?

There is a mounting bracket available for the SDARS or DAB module in the L322 up to 2009, Land Rover p/n IPU500172, they are like £10 or so.

[rar110]

Thanks. Sounds interesting.
Is this it (item 10)?:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/04/280.jpg

I was thinking about something like this.
Alpine EZI DAB GO Digital Radio (DAB/DAB Interface with Wireless Bluetooth NEW | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/371849159066)

[rar110]

I think I already have bracket 10. It holds the HK and TV unit.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/04/282.jpg

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Thanks. Sounds interesting.
Is this it (item 10)?:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/04/280.jpg

I was thinking about something like this.
Alpine EZI DAB GO Digital Radio (DAB/DAB Interface with Wireless Bluetooth NEW | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/371849159066)

The bracket is item 8 in that drawing.

Well that Ezi DAB is an FM modulator, so you're going from Digital, to Analogue, then back to Digital again. Plus you have to mount the device somewhere on the dash.

The whole point of a retrofit with factory components is that it's integrated into the cars infotainment system; completely controlled though the existing touchscreen, steering wheel controls, etc.

[rar110]

Integrated sounds much better.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Yeah it's so much better factory integrated in the touchscreen.

Can you PM me the VIN of your L322? I'll see if I can find out some more info.

[rar110]

Done. Thanks.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Alright I did some more digging.

The audio head unit of the L322 05-09 is unique, not shared with the L319/L320 or other JLR vehicles.
It has a "Ford" part number, so I don't think it's a hangover from the BMW days.

The amplifier from the Premium HK Logic7 in the L322 from that period is the same as the L319/L320.

The navigation DVD drive and CD changer is the same as the L319/L320, phone modules are also the same.

The SDARS/SIRIUS modules used in the L322 are the same as the L319/L320.

There are options in the CCF of a 2008 L322 for DAB, i.e. enabling DAB in the radio.

I think there's a pretty good chance it will work.

A simple test will prove it either way, connect a DAB module to the MOST network, give it power, and enable DAB in the CCF, if you get DAB on the touchscreen, then it's a go. If it doesn't work then no harm done, just put the CCF back how it was.

If you want to borrow a DAB+ module, power cable and MOST splitter to test it out, i'm happy to lend you one.

You have a means of editing the CCF?

[veebs]

If anyone wants to do the DAB+ retrofit, I made up a batch of antenna cables today.

These are the ones that are no longer available to buy from Land Rover, with the special double Fakra connector on them.

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Cheers

I've all but given up on this idea I think - without the press-studs in the window antenna i'd be looking at an aftermarket solution, which then starts to raise questions around reception quality.

Still, the surround sound upgrade has now got my attention Cambo - do you know if this is compatible with the 2010 models? I have, apparently, the "Enhanced Navigation System" and "HI ICE Branded" units in stalled (from a TOPiX report). The speakers in the doors have Harmon Kardon badging. I also have the iPod cable in the glovebox, should that make a difference?

Is it a difficult install? It looks like you add 3 speakers, is that correct? And what does this all cost?

Thanks for your help with all this!

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

As it turns out, Land Rover used to have the press studs as a repair part which you could order, p/n was XUI500150

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/04/256.jpg

Item #3 in that picture. They are not available anymore... :( I tried to find some new-old-stock but seems like they were all scrapped or something...

So that means it comes back to an aftermarket antenna, unless you replace the side window (which I guess isn't really feasible).

I have an aftermarket antenna fitted in my XJR;

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/04/257.jpg

One of these ones AERPRO CT27UV62 DAB DAB+ GLASS MOUNT PATCH ANTENNA DIGITAL RADIO SMB CONNECTOR | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AERPRO-CT27UV62-DAB-DAB-GLASS-MOUNT-PATCH-ANTENNA-DIGITAL-RADIO-SMB-CONNECTOR-/112227816641)

The location isn't ideal because it's crossing the heating wires in the rear window. That wouldn't be a problem in the side window of a Disco.

The DAB install in the XJR is a bit cobbled together (long story) so it's not the best example of what you can expect from an aftermarket antenna in my opinion. I also added an additional amplifier to boost the signal, which helps a lot.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/04/258.jpg

As the aftermarket antenna is also amplified on phantom power, I had to add another phantom power supply to run the booster, so the arrangement is powered antenna on the rear window -> phantom power adaptor -> DAB booster/amplifier -> DAB receiver. The booster is powered by phantom power on that comes from the DAB receiver. So basically two amplifiers in series now.

Made a BIG improvement to the reception! Different stations have different reception, but the two that I've been benchmarking;

WSFM, was generally good, occasional blips, now no blips
TripleM, was lots of blips, occasional loss of signal, now just occasional blips.

There are other options for vehicles where there's no separate DAB antenna on the window. For example in the later model Disco 4 and Freelander2, the FM antenna amplifier is replaced by a combined FM & DAB amplifier with an internal splitter. So the output is on two separate cables, one goes to the radio for FM, the other goes to the DAB receiver. This would also work on earlier cars.

And there are aftermarket amplifiers which do the same thing, I have one here to test out;

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/04/259.jpg

I'm waiting for a chance to pull the XKR apart, since it has fixed side windows i'll be able to mount different antennas on there to try out without issues from heating wires and so on, plus accessing the wiring/components for the DAB is much easier in that car than in a Land Rover or the XJR where you have to pull heaps of trim out to get to everything.

Surround Sound Retrofit on a 2010 D4 is definitely possible. HI-ICE is not the Logic7 Surround system. You don't have the speakers in the D-Pillars or in the center of the dash...

Basically it's just a matter of swapping the audio amplifier (under the drivers seat in a 2010) for the Logic7 Surround version, adding the speakers and d-pillar trims. If the wiring for the surround speakers is missing like it has been in the 2012-onward D4's, well it's not too hard to make up a retrofit harness.

Get me a picture of the connectors on the amp under the seat, so the wires from each connector are visible, can count them / see what's missing.

A few years back I helped do a Surround retrofit on a Disco 3, and it was pre-wired for Surround, so we assumed that all the cars were pre-wired, like the Jags and the FL2 and Evoque are. But as we found out, the 2012-onward D4's weren't. Could be that the 2010 D4 is, it's not too hard to check.

Also pop off the center speaker grille in the dash and see if the loom is there to plug into the speaker, i'm 99% sure it will be.

As for the cost, well it depends on how lucky you get finding a Logic7 amplifier. There's one on ebay.uk right now for £140

The d-pillars with speakers are about $200 each new, the center speaker for the dash about $100, ex-UK.

If a retrofit harness is needed, the ones I make for the later models I sell for $220 (there's $110 in parts to make the loom, plus it takes a few hours to put it together).

And then you need to edit the CCF to make it all work.

[veebs]

Holy moly - thanks for the super detailed reply! I'll have to start looking around for that amp - I have a workshop manual, though it doesn't list any part numbers in the audio section. Do you know if it is 8H42-19C164-BB?

One interesting note - there are also apparently mid-range speakers in the front doors in a logic 7 equipped vehicle?

I did find a disconnected plug in the rear right compartment (where the jack lives), but couldn't think what it might have been for. Looked too thin for speaker cables though, so i'l assuming it is some kind of signal line for rear audio controls or similar.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Ah hang on a minute....

There are different door harnesses for the Base/Midline/Hi-Ice cars vs. the Premium Surround cars in the 2010/2011 D4.

The way the extra speaker in the front door is handled is not the same as later models.

Let me do some more digging...

EDIT

Ok something weird here, the "Enhanced Navigation" you mention is only shown for the Surround system.

Yeah I need to do some more digging...

[rar110]

Alright I did some more digging.

The audio head unit of the L322 05-09 is unique, not shared with the L319/L320 or other JLR vehicles.
It has a "Ford" part number, so I don't think it's a hangover from the BMW days.

The amplifier from the Premium HK Logic7 in the L322 from that period is the same as the L319/L320.

The navigation DVD drive and CD changer is the same as the L319/L320, phone modules are also the same.

The SDARS/SIRIUS modules used in the L322 are the same as the L319/L320.

There are options in the CCF of a 2008 L322 for DAB, i.e. enabling DAB in the radio.

I think there's a pretty good chance it will work.

A simple test will prove it either way, connect a DAB module to the MOST network, give it power, and enable DAB in the CCF, if you get DAB on the touchscreen, then it's a go. If it doesn't work then no harm done, just put the CCF back how it was.

If you want to borrow a DAB+ module, power cable and MOST splitter to test it out, i'm happy to lend you one.

You have a means of editing the CCF?

Thanks Cam, yes I have an IIDTOOL.

Very generous.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Thanks Cam, yes I have an IIDTOOL.

Very generous.
Sent you a PM mate.


Ah hang on a minute....

There are different door harnesses for the Base/Midline/Hi-Ice cars vs. the Premium Surround cars in the 2010/2011 D4.

The way the extra speaker in the front door is handled is not the same as later models.

Let me do some more digging...

EDIT

Ok something weird here, the "Enhanced Navigation" you mention is only shown for the Surround system.

Yeah I need to do some more digging...
Well it gets even worse the more I look into it.

Well whoever it was at Land Rover responsible for the infotainment system in the early D4's needs whipping... far out they made a real mess of it... 66 different versions of the infotainment cabin wiring harness depending on the vehicle specification. Who signed off on that ?!?!?!

2010MY (VIN AA000001 to AA999999) also has different wiring harnesses to 2011MY (BA000001 to BA999999) even though the hardware was the same.

But, as far as I can tell, the cabin harnesses for the HI-ICE (HK) and Premium Sound (HK Logic7) are the same in regards to the speaker wiring. There is no different cabin harness listed specifically for a HI-ICE or Premium Sound, they are for both in all variations. In theory this means you should be able to find the unused looms/connectors for the rear surround speakers, probably taped or clipped up at the location of the d-pillars. Would need to remove the d-pillars and check for them.

The wiring diagrams are also a mess in that they do not differentiate between the HK or HK Logic7 systems, they only show the complete Logic7 arrangement.

The front door harness are differentiated between Base, Midline & HI-ICE as one version, and a different version for Premium Sound. This makes no sense to me when compared to the wiring diagrams which show different...

It's hard to believe that JLR could have got it so right with some models, and made a total mess of others.

Really need to get access to a 2010/2011 D4 and check the wiring on the car itself, the Microcat and Wiring Diagrams don't make sense.

EDIT

If your D4 with the HK branded system has the headphone sockets/panels/controls in the rear doors, then it should be straight forward to upgrade to the surround sound. i think...

[veebs]

Sent you a PM mate.


Well it gets even worse the more I look into it.

[SNIP]

If your D4 with the HK branded system has the headphone sockets/panels/controls in the rear doors, then it should be straight forward to upgrade to the surround sound. i think...

Perhaps the reason subsequent models are so right, is because they made a meal of this one...? Someone got a solid kick up the bum.

I'll aim to have a dig for cables this weekend... Thanks again for your help with this - sounds like i set quite a challenge!

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I've all but given up on this idea I think - without the press-studs in the window antenna i'd be looking at an aftermarket solution, which then starts to raise questions around reception quality.
OK I think I have a solution to the missing press studs.

I found the press studs from an electronic components supplier, and the electrically conductive adhesive to stick the stud to the antenna track on the window.

I'm going to try this on a friends 2010 D4 here in Sydney, see how it works out.

[veebs]

awesome - how did you go?

[Tins]

Well whoever it was at Land Rover responsible for the infotainment system in the early D4's needs whipping... far out they made a real mess of it... 66 different versions of the infotainment cabin wiring harness depending on the vehicle specification. Who signed off on that ?!?!?!

.

OT, I know, but think of the cost of that! When Renault got into bed with Nissan they were appalled to find Nissan had 85 different steering wheels in their inventory, for then current and recent cars. Renault had 5. Bear in mind, car companies are required to keep certain stock levels on hand as spare parts over a certain life of each vehicle. 66 different harnesses is madness. Even Ford is smarter than that.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

awesome - how did you go?

Got the press studs, still waiting on the adhesive.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

OT, I know, but think of the cost of that!....66 different harnesses is madness. Even Ford is smarter than that.
It's totally baffling, especially when you look at a Jag from the same year and they have one or two different harnesses at most...

[veebs]

Got the press studs, still waiting on the adhesive.

Wicked.

Just this stuff isn't it?

Wire Glue 9ml | Jaycar Electronics (https://www.jaycar.com.au/wire-glue-9ml/p/NM2831)

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

No this stuff Permatex(R) Rear Window Defogger Electrically Conductive Tab Adhesive - Permatex (https://www.permatex.com/products/specialized-maintenance-repair/defogger-repair/permatex-rear-window-defoggerelectrically-conductive-tab-adhesive/)

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

awesome - how did you go?
Glued them on today, worked out well, have continuity with the antenna wires on the glass so I'm calling it a success.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/06/338.jpg

the instructions say wait 24hrs until putting any strain on the joint, so I'll have to see when I get access to this D4 again, probably not for a couple more weeks.

But I'm confident in this method, looks like a winner.

[veebs]

Glued them on today, worked out well, have continuity with the antenna wires on the glass so I'm calling it a success.

the instructions say wait 24hrs until putting any strain on the joint, so I'll have to see when I get access to this D4 again, probably not for a couple more weeks.

But I'm confident in this method, looks like a winner.

Exciting times - hope is restored!

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Exciting times - hope is restored!

While I was at it, I glued on the studs for the TV antennas as well, now waiting patiently for a TV tuner and antenna amplifiers to turn up at the right price.

[wolfeyez]

Anyone here who can edit the CCF for discovery sport? I bought my DS without the incontrol apps, and I learned that it can be acitivated by editing the CCF without hardware change. TIA

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Anyone here who can edit the CCF for discovery sport? I bought my DS without the incontrol apps, and I learned that it can be acitivated by editing the CCF without hardware change. TIA
I can, but I'd be surprised if the Incontrol Apps is only a software change, on the earlier cars it's an additional module & cables.

[shanegtr]

I've got an 05 D3 with the base system. Been thinking about adding the rear D pillar speakers in as I have the 3rd row seats in use all the time - so it would be good for the rear seat passengers to have a little more volume. Not really fussed on upgrading to the harmon/kardon system (which I think you mentioned earlier in this post would require a retro fit of the fibre optic). Do you know if its possible to add some extra speakers in with the current wiring?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I've got an 05 D3 with the base system. Been thinking about adding the rear D pillar speakers in as I have the 3rd row seats in use all the time - so it would be good for the rear seat passengers to have a little more volume. Not really fussed on upgrading to the harmon/kardon system (which I think you mentioned earlier in this post would require a retro fit of the fibre optic). Do you know if its possible to add some extra speakers in with the current wiring?
There is no wiring in place for the sub or surround speakers in the cars with Base audio, and the head unit has the audio amplifier built into it, and only 4 channels, something like 20W each, that's not really going to work well driving additional speakers.

In principle you could fit the d-pillar speakers (and the subwoofer in the tailgate) but you would need an external amplifier to run them, something aftermarket, not OEM as they only run on the MOST fibre optic network. A half-decent car audio shop could do something like that.

I would use the OEM sub and d-pillars though, it's easier that way.

A couple of years back I helped out a guy doing an aftermarket stereo install in a Freelander2, he got the factory subwoofer from a wreck and ran it from an aftermarket amp, worked out well because it fit in the available space perfectly.

[shanegtr]

That's what I thought may be the case. The factory D pillar speaker trim and speaker would be ideal to use. I'm thinking of using an aftermarket head unit anyway so that'll make running extra speakers easier

[wolfeyez]

I can, but I'd be surprised if the Incontrol Apps is only a software change, on the earlier cars it's an additional module & cables.
Cool[bigsmile], I read on a DS Russian and UK forum that it can be. I'll send you a pm. cheers!

[mvelasco]

Anyone else interested in this? Fitting missing factory options to newer Land Rovers?

So far I've done the following;

2008 Freelander 2
Upgraded to 14-speaker Surround Sound from 9-speaker Midline
Retrofitted factory bluetooth phone system
Retrofitted factory DAB+ digital radio

2015 Freelander 2
Upgraded to 17-speaker Meridian Surround Sound from 11-speaker Meridian
Retrofitted factory DAB+ digital radio
Retrofitted TPMS system

Have also done similar upgrades on Jag XF's and XK's

This sort of thing can also be done on the Disco 3 & 4, Range Rover Sport, other models too. Plus heaps more like the Digital TV, rear entertainment, and so on.

All as per factory fitment, the integration is seamless.

Not everything is economically viable to do, but it's all technically possible.

I can't be the only geek who's into this sort of thing...

Hi Cambo,

Im awaiting my Discovery Sport HSE this week. Im still not 100% sure what audio i will be getting, but im definitely looking forward to an audio upgrade, meridian surround if possible, im thinking TPMS as well, and perhaps any other updates that require only CCF changes. Still need to find someone with IID tool where i live.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Hi Cambo,

Im awaiting my Discovery Sport HSE this week. Im still not 100% sure what audio i will be getting, but im definitely looking forward to an audio upgrade, meridian surround if possible, im thinking TPMS as well, and perhaps any other updates that require only CCF changes. Still need to find someone with IID tool where i live.
Welcome to the forum, and congratulations on the Disco Sport.

However i'm afraid if you're looking to upgrade the audio system, you are going to be disappointed.

First of all, there is no aftermarket diagnostic support for the Discovery Sport, IID Tool, Nanocom, etc, none of them support the L550 yet, as far as I know, only SDD and Pathfinder (JLR dealer tools) can work with the L550...

Secondly, the infotainment systems in the L550 are totally different to the earlier models, they use the Next Generation (NGI & NLI) systems, which are very unfriendly...

Depending on which model year and specification, you could have one of three possible systems;

Base audio for all years, the NLI system, uses the "AHU" Audio Head Unit. Cannot be upgraded to Premium/Surround.
Also be aware that one version of this is branded as 380W Meridian, which cannot be upgraded to the 825W Meridian Surround.

Meridian 825W system to 2016MY was the same IAM2.1 system as the earlier cars, not much to upgrade there, also it seems relatively few cars got this system from the factory.

Meridian 825W system from 2017MY uses the NGI system, with the IMC Infotainment Master Controller.
There is supposedly a 380W version of this system but I have never seen a car with it fitted.

The branding is version confusing... three different systems called Meridian

INCONTROL TOUCH MERIDIAN® SOUND, 380W
[ENHANCED SOUND SYSTEM (L2) "NLI HEAD UNIT LEVEL C"]
== Note that in the F-Pace this is called BRANDED SOUND SYS (L3), but it's the same as (L2) in the L550

INCONTROL TOUCH PRO MERIDIAN® DIGITAL SOUND, 380W
[BRANDED SOUND SYS (L3) "NGI HEAD UNIT - HIGH"]

INCONTROL TOUCH PRO - MERIDIAN® DIGITAL SURROUND SOUND 825W
[BRANDED SURROUND SOUND SYS(L4) "NGI HEAD UNIT - HIGH"]

If you're buying a Disco Sport, new Disco 5 or a new Range Rover, you want the INCONTROL TOUCH PRO -MERIDIAN® DIGITAL SURROUND, because upgrading from the lower spec Meridian is not worth it...

Sorry!

[mvelasco]

Welcome to the forum, and congratulations on the Disco Sport.

However i'm afraid if you're looking to upgrade the audio system, you are going to be disappointed.

First of all, there is no aftermarket diagnostic support for the Discovery Sport, IID Tool, Nanocom, etc, none of them support the L550 yet, as far as I know, only SDD and Pathfinder (JLR dealer tools) can work with the L550...

Secondly, the infotainment systems in the L550 are totally different to the earlier models, they use the Next Generation (NGI & NLI) systems, which are very unfriendly...

Depending on which model year and specification, you could have one of three possible systems;

Base audio for all years, the NLI system, uses the "AHU" Audio Head Unit. Cannot be upgraded to Premium/Surround.
Also be aware that one version of this is branded as 380W Meridian, which cannot be upgraded to the 825W Meridian Surround.

Meridian 825W system to 2016MY was the same IAM2.1 system as the earlier cars, not much to upgrade there, also it seems relatively few cars got this system from the factory.

Meridian 825W system from 2017MY uses the NGI system, with the IMC Infotainment Master Controller.
There is supposedly a 380W version of this system but I have never seen a car with it fitted.

The branding is version confusing... three different systems called Meridian

INCONTROL TOUCH MERIDIAN® SOUND, 380W
[ENHANCED SOUND SYSTEM (L2) "NLI HEAD UNIT LEVEL C"]
== Note that in the F-Pace this is called BRANDED SOUND SYS (L3), but it's the same as (L2) in the L550

INCONTROL TOUCH PRO MERIDIAN® DIGITAL SOUND, 380W
[BRANDED SOUND SYS (L3) "NGI HEAD UNIT - HIGH"]

INCONTROL TOUCH PRO - MERIDIAN® DIGITAL SURROUND SOUND 825W
[BRANDED SURROUND SOUND SYS(L4) "NGI HEAD UNIT - HIGH"]

If you're buying a Disco Sport, new Disco 5 or a new Range Rover, you want the INCONTROL TOUCH PRO -MERIDIAN® DIGITAL SURROUND, because upgrading from the lower spec Meridian is not worth it...

Sorry!

Wow! Didnt know any of this... i was under the assumption that depending on the amp i might be able to just do the whole amp switcheroo, so i was more concerned with speaker quality and whether the stock ones would be reusable or not... regarding iid, i read the following thread:

IID Bluetooth Diagnostic Tool - Discovery Sport Forums (https://www.discosportforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5617&hilit=iid)

They seem to confirm that iid would work on DS... its surprising that the website doesnt actually show any info on this.

I will do some research and then post pictures of the hardware on the car when i get it. Thanks!

[mvelasco]

I just checked online with the VIN no:

NLI HEAD UNIT LEVEL C

SOUND SYSTEM - MID PERFORMANCE

So according to your post, i have the base audio system branded as Meridian 380w right? If im not mistaken, this cannot be upgraded to premium of surround? Why would that be? Are the hardware parts locked or such, or is the amp built in to the Audio head unit?

Would you suggest going aftermarket instead? i assume i could find some sort of aftermarket 11 speaker amp (10 + sub) that would produce some outstanding sound?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Wow! Didnt know any of this... i was under the assumption that depending on the amp i might be able to just do the whole amp switcheroo.
That was possible with the older cars using the IAM2.1 and MMM2 infotainment, but the new NLI & NLI systems are totally different.


so i was more concerned with speaker quality and whether the stock ones would be reusable or not...
To be honest the speakers in the Disco Sport (and the Jag F-Pace, XE and new XF, all the same) are absolute garbage compared to the earlier model JLR vehicles and at the very least I would recommend a speaker upgrade if you are on the hunt for better sound.

At the moment it appears that the (very good) Bowers & Wilkins branded door bass speakers from the 2008-2011 Jaguar XF will fit in these cars, with the addition of a spacer ring. The other dimensions & connectors are the same. The midrange speakers in the DS (and F-Pace, XE, XF) are 80mm diameter instead of the 100mm from earlier models, however there is a factory 80mm speaker which should fit, from the rear seat speakers of the Range Rovers and Jag XJ with the Meridian Reference systems...

Not sure about the tweeters yet but in my experience the tweeters are of the least concern.

I can tell you that the factory surround speakers in the DS and F-Pace are the same as the earlier vehicles from 2012-on, like the Disco 4, XJ, XF, etc...


regarding iid, i read the following thread:

IID Bluetooth Diagnostic Tool - Discovery Sport Forums (https://www.discosportforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5617&hilit=iid)

They seem to confirm that iid would work on DS... its surprising that the website doesnt actually show any info on this.

I will do some research and then post pictures of the hardware on the car when i get it. Thanks!
I guess they will eventually get around to making it work, but I don't use GAP or Blackbox tools, so personally i haven't got a stake in what they can or cannot do.


I just checked online with the VIN no:

NLI HEAD UNIT LEVEL C

SOUND SYSTEM - MID PERFORMANCE

So according to your post, i have the base audio system branded as Meridian 380w right? If im not mistaken, this cannot be upgraded to premium of surround? Why would that be? Are the hardware parts locked or such, or is the amp built in to the Audio head unit?

Would you suggest going aftermarket instead? i assume i could find some sort of aftermarket 11 speaker amp (10 + sub) that would produce some outstanding sound?
Yes the NLI Level C is either branded Meridian 380W or just a "Land Rover" system. Cannot be upgraded to surround.

The hardware is totally different, different head unit, different amplifier, different wiring, different touchscreen even. I have looked into this upgrade for a couple of DS and F-Pace owners, you have to rip the whole car apart, change just about all the wiring, and almost all of the components from the infotainment system. Simply not worth it...

The other problem is that the NLI & NGI systems no longer use the MOST fibre optic network, the communications network is Ethernet. So the existing interfaces to fit an aftermarket amplifier to a factory head unit (like the MoBridge) aren't compatible. At best I guess you could add an aftermarket amplifier with speaker-level inputs, being fed from the factory amp, but that's about it...

[mvelasco]

That was possible with the older cars using the IAM2.1 and MMM2 infotainment, but the new NLI & NLI systems are totally different.


To be honest the speakers in the Disco Sport (and the Jag F-Pace, XE and new XF, all the same) are absolute garbage compared to the earlier model JLR vehicles and at the very least I would recommend a speaker upgrade if you are on the hunt for better sound.

At the moment it appears that the (very good) Bowers & Wilkins branded door bass speakers from the 2008-2011 Jaguar XF will fit in these cars, with the addition of a spacer ring. The other dimensions & connectors are the same. The midrange speakers in the DS (and F-Pace, XE, XF) are 80mm diameter instead of the 100mm from earlier models, however there is a factory 80mm speaker which should fit, from the rear seat speakers of the Range Rovers and Jag XJ with the Meridian Reference systems...

Not sure about the tweeters yet but in my experience the tweeters are of the least concern.

I can tell you that the factory surround speakers in the DS and F-Pace are the same as the earlier vehicles from 2012-on, like the Disco 4, XJ, XF, etc...


I guess they will eventually get around to making it work, but I don't use GAP or Blackbox tools, so personally i haven't got a stake in what they can or cannot do.


Yes the NLI Level C is either branded Meridian 380W or just a "Land Rover" system. Cannot be upgraded to surround.

The hardware is totally different, different head unit, different amplifier, different wiring, different touchscreen even. I have looked into this upgrade for a couple of DS and F-Pace owners, you have to rip the whole car apart, change just about all the wiring, and almost all of the components from the infotainment system. Simply not worth it...

The other problem is that the NLI & NGI systems no longer use the MOST fibre optic network, the communications network is Ethernet. So the existing interfaces to fit an aftermarket amplifier to a factory head unit (like the MoBridge) aren't compatible. At best I guess you could add an aftermarket amplifier with speaker-level inputs, being fed from the factory amp, but that's about it...

I see. My route will be to sound deaden using dynamat, and then upgrade the speakers and sub. You mentioned some OEM speakers but i was thinking of maybe going aftermarket, would that work? What do you think about TPMS retrofit? Do you use official LR tools for CCF editing? If you ever take a vacation to Peru let me know and maybe we can make a deal!

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I see. My route will be to sound deaden using dynamat, and then upgrade the speakers and sub. You mentioned some OEM speakers but i was thinking of maybe going aftermarket, would that work? What do you think about TPMS retrofit? Do you use official LR tools for CCF editing? If you ever take a vacation to Peru let me know and maybe we can make a deal!
Sure, there is no reason why you can't use aftermarket speakers, so long as you match the impedence of the factory units.

But for me personally I don't like cutting wires, or cutting/drilling metal in these cars, any modification should be reversible. That's just my philosophy. You won't find an aftermarket speaker that is a direct fit, you will need to cut wires or make other changes that are going to be kind of permanent.

Plus my only experience with using aftermarket speakers with factory audio systems was less than encouraging, it just did not sound as good as factory speakers...

The B&W speakers from the 2008-2011 Jag XF are freakin awesome.

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That's a factory "Meridian" speaker on the left, Bowers & Wilkins on the right, you can see the difference, let alone hear it!

I suppose a TPMS retrofit would be possible in the DS, same like we did in the Freelander2 & Disco4.
But to be honest the current tally of TPMS retrofit vs. TPMS disable has now swung over to the disable side.
5x TPMS systems retrofitted, 7x TPMS systems disabled. They are a real pain in the backside when they decide to stop working....

I've never been to South America, buy me a ticket and i'll come visit!

[mvelasco]

Sure, there is no reason why you can't use aftermarket speakers, so long as you match the impedence of the factory units.

But for me personally I don't like cutting wires, or cutting/drilling metal in these cars, any modification should be reversible. That's just my philosophy. You won't find an aftermarket speaker that is a direct fit, you will need to cut wires or make other changes that are going to be kind of permanent.

Plus my only experience with using aftermarket speakers with factory audio systems was less than encouraging, it just did not sound as good as factory speakers...

The B&W speakers from the 2008-2011 Jag XF are freakin awesome.

127238

That's a factory "Meridian" speaker on the left, Bowers & Wilkins on the right, you can see the difference, let alone hear it!

I suppose a TPMS retrofit would be possible in the DS, same like we did in the Freelander2 & Disco4.
But to be honest the current tally of TPMS retrofit vs. TPMS disable has now swung over to the disable side.
5x TPMS systems retrofitted, 7x TPMS systems disabled. They are a real pain in the backside when they decide to stop working....

I've never been to South America, buy me a ticket and i'll come visit!

The factory Meridian speaker in the picture is the one thats installed on my cars system? Or the one thats installed on the Meridian Surround system? Are they the same?

Good to know about the B&W, those speakers are cheaper than i thought id need, seem pretty available on ebay as well.

Have you retrofitted the B&W speaker to a 380W "meridian" system? Im just wondering if the impedance is the same, and wether the "meridian" 380w amp can power the B&W speakers which were made to be paired with the 1200w amp in the jag. I know it would depend on the watts per channel and such, but anyways ive cant find the tech info anywhere on the web.
Getting to/from Australia-South America is extremely expensive, last time i checked it was around USD 2000 + 30 hour plane trip [bigsad]

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

The "Meridian" speaker in that picture is from a 2013-2015 Jaguar XF, it's basically the same speaker that's used in the DS, just the housing changed a little bit. You can see a newer Jaguar XE speaker here 2015 JAGUAR XE Door Speaker GX73-18808-DB | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2015-JAGUAR-XE-Door-Speaker-GX73-18808-DB-/302260322775) this is the same as what's in the DS.

The size, the shape of the mounting flange, and the connector are the same, but the case is "taller" I guess to allow clearance inside the door cavity. So the Bowers & Wilkins speaker from the XF would be a swap, however a spacer would have to made to get it at the same height.

Impedence of the B&W speakers is 2ohm, all JLR speakers are 2ohm actually. Do not worry about the power ratings, actually the power ratings are just marketing, the real power outputs are very different, these B&W speakers will handle any factory system just fine. So far we put them in several Jag XF and F-Type, big improvement to the sound regardless of which amp/system.

[mvelasco]

The "Meridian" speaker in that picture is from a 2013-2015 Jaguar XF, it's basically the same speaker that's used in the DS, just the housing changed a little bit. You can see a newer Jaguar XE speaker here 2015 JAGUAR XE Door Speaker GX73-18808-DB | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2015-JAGUAR-XE-Door-Speaker-GX73-18808-DB-/302260322775) this is the same as what's in the DS.

The size, the shape of the mounting flange, and the connector are the same, but the case is "taller" I guess to allow clearance inside the door cavity. So the Bowers & Wilkins speaker from the XF would be a swap, however a spacer would have to made to get it at the same height.

Impedence of the B&W speakers is 2ohm, all JLR speakers are 2ohm actually. Do not worry about the power ratings, actually the power ratings are just marketing, the real power outputs are very different, these B&W speakers will handle any factory system just fine. So far we put them in several Jag XF and F-Type, big improvement to the sound regardless of which amp/system.

Awesome info. Ive been re-reading all youve mentioned and noticed that the midrange 100m from B&W wont fit... so i went on the search for the 80mm speaker you mentioned but cant find a part number to it, got any leads? would you recommend any oem subwoofer/aftermarket sub? Thanks for all your help!

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Well actually after a bit more research it would appear that the B&W bass speakers from the 2008-2011 XF will be a direct fit to the L550, no spacers needed, it's only the XE, new XF and F-Pace that have these odd taller bass speakers...

Here is a set of factory speakers from a 2016 L550;

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You see the bass speakers are the same shape as the B&W ones.

Also here is the factory 80mm midrange from the L550 (and other models);

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You see it's a paper/cardboard driver.

Here are the 80mm rear seat speakers from the Meridian Reference/Signature system in the L405, L494 and X351 XJ

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You see they have a fabric cone/driver. The part number for these is LR033290

The factory sub in the L550 is a strange unit, although in the Meridian documents it does look like the same one that's in the L405, and it appears that there is an "improved" version of this for the Meridian Signature / Reference system, there is a heatsink on the magnet in the Signature / Reference system, in the Meridian documents anyhow.

This is the picture of the sub in the L550 and L405;

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And this is the one from the L405 Signature / Reference system
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No idea if that's actually what it looks like, never trust what you see in the brochure hahaha!

[mvelasco]

Well actually after a bit more research it would appear that the B&W bass speakers from the 2008-2011 XF will be a direct fit to the L550, no spacers needed, it's only the XE, new XF and F-Pace that have these odd taller bass speakers...

Here is a set of factory speakers from a 2016 L550;

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You see the bass speakers are the same shape as the B&W ones.

Also here is the factory 80mm midrange from the L550 (and other models);

127290

You see it's a paper/cardboard driver.

Here are the 80mm rear seat speakers from the Meridian Reference/Signature system in the L405, L494 and X351 XJ

127291

You see they have a fabric cone/driver. The part number for these is LR033290

The factory sub in the L550 is a strange unit, although in the Meridian documents it does look like the same one that's in the L405, and it appears that there is an "improved" version of this for the Meridian Signature / Reference system, there is a heatsink on the magnet in the Signature / Reference system, in the Meridian documents anyhow.

This is the picture of the sub in the L550 and L405;

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And this is the one from the L405 Signature / Reference system
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No idea if that's actually what it looks like, never trust what you see in the brochure hahaha!


Thanks for all your help Cambo. Could not have compiled the necessary info without your help. Heres a summary of the upgrade so far:


Tweeters (Possibly Replace, still wondering if i should replace, or maybe not too much benefit)
Option 1: Keep stock, are these aluminum as well?
Option 2: B&W 08-11 XF (8X23-18808-CB ) (Aluminum Dome)


Mids (Replacing for sure)
Option 1: Meridian Signature/Reference (LR033290)


Bass (Replacing for sure)
Option 1: B&W 08-11 XF (8X23-18808-AB )


Sub (Will be part of upgrade stage 2 if necessary)
Option 1: Keep stock, add custom box
Option 2: Meridian Signature Sub (LR035187) (add custom box?)


Other (For sure)
Dynamat on doors and trunk to reduce cabin noise to help low powered amp 380w.


I cant seem to find much information on L550, most part sellers dont list the model, if they do, theres absolutely nothing regarding audio/speakers, and on topix i have limited access. Where do you get your info? Topix with Authorized Repairer access?


What do you think of this upgrade?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I would leave the tweeters, as far as i can tell they are the same as other Meridian cars with aluminium cone.

The midrange and bass speakers for the doors are pretty clear.

I really can't comment on the subwoofer, apart from it does appear that the L550 and L405 ones are interchangeable.
Will the Reference/Signature one from the L405 be better? I don't know... maybe it's meant to take more power, which you aren't going to get with the stock amp... And as for a custom enclosure, again I can't say anything either way about that...

Topix, Microcat, calling in a lot of favours, some inside contacts, it takes a while to find out all this stuff.
Experience comes into it as well, i've done a lot of upgrades on late model JLR vehicles now, so you learn a lot as you go.

[mvelasco]

I would leave the tweeters, as far as i can tell they are the same as other Meridian cars with aluminium cone.

The midrange and bass speakers for the doors are pretty clear.

I really can't comment on the subwoofer, apart from it does appear that the L550 and L405 ones are interchangeable.
Will the Reference/Signature one from the L405 be better? I don't know... maybe it's meant to take more power, which you aren't going to get with the stock amp... And as for a custom enclosure, again I can't say anything either way about that...

Topix, Microcat, calling in a lot of favours, some inside contacts, it takes a while to find out all this stuff.
Experience comes into it as well, i've done a lot of upgrades on late model JLR vehicles now, so you learn a lot as you go.

I came across some tech sheets id neve seen before, not exactly for DS but for the very similar evoque:

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[mvelasco]

Finally got the car yesterday, audio is pretty good, better than expected, though i do see room for improvement, i definitely think i hear a sub woofer working. EDIT: Actually after further analisis, im not sure there is a subwoofer in my car... ive been trying some audio tests and i can hear frequencies as low as 28hz, but the seem to be comming from the base speakers... algo when i put my ear to where the sub is supposed to be (in the trunk on driver side), i cant hear a thing...

I sneaked a picture of the AHU/Amp, have no idea what it is, doesnt look like the older hardware ive seen before... i cant seem to find any seat removal guies...

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This is the sub on Jag XF premium systems:

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So the sub has 8db more of sensitivity and everything else almost the same. Im mostly worried about linear excursion, id be looking to get a used one on ebay and attempt the retrofit. If it works this should translate to a pretty good improvement of the stock sub...

[mvelasco]

INCONTROL TOUCH MERIDIAN® SOUND, 380W
[ENHANCED SOUND SYSTEM (L2) "NLI HEAD UNIT LEVEL C"]
== Note that in the F-Pace this is called BRANDED SOUND SYS (L3), but it's the same as (L2) in the L550




Hey Cambo,

According to TOPix this is whats installed, however im not sure i feel a sub in the trunk. Do you have any schematics of how to get to it?

[guthrie]

Do you have any schematics of how to get to it?

Hi Mvelasco

I have a Discovery Sport on order... so Im following your upgrades with interest.

I found the Topix pdfs on the UK Discosport forum.

Of relevance for you I found pdfs for the Infotainment details 127593,

Subwoofer removal 127592

and Trim removal in the loadspace area 127591.

[mvelasco]

Hi Mvelasco

I have a Discovery Sport on order... so Im following your upgrades with interest.

I found the Topix pdfs on the UK Discosport forum.

Of relevance for you I found pdfs for the Infotainment details 127593,

Subwoofer removal 127592

and Trim removal in the loadspace area 127591.


Hi Guthrie,

Awesome info, i also have an account on that forum but didnt look hard enough i guess.

After reading about the infotainment on the PDFs im a bit heartbroken. Comparing the Amp pictures on the PDF with the picture i took, it appears i have the E167298 Audio Amplifier Module, which is specified for the 190-250W system, and since i cant seem to hear a sub, im thinking ive got the 190w :S

Im still going ahead with the mods proposed by Cambo. I do feel that the bass speakers are the weakest point of the whole setup, so im thinking the swap will make a substantial improvement. Ill be waiting on the sub tho as im not sure if it would be plug and play.

I recently bought a full set of used speakers from the jaguar xf 09-11 (8X23-18808-AB / C2Z3438) on ebay:

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I wont be using them all but this whole package cost the same as buying 4 used bass speakers individually. I have also ordered the meridian midranges LR033290 from lrdirect.

Hopefully in the future, some sort of retrofit option will appear so i can push those speakers a bit more and add a sub...

EDIT:

Ive realized the following:

Opt 1: The E167298 amp is a 190w-250w amp, but the 250W is branded as INCONTROL TOUCH MERIDIAN® SOUND, 380W.
Opt 2: The E167299 amp is a 250w amp, and is branded as INCONTROL TOUCH PRO MERIDIAN® DIGITAL SOUND, 380W.

The difference between these two being the DIGITAL keyword, as option 2 uses the MOST bus. If im correct, Cambo mentioned that there arent that many discos built using the E167299?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

After reading about the infotainment on the PDFs im a bit heartbroken. Comparing the Amp pictures on the PDF with the picture i took, it appears i have the E167298 Audio Amplifier Module, which is specified for the 190-250W system, and since i cant seem to hear a sub, im thinking ive got the 190w :S

So it's the 10-speaker system then? I guess it will be possible to change the amp and add the subwoofer, if that's the case. But you will need a means of editing the CCF to do so...


Im still going ahead with the mods proposed by Cambo. I do feel that the bass speakers are the weakest point of the whole setup, so im thinking the swap will make a substantial improvement. Ill be waiting on the sub tho as im not sure if it would be plug and play.
Won't be plug & play, you will need the CCF changed to enable the sub.


Ive realized the following:

Opt 1: The E167298 amp is a 190w-250w amp, but the 250W is branded as INCONTROL TOUCH MERIDIAN® SOUND, 380W.
Opt 2: The E167299 amp is a 250w amp, and is branded as INCONTROL TOUCH PRO MERIDIAN® DIGITAL SOUND, 380W.

The difference between these two being the DIGITAL keyword, as option 2 uses the MOST bus. If im correct, Cambo mentioned that there arent that many discos built using the E167299?
Not it is not MOST, it's the ethernet system. Only the very first of the L550's with 825W Meridian Surround had MOST...

You will be able to add the sub if it's missing, but it will need the different amplifier and a CCF change.

[noone]

Hi Guthrie,

Awesome info, i also have an account on that forum but didnt look hard enough i guess.

After reading about the infotainment on the PDFs im a bit heartbroken. Comparing the Amp pictures on the PDF with the picture i took, it appears i have the E167298 Audio Amplifier Module, which is specified for the 190-250W system, and since i cant seem to hear a sub, im thinking ive got the 190w :S

Im still going ahead with the mods proposed by Cambo. I do feel that the bass speakers are the weakest point of the whole setup, so im thinking the swap will make a substantial improvement. Ill be waiting on the sub tho as im not sure if it would be plug and play.

I recently bought a full set of used speakers from the jaguar xf 09-11 (8X23-18808-AB / C2Z3438) on ebay:

127610

I wont be using them all but this whole package cost the same as buying 4 used bass speakers individually. I have also ordered the meridian midranges LR033290 from lrdirect.

Hopefully in the future, some sort of retrofit option will appear so i can push those speakers a bit more and add a sub...

EDIT:

Ive realized the following:

Opt 1: The E167298 amp is a 190w-250w amp, but the 250W is branded as INCONTROL TOUCH MERIDIAN® SOUND, 380W.
Opt 2: The E167299 amp is a 250w amp, and is branded as INCONTROL TOUCH PRO MERIDIAN® DIGITAL SOUND, 380W.

The difference between these two being the DIGITAL keyword, as option 2 uses the MOST bus. If im correct, Cambo mentioned that there arent that many discos built using the E167299?

Hi mvelasco, I'll be following your footsteps if all goes well! Are you going to DIY or get a car audio shop to install it?

Is there an instruction on how to remove panels to get access to the speakers?

[guthrie]

Is there an instruction on how to remove panels to get access to the speakers?

It doesnt look too hard to get the door panels off - see here 128351

[noone]

It doesnt look too hard to get the door panels off - see here 128351

Cheers for that.

Doesn't look too complicated but still a bit daunting for me haha I always tend to break the plastic bits.

I do notice they say to discard the retaining clips and install a new one. Maybe they are designed to be installed once.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

This might be interesting for some people, I was able to get the speed and redlight cameras added to the nav system in the IAM2.1.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/08/985.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/08/986.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/08/987.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170828/63003fc9e7e6f6315ec9ab1a05486f3f.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170828/584ef05e932f802ec280c4b23e8883ad.jpg

Was not exactly straight forward, the IAM2.1 is a bit finicky as to which files it will accept, and I had to draw all new icons in order for them to be the same size as the factory icons, and to be legible.

But, there is now Australia-wide coverage of speed cameras, red light cameras, combined speed & red light cameras, variable speed zones (e.g. school zones) and the nice part is there is a different icon for each, the icon shows the speed limit that the camera is checking for, 110, 100, 90, 80, 70, 60, 50, 40

This is straight upload for 2014MY onward vehicles, and the software in the IAM can be updated in the earlier cars to enable this as well.

So...

2014MY D4 is a direct upload, the 2012-2013MY D4 needs a software update.
L320 Range Rover Sport from 2012-2013MY needs an update, the L494 RRS from 2014MY accepts it as is.

And so on...

[LRD414]

So is it a file you are selling for download Cambo?

I have an MY14 D4

Cheers,
Scott

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Will PM you Scott.

[mvelasco]

Hi mvelasco, I'll be following your footsteps if all goes well! Are you going to DIY or get a car audio shop to install it?

Is there an instruction on how to remove panels to get access to the speakers?


Hi noone, good to hear, make sure you share your experience/results in the future. Im still waiting on some of the speakers to arrive from overseas, so i dont have any progress to report.

Initially i was gonna go the DIY route, but im afraid my lack of experience could end up with me messing something up, taking far too long, or unable to put things back together properly. Also when it comes to applying the dynamat im thinking an experienced installer would yield better results and more efficient use of time.

Im thinking the more challenging part may be getting the shop to understand what im trying to do, and keep them from insisting on installing spacers, or making modifications to the vehicle. So im thinking i will just shop around and try to find someone that understands what im trying to do and has an open mind. Also, i have an almond interior, which means i have to be extra careful and get the right person for the job.

[sniegy]

Cam,
Just read through 14 pages of this thread & remembered when the Discovery 4 was released. A few months passed & people wanted to update/upgrade their tiny screen to the touch screen & nav systems & have not seen a thread at all on it....or missed it with googley eyes now [tonguewink]

Have you done a monochrome small screen upgrade to a touchscreen with nav to 10/11 MY as they have the same wiring architecture?

Cheers

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Cam,
Just read through 14 pages of this thread & remembered when the Discovery 4 was released. A few months passed & people wanted to update/upgrade their tiny screen to the touch screen & nav systems & have not seen a thread at all on it....or missed it with googley eyes now [tonguewink]

Have you done a monochrome small screen upgrade to a touchscreen with nav to 10/11 MY as they have the same wiring architecture?

Cheers
I haven't done it myself, however with the 2010-2011 you might be in luck.

The touchscreen in these cars is basically a standalone unit, and I've seen some people over in the UK have even retrofitted the screen from the 10-11 D4 into an earlier D3.

Unlike the earlier or later infotainment systems, the "brains" are in the screen itself.

There are a couple of issues though.

You need to get a screen from an Australian car, there are different version for different markets. Also the maps for the nav are stored in a drive inside the screen itself.

You will struggle to get any updated maps too, since updates are only possible using the special hard drive tool that the dealers have, and I don't have one of those, they cost $3000 to buy...

If you wanted to add the screen to get the better infotainment interface, 4x4 info and so on, it could be worthwhile. But for maps you will be stuck with whatever is in there.

Finding an Australian screen at a "reasonable" price might also be a challenge.

But it's not impossible to retrofit.

[guthrie]

I can, but I'd be surprised if the Incontrol Apps is only a software change, on the earlier cars it's an additional module & cables.

Hi Cambo,
Did you work out what is required to add Incontrol Apps on an Disco Sport?
thanks

[rar110]

G’day Cam
Last night I started looking at the gear you sent.
I also checked the CCF on the IID Tool, and confirmed there are 3 options for turning on SAT radio. Ta Pete

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Hi Cambo,
Did you work out what is required to add Incontrol Apps on an Disco Sport?
thanks
Hi mate, according to the Russians, it's only software / CCF change in the Disco Sport, but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet.


G’day Cam
Last night I started looking at the gear you sent.
I also checked the CCF on the IID Tool, and confirmed there are 3 options for turning on SAT radio. Ta Pete
Cheers mate, very curious to see how it goes.

[loanrangie]

This weekend I will be adding an aux input to my base head unit' actually adding 3 in the form of 1 front ,1 rear and a spare input for a future mod.

[veebs]

So I have the navigation / rear camera touch screen in my D4, but i don't get the details of the audio system showing on the smaller B&W screen near the speedo/tacho. Does anyone know if it's possible to add that somehow?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

This weekend I will be adding an aux input to my base head unit' actually adding 3 in the form of 1 front ,1 rear and a spare input for a future mod.
What did you do, just wire in some 3.5mm sockets?


So I have the navigation / rear camera touch screen in my D4, but i don't get the details of the audio system showing on the smaller B&W screen near the speedo/tacho. Does anyone know if it's possible to add that somehow?
I don't think that's something that can be "turned on", I don't recall seeing it as an option in the CCF anyhow. Usually things like that are in the actual software of the instrument cluster. Say for example it's different hardware & software in the instrument cluster of a 2010-2011 D4, vs. a 2012-onward, probably different again from 2014-onward.

[loanrangie]

What did you do, just wire in some 3.5mm sockets?

Yes, found some info on disco3 forum and a member here who did it to his D3. Just hooking into the factory wiring that is already there minus the socket.

[mvelasco]

Hi All,

First the bad news, the speakers i ordered from Ebay USA have been stuck in customs. Originally customs asked for more paperwork, but recently i found out that used car parts are not allowed to be imported into my country. Im down to a miracle (maybe they dont notice that the speakers are car parts?). Most likely they will be denied entry and sent back to USA, which at least means i will not be installing the midbass speakers anytime soon, perhaps if lucky sometime in the next 6 months...

So after this heartbreak I did decide to go ahead and install the 80mm midrange speakers i ordered (brand new). I have only installed one of the two so far... here are some pics:


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The original speaker is on the left, it is taller/deeper. I was not expecting this. Default speaker weight 193g, new speaker 161g (Should speakers be judged by weight? Probably not considering other factors that could influence weight). The default speaker does come in a bigger metal enclosure, so i think that might be the cause of a higher weight. At this point i was wondering if the the new part was an upgrade or a downgrade...

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It is not a 100% exact fit, the default speaker enclosure/structure has concave edges where the screws are placed, and the door card has some plastic parts which fit snug into those concave openings. The new speaker does fit, but you do end up bending the plastic when you tighten the screws. So i guess part of the speaker edges are not pressed snug against the door card? Im guerssing its not that big of a deal...

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Is the default speaker better than the "upgraded" part or not? I tried o compare by price but couldnt, I searched the part number of the default speaker but couldnt find de LR part number.

Sound tests: I only got one speaker replaced so far, i think the new upgraded part sounds better, though this is obviously completely subjective. I think the new speaker has a broader range while the original sounds flat? Im no sound expert, but i think the original speaker sort of plays all frequencies it receives in a narrower range? Say the input is frequencies between 200hz and 10khz, maybe the ouput is "compressed" into 600hz and 8khz? So i do think the new speaker sound is broader/better, so far i would say potential improvement is somewhere between 10-30%... to be confirmed.

I will be installing the second one later today or tomorrow and will update my sound test results... In the end after a couple of days of real world driving and listening to music i should have a final verdict.... cheers!

[noone]

Sorry to hear the bad news mvelasco. Hope they manage to slip your one through..

Regarding the new speakers, it does look weird that the supposedly better version is smaller and lighter.

Good luck on the other half of the install and take lots of pictures please. Might help me for future reference :)

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

That's a bummer about the customs problems...

Regarding your concern about the speakers;

The weight is not something to consider on it's own, the Meridian Signature speakers have a plastic frame which is much lighter than the metal one... also the weight of the magnet is not the whole story, cheap magnet can be twice as heavy, but only half as strong.

The standard speakers are made in China, have a paper & rubber cone, cost about 20 cents to make and retail for $40

The Meridian Signature speakers are made in Slovakia, have a kevlar weave cone, and retail for $60, they cost about $5 to make, not 20 cents like the Chinese ones.

There is a reason they are used in the Meridian Signature system in the Range Rovers.

Not a downgrade by any means...

[mvelasco]

That's a bummer about the customs problems...

Regarding your concern about the speakers;

The weight is not something to consider on it's own, the Meridian Signature speakers have a plastic frame which is much lighter than the metal one... also the weight of the magnet is not the whole story, cheap magnet can be twice as heavy, but only half as strong.

The standard speakers are made in China, have a paper & rubber cone, cost about 20 cents to make and retail for $40

The Meridian Signature speakers are made in Slovakia, have a kevlar weave cone, and retail for $60, they cost about $5 to make, not 20 cents like the Chinese ones.

There is a reason they are used in the Meridian Signature system in the Range Rovers.

Not a downgrade by any means...


Thanks for the info Cambo. I do notice an improvement, but right now the bass is so muddy that it just dulls everything. Once i get the new bass speakers and the dynamat things should come to life. Still it is definitely reasurring to know more details about the upgraded mid-level speakers.


Ive been researching some things and came across some interesting info. I noticed in the Infotainment General PDF from Topix, under section Overview, it says:


InControl Touch 6 speaker audio system with integrated 4 channel audio amplifier
InControl Touch 10 speaker 190W audio system with external 8 channel Audio Amplifier Module (AAM)
InControl Touch 11 speaker 250W audio system with external 8 channel AAM and sub-woofer.


Notice the 10 speaker setup mentions "... with external 8 channel Audio Amplifier Module (AAM)", it mentions 8 channels, same number of channels as the 11 speaker 250w system. Now on the wiring schematic, only six channels are shown as wired to the speakers (using crossovers to feed the full 10 speakers):

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So what happened to the two left over channels? Also, looking at the wiring schematic for the 11 speaker system, the wiring shows 10 channels, one for each of the 10 speakers (there should be only 8 channels tho), no crossovers, an entire channel for a tweeter? and no channels for the sub? (unless im making a mistake, i think this is mistake in the schematic). Heres the pic:


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Im thinking the 2 unused channels on the 10 speaker systems amp would typically be used to wire the sub. And the schematic for the 11 speaker system might be wrong? I have a hypothesis and it has wishful thinking written all over it... but could it be the same amplifier on both systems? Im thinking it wouldnt make sense for the dealer to have to rewire all the speakers just for a Sub upgrade would it?


In any case, i've also noticed something that might have me pumped for a possible stage 2 upgrade down the road. Here is a picture of the schematics for "InControl Touch - 10-Speaker system" from the Wiring section on Topix.

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Im looking at this, and im thinking that it might be possible to disconnect the stock amp completely, and install an aftermarket amp with speaker level inputs feeding off the AHU directly? The only thing that makes me unsure is the CAN+ and CAN- connections, which i have no idea if its just another sound input or if it does some other communication/functionality.

Im sort of biased towards having only one amp after the AHU to avoid battery troubles. Do you think this is possible? Also, im thinking if the AMP sits after the AHU and in case the CAN + and CAN - is just another sound input, would a CCF modification really be necessary for changes at that point in the chain?

[mvelasco]

Hi All,

Upgrades have gone in the last week or so. Some pics of the speakers, as you can see, very similar to cambos pics:

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I had the dynamat done, not exactly dynamat, i think this generic dynamat is not as thick but it still gets the job done. I didnt realize these doors have 3 layers where the dynamat needs to be applied, inside behind the speakers, on the layer at the speaker level, and on the rear side of the door card (forgot to take a pic of this). So yeah, plenty of the material is needed.

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I drove around with just the sound proofing for a couple of days, but without the new bass speakers. I must say it makes quite a diifference, all the resonance and muddyness is gone. It really makes you think how they can sell a car without addressing this issue. Dont know if this is just a discovery sport thing, but i cant help but wonder if these issues dont plague other LR vehicles.

After installing the new bass speakers everything becomes a lot clearer. The sound is very crisp. the bass goes a bit lower, everything sounds cleaner, when you turn up the volume there is no distortion. All in all a great upgrade. Very happy with results. Its hard to put a number to theses things as there are many variables, i would give it a 100+% improvement, even my wife noticed a huge difference, and shes the type of person that doesnt think theres much difference between SD and HD tv.

Edit: As cambo mentioned, these are a direct/exact fit, no mods necessary.

If your planning on upgrading, i would suggest the first step is the dynamat. Im thinking without dynamat, putting in the jaguar speakers might actually make things worse with all the resonance and vibration.

Next steps:



I had a car with a sub before and i know the difference it makes, i will be looking into this in the mid-term future. This may require a sub upgrade/replacement, some retrofitting or aftermarket parts, but ill be sure to let you know what happens in the end (Stock sub part number is LR061037, a new one goes for around USD 230, cant find the other number which helps find a used one on ebay. Also there is an amplifier: Audison Prima AP8.9 amp that seems like it would make a very sweet upgrade with no rewiring, tho it is expensive and i still have to analyze what i mentioned in my previous post)
The only stock speakers still in the car are the tweeters, which are the same as used in other jaguar/LR vehicles, not sure if i will upgrade these, meridian signature LR vehicles have titanium tweeters, but no idea if worth it, aftermarket silk tweeters also sound interesting...

[mvelasco]

I went looking for the subwoofer location to see if anything is prewired and see spacing to get an idea of possible retrofits and such... some pics:

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I circled in red the area where the sub is meant to be mounted, not a lot of space. I was hoping for the sub connections to be prewired, im not sure at this point, the only conector visible is the one on the third picture, it is a bit below the sub, i couldnt get a good picture of it, it does sorta look like the mid range speaker connector, but it feels a bit wimpy to be the sub feed? theres only two wires running to it... i have no idea at this point, it might actually be a connector for something else... im thinking of connecting a multimeter to see if its live, maybe ill try to plug in one of the removed mid bass speakers and see what happens [wink11]

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Getting back to your question about the amps, in the EPC there is one "MidLine" amplifier type listed in one section, and one in another.

Part numbers are;

LR061032, FK72-19C164-ZD, to VIN FH513001
LR071201, FK72-19C164-ZE, from VIN FH513002 to FH539088
LR076681, FK72-19C164-ZF, from VIN FH539089 to HH999999

LR107812, HK72-19C164-ZD, from VIN JH000001 (this appears to be a different version?)

And then there is another amp listed as being for "Head Unit Level C, Midline Sound system) which is supposed to be the same as the base system.
Part number for that is LR083823, FK72-19C164-TA, VIN range HH000001 to HH999999

So the question is, which amp was installed in yours from the factory? It would appear to me that there are two versions, I'm guessing one with sub, one without...

[mvelasco]

Getting back to your question about the amps, in the EPC there is one "MidLine" amplifier type listed in one section, and one in another.

Part numbers are;

LR061032, FK72-19C164-ZD, to VIN FH513001
LR071201, FK72-19C164-ZE, from VIN FH513002 to FH539088
LR076681, FK72-19C164-ZF, from VIN FH539089 to HH999999

LR107812, HK72-19C164-ZD, from VIN JH000001 (this appears to be a different version?)

And then there is another amp listed as being for "Head Unit Level C, Midline Sound system) which is supposed to be the same as the base system.
Part number for that is LR083823, FK72-19C164-TA, VIN range HH000001 to HH999999

So the question is, which amp was installed in yours from the factory? It would appear to me that there are two versions, I'm guessing one with sub, one without...

I was able to get a picture of my amp:

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As you can see, the middle connector has 8 pairs of connectors, but only 6 are used. On the right end and left end there would appear to be unused channels, however i didnt have the tools or time to try and see if something is comming out of those channels. I removed the connector and the amp indeed has pins for those holes. However, i am sure now that the amp i have isnt the one with the official subwoofer connectors, i know this because of these pictures:

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These are pictures from another forum, where an aftermarket sub install was made. According to wire colors from diagrams on Topix, im 99% sure that the connector i circled in red is the subwoofer feed, which is inexistent in my amp. My amp also seems to be smaller and have less connectors. Now whether those two free channels on my amp can be used or not, will remain a mystery for now, but im thinking maybe they are disabled or something...

I also searched for the part numbers of the different stock amps to see if a retrofit could be made:

LR076681: USD 890
LR107812: USD 721
LR083823: USD 848

Im not sure which is which, but IMO these prices are extremely expensive for what you get, also, i doubt i will be seeing many of these on ebay any time soon. This almost entirely rules out an amp retrofit for me, for that kind of money you can get some pretty great stuff. If i end up upgrading further, I will most likely be getting an aftermarket amp with DSP such as the audison prima 8.9bit or something along those lines.

On to the sub.

OEM sub for discovery sport:
LR061037: USD 249

Images:
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The first image is a drawing for the part, the second is a jaguar xf 2015 sub, i think this is probably close to what the disco sport sub looks like in real life, not very inspiring for USD 249. Also, it would seem to be oval shaped, which would make and upgrade reusing the carcass a lot more difficult if not impossible. Whats even more intriguing is the 2017 Range Rover sport sub prices:

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Both these subs, which one would assume are of greater quality, are significantly cheaper than the disco sport sub, which honestly makes no sense... This makes things even harder. I would like the sub to go in the oem location and have an oem fit, but it looks like it would have to be a custom job. It would be interesting to get one of the range rover sport subs as it would seem like it might fit in the disco sport. I guess ill have to visit the dealership and see what it sounds like...

[Lockee]

Hi, have a 2005 D3 HSE with the HK unit. Would like to add a reverse camera to the screen and try and stop having to re pair phone every time ignition is off

[BJM]

Has anyone flashed a CCF file to a Disco Sport yet?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Hi, have a 2005 D3 HSE with the HK unit. Would like to add a reverse camera to the screen and try and stop having to re pair phone every time ignition is off
There's a couple of options regarding the phone.

#1 is to fit a phone module from a 2010-2011 Discovery 4, like here https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/246516-d4-bluetooth-phone-into-d3.html?246516=#post2645782

#2 is the aftermarket phone module from MoBridge, like here https://www.aulro.com/afvb/communications-car-audio-and-electronics/249759-mobridge-anyone.html?249759=#post2678600

For the reversing camera your easiest option is to use an external GVIF video interface box, which will override the video signal from the Nav module and show the camera image, this is triggered when reverse gear is selected. There are cheap cameras available from eBay or Aliexpress specifically for the D3, replacing one of the numberplate lights, like this Car Reversing Parking Camera Land Rover Discovery 3 & 4 Reverse Safety View SUV | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Car-Reversing-Parking-Camera-Land-Rover-Discovery-3-4-Reverse-Safety-View-SUV/272604755573), for the GVIF box there are heaps of different versions, this is pretty much the cheapest one I've come across GVIF car video interface for Lexus, Toyota, Land Rover, Cadillac, Jaguar (https://car-solutions.com/en/gvif-interface-for-lexus-toyota-land-rover-nissan-jaguar.php)

The standard touchscreen in the D3 does not support a reverse camera directly plugged in, it's a software issue. There is a trick to change the setting of the D3 screen into "L322 mode" that will allow a camera input, but there's a few side effects that come with this method, that need some workarounds, and a couple of buttons on the screen that do not work as a result.


Has anyone flashed a CCF file to a Disco Sport yet?
Yes, it's possible on the Disco Sport up to 2017MY. I can't speak for the makers of aftermarket diagnostic tools, but it's possible with SDD.

This will change on the 2018MY cars though, only the DoIP/Pathfinder will work on a 2018MY L550.
But there is another issue, Pathfinder has no CCF editing functions, and JLR has no intention of adding them to the software.
There is a project underway by a couple of clever guys to create a CCF editing tool for these newer models, will be ready sometime next year.

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What is PATHFINDER?

PATHFINDER is the all new diagnostic system specifically designed and released for the introduction
of the following vehicles.

Land Rover:
- Range Rover L405 (17MY)
- Range Rover Sport L494 (17MY)
- New Discovery L462 (17MY)
- Evoque L538 (18MY)
- Discovery Sport L550 (18MY)
- Range Rover Velar L560 (18MY)

Jaguar:
- F-TYPE X152 (18MY)
- F-PACE X761 (18MY)
- XE X760 (18MY)
- XF X260 (18MY)
- E-PACE X540 (18MY)

These vehicles have been designed to communicate with new high speed communication protocols.
This allows faster software download, programming and communication, making it faster to use and
saving valuable time.

These vehicles can ONLY communicate with the all new PATHFINDER diagnostic software using the
new Diagnostics over Internet Protocol (DoIP) Vehicle Communication Interface (VCI) unit which
conforms to the new communication protocol.
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I was finally able to get one of these DiOP units, just arrived last week...

[LRD414]

They certainly make it hard for the diagnostic tool suppliers to keep up. I wonder if that’s part of the strategy.

Scott

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

There is certainly no intention to make it easy for 3rd parties to work on or modify the vehicles.

The change to the DoIP unit is because of adopting the Flexray communication protocols FlexRay - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlexRay)

This is not just a JLR thing, most of the major European manufacturers are going down this road. Bosch is one of the driving forces behind it, and it just so happens that Bosch supplies a large portion of the electronic systems in these cars, as well as producing the diagnostic equipment to support it all (the DoIP interface is made by Bosch).

JLR has a "no mods" policy on their vehicles, which is why the dealers are prohibited from making these retrofits like we do. So not having a CCF editing function in their diagnostic software would be part of that policy.

[Lockee]

Trying to find out if you can adjust the tyre size on the D3 to keepcar happy with larger Tyres

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Been a while since I updated this thread, lots of projects in the last few months!


Anyone here who can edit the CCF for discovery sport? I bought my DS without the incontrol apps, and I learned that it can be acitivated by editing the CCF without hardware change. TIA


Hi Cambo,
Did you work out what is required to add Incontrol Apps on an Disco Sport?
thanks
Not in a Disco Sport yet, but I have managed to get the InControl Apps activated in a 2016 Jag XE and 2017 Jag F-Type.

In the XE using an Android phone.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/490.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/491.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/492.jpg

In the F-Type with an iPhone

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/493.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/494.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/495.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/496.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/497.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/498.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/499.jpg

So this is possible in cars with NGI or NLI infotainment; Discovery Sport & Evoque up to 2017MY, L405 Vogue or L494 RR Sport up to 2016MY

Currently "this close" to sorting the InControl Apps retrofit on the IAM2.1 cars as well, but there's about $1000-$1200 worth of hardware needed for them.

I've also come across a solution for DAB+ "retrofit" into the later models with NLI infotainment. It's not really a retrofit because it uses an aftermarket module via the USB port, but it's a solution nonetheless. And at about $650 installed vs. $3000 installed for a factory system, it's not too bad. Can use the factory antenna so the reception is good, and all but invisible.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/500.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/501.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/502.jpg

Factory DAB antenna amplifier on the rear window in the Discovery Sport, so it's invisible.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/503.jpg

It's not perfect though, there is about a 30 second buffer in it though, so you need some patience when first starting and changing stations.
It takes up the USB port in the console, which means you can't use InControl Apps at the same time as the USB-DAB, and it also means no mp3's on a USB stick.
You can get an additional interface which will allow you to switch between DAB+ and a USB stick, but I haven't tried it in a JLR vehicle and I have some doubt's about the current consumption being too much for the USB socket.
If you unplug the USB-DAB module from the USB socket it resets itself and has to run through the scan/autotune and takes even longer to boot up.

So apart from those little niggles, it's pretty good! There isn't really another option for DAB that is "integrated" so that's as good as it gets.

[Leoniums]

Hi Cambo
I am really interested on your modes and I will wait to see if you can find a solution for the DS MY16 for the in control apps.
Also I would like to know if there is a possibility to add electric front seats (how easy or difficult) and a power tailgate since I made the mistake and didn't ordered those 2 on my car.

BTW Happy Easter
Regards
~Leo

[Warrzone]

Mate love your work

just wondering if you can help me

hey i have a 2010 D4 (can't believe it doesn't have bluetooth audio,) it is a base mode TDv6 with the small screen. it has hand free bluetooth phone, with controls on the steering wheel. I don't have the iPod plug. only AUX cable in.

1 .How hard is it to get bluetooth audio? what do i need to swap out?
Plan B. how hard is it to get the iPod cable

thankyou for any help you might be able to give me. this thread has been a very interesting read.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Mate love your work

just wondering if you can help me

hey i have a 2010 D4 (can't believe it doesn't have bluetooth audio,) it is a base mode TDv6 with the small screen. it has hand free bluetooth phone, with controls on the steering wheel. I don't have the iPod plug. only AUX cable in.

1 .How hard is it to get bluetooth audio? what do i need to swap out?
Plan B. how hard is it to get the iPod cable

thankyou for any help you might be able to give me. this thread has been a very interesting read.
Unfortunately there is no cost-effective factory upgrade available for these low-spec units with the small monochrome screen. A full factory retrofit is technically possible, but probably not worth the $5000 it will cost to do it.

This is the only off-the-shelf system i've come across NAVIPLUS. COM.AU. (http://www.naviplus.com.au/land-rover-discovery-4-audio-upgrade) but it also has some downsides, like none of the buttons on the console will work.

[huythanhv2]

Hi Cam,

I was referred from this thread in Disco Sport Replacing halogen housing with xenon housing (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l550-discovery-sport/261551-replacing-halogen-housing-xenon-housing.html)

I can see you were telling Leoniums that DS 16 CCF modification is not possible on that car yet? :(

Just wondering have you heard anyone successfully replacing the DS 16 halogen headlight housing with the original xenon ones?

I can find a few thread that US garages have been doing that but nothing in AU so far.

Appreciate your feedback.

Thank you.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Hi Cam,

I was referred from this thread in Disco Sport Replacing halogen housing with xenon housing (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l550-discovery-sport/261551-replacing-halogen-housing-xenon-housing.html)

I can see you were telling Leoniums that DS 16 CCF modification is not possible on that car yet? :(

Just wondering have you heard anyone successfully replacing the DS 16 halogen headlight housing with the original xenon ones?

I can find a few thread that US garages have been doing that but nothing in AU so far.

Appreciate your feedback.

Thank you.
I can edit the full CCF in a Discovery Sport, so it's possible (for me at least) to change that setting from Halogen to Xenon.

But i don't use the aftermarket diagnostic tools from Blackbox or Gap, so I cannot speak for them or their capabilities.

Leo's problem is he is in Greece, and he could not find someone to do it locally.

EDIT

Also worth mentioning that I can now edit the CCF in the Discovery 5 and the Velar too, and other 2018MY vehicles, finally!

[LRD414]

That’s good to know Cam. I had the impression that the newer models would be very hard to access compared to older ones like my D4. I had assumed Gap and others may not offer similar as a result. I know you have much more high-end equipment but perhaps this raises hope for the diy diagnostic tool market. I’ve certainly benefited from having a Gap tool for the D4.

Scott

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

So the headlight swap from Halogen to Bi-Xenon in the Discovery Sport through CCF modification was successful, you can see in the other thread.

Other exciting news is that the first 2018MY CCF modifications on a customer car (not a test car) using Pathfinder have been completed.

2018MY L494 only a few months old, now has Dynamic Mode and Traffic Sign Recognition enabled.

[Arapiles]

I have had actually had an initial look at this (for my MY14) and the parts are pretty pricey.
Just the sensor modules - LR051009, LR051010 - alone are around $700 (from the UK), excluding freight. That's each, one for the left and one for the right! :o Haven't looked into the mirrors yet...
David

My 2014 D4 has the blind-spot monitors, but has anyone tried to, or succeeded in, making them audible, as is the case for most other blind-spot monitors on the market?

Technically it would be possible ....

[dunk_98]

Hi Cam, what was the setting you changed in the CCF for allow the TV/DVD to display on the screen while in motion. My wife would love this for our long drives.
2012 D4,
Thanks
Matthew

[majeric]

Hi Cambo,

I’ve been following the amazing work you and Stuart have been doing (on the FL forum too).
I was wondering if you have any insight on auto high beam assist.
My Evoque has all the hardware but it’s just a matter of enabling it in the CCF.
I did buy the IIDTool to try and enable but it didn’t work. The IIDTool options on the Evoque were very limited (unlike advertised) so I returned it.
I guess I need help with two things - what’s the best kit to buy....I don’t mind spending the money as long as it will last me a few years (car goes out of warranty in 6 months).
Have you played around/enabled AHBA on any of your cars? (I should have just paid for the option....instead I went for the heated steering wheel... :) )
Appreciate any help!

[BreakingDead]

Any luck enabling the incontrol apps on the My18 yet?

[RegGraham]

Hi Cambo, Just picked up this thread looking for a CCF editor for MY18+ Jaguars etc, I was going to try the softwaredownload module again but my DA-DoIP interface is not working with SDD software at present so I only have DA-Dongle for SDD and DA-DoIP for Pathfinder. I know the Bosch and Chinese copies (Which I will not buy) do work with softwaredownload but if there is something else I can buy I am very interested. I am trying to get Diagnostic Associates to fix the problem with SDD as their new device is DoIP/J2354 but they say it hasn't been fully tested yet with SDD, it only came out May 5th. I can edit the CCF on all cars up to the start of production May 2017 as that is when the new Body Control Module was fitted which is the only difference between pre-DoIP vehicles. The Diags talk over ethernet to the BCM the BCM then handles ethernet to CAN. In the Ford world the VCM is the ethernet termination and that then handles the CAN bus from there. Bosch have been instrumental in moving that bit of the diagnostic link into the vehicle so you can now connect an ethernet cable directly to the car with the relevant software on the Laptop. The new DoIP interfaces are basically USB to Ethernet with a control signal line to wake up the car as the cars can't support wake-up-on-lan and a CAN bus connection to the Diagnostic CAN bus. For interest I've attached the Diagnostic connector wiring for SDD and DoIP F-Pace's which is the same for all JLR vehicles.

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[zanemonster]

Hey guys, great community here!
I recently purchased a my16 discovery tdv6 and upgraded it to sdv6, it has the meridian touch screen with reverse camera, I was wondering if it was possible to put in the oem sat nav for it, and if so is there a ball park figure?

[Bve]

Hi All,

I am now the owner of a L550 land rover Discovery sport .


The car is not yet fitted with all the things I need( it was a stock car ). So I need to retrofit al lot of things.

- Ipad integration
- wireless charging iphone in front
- audio upgrade
- Led direction lights
- led high beam front
- dash cam front and back
-....

[mantor]

Hi

i was wondering if you have fitted the aux heater, you can pick up the heater from eBay but was don't know what else is needed

Thanks David

[Konradical]

Hi

i was wondering if you have fitted the aux heater, you can pick up the heater from eBay but was don't know what else is needed

Thanks DavidI was also pondering this and Retro fitting our hse with timed climate.

Living down here in the South is killing me and I need a bit of tropical warmth in the mornings..

[RegGraham]

Hi Cam, I haven’t had the courage to test softwaredownload on my car yet, how are you editing the ccf file with pathfinder it looks like the only option is online editing does that allow me to edit any field in the file?. I had to reinstall my laptop as I rebuilt it with W10 and the DA-DOIP would not then work correctly with SDD so I had to rebuild it with W7 so I have been busy setting the laptop up for pre DOIP cars again. With SDD there was documentation floating around on how to use it is there anything with pathfinder?

[VladTepes]

Hi,

I am considering the value proposition of purchasing a 2014 FL2 and bringing it up to date with tech stuff, as a replacaement for a 2013 Mazda3.
I've started a thread here A number of FL2 questions (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/freelander-2-a/272238-number-fl2-questions.html)
which pointed me to this thread I'm posting in. (awesome thread BTW)

My questions are a bit more wide ranging though - wondering what else OTHER than factory options can be fitted and LOOK OEM but provide modern functionality. eg GPS, BT with Android car play (whatever they call it), surround cameras etc etc.

I'd appreciate if people could pop in to that thread and read my posts, and provide any input they may have too. Cheers

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

Hey guys, great community here!
I recently purchased a my16 discovery tdv6 and upgraded it to sdv6, it has the meridian touch screen with reverse camera, I was wondering if it was possible to put in the oem sat nav for it, and if so is there a ball park figure?
There are some aftermarket navigation systems that integrate to the factory touchscreen in the MY12-onward D4, which have better features like Hema off-road maps, live traffic, map updates that don't cost an arm & a leg, I would suggest you go down that road.


I'd appreciate if people could pop in to that thread and read my posts, and provide any input they may have too. Cheers
I did [wink11]

[Adhunt]

Hi guys. I have a 2015 disco sport se with base level speakers. They lack any bass I have seen advice on here for someone with another model of lr. What is possible for me to replace easilyto improve sound :)
Ty

[Iumas932]

Hi Cambo

Great thread.
Just a question about flashing the HVAC. I have fitted heated seats to a MY07, all cables were already in. Put a HVAC in with the seat buttons. Changed the CCF options so now the buttons work but I get a Lin Bus error so think I need to flash the HVAC.
I have SDD but what file am I flashing. I’ve used the flashing to flash the instrument panel to get the date on it so know I can do it just need to know the file.

Any held is greatly appreciated

[cbnicholes]

Hey I have both a running 2011 LR4 that is my daily driver along with a non-running 2013 LR4 that I am parting out. The infotainment system in the 2013 is a bit more current and I'm trying to figure out a way to fit the system from 2013 into the 2011? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I'm not totally sure what the trim specs are on the 2013 but I know the 2011 is the HSE Luxury

VIN numbers are:
2013: SALAK2D44DA682588
2011: SALAK2D42BA558915

Thanks in advance!

[Jaddi01]

Hi Guys! Newbie to the form here!

Just wondering if there is a way to add the subwoofer control to the Enhanced Sound System (L2) headunit?

[stegegjerdet]

Anyplace to buy these? What cars had these stock? Impossible to find anything used on this number. LR033290

Alot of tweeters and a lot of bass speakers on ebay. But none of these.

[mitchE39]

This thread is inspiring and costly...

Having now done the Logic 7 upgrade with your assistance, I’ve got the bug to add more to the car. Is there a list you’ve made up with things that can be added? I’m thinking that the next addition will be DAB, but if things like TPMS can be added easily that might also strike my interest.

Cheers!

[Mr_NPP]

Not sure if this thread is still active...

I have a 20.5MY Evoque and wondering if there is anyone in Melbourne who does coding of the CCF to activate features.

Although I ticked most options, there's a couple that now I wouldn't mind adding on.

Cheers

[Bananas]

Hi Cambo
No, you're not the only geek hoping to add missing factory options!

@John_D4 and @Tombie suggested I bug you. I've read a few threads where you have posted and I see why! I posted here (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/276270-aerpro-calr05-fitting-double-din-aftermarket-headunits-into-low-spec-d4-vehicles-4.html) asking about adding CarPlay to a 2010 2011 D4 that has the cute little screen with buttons and no AUX input I can find anywhere in the car.

I am trying to understand what's achievable and likely costs. I had naively imagined buying a new head unit in the Black Friday sales and changing a few plugs or rearranging a few pins, ditching the cd player (and installing a toaster oven in it's place for delicious cheezy snacks on the go) and perhaps even moulding a shiny custom facia in fibreglass or carbon fibre if needed but it seems there's a fair bit more to it than that, especially if you want to be able to reset the time and date displayed in the instrument cluster and in error codes.

I had hoped to pull this off for minimal $$ hence posting on the forum for advice. I see that doing conversions like this forms part of your business so I'm conflicted asking for free advice. That being said can you shed any light on what's achievable vs cost?

My wishlist seems straightforward:

Wireless CarPlay
Retain steering controls
Retain time and date setting after a battery disconnection or daylight savings change (even if this means finding another hidey hole for the small screen)
Retain chimes, reverse sensor beeps etc
Retain the functionality of the key pad below the small screen if it has any purpose once the new head unit installed.

If it's all a bit too $$$ I might end up just settling for a $20 Bluetooth FM Transmitter jammed in the cigarette lighter hole so I can play spotify and call it a win.

Thanks!

[PaulCrane]

Hi Cambo, new to the forum despite being in various discovery forums over the years, I found my way here

I’ve gotten a bit carried away and purchased some adaptive xenon’s to fit to my 2016 D4. I have also purchased the HCM which I believe is required and have had a GAP IID for years.

just really struggling to find any documentation online for people who done similar so am struggling to find where the HCM mounts (I’ve even got the bracket) and further details on wiring them in assuming I need to add additional pins into existing connections. I have had a good search, for quite a while on all forums but am struggling to get the information.

anything that could be shared would be gratefully received.

thanks.
and best wishes from the UK

[Grizzly]

Hi, New Here. I've just acquired a '07 RRS TDV6 SE and a '09 TDV6 as a spares car not sure on spec but has some toys the '07 doesn't. The previous owner also gave me a D4 touch screen nav, a Hybrid TV Tuner with 4 aerial amp things and a pair of rear logic7 speakers plus dash speaker.

Now I love a retrofit mission so here's what i have

'07 RRS has

no screen,
6 disc head unit,
HK audio amp and speakers
rear park sensors

'09 RRS has

Nav Screen,
Single CD head Unit,
No amp standard speakers,
Blue Tooth,
FM amplifier
front and rear park sensors
acc cruise

'09 also has a better interior than the '07 plus the '07 is the one i want on the road so all of the interior will be coming out..

also have.

logic7 rear speaker, grilles and mounts
logic7 dash speaker
D4 Delphi Nav Screen
Hybrid TV Tuner

I plan on getting the Logic7 Amp and speakers i'm missing

I'd like to fit the lights under the wing mirrors

id like the d4 steering wheel,

I'd also like DAB

future me would also like to fit the rear screens

Basically whilst I've got it all out is there anything i need to know or do so that i only do things once or as least as possible. I've found wiring diagrams, a few guides on TV tuners, Logic7 retrofitting although the tv tuner always seems to go under the front seat where the logic7 amp would go and the hybrid tuner i have has the bracket to go in the boot...... I'll figure it out but and help would be appreciated.

Many Thanks