Puma bearing or turbo noise?

[digger]

Puma bearing or turbo noise?
My car (bear) is now at almost 57,000 km, it's been running pretty well and I've been pretty happy with it and the service when I have had problems. On Friday my car , 2012 MY Puma 2.2 110 wagon has developed a very worrying noise, I first believed it was maybe a turbo hose off or something like that as it seems to spool up as you accelerated and come louder but then cease when at Idle it is now got worse and I'm not sure if it's not some sort of bearing noise, my problem is that it is 200 km to the service centre, I have notified them but I'm not sure what it is so it's hard to tell them what the problem is? It sounds to me now like it's louder but only seems to happen when I accelerate or the car is under -- load has anyone had any problems like this or any ideas that could help ?

cheers

[gvwow]

Hi Digger
It sounds like what we had, whoosh noise under acceleration quite at idle.
engine light come on after 60 kms ended up beaning induction elbow split
and charge hose fouling against coolant pipe.
replaced induction elbow and cac pipe.
mine is just out of warranty, but replaced under warranty at austral qld.
hope this helps (might be someting else for you)
see ya wow

[Turtle130]

Sounds like boost leak, I would check all the hose clamps are tight to start with as a leaking hose joint makes the exact noise you are describing.

[Chops]

Digger, check your heat sheild at the turbo. From what your describing, it sounds very similar to what mine sounded like. It had cracked (the sheild) at the bolt on the head and made a noise only on revving. Like you, I thought it sounded like bearings too, was much relieved to find what it was,, having said that, my hose blew again just after it too :(

[DazzaTD5]

Apart from the mentioned turbo hose split.

The exhaust manifold shield on both the early bracket and the later revised one can crack and cause an annoying engine related noise.

Also (but I've only had early 2.4lts do it) the heat shield down the cat, one of the small bolts can work its way out and cause the shield to make the same annoying sound.

Regards
Daz

P.S early models, both the heat shield and the mounting bracket can crack, on later models, its just the bracket. The bracket cracks right at the front of the engine, very hard to see under the A/C compressor

[Alra]

Hi Digger
It sounds like what we had, whoosh noise under acceleration quite at idle.
engine light come on after 60 kms ended up beaning induction elbow split
and charge hose fouling against coolant pipe.
replaced induction elbow and cac pipe.
mine is just out of warranty, but replaced under warranty at austral qld.
hope this helps (might be someting else for you)
see ya wow

Hi All,

This has just happened to me about 20 mins ago. I'm luckily in the Townsville area (waiting to get on the barge from Maggie Island) so I'm straight to the local dealer for a prognosis as soon I get off the barge. My warranty runs out next week. I've ready had two turbo hoses blow in the past.

Cheers,

Danial.

[pushrod]

..if it is a turbo leak somewhere , would you notice a lack of power ?

mine just started making the same noises ...

maybe slipping fan belt?

[Alra]

Yep. Mine went into limp mode as soon as the wooshing sound started. Mine has now been repaired under warrant and it was a turbo hose. I can't remember which one of the three turbo hoses it was because I had too much steam coming out of my ears. That is the third turbo hose to blow since purchasing the car new in Feb 2013.

Cheers,

Danial.

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So it's booked in for tomorrow they are going to have a look at it and see if they can ascertain what the noise is. Haven't driven it for a couple days got a lift with a mate and at the wife drive me around just to be sure I get ready tonight and prepared to drive down because of the noise I thought I'd take its late sitting on around 80 not sure if this will make any difference.

Manage to get 25 kilometres and then the noise became louder and the dreaded orange engine light illuminated!

I turned around and have limped home but the noise is now very loud and the power is gone. I know this isn't solitaires fault but hell I'm getting the crap that is Land Rover at the moment!!

Not bad for one and a half months out of warranty i'm not sure if this will be covered in the extension they gave me on the warranty for the motor when they changed the motor. I really hope so! To have spent this kind of money on a car with much less features than a cheaper other brand 4wd, I was relying on the fact that the first Deefer I had was fantastic. I didn't abuse it - got it serviced regularly and it would do anything for me anytime without any problems...

The noise from this is unbelievable. I am really ****ed off at the moment -

I will email solitaires with a recording I made of the motor when revved at idle and see what is decided ...

Not happy Jan! (Must be a Friday .'fender! )

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Can anyone who has had intercooler or turbo hose problems please post a photo or two showing the offending hoses etc and I will crawl around mine and see if I can find a loose hose. After listening to the recording solitaire think this is the most likely cause . Unfortunately I really have no idea which of the 4000 hoses is likely to be an offender and I was told in maybe a large or small hose? cheers

[Chops]

This pic here shows where the hole forms. This is actually the underneath of the hose, under the airbox basically.
I dont have a pic of it in situ I'm sorry.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

This was my first hose blown, made no noises what so ever, just lost all power. Same on the second, and then, when it actually blew off, it went bang, then just no power,,,, or noise.
I think with your rattling type noise, its most likely the heat shroud/shield for the turbo itself. I have a pic somewhere of that, but I can't seem to find it.

[digger]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions,
and cheers Chops for the piccie.

I have (with the help of my landie mad husband and wife neighbours from up the road) been working through hose by hose trying to find it, removed the heat shield from the turbo and tried again...

there is the noise...

BUGGER!

so off with the elbow on the front of the turbo,
in goes the finger for a little wiggle .........

and about 1/8" play!!

see photo....

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This may be contributing to the noise???
The scoring and damage to fins etc is visable..

Will send email to Solitaires and see where I stand...
(surely 57k km is not normal for a turbo fail?) Its two months out of warranty but if you add the time it was at the workshops for problems I'd still be covered?!? (cheeky I know and yes I also know it wasnt the service mobs fault...)


If they wont cover I am left with a few options...
replace with same (how much, where from??)

replace with different aftermarket (how much, where from and why change?)

and after all this stuff about the hoses also being crap (paraphrasing of course) what brand is good (but not too exxy) for a set of silicon "implants" (prefereable in black!)

all suggestions accepted gratefully...

I will need to get one ordered ASAP if its on me to do..



if its going to cost too much my wife will likely get out an angle grinder and install a pizza oven, much like this one

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[Chops]

Damn that sucks big time,, pretty poor to say the least.
Hopefully LR will come to the party for you Nigel. I found dealing with Solitaires to be a great experience, even thinking outside the square a bit.
In concern with hoses, have a think about getting a steel/exhaust unit made.
As for turbo's, I've got nothing for you mate, but I guess one would have to wonder about standard replacement eh.
All the best with it mate, keep us updated.

[jackdef90]

Digger,
If it comes to it, you can pick up the standard vgt turbos for a tdci for about 800 bucks off ebay
IMO they are pretty good

[digger]

Looks like Solitaires will cover it but i have to get it down to them..

That will only occur when the planets align (saturday arvo) have to sort out where to drop it etc


On the good side? Most of the car has been repaired or replaced so far

[cuppabillytea]

Hi Digger
It sounds like what we had, whoosh noise under acceleration quite at idle.
engine light come on after 60 kms ended up beaning induction elbow split
and charge hose fouling against coolant pipe.
replaced induction elbow and cac pipe.
mine is just out of warranty, but replaced under warranty at austral qld.
hope this helps (might be someting else for you)
see ya wow
The same thing happened to mine. It is very difficult to detect just looking under the bonnet. Eventually it will blow and the car will go into limp home mode. The new hoses are an improvement on the old ones. Get them to replace the lot especially the elbow.

[cuppabillytea]

Looks like Solitaires will cover it but i have to get it down to them..

That will only occur when the planets align (saturday arvo) have to sort out where to drop it etc


On the good side? Most of the car has been repaired or replaced so far


Land Rover will put it on a flat top and take it there free of charge if you call customer service.

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Land Rover will put it on a flat top and take it there free of charge if you call customer service.

usually yes, but my part of the deal this time is I have to get it to them...

although he tried he couldnt swing a full lift down there.....

(and my warranty expired late 'dec 15)

so I have borrowed a car, I have borrowed a trailer and bear and I shall take another trip... with me about 20 or so feet in front of bear!!

[cuppabillytea]

This pic here shows where the hole forms. This is actually the underneath of the hose, under the airbox basically.
I dont have a pic of it in situ I'm sorry.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=105862&d=1455784947

This was my first hose blown, made no noises what so ever, just lost all power. Same on the second, and then, when it actually blew off, it went bang, then just no power,,,, or noise.
I think with your rattling type noise, its most likely the heat shroud/shield for the turbo itself. I have a pic somewhere of that, but I can't seem to find it.

Chops, that hose should have been replaced in the recall which included a bracket to keep it out of harms way.

[Chops]

Chops, that hose should have been replaced in the recall which included a bracket to keep it out of harms way.

They never did it,, obviously :mad:, and they had had several chances to do it in Melb up till that point, and then some.

This particular fix was done by removing one off a new vehicle to get me going. The car was trucked from Wang to Albury, whom I might add were exceptionally helpful as I had the dog with me, and was like 40deg's in the shade.

I'll get the steel option done soon. I see it as the best long term fix.

[digger]

Drop the car off this morning Louis was there to greet me help me unload it was really good and will keep me posted as soon as he knows on Monday he will ring me and tell me what's going on

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So, finally all done, turbo replaced, elbow in front had hairline crack causing overboosting apparently. Intercooler flushed apparently, and in a general check they noticed tailshaft "a little loose" so they replaced all those bolts etc. Arrive to collect at 12 noon yesterday. Bear is spotless :).

Drive 50k and the noise restarts! Back to l/r and they're all working on it. (Including the service manager in his business clothes) off for a short testdrive (like a k at most as he was back almost immediately)
And in he walks looking like a surgeon from the movies. It was now 5.20pm... he says I'm sorry we did all we could... strewth is bear dead?

Looks like new turbo is also now gone... 1st one 57,000k, this one less than 50kms!

I'm off to a 50th in station country so they give me a loaner.

Its a D4 firenze red with 2,000k on the clock...
This will be different!

They'll ring me tues/wed with news...
Public hol Monday.



What is the little red key for?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Gees Digger,, you trying to outdo the Big Silver Lemon?
:(

[Chops]

Damn Nigel, that just sucks.
Two upsides though, your on the spot to have it fixed, excellent, not right I know, but still, it's better than being out in the never never,, and the other is the D4, ohhh nice ;)
Hope that can get it sorted for you mate, there's nothing worse than missing your own steed.

[karlz]

....
Its a D4 firenze red with 2,000k on the clock...
This will be different!
.....
What is the little red key for?

At least this time they will find out what really caused the turbo to fail.
Sorry for your misfortune.

I sold my D4 to buy a Defender. :) The little red key unlocks the tow hitch.

[digger]

Service providers have been great. I've decided that Besr must've been a Friday car! Must remove the door card and see one day!

I suppose I'll just wait. Hope its back for Easter!

[cuppabillytea]

It's only my guess but If turbos keep failing I think they should be looking for an oil supply problem. Hope they work it out for you digger.

[ezyrama]

Hey Digger
Get them to do a smoke test on the intercooler, Landrover had mine for 3 weeks and changed about 5 k worth of bits ( turbo hoses, maf sensor, ecu, and something else) before they found the intercooler had a hairline fracture that opened up under boost and almost closed up again off boost. It was out of warranty by a few weeks but they honoured it and paid for most if it. I only paid for new turbo hoses. Good luck
Cheers Ezy


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[digger]

Hey Digger
Get them to do a smoke test on the intercooler, Landrover had mine for 3 weeks and changed about 5 k worth of bits ( turbo hoses, maf sensor, ecu, and something else) before they found the intercooler had a hairline fracture that opened up under boost and almost closed up again off boost. It was out of warranty by a few weeks but they honoured it and paid for most if it. I only paid for new turbo hoses. Good luck
Cheers Ezy


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They did smoke test it before the test run where it died!!
They also did exhaust side..

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Okay I went back to solitaires Who have told me that they think the problem this time was a faulty turbo as in the replacement turbo was faulty!

All the parts are in Australia and they hope to have it finished early this week I really hope they do as without it I won't be going to Melrose (and that would suck )

Solitaires have been really good and Louis and the service manager have both assured me that they will continue to look after me and have been making sure every single thing has been highlighted on the service records for Land Rover so it is covered.

On a good note, I have a three-year-old defender with a six month old Motor, a completely changed cooling and air conditioning system a new injection system and now a new turbo so it's virtually rebuilt!

Meanwhile this D4 is a good feeling car to drive although I found it hard to fit the kids motorbikes in the back they seem to fit easier in the defender?!:twisted: