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Ean Austral
27th February 2016, 02:40 PM
Gday All,


Has anyone had issue's with the water pump on 2.7 engine ? I am doing my timing belt and oil pump next weekend , and I have had a new alternator and water pump since I purchased the car , so was going to fit the new alternator but tossing up if its worth disturbing the water pump or not.


Car is a 08 D3 with 133,000ks on it. Sure I understand things can fail randomly but I don't recall reading much on water pump issue's.


Thoughts ?


Cheers Ean
Disco W.A
27th February 2016, 02:47 PM
Ean,

I can't answer your question re the water pump but when I do my timing belt soon as I'm at 145K I intend to change the water pump and the water outlet while I'm there.

Roger
Ean Austral
27th February 2016, 03:16 PM
Gday Roger,

I have already done the outlet as it was starting to weep. A certain part of me says let sleeping dogs lay. Different with the oil pump as it's an engine killer and a known fault , the alternator seem to be lucky if you get to 150,000 without issue , plus it has to come off anyway so that's easy .

I will make the call when I'm at it I guess.

Cheers Ean
Narangga
27th February 2016, 07:34 PM
I didn't think about doing mine until it was in the workshop so it didn't get done.

Hopefully I won't regret it.
winaje
27th February 2016, 08:01 PM
Do it while you're in there, for the $150ish including shipping.
Ean Austral
27th February 2016, 08:12 PM
I already have it, bought a spare water pump and alternator when I bought the car. I have found from past experience sometimes it's best to leave water pumps alone . Admittedly that was not on Land Rover but on Cat and Cummins engines.

Cheers Ean
LandyAndy
27th February 2016, 08:15 PM
I also rekon I would be doing it whilst you are in there Ean.
Andrew
LandyAndy
27th February 2016, 08:16 PM
I already have it, bought a spare water pump and alternator when I bought the car. I have found from past experience sometimes it's best to leave water pumps alone . Admittedly that was not on Land Rover but on Cat and Cummins engines.

Cheers Ean

You could have a point,it is a CAT engine isnt it????
Well Jaguar engine:D:D:D:D:D:D
Andrew
AnD3rew
27th February 2016, 09:09 PM
You could have a point,it is a CAT engine isnt it????
Well Jaguar engine:D:D:D:D:D:D
Andrew

Ford not Jag I think you will find.
I think it is the V8 which is Jag.
LandyAndy
27th February 2016, 09:15 PM
It was a joint venture with JRA that also included Ford,Citroen and Pewgoat wasnt it????
Andrew
AnD3rew
28th February 2016, 08:10 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_AJD-V6/PSA_DT17
It was a joint venture with JRA that also included Ford,Citroen and Pewgoat wasnt it????
Andrew

You may well be right.

Edit to say you are mostly right. It was developed and manufactured by Ford UK for Pewget, Citroen, and JLR.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_AJD-V6/PSA_DT17
Tinman
1st March 2016, 06:50 AM
Hi Ean, I also changed my water pump when timing belts were changed. The water pump I took out was in very good condition so have saved it as a spare. I also changed both belt tensioners also so now ready for another 160k or 7 years of motoring
Cheers
IndusD4
1st March 2016, 07:39 PM
Hi Ean

I had my water pump replaced under warranty at around 35,000km. I could not tell there were issues with it, I'd never seen any coolant under the car but the Land Rover specialists that serviced the car told me there was evidence of the water pump having leaked. I took it back to the main dealer who replaced it without any issue.

Ron
Jetfixeruk
29th December 2020, 11:01 AM
Just for the record, my water just pump failed on my 2012 D4 at 239,000km. It started losing coolant at approximately 250ml per 100km, this steadily got worse as the coolant was leaking out at about 500ml per 100km. The low coolant warning did work when this happened. It was a fairly easy job to replace the pump. The bearings were shot on the old one.
Eric SDV6SE
31st December 2020, 12:08 AM
Just for the record, my water just pump failed on my 2012 D4 at 239,000km. It started losing coolant at approximately 250ml per 100km, this steadily got worse as the coolant was leaking out at about 500ml per 100km. The low coolant warning did work when this happened. It was a fairly easy job to replace the pump. The bearings were shot on the old one.

Whats a new pump worth?

Is it possible to check this via the level in the coolant overflow bottle? Where does the coolant leak from?

Mines at 10yo and 206000km.
DiscoJeffster
31st December 2020, 12:14 AM
Whats a new pump worth?

Is it possible to check this via the level in the coolant overflow bottle? Where does the coolant leak from?

Mines at 10yo and 206000km.

Just change it dude. I did mine, simple as. Best done when you do a fluid change though, but you won’t lose an awful lot

Water pumps have a witness hole where when the seal/bearing goes fluid drips from it.
Jetfixeruk
1st January 2021, 04:39 PM
Whats a new pump worth?

Is it possible to check this via the level in the coolant overflow bottle? Where does the coolant leak from?

Mines at 10yo and 206000km.

I ordered the pump from the UK it was about $55 plus postage of $90 from LRparts, I threw in some other bits and pieces to make it worth while. The pump was made by pro flow in UK who are an OEM supplier to LR.

Coolant leaks from the witness hole or shaft seal under the pump. Mine was difficult to diagnose from the top of the engine as the drips were infrequent and evaporated, as it got worse it dripped on the protection plate and mixed with the AC condensation. I could see that my coolant level was dropping and I could smell the coolant, I originally suspected a radiator coolant hose or head gasket.

To confirm I took the small steel plate off from below the radiator and I could see the leak on the bottom of the pump, it was didn't show until the engine warmed up (area corresponds to yellow writing on the new pump).
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I didn't drain the fluid I siphoned as much as I could from the reservoir then positioned a bowl under the pump and collected it, to refill I passed it though a coffee filter a few times and reused it. The hardest part was removing the fan, I had to make a wrench to hold it.

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PerthDisco
1st January 2021, 07:43 PM
For peace of mind replace water pump with timing belt is easiest and most labour effective way with also the plastic coolant connector on top of engine.

Water pump part also available via Ford.
Jetfixeruk
1st January 2021, 09:48 PM
No need to remove timing belt on the 2.7d. Inspect and replace accessory drive belt if necessary is all you need to do.
DiscoJeffster
1st January 2021, 09:57 PM
No need to remove timing belt on the 2.7d. Inspect and replace accessory drive belt if necessary is all you need to do.

His point was to simply change the water pump at the same time you change the timing belt to avoid failure in the first place
PerthDisco
1st January 2021, 10:49 PM
His point was to simply change the water pump at the same time you change the timing belt to avoid failure in the first place

Yes correct thanks DJ. That procedure applies to most timing belt style engines as water pumps are very cheap items typically not worth the risk of failure after 5 or 7 years when you’ve got to dive in there for a belt change.