Who does this and why?

[cuppabillytea]

On Saturday I took the Kids and a couple of their mates up to the Ourimbah State Forrest for a bit of fun. We had spent an hour and a half getting up this track (no complaints), when we came across this. It was blocking the track, the rest of which was easy. I'm not good enough to back down a track like that so I had to move it. It was only half a Meter but it took half an Hour, which could have been spent having fun. This isn't only burned out hulk Up there. They are all over the place. It got me wondering. Why would drag a Burned out hulk all the way up here and dompe it in the middle of a track? I might be stupid but it makes no sense to me. :confused:

[JDNSW]

Used to be a common sight round here - but they weren't dragged in - they were driven in and then burnt to ensure a minimum of evidence from the theft. Started several fires, including one pretty major one.

It is years since I have seen one, perhaps because the police started to learn where they were likely to dispose of stolen cars, and maybe they are using somewhere else now, or perhaps even that there only ever were one or two culprits and they are now either long term guests of Her Majesty, moved away, or perhaps even grew up.

John

[Don 130]

We were in there last weekend with Sydney LROC for clean-up day to get cars out. There's a spot where over a dozen cars, uses and vans have been tipped over the edge and down the cliff. Very difficult to recover them from where they are in order to clean the area up. There is a lot of indigenous artifacts etc there as well. You'd think it'd be better for these people to dispose of these vehicles to a scrappy for cash.....unless there's some reason they wouldn't get away with that. It sure makes a hell of a mess.
Don.

[korg20000bc]

Insurance jobbies?

[cuppabillytea]

We were in there last weekend with Sydney LROC for clean-up day to get cars out. There's a spot where over a dozen cars, uses and vans have been tipped over the edge and down the cliff. Very difficult to recover them from where they are in order to clean the area up. There is a lot of indigenous artifacts etc there as well. You'd think it'd be better for these people to dispose of these vehicles to a scrappy for cash.....unless there's some reason they wouldn't get away with that. It sure makes a hell of a mess.
Don.
Sorry I missed that one.

Insurance jobbies?
That's what I thought initially, but then, why not just leave it where you torched it?

[DAMINK]

If it was stolen and identified wouldn't the insurance companies have to haul that thing back? I cant help but think perhaps it was put there to stop people using the track?

[cuppabillytea]

If it was stolen and identified wouldn't the insurance companies have to haul that thing back? I cant help but think perhaps it was put there to stop people using the track?

I thought that as well. If you came in there at pace you would be into that section in the photo before you knew it and that would be the end of your car. I did look as though it had been dragged into position from the side of the track. Perhaps it was a good thing that I couldn't drag it all the way back.

[Mick_Marsh]

Who does this and why?
Commodore haters for fun.

What young lads do is nick a car and go for a joy ride. They do things such as driving over street signs. Then they park it in an out of the way spot and torch the evidence.

To stop people from using a track, forestry people usually just fell a tree across the track.

[DAMINK]

Who does this and why?
Commodore haters for fun.

What young lads do is nick a car and go for a joy ride. They do things such as driving over street signs. Then they park it in an out of the way spot and torch the evidence.

To stop people from using a track, forestry people usually just fell a tree across the track.

Does not appear to be burnt at that location though.
And i think OP said it was dragged there or so it seems.
Nor do i suspect it would be easy to get there if the pics of that track are before it.



To stop people from using a track, forestry people usually just fell a tree across the track.

Hahaha yea they do too. I had to drive over a whole heap of them only days ago.... I guess they should use thicker trees if they want to stop me.

[Disco-tastic]

I went through there a couple of weekends ago and the car was there though we could drive around it easily. I understand that some people destroy and dump cara for fun, but who would then shift the car so that it blocks the track? Maybe someone should hide a gopro in a tree...

Cheers

Dan

[DiscoMick]

Could be the owners wanted it to disappear so they could claim it was stolen and get the insurance payout. I remember once being told it cost more to have a vehicle stolen if it was to be found.

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[cuppabillytea]

Could be the owners wanted it to disappear so they could claim it was stolen and get the insurance payout. I remember once being told it cost more to have a vehicle stolen if it was to be found.

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Could be. In which case you would imagine the insurance companies would gang up and hire an investigator to go in and record all the chassis numbers and their locations. That might teach the buggers a lesson.

[Sitec]

Hahaha yea they do too. I had to drive over a whole heap of them only days ago.... I guess they should use thicker trees if they want to stop me.

And then they'll close the tracks for good and none of us will get to enjoy them...

[DiscoMick]

Could be. In which case you would imagine the insurance companies would gang up and hire an investigator to go in and record all the chassis numbers and their locations. That might teach the buggers a lesson.
That might identify the vehicle and the owner, but it still wouldn't prove it was not stolen, as claimed. Apparently there are people who do this for a living. You pay them and they steal your car and make it disappear so you can claim on insurance. That's one of the reasons premiums are high, apparently.

[DAMINK]

And then they'll close the tracks for good and none of us will get to enjoy them...

Just a closed sign works for me.
I NEVER go into areas im not allowed too.
Just tracks with no signs. If a sign exists i hit the R lever on my car.
Thanks for associating me to the many who contribute to the problem however.

Ya know trees fall by themselves some times, and even over tracks.
No foolin i have seen it!!! :wasntme:

[DAMINK]

. Apparently there are people who do this for a living. You pay them and they steal your car and make it disappear so you can claim on insurance. That's one of the reasons premiums are high, apparently.

Apparently! Hahahahahahahahhahaha
Nope THAT HAPPENS and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.
Not saying you are mate, just sayin it is an industry!!!!
I know first hand this **** happens and exists and has for 20 years.

Same thing just a different scam really........

[Stuck]

And could it be that as the price of scrap goes up the recovery rate of stolen cars goes down ?.

[cuppabillytea]

Who does this and why?
Commodore haters for fun.

What young lads do is nick a car and go for a joy ride. They do things such as driving over street signs. Then they park it in an out of the way spot and torch the evidence.

To stop people from using a track, forestry people usually just fell a tree across the track.

I don't think anyone hates Commodes Mick. They might loath them. In that case they couldn't bare to touch one. I think Commodores just run away from home. If it's any consolation. I didn't see any Commodores up there.

Just to clarify for everyone else: The section of track in the photo was the last tricky bit and the hulk could have been brought there by any vehicle, truck or trailer, from the other direction.

I do think the hulk could have been put there to stop people going down the track at speed, or some other reason.

Sitek might be able to knock over a tree with his new truck but the rest of us would be confined to scrub. A bit of scrub or small tree wouldn't worry Forestry much, I reckon.

[LandyAndy]

Isnt that a dunnydoore in the pic??? Looks different to a Falcoon,I could be wrong.
Andrew

[cuppabillytea]

Isnt that a dunnydoore in the pic??? Looks different to a Falcoon,I could be wrong.
Andrew
I couldn't tell what it was but it was smaller than a Dunnydoor or Falchoon.

[kogvos]

I couldn't tell what it was but it was smaller than a Dunnydoor or Falchoon.
It could be a Defender. Similar panel gaps.




(you went back to look, didn't you...)

[cuppabillytea]

OK busted. The corrosion is red not white. :p

[Mick_Marsh]

I doubt the forestry guys would dump a wreck to close a track.
They would be more likely to install a gate. It is an offence to bypass a locked gate. I don't think moving a dumped car is.



It could be a Defender. Similar panel gaps.




(you went back to look, didn't you...)
You should have gone to Specsavers.

[DoubleChevron]

There's already been 20 cars burnt in my area this year. I usually pass at least 2 different burnt out cars a month if I drive down the fire trails to work (whihc I do most days)

Quite a lot are modern cars with imobilisers. If they are being joy ridden, how are the kids getting them started without the keys ?

seeya,
Shane L.

[cuppabillytea]

Good point shane.

[DoubleChevron]

Good point shane.

The only way I could steal a car built from the mid 90's onwards .......... Would be to break into the house first and steal the cars keys ...........

[JDNSW]

In most cases that is probably exactly what they do - or simply take cars whose drivers leave the keys in them. (It does happen - sometimes even by accident)

John

[DiscoMick]

There's already been 20 cars burnt in my area this year. I usually pass at least 2 different burnt out cars a month if I drive down the fire trails to work (whihc I do most days)

Quite a lot are modern cars with imobilisers. If they are being joy ridden, how are the kids getting them started without the keys ?

seeya,
Shane L.
Don't assume its kids joyriding. Professional thieves have the gear to override anything. They may even tow the vehicle. Remember, they don't care if they damage it because they've been paid to make it disappear.

[Chenz]

I went with some Bushfire Brigade people up and down firetrails in the Blue Mountains some of which were that rough and washed out you had to use lockers and/or get winched.

Down the back of nowhere down a very steep track was a late model Camry which had all the sills wrecked, dented and bent front and rear ends and it was partially burnt out.

The guys who got it to there should get a job teaching extreme driving.

[LandyAndy]

There is a pretty big bushfire over Dwellingup way.It started at 3am mon morn.The police say the cause was a torched stolen car.Great stuff during 40degC+ days.
Andrew

[d2dave]

The only way I could steal a car built from the mid 90's onwards .......... Would be to break into the house first and steal the cars keys ...........

And this is exactly what is happening. This was reported in the press yesterday.


No Cookies | Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/police-fear-gangs-have-joined-forces-for-victorian-carjacking-crime-spree/news-story/e210624a94ce77f1bb4e8d09b929dc31)

[Mick_Marsh]

And this is exactly what is happening. This was reported in the press yesterday.


No Cookies | Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/police-fear-gangs-have-joined-forces-for-victorian-carjacking-crime-spree/news-story/e210624a94ce77f1bb4e8d09b929dc31)
Unfortunately, only subscribers to that news service can view the link.

[DAMINK]

And this is exactly what is happening. This was reported in the press yesterday.


No Cookies | Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/police-fear-gangs-have-joined-forces-for-victorian-carjacking-crime-spree/news-story/e210624a94ce77f1bb4e8d09b929dc31)


The apex gang?
Ohhhh dont get me started on that lot!
Before i moved to the country i lived in Noble Park.
I was there when they first arrived and began there "ways"

There should be rules for anyone not born in Australia.
You play up too much then you get a free flight courtesy of the Government.
One way back home!
I bet the parents of these kids will stand up and take note then.
Sorry a bit off topic.

[DoubleChevron]

It's pretty much a daily occurance here ...

Time to stop: behind every car is a victim | The Courier (http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/3791703/time-to-stop-behind-every-car-is-a-victim/?cs=62)

It does sound like they are breaking into the houses to get the keys.... Hmmm, forget the cars, if I find anyone in the house with my kids, stealing cars will be the last thing crossing anyones mind. After I've finished crapping my pants .... it'd be on for old and young ....https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/03/475.jpg

What is the world coming to if you can't sleep in your own house without worrying about someone breaking in.

seeya
Shane L.
PS: That will probably be me ... being held up and punched that is :blink:

[cuppabillytea]

A break in often causes long term distress in a family. It's four times as bad when they are at home during the invasion.