2.2 puma tuning

[D90 orkney]

Has anyone done it and what path have you taken? What are the costs of this process?

Is there a notable difference? I'm not really asking in terms of on road but more so off road how does it perform?

Exhaust done with it?

[Tombie]

BAS. Only BAS. There are threads all about it.
Search for the group buy thread and have a read.

[Baytown]

I just picked my 2012 110 up last night after the following:
Alive remap
EGR blank and switch off
Exhaust modification
Larger radiator
Larger intercooler
Engine watch dog
Cruise control
Terrafirma shocks
King springs.
Service.
Its a different vehicle, but its not been off road yetsince last night.
Loads more usable power and torque
Next to no kangarooing (better fueling map)
Im extremly happy.
Around $1500 for the remap, all the work cost around $7K
Service at MRA was brilliant, and I cannot recommend enough.
Ken

[TimNZ]

BAS. Only BAS. There are threads all about it.
Search for the group buy thread and have a read.

+1 Been a customer of BAS for ~7 years now, with 4 vehicles. Very happy with his products, and his service is second to none.

Tim

[ozy013]

+2 for BAS. Totally transformed my 2.4 Puma a year or so ago, and Pete's approach to customer service is very refreshing. A total gentleman, and a fantastic product.

[Gerokent]

+3 for BAS. It did wonders for my 2.4

[1nando]

Egr delet and blanked
Front mounted cooler and hoses
Decat and rear muffler removed
Snorkel
Alive tune through Davis performance

Good for around 170 hp and 450nm

As for how it goes,
- spools up much faster
- a lot more torque where you want it
- better fuel economy
- more of a pleasure to drive

Off road: its unreal. Its no longer feels lethargic but rather punchy and powerful.

Would i recomended it: in a heart beat.....amazing

The best part is over taking cruisers on a up hill slope on the highway......they cant stand it.:cool:

[D90 orkney]

Egr delet and blanked
Front mounted cooler and hoses
Decat and rear muffler removed
Snorkel
Alive tune through Davis performance

Good for around 170 hp and 450nm

As for how it goes,
- spools up much faster
- a lot more torque where you want it
- better fuel economy
- more of a pleasure to drive

Off road: its unreal. Its no longer feels lethargic but rather punchy and powerful.

Would i recomended it: in a heart beat.....amazing

The best part is over taking cruisers on a up hill slope on the highway......they cant stand it.:cool:

Excellent news. Thanks!

[Tombie]

Curious. Those getting the Alive tunes - are Davis giving you the programmer for that price?

[1nando]

No. However he does guarantee that the tune can be reinstalled or a different version remapped if one is not happy with their tune free of cost.
I think for me personally the idea of using Bruce was that i have someone locally (in Australia ) that i can talk too. BAS being straight out of the UK made things a little complicated for me.....i prefer dealing with people in person.
On a different note : Tombie do you run an egt gauge????

[Pickles2]

No. However he does guarantee that the tune can be reinstalled or a different version remapped if one is not happy with their tune free of cost.
I think for me personally the idea of using Bruce was that i have someone locally (in Australia ) that i can talk too. BAS being straight out of the UK made things a little complicated for me.....i prefer dealing with people in person.
On a different note : Tombie do you run an egt gauge????
Yes, I prefer to deal with "people in person" too, I'm computer hopeless, so if I stuffed up the computer side, I'd need someone local,....haven't found one yet.
Pickles.

[Babs]

I'm a very good customer of Bruce's, my last Puma I had the Alive Tune done by him but got jack of having to go back each time to have it re-installed after it had been wiped when it went in for warranty. Yes he reloads for free but I still had to make the time to get there.

This time with the new Puma I went with BAS and I couldn't be more happier. I now have the advantage to swap the computer out of it, if it goes in for warranty and reload my own updates and upgrades and have the biggest advantage going with BAS with being able to clear my own faults. No more being left in the middle of "bum fack nowhere" in limp mode.
This is all done through your iPhone or Android.
You have access to the whole computer and its settings same as LR all through Pete Bell BAS's app.

Statistically the BAS tune will be the most popular on here and that is for a reason.

The Alive tune I had done on the last Puma was ok and made a bit of a difference but Hell its definitely not in the same league as the BAS 170.
This thing hauls arse now!

Don't forget the benefit of having the app that allows you to read and clear faults, which is more advanced the the scan gauges or Nanocoms people are getting.

But if you really aren't fussed on reading your own faults and loading your own maps, then I can't recommend Bruce high enough, his work is top notch and he knows these trucks inside out. After all he owns 4 or 5 Defenders himself.

Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[cuppabillytea]

B.A.S. +3 Easy as. Great results. Read the threads as Tombie suggests.

[roverrescue]

I have recently bought and installed a BAS RRS for the 2.4 tdci with EGR delete.

I am not interested in overclocking the donk at this stage but I did want to be able to interrogate fault codes and delete the EGR.

I completely numptied up the EGR delete process fearing that I had totalled the ECU and the vehicle would be off the road till I got the brains to the UK!!! - but no bother Pete calmly emailed me through the recovery process which went smoothly of course.
Oh and that was 11pm on a Saturday his time... I have no fear in recommending BAS service and product even if he is not local - hell no one is local to me so its not really a consideration but for those in the smoke BAS is a fantastic option.

Oh and the EGR delete has transformed the low speed high throttle operation of the 130, so much smoother to drive now. The RRS is a tidy little tool to have too with the iOS app I can plug it into any landy and interrogate the ecu... a very handy tool to have in the box.

Steve

[nate_110]

Egr delet and blanked
Front mounted cooler and hoses
Decat and rear muffler removed
Snorkel
Alive tune through Davis performance

Good for around 170 hp and 450nm

As for how it goes,
- spools up much faster
- a lot more torque where you want it
- better fuel economy
- more of a pleasure to drive

Off road: its unreal. Its no longer feels lethargic but rather punchy and powerful.

Would i recomended it: in a heart beat.....amazing

The best part is over taking cruisers on a up hill slope on the highway......they cant stand it.:cool:

what was the ball park figure for the set up mate? sounds pretty good!

[1nando]

Roughly 4k. Tune alone is 1500.
Then factor in cooler and hoses, egr blanked with plate and decat pipe plus all the labour and 4k is around the figure/cost.

[Longtimer]

I went with BAS.

For several reasons really;


I could load the original map or the 170HP map at my whim. So any resets when in for warranty work (and I've had a bit.... :-( ) don't matter.

When making inquiries here in Perth, the only other person that did it wanted to be paid the full price anytime it needed to be reinstalled.

Other remaps were only 150 HP. At the time that is, and I am not sure if they offer 170HP yet.

Free upgrades to the latest map.

A full diagnostic/reset tool with readouts for anything that the computer reads.


Performance wise, I can only say, "What are you waiting for"....

On road, it is a racer. Easy peasy driving normally, super smooth, but give it some stick and it just takes of. Kangaroo hops are a forgotten thing these days.... My son's Missan patrol ute (last of the turbo 4L) is not as quick, without winding the boost right up and pouring the fuel in.
I rarely use 1st. 2nd gear take-offs are the norm (same as before the remap) but now it is smooth and effortless. If turning into a side street from a standing start, and I give it to much, it can break traction on the rear inside tyre (265/75) with 4 people in the car. Towing is great. No lack of power to overtake road trains or hiluxes. :-) (It always seems to me that drivers of other makes of 4WD take offence at being overtaken by a defender.....)

Of road it is amazing. The throttle control, because (in my understanding) it is longer travel and an exponential function now, not linear, makes it super easy to control under low power requirements. I found it excellent when I did the power-line track (rock/hard clay/mud) in January. I could minimise wheel spin easily. In the sand, it is amazing! What a difference! If you don't know what you're doing, you can dig yourself in quite quickly. But if you grew up driving under-powered 4WD's (mainly series Landy's) like me, it's just amazing. :-) :-) So quick to respond and lively.

Funnily enough, I don't think you want much, if any, more power in the dirt. You will just get yourself into lots of trouble. Like my mates who are new to 4WDing and think power is your best friend.... :-) They are a menace on sand tracks. :-(

But then, mine is a 2.2L 90.
In a 110 or 130, the extra weight would allow you to effectively use a bit more power.


Phill.

[cuppabillytea]

Longtimer, that sums it up beautifully and yes you're right about the usability of the power in the 110. As long as you have the correct tire pressure, it is just awesome on just about any surface.

[D90 orkney]

I went with BAS.

For several reasons really;


I could load the original map or the 170HP map at my whim. So any resets when in for warranty work (and I've had a bit.... :-( ) don't matter.

When making inquiries here in Perth, the only other person that did it wanted to be paid the full price anytime it needed to be reinstalled.

Other remaps were only 150 HP. At the time that is, and I am not sure if they offer 170HP yet.

Free upgrades to the latest map.

A full diagnostic/reset tool with readouts for anything that the computer reads.


Performance wise, I can only say, "What are you waiting for"....

On road, it is a racer. Easy peasy driving normally, super smooth, but give it some stick and it just takes of. Kangaroo hops are a forgotten thing these days.... My son's Missan patrol ute (last of the turbo 4L) is not as quick, without winding the boost right up and pouring the fuel in.
I rarely use 1st. 2nd gear take-offs are the norm (same as before the remap) but now it is smooth and effortless. If turning into a side street from a standing start, and I give it to much, it can break traction on the rear inside tyre (265/75) with 4 people in the car. Towing is great. No lack of power to overtake road trains or hiluxes. :-) (It always seems to me that drivers of other makes of 4WD take offence at being overtaken by a defender.....)

Of road it is amazing. The throttle control, because (in my understanding) it is longer travel and an exponential function now, not linear, makes it super easy to control under low power requirements. I found it excellent when I did the power-line track (rock/hard clay/mud) in January. I could minimise wheel spin easily. In the sand, it is amazing! What a difference! If you don't know what you're doing, you can dig yourself in quite quickly. But if you grew up driving under-powered 4WD's (mainly series Landy's) like me, it's just amazing. :-) :-) So quick to respond and lively.

Funnily enough, I don't think you want much, if any, more power in the dirt. You will just get yourself into lots of trouble. Like my mates who are new to 4WDing and think power is your best friend.... :-) They are a menace on sand tracks. :-(

But then, mine is a 2.2L 90.
In a 110 or 130, the extra weight would allow you to effectively use a bit more power.


Phill.

I'm pretty much sold after reading this!

Couple questions.

1. Did you upgrade intercooler?

2. What does the Bas170 remap cost?

[DazzaTD5]

I've got customers that have a few different ones, BAS and Auto Code being two of them.

I generally recommend Auto Code as he is local (Perth W.A) and does a lot of all the little odd stuff including repair work to engine/trans/body computers etc etc.

While not having a go at anyone and is only IMHO...
*Every time you re-flash any computer chip, you do run the risk that it can fail without recovery, I dont recommend customers re-flash every time it goes back to the dealers, they cant see a re-flash anyway.
*While Both Jeep and Land Rover arent AU built, I do use only Australian (or pref local W.A) businesses such as APT Fabrications, Hi tough Engineering, Auto Code, Rovacraft, Murchison Products, where as I could import everything I get from overseas suppliers.

Regards
Daz

[cuppabillytea]

I'm pretty much sold after reading this!

Couple questions.

1. Did you upgrade intercooler?

2. What does the Bas170 remap cost?

I think it's time for you to send Pete Bell an email with your questions. You will find him a most amenable bloke. Perhaps before you do you should visit the group buy thread and have a read. I am certain you will love this product and the support you get from B.A.S.

[filcar]

I'm pretty much sold after reading this!

Couple questions.

1. Did you upgrade intercooler?

2. What does the Bas170 remap cost?



++++ what Longtimer wrote.


I went the BAS group buy and Pete is excellent to deal with and very responsive. Upgraded my intercooler to the Allisport , Pete sells those too.


The only wrinkle might be that the 2.2 ECU is "locked" by Landrover and needs to be "unlocked" to be able to use Pete's reflash tool. As part of the group purchase he supplied a new unlocked ECU as well, not sure if this offer is still valid. Also the Aussie dollar has moved since this deal so best to contact Pete for current pricing. You can check out his Faceplant page if you like as well. https://www.facebook.com/groups/bas2rrc/

[D90 orkney]

Email sent

[Longtimer]

I fitted the Allisport intercooler as well. It is advisable if your want to use the 170HP remap effectively.

Somethings that I noticed......

I bought an Ultragauge with windscreen holder (the best idea out) and set it up with the gauges that I wanted to monitor, some time before I got the remap.

I saw no change to the air temp when I changed the intercoolers. Which I thought was odd. But it was winter so it was doing it's least amount of work. After a while I realised that it must be reading the air temp in the filter box as the temp changes in relation to engine temp to some extent.
There was also no change in the boost pressures. It still sat there at 22lb peak. I thought that was very interesting as most methods of gaining more power involve increasing the boost pressures so you can give it more fuel. And a larger intercooler "should" give you a cooler (and hence bigger) charge. I noticed no increase in power.

When I got around to the remap a few weeks later, (I have bad phone reception at my place so it delayed me unnecessarily) the first thing I noticed was that it was accelerating like mad, but the boost pressures didn't go past it's original boost pressures. I was actually expecting an increase there. The engine temp dropped 4 degrees. I had the EGR turned of. So that was interesting.

Recently while re-installing the 170 map (I always put the original map back on when it goes in for warranty work.... Which seems to be quite often.... Because they pick it up from my place of work and are therefore driving it.) I noticed on the monitoring tool from BAS that there is another air temp reading which must be post intercooler. Now to find it with the ultragauge.
If they could be pulling the computer out for any reason, I don't chance it, I put the original computer back in. It take 5 minutes all up.....



There's nothing like pulling out, accelerating up and overtaking a road train at 135 kmh, with nothing more than your normal stopping distance for a run-up, towing your off-road trailer loaded to the hilt (with cage on, tarped, weighing around 1200kg).... And knowing you could of accelerated up higher if it was required. :-) And dropping it back to 5th is an option.


Phill.

[filcar]

Email sent
How did you go?

[D90 orkney]

Never got back to me. Sent two.

Kind of disappointing seeing as how much people rave on about it

[Pickles2]

Never got back to me. Sent two.

Kind of disappointing seeing as how much people rave on about it
That is VERY unusual.
Pete has one of the best reputations for giving excellent service.
Give it another go, ........because as a Melbournite I was looking forward to your impressions of 150/170HP!!
Pickles.

[Tombie]

What was your subject line? Sometimes his Spam filter gets a little over zealous

[cuppabillytea]

That is strange. He goes quiet when he's on holidays but doesn't stay away for long.

[cuppabillytea]

I just put a shout out on his FB. We'll see what happens now.

[D90 orkney]

That is VERY unusual.
Pete has one of the best reputations for giving excellent service.
Give it another go, ........because as a Melbournite I was looking forward to your impressions of 150/170HP!!
Pickles.

At the moment it's now on the back burner as I didn't get any reply. I have spent some money on other things.

[D90 orkney]

What was your subject line? Sometimes his Spam filter gets a little over zealous

I sent him an email through his website and wrote in the Facebook wall.

[D90 orkney]

I just put a shout out on his FB. We'll see what happens now.

Thanks I think I just saw that. But like I said it will have to wait now for a while. But more then happy to ask him some questions

[filcar]

Never got back to me. Sent two.

Kind of disappointing seeing as how much people rave on about it
I'm with the other guys who have commented here, that's very unlike Pete he has always been very accessible both through email and his FB. He may be away.

[D90 orkney]

I'm with the other guys who have commented here, that's very unlike Pete he has always been very accessible both through email and his FB. He may be away.


im sure he is. Everyone has only spoken highly of him here.

its all good. no rush for me

[filcar]

I just put a shout out on his FB. We'll see what happens now.
Pete has responded on FB so he is around ...

[Holmesy68]

Can't agree more. Bruce did my inter cooler and remap, awesome difference. Torque band has gone from about 300 rpm to 1500rpm. Heaps better on hills and a pleasure to drive and tow with. :D

[D90 orkney]

Yep we have exchanged emails. Thanks for your help guys