19" Maxxis AT Tyres

[Grentarc]

I thought I should put this here in it's own thread

During all my researching of AT tyres in 255/55R19, I came across some from Maxxis - https://www.jaxtyres.com.au/tyres/brands/maxxis/a-t-980-bravo

I emailed Maxxis Australia about them, and they replied with "They are listed as a 10ply, with a load index of 115"

Maxxis don't list the size on their site, but did say that they have stock in their Sydney warehouse.

The special at Jax has ended (was $309 F&B ) and is now listed on their site at $339 F&B

I (unfortunately?) am not in need of a new set of tyres yet, but on previous cars I had fantastic experiences with Maxxis, as did my brother.
http://gasandtyre.co.nz/site/assets/files/1128/maxxis_at-980-1.gif

[FM231]

I have just purchased for my 2012 SE V6 a set of these maxxis for an upcoming lap around the country towing a 2500kg caravan. I shall report my findings on their performance on return in about 3 months
Cheers fred

[rar110]

I think that would be the highest ply and load rating I've seen on a 255/55/19. Is it confirmed on the side wall as 10 ply 115 load rating?

[Graeme]

I suspect 10 PR rather than 10 plies.

[Grentarc]

I suspect 10 PR rather than 10 plies.
I think you are quite right as they list on their site everything as "PR"
I guess the person responding to emails doesn't know the difference?

[Landis3]

I have these on my ford ranger, I have done 30000kms and the wear has been excellent, I estimate 80k to 90k for sure (mind you a lot of highway kms) they are very good offroad, I will be purchasing these as my next tyre for my D4. Just cant justify the cost to get a set of 18's. Good Find!

[JamesH]

I think you are quite right as they list on their site everything as "PR"
I guess the person responding to emails doesn't know the difference?

I don't know the difference, what does PR stand for so I can google. I'm looking for a tough tyre that can handle poorly maintained outback roads/tracks, some rock and shale. Looking to minimise punctures. Mud and sand is less important. I'm currently leaning to Hankooks but if Maxxis are a stronger tyre I can make the change. They look tough!

[scarry]

I don't know the difference, what does PR stand for so I can google. I'm looking for a tough tyre that can handle poorly maintained outback roads/tracks, some rock and shale. Looking to minimise punctures. Mud and sand is less important. I'm currently leaning to Hankooks but if Maxxis are a stronger tyre.

This may help,means Ply Rating

Tire Tech Information - Load Range / Ply Rating Identification (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp'techid=55)

[Grentarc]

PR stands for Ply Rating
It basically means that they're saying it "has" the same strength as a 10 ply tyre, but has less plies.
The Hankook has 6 actual plies (no idea if it has a PR) and a load rating of 111.
I would very much like it if someone who has these tyres (Fred?) could have a look on the sidewall and post the ply specifications.

[rar110]

115 load rating would suggest much higher side walk strength compared to other 255/55/19s available.

I would also rethink a 18" rim purchase x 4.

[Grentarc]

Maxxis have now updated their website since my email, and the size is now listed as LT255/55R19 with a 10 PR and load index 115
http://maxxistyres.com.au/product/at980-bravo/

[mfpoli]

Maxxis have now updated their website since my email, and the size is now listed as LT255/55R19 with a 10 PR and load index 115
AT980 BRAVO | (http://maxxistyres.com.au/product/at980-bravo/)

Thanks Justin. Finally a light truck tyre in 19 inch! This is going on the shopping list. Hopefully the reviews are favourable.....ie minimal road noise, great puncture resistance, great handling in wet, etc :D and that there are enough stock in the country when time comes to changing the Wranglers!

Mario

[Owen]

Will be a set going on mine for the Cape trip next year, great news

[Narangga]

Thanks Justin. Finally a light truck tyre in 19 inch!

Mario

When I look I can not see an 'LT' against any of the sizes over 15".

AT980 BRAVO | (http://maxxistyres.com.au/product/at980-bravo/)

[Grentarc]

When I look, this is what I see
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[Narangga]

Thanks Justin. Finally a light truck tyre in 19 inch! This is going on the shopping list. Hopefully the reviews are favourable.....ie minimal road noise, great puncture resistance, great handling in wet, etc :D and that there are enough stock in the country when time comes to changing the Wranglers!

Mario


When I look, this is what I see
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My apologies - I did not look at the prefix as the 'LT" usually is a suffix.

Like others I will be interested to hear reports of hard off road use. 265/60R18 D697's are great but they come at a price...

[Grentarc]

My apologies - I did not look at the prefix as the 'LT" usually is a suffix.

Like others I will be interested to hear reports of hard off road use. 265/60R18 D697's are great but they come at a price...


I have seen a few brands put the LT as a prefix, only on the metric sizes.
I am expecting my next tyre purchase to be these, but still have well over half the life left on my Hankooks. I am eager to hear about sidewall durability, especially after seeing the limestone and shale induced sidewall failures of the Duratracs on that video posted in other threads (I know that those were extreme circumstances though).
I know the LT rated tyre may be a bit harsher ride, but having my Hankooks up at 47psi is too.

[apom]

....but having my Hankooks up at 47psi is too.

:eek: Wow... thats getting up there

[Grentarc]

:eek: Wow... thats getting up there

I have excessively rounded shoulders, so have 45 front and 47 rear.... on a side note they don't have the traditional sidewall bulge

[Graeme]

I'm surprised by the tyre's listed 10 PR because the load ratings of other sizes suggest that this size should be 8 PR, not that 8 PR would be an issue as its load index isn't around 120.

[Grentarc]

I'm surprised by the tyre's listed 10 PR because the load ratings of other sizes suggest that this size should be 8 PR, not that 8 PR would be an issue as its load index isn't around 120.

Except that they do have another 10 PR with 115 load rating - 225/75R16, but it isn't designated as an LT (but does have the load rating for running duals)

[JamesH]

I'm booked in to get a set put on this Monday. Alas not getting out off road in the near future to test them out. Only two left in WA now, btw.

[Graeme]

Will you get the opportunity to feel the sidewall thickness before fitting? I was quite surprised at the thickness of my 20" LT BFGs with the same 115/112 LI, being much thicker than the sidewalls of the 19" Hankooks prior to them being fitted.

[JamesH]

Will you get the opportunity to feel the sidewall thickness before fitting? I was quite surprised at the thickness of my 20" LT BFGs with the same 115/112 LI, being much thicker than the sidewalls of the 19" Hankooks prior to them being fitted.


I can try but not having experience with anything other that the Bridgies on the Defender, I'm not sure I'll be any the wiser. I'm pleased to get a tyre that might be robust for rough tracks.

[Graeme]

My BFGs sidewalls felt to be at least 8mm thick whereas the Hankooks less than 5mm - very subjective but indicative.

[Grentarc]

I was just reading this on another forum, warning of tyres that are too new (as in days since manufacture)

Just for interest........
I've had Maxxis 980's on my 80 series Cruiser for about 18 months.
I put them on and went on a 10,000 Klm trip out to Alice Springs and surrounds
The had 16mm tread depth when new and 12mm after the 10klm trip.
I thought it was somewhat excessive wear.
The store where I bought them also thought so and replaced the 4 on the vehicle. He contacted the manufacturer and was advised that the tyres were VERY new and that it was advisable to not do large miles in a short time on new tyres rather let them age for a month or 2 on normal driving
The new set have done another 6000klm under shorter trips with virtually the same tread depth as new
The tyres perform great on dirt, in mud and not too noisy on the hard top

I guess it might make some sense to age new tyres before long trips

So probably just a word or warning to those that are getting these tyres and planning a big trip, probably best to go easy on them, not let them heat up too much if possible as the rubber hasn't aged yet.

[RHS58]

Came down to these vs Hankook RF10's for me.
Will get the Hankooks in the end - more suited to my needs.
Tyre sales person was happy to sell me either, or even Coopers (didn't make my short list), though said the Maxxis would be noisy ( may not be an issue in a D4), and probably not as good in the wet.
The above comments from Grentarc make me happier with my decision.
Now to argy-bargy the price.

Ron

[Tombie]

Grentarcs comments equally apply to all tyres.

Tyres also have a phenomenon known as block compression - in the early life of a tyre the blocks compress a bit appearing to have "worn down" rapidly.
This tends to appear to then slow over time..

[Grentarc]

Thanks Tombie, yes, it was more to do with the fact these tyres are more likely to have this issue because the size is such a new release, the tyres have had less oportunity to age in a warehouse - I am sure all the Duratracs that have been bought recently and the next batch when it arrives will be prone to the same issues, as people are buying them asap.

[JamesH]

Just had a set of maxxis installed an hour ago. Only impression I've got so far is they are noisier than my worn old OEs. I'll put up with that as I wanted a tough tyre and they certainly look like it. I'd post a pic but I'm on my mobile and don't know how.

Vast majority of my kays are on bitumen but when I go camping I want to feel secure. Hype or no hype I did not have confidence in OE on rough tracks.

[Grentarc]

I'd post a pic but I'm on my mobile and don't know how. .
If you use the AULRO mobile app, you use have to press the camera icon to either upload a photo from your gallery or take one and attach it.
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I would love to see how the 19" version looks - I would expect a little noise from an open tread pattern like that. Are you able to have a read of how many plies the tread and sidewall are and post them up?

[JamesH]

I must be having a bad IT skills day. I can't even find the app on the Apple site. Anyway I'm posting from my laptop now and here are the details on the side:

10PR 115/112S.

The guy in the shop said they were ten ply but as Ive learned from the thread 10PR does not mean that, it means equivalent. I could see no reference to sidewall plys. Sorry if this is not helpful.

Tyres were made in Thailand, btw.

UPDATE: BTW Ive been concerned about talk of sidewall bulge in the Hankooks, I have to say there is next to none in these tyres. Mind you the guy in the shop has them at 40psi and says should stay there and then come off a bit when offroad.

[Grentarc]

. Sorry if this is not helpful..

That's fine, it was just out interest.
The Maxxis certainly "look the part".

I look forward to hearing how the ride is after a few thousand kms!

[JamesH]

I look forward to hearing how the ride is after a few thousand kms!

I'm pretty confident ride will be fine, you could put granite wheels on a D4 and be happy with the ride.



I want to get 60 thou out of them, unless I go bush and hammer the crap out of them on some horror track, in .which case fair enough, as long as they stay inflated.
I don't want to have to unload all the gear including the Engel and the wine so I can access the spare tyre to fix a flat just because I'm offroad. (I know flats happen in the bush, and anywhere, but I mean to give myself the best chance).
I don't want end up pointing the wrong way on an on/off ramp in the rain
I don't want to find myself wandering all over the road at 100kph.


If all of that comes true I'll count myself lucky and be grateful.

[rar110]

Good load rating and lack of bulge would indicate good side wall strength. This could be the 19" off road tyre everyone's been waiting for.

[scarry]

Looks very similar to BFG A/T,i am sure that square sidewall helps to reduce sidewall damage.

Some say it also reduces flotation in soft sand,but i have never found that an issue,in either the D2 or D4.

[LandyAndy]

Good work James,will be very interested to see how they go.
By the way,who washes your wheels:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
Andrew

[JamesH]

Good work James,will be very interested to see how they go.
By the way,who washes your wheels:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
Andrew

You should have seen them before the tyre guy wiped them down :(

[LandyAndy]

Im glad mine dont have that narrow wedge shaped opening,a nightmare to clean,mine are bad enough.
Next time you treat it to a wash put Rainex on the rims;););););) Makes them easier to clean,alot of the black hoses off.
Andrew

[Nicky]

I'm pretty confident ride will be fine, you could put granite wheels on a D4 and be happy with the ride.

?...
I don't want to have to unload all the gear including the Engel and the wine so I can access the spare tyre to fix a flat just because I'm offroad. (I know flats happen in the bush, and anywhere, but I mean to give myself the best chance).
?...
If all of that comes true I'll count myself lucky and be grateful.

Look at this solution:-
Winder-O-Matic Discovery 3/4 (http://hr-parts.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=59)

[RHS58]

Look at this solution:-
Winder-O-Matic Discovery 3/4 (http://hr-parts.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=59)

Jeeeezusss.
104 Pounds is $204.88
Plus postage and handling no doubt.

[laughto]

Jeeeezusss.
104 Pounds is $204.88
Plus postage and handling no doubt.

But for the 'engineeringly' challenged like myself and the cost of my time (oh wait a minute - retired = $0/hour), the ~$200 is probably well worth it.

[catch-22]

They look like they'd be good in the mud but the gaps between the treads on the face look like sharp rocks can easily get in there - to the thin bits. Still, that load rating and sidewall spec is best in class..

[laughto]

They look like they'd be good in the mud but the gaps between the treads on the face look like sharp rocks can easily get in there - to the thin bits. Still, that load rating and sidewall spec is best in class..


Umm, do you think they are any worse than Duratracs or Hankooks?

[catch-22]

Yeah not sure? Might just be the photo....

[Grentarc]

The Duratracs have a similar tread "openess" whereas the Hankooks have a less open tread design. The Hankooks are 6 ply and 111 LR, the Duratracs are 4 ply (just discovered this!!)with 111 LR And the Maxxis are 10 ply rated (no idea on actual plies though) and 115 LR.
The Maxxis does seem to have a bit more open tread than the Duratracs, but on paper it is a much tougher tyre.

[laughto]

The Duratracs have a similar tread "openess" whereas the Hankooks have a less open tread design. The Hankooks are 6 ply and 111 LR, the Duratracs are 4 ply (just discovered this!!)with 111 LR And the Maxxis are 10 ply rated (no idea on actual plies though) and 115 LR.
The Maxxis does seem to have a bit more open tread than the Duratracs, but on paper it is a much tougher tyre.

Distilling all the above info and given the 6 - 8 week delay I have been quoted on the Duratracs I think the Maxxis will be the go for me.

[JamesH]

Just a warning, they are noisier. My OEM Wranglers were quiet as the tomb even at the end of their life. I'm not saying the Maxxis boom like muddies on GU Patrol, but silent, they ain't.


That's all I know for certain, but the specs and the way they look gives me confidence in them in rugged conditions, which is a good thing for me. I feel better about getting out there now, time will tell if the confidence is misplaced.

[Ben_Vapid]

Thanks James, not surprised about the noise, seems the same deal with Hankooks and Pirellis. Have you driven them on bitumen in the wet? I've seen reports especially on the Pirellis that they can be dicey in the wet.

[catch-22]

Nup. Pirellis are whisper quiet except in the last few thou.

[laughto]

Just a warning, they are noisier. My OEM Wranglers were quiet as the tomb even at the end of their life. I'm not saying the Maxxis boom like muddies on GU Patrol, but silent, they ain't.

Can't be as bad as the constant ringing I have in my ears anyway from Tinnitus, may even deaden it a bit :D but I take your comments on-board.

[Graeme]

Can't be as bad as the constant ringing I have in my ears anyway from TinnitusTurn the music volume up more!

[laughto]

Turn the music volume up more!

Probably what gave it to me in the first place!

[Graeme]

I suspect mine came from either driving with the window down or using a chain-saw without ear protection or both.

[rar110]

I'm enjoying the 11 speakers of distraction after the 110 4BD1. Silence is torture.

[laughto]

Maxxis x 6 ordered from Jax Tyres @ $310 a piece.

[laughto]

The Hankooks are 6 ply and 111 LR, the Duratracs are 4 ply (just discovered this!!)with 111 LR And the Maxxis are 10 ply rated (no idea on actual plies though) and 115 LR.
The Maxxis does seem to have a bit more open tread than the Duratracs, but on paper it is a much tougher tyre.

Had my Maxxis fitted today. They are the same as the Hankooks (Tread: 2 Polyester + 2 Steel + 2 Nylon;Sidewall: 2 Polyester).

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[rar110]

They seem to have a much better sidewall profile, ie no bulge.

[laughto]

They seem to have a much better sidewall profile, ie no bulge.

Yes, not too bad, but running at 47psi ATM. Will drop this down and see how they fare. So far, a little noisier that the OEM Wranglers, but well within my tolerance threshold.

[Tombie]

I suspect mine came from either driving with the window down or using a chain-saw without ear protection or both.



So it wasn't that phase you went through?

Hanging out the window with the Chain saw in hand.....
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/451.jpg

[Tombie]

Yes, not too bad, but running at 47psi ATM. Will drop this down and see how they fare. So far, a little noisier that the OEM Wranglers, but well within my tolerance threshold.



What the hell are you doing at 47psi?

[Graeme]

So it wasn't that phase you went through?
Phase, yes, as a teenager but not quite in that combination.

[laughto]

What the hell are you doing at 47psi?

It is what was delivered back to me. Only city driving ATM so not really an issue.

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[LandyAndy]

Check your gauge at your tyre fitters store to get a calibration.
I cant imagine any tyre fitter delivering tyres at 47psi without being asked too.
Andrew

[Grentarc]

Actually, I have had all 4 corners once left at whatever pressure set the bead, one was at 45, another was at 37 etc...

[Tombie]

It is what was delivered back to me. Only city driving ATM so not really an issue.

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Actually it is an issue...

Way to firm, less grip on the road, shocking ride and likely to accelerate wear in the centre of the tyre.

[Tombie]

Actually, I have had all 4 corners once left at whatever pressure set the bead, one was at 45, another was at 37 etc...



You're not alone there!!!!

[LandyAndy]

I always ask for a set pressure.For example my work ute I run 40psi front 55psi rear as I carry 400lt of diesel on the tray.It gets hard to steer on gravel with soft tyres.
Its rude if a tyre mob cant discuss your needs!!!!
Andrew

[Grentarc]

Way to firm, less grip on the road, shocking ride and likely to accelerate wear in the centre of the tyre.

I have just let my Hankooks down from 42/47 psi (F+R) to placard pressures as I was trying to get more centre wear, but even at those pressures it did nothing except give a terrible ride. I love the ride of my D4 now, and if the shoulders wear out too quickly, then I hope there are some Maxxis available!

[Grentarc]

Its rude if a tyre mob cant discuss your needs!!!!

I have had issues with asking a couple places not to use the rattle gun when putting the wheels back on, let alone asking for a certain pressure! I don't have problems adjusting them myself, but then I am always adjusting pressures of tyres, be it motorbike or car.

[simonmelb]

I broke a sidchrome bar trying to get wheel nuts off, which were rattle gunned on by Jax tyres. Great tyres but the fitters have Jax shxx between their ears!

[Jaybee]

Just a warning, they are noisier. My OEM Wranglers were quiet as the tomb even at the end of their life. I'm not saying the Maxxis boom like muddies on GU Patrol, but silent, they ain't.


That's all I know for certain, but the specs and the way they look gives me confidence in them in rugged conditions, which is a good thing for me. I feel better about getting out there now, time will tell if the confidence is misplaced.


How are the Maxxis 980's now? Are you getting used to the extra noise? Any chance to test in the wet? I was looking at General Grabber AT's until I read your post so I'd be interested to find out how the Maxxis travel off road and whilst towing. I'll be towing a 3 ton caravan around Australia with a few off road excursions so need something stronger than the Goodyears supplied as standard. Does anyone have any experience with the General Grabber AT's?

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[JamesH]

How are the Maxxis 980's now? Are you getting used to the extra noise? Any chance to test in the wet? I was looking at General Grabber AT's until I read your post so I'd be interested to find out how the Maxxis travel off road and whilst towing. I'll be towing a 3 ton caravan around Australia with a few off road excursions so need something stronger than the Goodyears supplied as standard. Does anyone have any experience with the General Grabber AT's?

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Hi, yeah, I'm getting used to them. They seem noisiest at about 60 kmh and at 100 not so much. I don't know for sure how good they are as I have not been off-road and won't be going soon but the tread is aggressive. They are LT, and at the 40psi that they recommended there is no bulge. They seem tough. I can't see how they could not be good off road. Maybe they are badly made and will delaminate, maybe they'll wear out in 25k, but looking at them I can't see it happening. They inspire confidence in me.

A mate got the grabbers and he luuurrrves them. I don't think he has been off-road yet so we don't know for sure.

I'm in Mount Lawley and I'm happy if you wanna come round and take look. We can go for a drive if you like and you can hear for yourself.

Update: You're in Brizzy! Sorry had it mind you were in Perth in a next door suburb. Must have been someone else. We all got our cars about the same time.

[Jaybee]

Thanks James, I appreciate your candidness.
Yesterday I spent some time looking and Bob Jane suggested the Grabber AT's and Goodyear suggested Cooper LTZ's but neither had any stock to view. Will check out Jax today to see what they recommend. The local LandRover dealer recommends Cooper LTZ's and Pirelli Scorpions for general purpose use.
I rang Cooper Tyres and they suggested that the LTZ's might not be strong enough due to towing 3 ton caravan and suggested I should get the AT3's in 265/60/18 but that's a whole other story where I need to get new rims as well.
If I'm driving past in the next week I'll call in for a gander.

[scarry]

I broke a sidchrome bar trying to get wheel nuts off, which were rattle gunned on by Jax tyres. Great tyres but the fitters have Jax shxx between their ears!

If they do that on a D3/4 they will either break a wheel stud or stretch the nuts.
The earlier model Discos had much stronger wheel studs and nuts.

[Grentarc]

I rang Cooper Tyres and they suggested that the LTZ's might not be strong enough due to towing 3 ton caravan and suggested I should get the AT3's in 265/60/18

The AT3 that size is only a 110 load index, which is (30Kg per tyre) worse than basically all the 255/55R19 tyres available (111 Load Rating) including the LTZ, and 155 Kg per tyre less than the Maxxis AT980.

[Jaybee]

Confusing all this tyre ratings thing, perhaps I need to write up a list and compare apples.

Today Jax Tyres recommended the Pirelli ATR followed by Hankook RF10, then Continental 4x4 Contact and then the Maxxis 980's.

Beaurepairs recommended just replacing the current Goodyear Wrangler AW's so that wasn't much help.

The Jax Tyre guy originally came from Cairns and says he's seen lots of Pirelli ATR's tackle the Telegraph track and out west successfully so didn't think I needed anything more hardcore.

Perhaps these recommendations come from my brief that I need to be able to tow a 3.2 ton caravan around the big block with excursions onto dirt roads/National Parks etc. Basicly they're saying that the load rating of them all is sufficient.

[LRD414]

I look for recommendations from people who've actually used the tyres in the same size particularly and on the same vehicle and usage if possible, rather than tyre shops.

I think load rating can be seen as a proxy for tyre robustness/toughness because it's difficult to compare apples with apples any other way. Ie, higher load rating likely to have better sidewall strength etc. I know that's not what is actually being measured but it's an indicator. Hence the interest in the Maxxis for 19s.

There's other threads with feedback on the Hankooks, Duratracs, Pirellis and GGs that are worth reading too.

Cheers,
Scott

[Jaybee]

Thanks Scott

I'm taking the tyre people recommendations lightly and have started looking through the list of rigs on this site and note that there are a lot more D4's with different/more aggressive tyres than what I see from day to day on the road so I'll take your advice and look for some more posts on this site.

[JamesH]

In Perth, the dealers have a special going on Pirelli. Can't remember the details. I think it was five for four price, or four for three or something like that.

[Jaybee]

In Brisbane the Pirelli's are $365, The Hankook's $305, The Continentals are on a 4 for 3 deal so they work out to $330 and the Maxxis are $339. General Grabbers are $379 each. The Cooper LTZ's were around $400.

[Jaybee]

I look for recommendations from people who've actually used the tyres in the same size particularly and on the same vehicle and usage if possible, rather than tyre shops.

I think load rating can be seen as a proxy for tyre robustness/toughness because it's difficult to compare apples with apples any other way. Ie, higher load rating likely to have better sidewall strength etc. I know that's not what is actually being measured but it's an indicator. Hence the interest in the Maxxis for 19s.

There's other threads with feedback on the Hankooks, Duratracs, Pirellis and GGs that are worth reading too.

Cheers,
Scott

Hey Scott I've just been reading your build posts - fascinating with still more to get through. I've only recently joined this forum after finding a link to it on Google when searching about tyres and I'm encouraged by how informative and helpful everyone is. So much to learn but thankfully members are willing to share their knowledge. Thank you all.

[Drizzle]

The Jax Tyre guy originally came from Cairns and says he's seen lots of Pirelli ATR's tackle the Telegraph track and out west successfully so didn't think I needed anything more hardcore.


Probably depends on what size tyres was he referring too and what vehicles they were fitted to? Some Pirelli ATR sizes are LT rated, which the 19" tyres are not and furthermore the D4 is a relatively heavy vehicle. I had two 18" ATR's terminally damaged up the Telegraph Track last year. I found they were a very good light-AT tyre that maintained good road handling manners for city driving which makes them a popular choice. They're also great for sand driving and some light off road use but I won't be choosing them for remote journeys again.

As previously suggested, if you're intending on towing a 3T caravan off the black stuff I'd be inclined to look for something more robust.

[Jaybee]

Probably depends on what size tyres was he referring too and what vehicles they were fitted to? Some Pirelli ATR sizes are LT rated, which the 19" tyres are not and furthermore the D4 is a relatively heavy vehicle. I had two 18" ATR's terminally damaged up the Telegraph Track last year. I found they were a very good light-AT tyre that maintained good road handling manners for city driving which makes them a popular choice. They're also great for sand driving and some light off road use but I won't be choosing them for remote journeys again.

As previously suggested, if you're intending on towing a 3T caravan off the black stuff I'd be inclined to look for something more robust.

Following your lead, I googled Pirelli AT reviews and found that it was indeed an LT version in a 17 or 16 inch Scorpion AT that won the best 4WD tyre. Of the non LT rated tyres I'd have to say that I like the idea of the General Grabber AT's but have yet to find someone in Brisbane's West who has them to talk directly. There are so many different opinions about tyres and I agree that personal experience is the best guide. I've got a couple of months before I have to replace the tyres so I'll keep my eye out for what others are using. This forum has been most helpful in making me aware that there is a big difference in the load rating between most tyres at 111 and the Maxxis 980's rating of 115. Which according to Bob Janes' web site it's 1090kg compared to 1215kg for the Maxxis.

[Tombie]

Whilst that is a good indicator don't forget the rims are only rated to high 900s anyway

[Grentarc]

Whilst that is a good indicator don't forget the rims are only rated to high 900s anyway

This is true, but I found it intriguing that Cooper Tyres would recommend a tyre with a lower load rating (their 18" AT3) over their 19" tyre when towing 3+ tonnes.

[Jaybee]

This is true, but I found it intriguing that Cooper Tyres would recommend a tyre with a lower load rating (their 18" AT3) over their 19" tyre when towing 3+ tonnes.

At the time I didn't know too much about the Cooper Tyre range other than they were originally recommended by Mr 4x4 before he changed to General Tyres (more sponsorship dollars?).

I signed up for the Coopers newsletter and last week they sent an email saying that I could ring a direct number to talk to a 4WD expert to whom I gave my specifications and that's the tyre he suggested. Of course I don't have 18 inch rims so that suggestion didn't help. I did find some genuine D4 LR 18 rims on eBay which I'm now guessing came off a wrecked 2.7ltr D4 but don't know if they would have fit anyway. Are the brake sizes different? I note that the door plate on my D4 says that I can fit 255/60/18 112V tyres but to what rims, other than the quality ones from GOE. I've now spent a bit of time trolling through various posts on this site and have learned a lot from these posts. Thanks all.

[Ben_Vapid]

I did find some genuine D4 LR 18 rims on eBay which I'm now guessing came off a wrecked 2.7ltr D4 but don't know if they would have fit anyway. Are the brake sizes different? I note that the door plate on my D4 says that I can fit 255/60/18 112V tyres but to what rims, other than the quality ones from GOE. I've now spent a bit of time trolling through various posts on this site and have learned a lot from these posts. Thanks all.

You're running a 3.0l I assume? They won't fit over our beast of front brakes. Check out GOE and the Compomotive wheels if you consider 18's.

[Jaybee]

You're running a 3.0l I assume? They won't fit over our beast of front brakes. Check out GOE and the Compomotive wheels if you consider 18's.

Yes running the 3.0 ltr diesel so I thought as much. Had to be larger brakes for the larger engine. I'm still looking into the 19 inch General Grabber AT's or the Maxxis 980's. Hoping to find someone local who has them fitted so that I can get a first hand look as no-one holds any stock in the tyre shops and a chat with a user and a drive is always the best way to see how they perform.

[Ben_Vapid]

I'm still looking into the 19 inch General Grabber AT's or the Maxxis 980's. Hoping to find someone local who has them fitted so that I can get a first hand look as no-one holds any stock in the tyre shops and a chat with a user and a drive is always the best way to see how they perform.

The General Grabber 19" and the Cooper LTZ both have the same load rating so if the you've been steered away from one I assume it's going to be the same story on the other.

I'm a week or two away from changing over and i'm thinking the coopers are the best for me as they look a touch more aggressive than the generals while still being great on bitumen where realistically my car still does 95% of it's driving.

[LRD414]

I'm a week or two away from changing over and i'm thinking the coopers are the best for me as they look a touch more aggressive than the generals while still being great on bitumen where realistically my car still does 95% of it's driving.

Why not the Maxxis Ben? Not much track record yet but I would give them a go if I was still on 19s.

Scott

[DiscoMick]

Have you looked at Bridgestone or Toyo ATs? The Bridgies have a good reputation. My BIL has just fitted the Toyos to his 80 and seems happy with them. Just a thought...

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[Grentarc]

Have you looked at Bridgestone or Toyo ATs? The Bridgies have a good reputation. My BIL has just fitted the Toyos to his 80 and seems happy with them. Just a thought...


Bridgestone and Toyo only do HT tyres in 255/55R19, no AT yet

[dmdigital]

The General Grabber 19" and the Cooper LTZ both have the same load rating so if the you've been steered away from one I assume it's going to be the same story on the other.

I'm a week or two away from changing over and i'm thinking the coopers are the best for me as they look a touch more aggressive than the generals while still being great on bitumen where realistically my car still does 95% of it's driving.
I've been running LTZs for about 15 months, 2 developed tennis ball size bulges in side wall after 8 months and were replaced as there was no obvious impact damage and it was put down as just defective, it happens. I've now destroyed two more both from side wall impact damage and this was reminiscent of my experience with BFG ATs and their soft sidewalls. Don't get me wrong the LTZ aren't a bad tyre, just weak in the side wall. They handle well aren't too noisy and appear to be wearing very well. I'm watching this Maxxis thread with interest as I can see me swapping the Coopers over to something with stronger walls.

[Graeme]

The 19" LTZs haven't enjoyed the same generally good feed-back as the 20" higher load-rated versions, with plenty of sidewalls destroyed even though some people haven't had any such problems.

[JamesH]

Today for the 10th time this year they shut the freeway down between Perth CBD and the suburbs for some inane jogging, bicycling, or dog-walking for this week's favourite minority event, and as usual I am one of the last people to learn of this. Being an idiot, I cannot seem to learn to stop assuming the freeway out of the city is still a road for cars and not a footpath or bicycle path. I cannot learn to check the main roads website every time I go across town to see if I have been granted permission to drive on the main arterial route for the whole city or whether some mob of numpties are not using it for a swap meet or something.

So there I was stuck in a gridlock when I looked across the median strip and saw no cars coming the other way. A means of escape had presented itself to me and I grabbed it. I made a big u-ey up over the curb over the median strip and got out of there.

And here is the thing, it so happens I have experience in mounting curbs in the OEM Wranglers as I do so quite often to get onto a grass strip outside a mate's place. With the OEMs I crawled over the curb very carefully and noticed how the tyre and 19" rims handled the challenge. Not very well, actually. I felt the sidewall "collapsing" almost to the rim on the corner of the curb, and it gave one the distinct impression that out on a camping trip I would be spending a lot of time babying the tyres and rims.

Meanwhile back at the gridlock I wanted to make a highly illegal maneuver up a steep curb without wasting too much time. The tyres felt completely different to the OEMs, it was smooth and straightforward and not at all like I had come to expect. The car felt for the first time the weak point was not as weak as it had been.

I think we can agree that as an off-road test of Maxxis 980s in 19" it gets a one out of ten, but nonetheless the tyres passed with flying colours. I'm liking them.

[Ben_Vapid]

Why not the Maxxis Ben? Not much track record yet but I would give them a go if I was still on 19s.

Scott

They definitely look the pick, but what's making me hesitate is 1) road noise, and 2) being Melbourne based and having to deal with wet tarmac in traffic a lot, i'm in two minds about if they're going to be a bit dicey in the wet.

I'm still keen to be convinced otherwise.

[LandyAndy]

James I live in the country and I knew of the freeway closures today:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
Only because I was up there yesterday and heard it on the wireless and saw the fwy notice boards:p:p:p:p
Andrew

[Grentarc]

I think we can agree that as an off-road test of Maxxis 980s in 19" it gets a one out of ten, but nonetheless the tyres passed with flying colours. I'm liking them.

I know that the couple times that I have had to drive up the gutter (and once got to observe from outside the car) with the Hankooks, I know that they flex so much that it looks like the only thing between the alloys and the concrete is 2 layers of rubber with no air gap. This is one of the reasons I am interested in strong sidewalls.

[RHS58]

They definitely look the pick, but what's making me hesitate is 1) road noise, and 2) being Melbourne based and having to deal with wet tarmac in traffic a lot, i'm in two minds about if they're going to be a bit dicey in the wet.

I'm still keen to be convinced otherwise.

Exactly the reason I'm going with Hankooks.
Maxxis look the goods,, but mostly I'm on bitumen.

[Tony V]

Just noticed that Tyresales have the Atturo Trail Blaze (click here) (https://www.tyresales.com.au/buy/tyre/atturo/trail_blade_m-t/255-55r19/117017?q=4#moreinfo) in 255/55/19

[LandyAndy]

Its good to see more 19" tyres becoming available.Shame they arent in a deeper profile,60 or 65 would be magic.
They all still suffer from a lack of sidewall depth being 55 profile.
Andrew

[Tombie]

If it spends 95% of its time on bitumen then fit a HT...

[JamesH]

That's the point, though. HTs are only good if you spend 100% of the time on bitumen. If you want to take your car anywhere interesting or out of the way, you need something stronger in spite of the other 95% youre on bitumen.

It's a bit like river crossings isn't it? Probably only twenty yards wide, but if you want to get across ,the Barina that has done ok on the gravel road for the past 100km is not really going to get the job done..

[Tombie]

I've taken HTs on some very rough terrain..
You'll be surprised what they'll do..
Just pay attention and drive to suit [emoji106][emoji41]

[Tombie]

Same argument says go full mud tyres. For that 1% time that it's not on bitumen and raining [emoji41]

[Meken]

My scorpion zeros (m&s) are effectively a ht but they go surprisingly far when I go off-road. As tombie says drive to suit.

[rar110]

TR does a pretty good job even with HT tyres.

[Jaybee]

It's a bit like river crossings isn't it? Probably only twenty yards wide, but if you want to get across ,the Barina that has done ok on the gravel road for the past 100km is not really going to get the job done..

Unless the Barina is a rental car which appear to be able to go anywhere. Found that out when we did a 4X4 trek in Iceland. Don't know how that rental car got there or how they were going to get it out again. The 40+ rivers we crossed were all pretty deep even for our SWB Sanyong with lift plus 34 inch tyres.

James, your Maxxis 980 Bravo's are looking like the only LT rated tyre suitable for heavier duty off road which at $1695 for 5 tyres are at the lower range price wise. Your gutter climbing is a perfect example to justify them for city use. I keep hearing people saying that 18 inch tyres are cheaper, with a wider selection and easier to get in remote areas but price wise the Bridgestone D697 LT265/60/18 are $1810 for a set of 5 (includes $100 cash back) but then I'd have to team them with Compomotive rims at $2960 (plus freight?) so it's a big investment. That said, I've met another D4 owner who was changing his Hankook's for Compomotive rims and D697's as he'd had a number of failures with the Hankooks on the sharp stuff in the NT. All of the dealers I've spoken to here in Brisbane don't hold stock if you need a replacement in a hurry and they say that their dealers (plus other tyre retailers/garages) in remote areas will be able to get replacements for any brand and size sent in within reasonable time (as long as there is stock in the Warehouse?)

One question - does the Maxxis fit easily into the spare wheel bay and can you get it out with the D4 tow hitch (AKA 'Plow') attached. My Wranglers only drop down with a kick and I've had to cut some excess length of the actual hitch to make that happen. Can't be unhitching a 3 ton caravan to change a tyre!

[JamesH]

One question - does the Maxxis fit easily into the spare wheel bay and can you get it out with the D4 tow hitch (AKA 'Plow') attached. My Wranglers only drop down with a kick and I've had to cut some excess length of the actual hitch to make that happen. Can't be unhitching a 3 ton caravan to change a tyre!

I see they got it up there no trouble but I did not have the tow kit installed so could not say how that would go. If it turns out to be a problem you could consider taking the spare in the van when on trips? I don't know how storage is and how much keeping weight down is a thing.

[laughto]

One question - does the Maxxis fit easily into the spare wheel bay and can you get it out with the D4 tow hitch (AKA 'Plow') attached. My Wranglers only drop down with a kick and I've had to cut some excess length of the actual hitch to make that happen. Can't be unhitching a 3 ton caravan to change a tyre!

Mine was fitted with the 'plough' in place. No issue with fit. Haven't attempted to lower, but will when I get a chance.

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[Jaybee]

I see they got it up there no trouble but I did not have the tow kit installed so could not say how that would go. If it turns out to be a problem you could consider taking the spare in the van when on trips? I don't know how storage is and how much keeping weight down is a thing.

Getting it up there is one thing and if it won't come down easily with the 'PLOUGH' in place then I'll have to change to the 'Mitch Hitch' which means I'll have to also change the tow hitch due to the increased height of the Mitch Hitch. Having the spare underneath is tidy and easy in the city but it's a painful place to have a spare when off road so I might also have to look into fitting the 'front runner' spare wheel holder. In theory the size of the Maxxis 980 should the same as the OEM Wranglers, correct? Except that the squarer shape and some extra tread depth might make a difference when lowering the spare in a tight spot.

[Disco-tastic]

TR does a pretty good job even with HT tyres.

It does an awesone job with HT tyres. I think the problem is that HT tryes don't do such an awesome job on rocks or logs where you can easily pinch the sidewall.

I have 18" HT's and went out on the weekend. Tyres at 32psi. I drove onto a round rock (i.e. not sharp) and heard a sharp loss of air - the tyre had flexed enough to pull the bead off the rim. Thankfully it re-seated.

I have also driven over rocks at 30psi and been sitting pretty much on the rim. I can see why some people run higher pressures to protect the sidewall.

I am actually really surprised i havent torn a sidewall yet.

I wouldnt be confident on 19" HT tyres either!

Cheers

Dan

[Graeme]

Getting it up there is one thing and if it won't come down easily with the 'PLOUGH' in place then I'll have to change to the 'Mitch Hitch'Unless you carry a trolley jack you might want to consider the safety aspect of the D4 on its jack with a van attached anyway. The jacks are temperamental enough with just the weight of the vehicle.

[Jaybee]

Unless you carry a trolley jack you might want to consider the safety aspect of the D4 on its jack with a van attached anyway. The jacks are temperamental enough with just the weight of the vehicle.

Very good point, I'm in the process of looking for a good 4 ton hydraulic jack that will do the trick. At least I'll be carrying wheel chocks along with some flat base plates in the van so that should help. Looks like I'll have to put it all to the test.

[Tombie]

You don't need a 4 Tonne jack a 2 tonne is ample. You're only lifting a corner which is rated to 960kg

[Tombie]

This is what happens when the jacks fail..
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/223.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/224.jpg

Lucky I was in Digger-town. He's a great bloke and came
Down with a couple of trolley jacks to assist.

[Jaybee]

You don't need a 4 Tonne jack a 2 tonne is ample. You're only lifting a corner which is rated to 960kg

My thinking is that most likely a 2 ton jack wont have enough lift, but then I haven't researched that yet.

Your pic looks like a competition to see how many jacks we can find in the pic. Good to see you had some help.

[Disco-tastic]

This is what happens when the jacks fail..
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/223.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/224.jpg

Lucky I was in Digger-town. He's a great bloke and came
Down with a couple of trolley jacks to assist.

Phew! Looking at that first pic i thought you had busted the rear hub!

Looking closer i noticed the wheel had no wheel nuts :D

Cheers

Dan

[LandyAndy]

My thinking is that most likely a 2 ton jack wont have enough lift, but then I haven't researched that yet.

Your pic looks like a competition to see how many jacks we can find in the pic. Good to see you had some help.

When looking for a hydraulic jack look for a 2 stage lift.I used my kinchrome jack and adaptor for the first time to swap my GOE wheels.On the front the jack did the job,just.On the back it was too short and needed a 1" block to get the wheel clear.
For those who got that Kinchrome jack when I got those adaptors made you probably should carry a 1" and 2" block.I intend finding a 2 stage jack,the new one will alwys be usefull in the shed or campertrailer.
Andrew

[Disco-tastic]

I have a little 2T bottle jack. It doesnt quite lift the rear wheels off in access mode, so needs a two stage lift.

If im only changing a tyre, i stick it under the control arm in normal or off road height. Jack it up an inch or so before you start, stick it under the arm (theres a little oval indent which i use, as it looks strong). Jack it up until the car self levels and viola! It lifts the wheel off the ground for you :)

You do have to be careful with jack placement, as when at off road height the control arm isnt flat, and it can shift, but its the only hard part.

Cheers

Dan

[LandyAndy]

I used off-road height.The front worked ok with no block,had the screw extension on the jack fully wound out.On the rears it just lifted the rear enough to possibly get the stock wheel off with a fight,the new slightly taller wheels wouldnt have gone back on.From memory we got 6t squat Kinchrome jacks when we got the adaptors made.A pair of 1 and 2" blocks should make the jack suitable in most situations.
One can no longer rely on white posts on the side of the road,they are now metal or plastic:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
Andrew

[scarry]

Geez Tombie,that looks bloody dangerous.:(
And a situation i wouldn't want to be in.

I always carry two pieces of 20mm ply,around 350 mm in diameter.
One piece on top of the other provides a smooth base for a jack.Helpfull off road.

Haven't had to use it on the D4 jack,but has been handy for others.

In fact,have only used the D4 jack once,and that was in the carport to remove a wheel that had a slow leak for repair.

Must be the 17's:angel: and a bit of luck:)

[LRD414]

My thinking is that most likely a 2 ton jack wont have enough lift, but then I haven't researched that yet.


When looking for a hydraulic jack look for a 2 stage lift.I used my kinchrome jack and adaptor for the first time to swap my GOE wheels.On the front the jack did the job,just.On the back it was too short and needed a 1" block to get the wheel clear.

This is one of the best 2t two-stage bottle jacks (for extension): Omega 2t (https://www.blackwoods.com.au/part/00946908/jack-bottle-omega-telescopic-hyd-2t)
More details in this thread: New Jack Option (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/222778-new-jack-option.html)

But note that it still only just does it and the 1" block is a good idea so the jack is not at full/max extension.
And using the suspension arms works well with a lot less jack extension.

Cheers,
Scott

[Tombie]

That would be this jack..

Works a treat - had to machine Landy Andys adapter out to 32.2mm but that was a doddle- just visited mates at the plant [emoji41]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/220.jpg

[scomac]

Anyone who is thinking of getting the 19" Maxxis, there are apparently only 8 left in Australia. I think they are in Adelaide, not sure what retailer has them.
I have just ordered mine, won't be here for two weeks.
Cheers
Scott.

[scomac]

Managed to feel the side walls before going on and couldn't believe the difference compared to the Hankooks. They are a lot stiffer, thicker and generally felt stronger. This gives me a heap more confidence for when I do the Gibb in four weeks.
Cheers
Scott

[Jaybee]

Managed to feel the side walls before going on and couldn't believe the difference compared to the Hankooks. They are a lot stiffer, thicker and generally felt stronger. This gives me a heap more confidence for when I do the Gibb in four weeks.
Cheers
Scott

Would be interesting to hear your comments on the difference in road manners/noise etc. If the sidewalls are stiffer do you think they give a stiffer/rougher ride as a consequence?

Did you ask the dealer about getting replacement tyres in areas such as where you are going? Especially since they were supposedly the last few in Oz.

[scomac]

Sitting in the waiting room as we speak. I have two spares, not the Maxxis but will do as an emergency. Have another Maxxis on back order. Had the LTZ's on so will let you know the difference in ride quality soon.
Cheers
Scott

[scomac]

So just based on the 15min trip home, the Maxxis are a little noisier and the ride is a little harsher, compared to the LTZ's as to be expected. What stood out was the D4 felt a lot more stable when cornering. Pressures were set at 34Psi from tyre shop. I will play with these to see what suits best.
Cheers
Scott.

[Jaybee]

So just based on the 15min trip home, the Maxxis are a little noisier and the ride is a little harsher, compared to the LTZ's as to be expected. What stood out was the D4 felt a lot more stable when cornering. Pressures were set at 34Psi from tyre shop. I will play with these to see what suits best.
Cheers
Scott.

Thanks Scott. With my GY Wranglers I'm running 42 front and 46 rear when highway towing which seems to work out okay so I'd be doing similar with LT tyres such as the Maxxis. Do they have a psi rating on the sidewall? Good to hear that the Maxxis fell better when cornering, hopefully it's not just that new tyre feeling. It would be interesting to see how you rate them in sand and off road as well as on-road in the wet.

[JamesH]

Thanks Scott. With my GY Wranglers I'm running 42 front and 46 rear when highway towing which seems to work out okay so I'd be doing similar with LT tyres such as the Maxxis.


Not towing my dealer set the pressure 40 all round. No sidewall bulging. Noise is up but at 100kph it doesn't matter. Regretfully 60 the normal urban limit is the loudest.

[scomac]

Jaybee, 46psi in the rear! Take into account the 4psi rule and they are up around 50psi.
Any signs of wear in the centre of the trye? I guess if your towing a 3T van they may need to be up that high?
Cheers
Scott.

[Babs]

Bump

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[Tombie]

Thanks Scott. With my GY Wranglers I'm running 42 front and 46 rear when highway towing which seems to work out okay so I'd be doing similar with LT tyres such as the Maxxis. Do they have a psi rating on the sidewall? Good to hear that the Maxxis fell better when cornering, hopefully it's not just that new tyre feeling. It would be interesting to see how you rate them in sand and off road as well as on-road in the wet.



That's insanely high.... Why the heck would you be doing that?

[Babs]

The more I'm reading up, the more I'm thinking of maybe just sticking with the 19" rims and giving the Maxxis LT's a go, maybe?

I'm hoping maybe in time there will be more tyre choices, maybe?

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[Grentarc]

The more I'm reading up, the more I'm thinking of maybe just sticking with the 19" rims and giving the Maxxis LT's a go, maybe?

I'm hoping maybe in time there will be more tyre choices, maybe?

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My next set will be the Maxxis unless I hear a few reports that they have a catastrophic failure - then I may have to think about it.

I am also hoping that as Maxxis can release a LT tyre in 19" it might encourage other manufacturers to pick up their game.... probably won't happen, but I can dream can't I?

[Babs]

That would be great :)
Would it be too much to ask for a 265/60-19 LT :D

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[Jaybee]

That's insanely high.... Why the heck would you be doing that?

Sorry Tombie, I should have clarified that. The D4 door plate suggests 36 front and 42 rear for a loaded vehicle so that's where I started. I'm running a Safety Tyre monitoring system on both the D4 and the caravan and the figures I mentioned (42F and 46R) are the running temperatures (hot) that I aim for. I have found that the D4 and van feel more stable at these temps when towing. I have LT tyres on the caravan and I run them at 48 to 50 when hot. Tyres appear to be a pretty contentious issue and I have been told that I could safely run the LT caravan tyres up to 60 psi.

Another contested issue is the practice of running 42 to 44 psi in 19 inch tyres when rock crawling and sharp stone tracks in order to protect the sidewalls. This is totally opposite from the accepted view of lowering the tyre pressure for these situations. Yes there would be less traction but possibly less damage and punctures to the sidewalls of the OEM 19 inch tyres?

[scomac]

Have just driven 2400km on the 19" Maxxis. Bitumen only, all good so far, starting the gibb today so more reports to come. With regard to pressures, I ran 42 cold in the rear and 39 in the front. Fully loaded no trailer. This gave me 46 and 42 hot.
Cheers
Scott

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[Jaybee]

Have just driven 2400km on the 19" Maxxis. Bitumen only, all good so far, starting the gibb today so more reports to come. With regard to pressures, I ran 42 cold in the rear and 39 in the front. Fully loaded no trailer. This gave me 46 and 42 hot.
Cheers
Scott

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Thanks for the update Scott. I would be interested to hear your reports after traveling the Gibb and surrounds. Hoping to do it next year with the van in tow.

[Tombie]

You can safely run van tyres high but it is contributing to killing the van!

Offroad we run our van at 28psi... Much nicer on the van, its contents and the tyres..

[Graeme]

The previous owner of my latest van ran the tyres at maximum labelled pressure for better fuel consumption for his LC200. I lowered the pressures and trued-up the alignment.

[Grentarc]

The previous owner of my latest van ran the tyres at maximum labelled pressure for better fuel consumption for his LC200. I lowered the pressures and trued-up the alignment.

I saw a reply on a facebook post as to "what pressures to run off road for my D4 19" tyres?" and they were serious with their reply of "get some LT tyres with 80psi rating and run them at max - you won't get any punctures when driving on sharp rocks"

[Babs]

Have just driven 2400km on the 19" Maxxis. Bitumen only, all good so far, starting the gibb today so more reports to come. With regard to pressures, I ran 42 cold in the rear and 39 in the front. Fully loaded no trailer. This gave me 46 and 42 hot. Cheers Scott Sent from my GT-N5120 using AULRO mobile app

Great, keep us posted :)

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[Babs]

I saw a reply on a facebook post as to "what pressures to run off road for my D4 19" tyres?" and they were serious with their reply of "get some LT tyres with 80psi rating and run them at max - you won't get any punctures when driving on sharp rocks"


Whaaaat! That's crazy. But if they say so.

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[RHS58]

You can safely run van tyres high but it is contributing to killing the van!

Offroad we run our van at 28psi... Much nicer on the van, its contents and the tyres..

Absolutely agree.
B-i-l runs his van tyres at 50 psi - complains that the van is falling to bits.
Won't have it that he's shaking it to bits.

Ron

[RHS58]

I saw a reply on a facebook post as to "what pressures to run off road for my D4 19" tyres?" and they were serious with their reply of "get some LT tyres with 80psi rating and run them at max - you won't get any punctures when driving on sharp rocks"

Must be true if it's on Facebook.
Even truer if it's on Wikipedia.

[Babs]

I have decided I'm going to give these Maxxis a go.

I'll get some photos up, when my new D4 arrives.

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[Tombie]

I have decided I'm going to give these Maxxis a go.

I'll get some photos up, when my new D4 arrives.

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That's a good idea mate. [emoji6]

Too many changes before you know what it does and doesn't need will make it difficult to quantify the benefits.

[Babs]

That's a good idea mate. [emoji6] Too many changes before you know what it does and doesn't need will make it difficult to quantify the benefits.

Agreed Tombie :)

Gordon inadvertently helped make my decision as he was not able to supply Black rims prior to my vehicle pick up, as the factory in UK had no stock.

Nonetheless I prefer the look of the 19" and if they don't perform to my expectations then I always have the choice to go to the GOE 18"

My next dilemma is do I powder coat the 19" rims Black or just keep them standard.
I love the White/Black theme but I'm worried the rims will get more of a working with the lower profile tyres. This just means more touch ups with a spray can. The standard alloy look still catches the eyes and would probably be a more sensible/cheaper decision to to leave them be.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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[LandyAndy]

Dont go black GOE wheels,the grey look much better:):):):):)
They match the plastic on the vehicle,recently in Albany we had 3 white D4's parked together.2 had the grey GOE wheels,1 had the black.The black GOE wheels didnt look as nice as ours,almost looked out of place as it had a white bar.I should have taken a pic.
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[Babs]

Guys what are your thoughts on the Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs in a 255/55-19 compared the Maxxis?

Overall performance on/off road and would one be noisier than the other?

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[Tombie]

Guys what are your thoughts on the Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs in a 255/55-19 compared the Maxxis?

Overall performance on/off road and would one be noisier than the other?

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Maxxis is a 119 LT and the sidewall is tougher.

Duratrac is a XL construction (softer sidewalls)

Having said that Basil runs Duratracs and is very happy.

Both are pretty quiet for an open AT

[rar110]

Dont go black GOE wheels,the grey look much better:):):):):) They match the plastic on the vehicle,recently in Albany we had 3 white D4's parked together.2 had the grey GOE wheels,1 had the black.The black GOE wheels didnt look as nice as ours,almost looked out of place as it had a white bar.I should have taken a pic. Andrew

It comes down to personal preference. I have a set of grey and a black spare. I think the grey matches in better with window tint and trim.

[rhinosm]

Grey looks much better
I color match some RRS wheels to door handles.
Reasonably happy with Duratracs.

[Tombie]

Not if you have a Black Pack [emoji48]

[Babs]

I love the Black Pack on White.
Just worried about wheels getting damaged if I powder coat them, being 19"

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[Tombie]

I love the Black Pack on White.
Just worried about wheels getting damaged if I powder coat them, being 19"

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That's what satin black acrylic is for [emoji41]
Touch up paint!

[Babs]

Maxxis are off the table, 3 month wait.

My tyre guy is pushing me to go Cooper LTZ

Any thoughts????

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[Tombie]

Maxxis are off the table, 3 month wait.

My tyre guy is pushing me to go Cooper LTZ

Any thoughts????

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Goodyear Duratrac.

[apom]

Black is good... on silver too. These are standard 19" rims, painted, not powder coated as it will last longer (apparently)

Yes Yes.... new wheel caps are on the way to complete the look!:p

[Jaybee]

Maxxis are off the table, 3 month wait.

My tyre guy is pushing me to go Cooper LTZ

Any thoughts????

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Just as I thought. I couldn't find any in Queensland as well, which begs the question - 'What happens if you need a replacement tyre?'

Also look at General Grabber AT's, available from Bob Jane

[laughto]

Goodyear Duratrac.

Ouch $421 on tyresales.com.au atm. Glad i got the Maxxis when i did.

Have done about 6k on them now, mostly blacktop and apart from being more noisey than the OEM they replaced, seem to my untrained mind to perform admirably. Little to no sign of significance wear, although have not put a gauge over them yet. Happy with wet weather performance. Managed to test out in Sydney's wet a while back without issue. In fact put the boot in on a corner which is notoriously slippery in the wet and all hung on well.

On the small amount of unsealed and off road i have done i have no issue, but then i am also no expert and probably have not challenged these tyres as others would.

[Babs]

Ok so -
• Goodyear Duratracs
• Cooper LTZ Zeons

Which one and why?

They both have similar ratings sidewall XL
Is one more robust than the other or are they much the like?

I like the look of the Duratracs but I don't think they're readily available, I can get them but what if I need another tyre in the future at short notice.

Coopers seem to keep stock on the LTZ's they're obviously more popular??????

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[Grentarc]

Coopers seem to keep stock on the LTZ's they're obviously more popular??????

Actually from what I hear it's the other way round - lots of cooper's because nobody will touch them

[Tombie]

Actually from what I hear it's the other way round - lots of cooper's because nobody will touch them



I agree. And the Duratrac is the better tyre for your purposes. Especially a bit of damp farm on a hill.

[RobA]

Met a bloke at Mitchell Falls running the duratrac's which he said had done lots of k's along the Gibb and around the Kimberley and they looked in good shape. He even had them on his camper. Older D4 with OE rims so based on that experience and regardless of the relatively low load rating they would certainly appear to be capable of doing the job in dry off road conditions and believe me what we have driven has been hard on tyres

Rob

[Babs]

Guys need some thorough info on the two -
Duratracs and Cooper LTZ Zeons

• So they both are not LT construction
• they are both load rated 111
• speed ratings LTZ are H(210klm) & Duratracs S(180klm)
• and they both have a XL sidewall
• LTZ $300p/tyre Duratracs $400+p/tyre

So am I missing something?
From that info the Duratracs don't seem to be any better (assuming not factual) are the Duratracs offering something over the LTZ that has not come to my knowledge?

Is there anyone running LTZ Zeons on their D4 and used them Offroad for some feedback.

Is one more puncture resistant than the other? Facts not assumptions please.

Is the Duratracs more overall plies and maybe thicker carcass, which is why it has a lower speed rating????????

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[Babs]

Rob, you mentioned that the Duratracs have a low load rating 1090kg per tyre as apposed to a LT 115 1215kg per tyre. That's only 125kg difference per tyre????
Is that 125kg difference substantial? I am assuming not???

I suppose over 4 tyres it's half tonne, but at 1090 per tyre that's 4.36 Tonne. I'm sure that's enough even with a fully loaded D4?

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[Babs]

Just found contradictory information on Duratracs saying they are speed rated Q 160klm.
Not sure if they are a Q or an S?

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[Graeme]

Duratrac in 255/55R19 is XL 111 S.
XL refers to the overall construction, not specifically the sidewalls.

[Grentarc]

Duratracs are "S" rated

The problem people have is with the 19" Coopers - the 20" and 18" don't seem to have the cracking problems that the 19" has. The ONLY 19" LT tyre is the Maxxis offering, all others are XL at best.

[Tombie]

Duratrac has better grip and compound.

Duratrac going by history less likely to chip or delaminate and destroy wheel arch!

[Babs]

Duratracs certainly look better, although the Zeons look good as well but it's more durability I'm after.

There is good and bad reviews on both but seems to be a lot more bad reviews on Zeons due to sidewall damage.
There is some Duratracs sidewall damage reviews but overall seems to be the preferred tyre choice for D4.

These are all overseas forums I have been surfing.

Someone made the comment that the new version Duratracs for 19" are a 3 ply sidewall, I find this highly unlikely but if anyone is up to scratch on the specs please enlighten us :)

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[Graeme]

According to their web-site, Tempe Tyres has a few Duratracs at $340 incl F&B.

[Babs]

According to their web-site, Tempe Tyres has a few Duratracs at $340 incl F&B.

I did see that:) cheers

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[Babs]

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I wonder what happened here?
Edit: Found my own answer

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[Chilly]

I have not read all 18 pages but have just looked at Tempe Tyres selection and have seen these...

255/55R19 111S
Trail Blade M/T
ATTURO
$280 each

Thoughts?

Chilly

[Grentarc]

I have not read all 18 pages but have just looked at Tempe Tyres selection and have seen these...

255/55R19 111S
Trail Blade M/T
ATTURO
$280 each

Thoughts?

Chilly

There is a thread about these ones already - as I am on my phone, I can't post a link easily sorry

[Babs]

Here is the link

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/236217-19-atturo-trail-blade-m-t-255-55r19.html

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[laughto]

Maxxis are off the table, 3 month wait.



Jax have Maxxis advertised again on their website @ $331/corner. Not sure it means they have them in stock. If they are, you should be able to squeeze out a better deal.

[Babs]

Cheers, one step ahead though. Rang Jax today they don't keep stock. He checked data base to see if another store had got them in and no luck.

If anyone knows a dealer who has them in stock and could let me know it would be appreciated. Cheers :)

Even interstate guys, there must be a set somewhere in Aus?

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[LandyAndy]

I sent a link to Tailslide (Ron) for a matching tyre for his new Defender that arent available in Australia.He got one and reasonably quick.
Tyroola was the mob,send him a PM if you want any more info(fitting etc)
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

https://www.tyroola.com.au/goodyear-wrangler-duratrac-25555r19-111s-tl-ty54bc4b68ce.html

Andrew

[Babs]

https://www.tyroola.com.au/goodyear-wrangler-duratrac-25555r19-111s-tl-ty54bc4b68ce.html Andrew


Andy that link is not working.
Do they have the Maxxis?

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[Babs]

Does anyone know what the stock tyres are that the new LR4 comes with?

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[Jaybee]

Does anyone know what the stock tyres are that the new LR4 comes with?

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I don't know the new OEM's but the Brisbane dealer is offering Cooper LTZ's and Pirelli Scorpion ATR's as retread choices.

[Babs]

James H, how are your Maxxis going?

Can we get some more pics of them, not so close up?
It would be great to see them with most of the vehicle in the shot ;)

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[LandyAndy]

Andy that link is not working.
Do they have the Maxxis?

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Link works OK for me.
Try googling Tyroola.
They dont have the Maxxis listed everyone here have bought.
If anybody is chasing Nitto Grappler tyres(18" and 20",no 19" listed) they have a buy 3 get one free deal happening.
Andrew

[JamesH]

James H, how are your Maxxis going?

Can we get some more pics of them, not so close up?
It would be great to see them with most of the vehicle in the shot ;)

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They are going fine but have not tested them in rough conditions. Noisiest at 60kph but that's ok. I'll post some pics soon.

[laughto]

Have not done a lot of off road driving in the 9k of having the Maxxis tyres, but the latest was the 100k round trip to Jim Jim Falls yesterday. Fairly rough corrugated road for the most part. Unfortunately I have nothing to compare to as this is our first 4WD and only real run on such a road. Felt pretty good to me moving along between 60 - 70 and at times up to about 90 in the better sections. Was still overtaken by one other vehicle at one stage! Tyres seem to have survived well no noticeable issues, although the edges have certainly lost their 'sharpness'. This may have been slowly occurring over time anyway.

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[Babs]

Laughto thanks for the update, any chance off getting a photo of the rims and tyres a couple of metres back, I wanted to see what they look like on :)

Also I can't remember if it was discussed here, are the Maxxis 980 a 3 ply or 2 ply sidewall❓

I'm thinking about running with the standard tyres until the Maxxis come into the country which will still be a couple of months.

I can then keep one of the original tyres as an emergency 6th spare and sell off the other 4 to anyone who wants the same thing. At least I can recoup something on them seen as I won't be able to trade them in after a couple months driving. :(

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[laughto]

6 ply tyre, 2 ply sidewall.

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[Babs]

6 ply tyre, 2 ply sidewall. Sent from my SM-G920I using AULRO mobile app

Appreciated :D

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[Tombie]

10 Ply Rated though..

Plys are a misnomer nowadays as some use very fine denier cord while some use much heavier cord.

Some use a more tear resistant cord others use materials such as Kevlar..

Considering the major resistance comes from the rubber itself the construction design has as much if not more influence on the tyre strength.

Another factor that has been discussed before - some people are just harder on their tyres - not consciously, not deliberately... They just are....

The other factor - A D4 makes it really easy to go harder than you would in another vehicle.
Bytemark and I discussed this at length.. The vehicle is working VERY hard and is doing an exceptional job isolating you from it.
It's then possible to push beyond the limits of the tyres and cause damage..

As an example - a track nearby that I would use for mine runs etc in A Prado, Hilux or even the Defender was a 80-90km/h maximum track..In the D4 it was easy to get well above 130-140 without feeling any risk.

[Babs]

Finally got an ETA from Maxxis and had my tyre guy put in an order for 5. I thought I'd give them one more try today as I was about to go with Duratracs.

It worked out well as there was only 5 Duratracs left in the country in WA and I spoke with one of their tech guys today and he gave me some good info but didn't install a lot of confidence with regards to sidewalls.
I would choose them solely on recommendations from the forum.

Nevertheless I think the Maxxis will be the best choice considering its LT construction and higher load rating. (I never thought I'd be saying Maxxis is the best choice, gee on another thread I was bagging out Maxxis and now I've just (forcefully) ordered a set).

Either way the Duratracs, General Grabbers, Cooper Zeons etc could all do the same job it just comes down to peace of mind, I will feel that little more at ease knowing this is the strongest construction tyre available in my limited choice of 19".

Proof remains to be seen, time will tell :)



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[apom]

10 Ply Rated though..

....Another factor that has been discussed before - some people are just harder on their tyres - not consciously, not deliberately... They just are....

The other factor - A D4 makes it really easy to go harder than you would in another vehicle....

Its a great point Tombie. Such an amazing vehicle at isolating you from the real world. The biggest factor for wear in any vehicle, but even more so in the D4, is the organic factor!

[scomac]

Well finished the GRR and now
In Kunnunara. Have done 3700km on the Maxxis and so far no punctures and no chipping. Ran pressures at 35 and 32 on the Gibb at about 80km/h towing a CT.
Cheers
Scott
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[Tombie]

Good feedback!

[laughto]

Well finished the GRR and now
In Kunnunara. Have done 3700km on the Maxxis and so far no punctures and no chipping. Ran pressures at 35 and 32 on the Gibb at about 80km/h towing a CT.
Cheers
Scott
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Sorry, cannot see from the photo, is there any rounding off on the edges. Mine have lost the 'sharpness' on the edges.

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[Grentarc]

I noticed a month or 2 ago that my sparky neighbour has the Maxxis AT980s on his work ute (Colorado) in LT255/70R16 - his ute is parked very close to my house, so I am able to keep a close eye on how his wear with all the suburban driving he does. My Hankooks are still going strong, so will be some time until I organise a set of Maxxis.

[Tombie]

Sorry, cannot see from the photo, is there any rounding off on the edges. Mine have lost the 'sharpness' on the edges.

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That's normal... Any tyre will do that from block squirm.

[cjc_td5]

Well finished the GRR and now
In Kunnunara. Have done 3700km on the Maxxis and so far no punctures and no chipping. Ran pressures at 35 and 32 on the Gibb at about 80km/h towing a CT.
Cheers
Scott
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Thanks mate.
Any tyre that can do the eastern end of the GRR with little/no distress has to be tough. I chipped the BFGs on my old D2 to pieces on that road.

Hope you had a great trip.

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[Babs]

I wrote to BFG Australia the other day, asking if they will be bringing out their KO2 in 19" in the near future.

This was their response-

Hi Mark,

The BFGoodrich brand has a rich history in the development of tires in the USA market.

The Tire & Rim Association is the reference for the USA dimensions which are manufactured. The rim size of 19 inch does not appear in the tire standard. For this reason no products are available in the 19" tire dimension fitted to your vehicle.

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[Meken]

Send them a picture - you know the saying

[Tombie]

Thanks mate.
Any tyre that can do the eastern end of the GRR with little/no distress has to be tough. I chipped the BFGs on my old D2 to pieces on that road.

Hope you had a great trip.

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It's a good indicator for sure...

Another key factor he posted - sat on 80km/h..

This is a key factor, as well as being road aware (when doing the Transcontinental track we had to scan the road for old rail spikes everywhere).

In a D4 etc it's way too easy to get over enthusiastic on those surfaces and push to 100+km/h and still feel comfortable.. This is when tyres start to become very vulnerable.

[ozscott]

My mate just had his D3 written off and has gone to the last D3 with 19's. He likes my Maxxis LT on 16 in so I will tell him about this thread. I hope I had some small influence in that Babs! IMHO Maxxis make a very tough tyre that handles and brakes well. I had my D2 at full GVM the other day and the AT"s were fantastic Offroad in very tough gibber stones for hours and very sweet on the highway. Cheers

Cheers

[Babs]

My mate just had his D3 written off and has gone to the last D3 with 19's. He likes my Maxxis LT on 16 in so I will tell him about this thread. I hope I had some small influence in that Babs! IMHO Maxxis make a very tough tyre that handles and brakes well. I had my D2 at full GVM the other day and the AT"s were fantastic Offroad in very tough gibber stones for hours and very sweet on the highway. Cheers Cheers

Yes Scott you did, our conversation in the other thread was in the back of my mind.

Like I said, I never thought I would ever buy a set of Maxxis but due to circumstances they look like the best option available. Just goes to show what curve balls life throws at you. I'll have to swallow my tongue on that one :)

Who knows I might be the new advocate for Maxxis :)

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[ozscott]

Good onya champ. Cheers

[scomac]

Sorry, cannot see from the photo, is there any rounding off on the edges. Mine have lost the 'sharpness' on the edges.

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No rounding off, they still look new. Heard of a D4 that blew 3 tyres. Not sure what they were.
Cheers
Scott

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[LandyAndy]

Easy to do with oem rubber.Simply keep highway pressure and sit on 120/130 on the dirt as there are no police out there:):):):):)
Andrew

[Babs]

My Maxxis came in today, I went in to get them fitted but they were way too busy for me to hang around, so I'm going back tomorrow.

I'll post some pics once they're on :)

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[Hugh Jars]

Where are you getting yours from, Babs?

[geordiepride]

I have maxxis on my d2 they are good at first but give them time


they a very slow to wear out due to compound of rubber being harder
this also makes an all wheel drive slide on wet roads this is a pain and dangerous


off road use never had any issues on traction but tyre pressures need to be very low low


resulting of side walls with air pockets or egged side walls as the side walls bleed air


ps beaware when tyre shops have sales there is a number coded on the tyre this is a date / age of the tyre basically a best before date

[Babs]

Where are you getting yours from, Babs?

Tyre King Hugh

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[Babs]

I have maxxis on my d2 they are good at first but give them time they a very slow to wear out due to compound of rubber being harder this also makes an all wheel drive slide on wet roads this is a pain and dangerous off road use never had any issues on traction but tyre pressures need to be very low low resulting of side walls with air pockets or egged side walls as the side walls bleed air ps beaware when tyre shops have sales there is a number coded on the tyre this is a date / age of the tyre basically a best before date


I can't comment on their performance, I'm just going by what others have experienced on this forum.

In saying that they're the only choice in a LT construction for a 19" rim.

Time will tell, I'll keep you all posted.

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[Babs]

Got em.

They're bloody noisey, I can still here the whine over the radio. I'm sure I'll get used to it though.



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[Tombie]

Look the goods...

[scarry]

Are they noisy at all speeds,or just up to approximately 60k's,then the other noises drown the tyre noise out?

[ozscott]

Anything is going to be noisy compared to HT if that is what was on there before. As for becoming slippery I hope this size is like the 16 inch 751 and Bighorn where the grip just keeps giving. Cheers

[Tombie]

They'll get a little quieter once the sharp edge is taken off..

[LandyAndy]

Got em.

They're bloody noisey, I can still here the whine over the radio. I'm sure I'll get used to it though.



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Made for Defender owners who have no hearing left,perhaps you should have waited another 12 months before getting the D4:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[Babs]

Made for Defender owners who have no hearing left,perhaps you should have waited another 12 months before getting the D4:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool: Andrew

Ha ha ha :) still quiet compared to the Defender

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[Babs]

Are they noisy at all speeds,or just up to approximately 60k's,then the other noises drown the tyre noise out?

As mentioned by someone else, I can't remember who without going back copious posts, they are noticeably noisier 60-80klm/ph.

Drove to site tonight and had a good stint on M7 and M5 , at 100klm+ I couldn't hear them, the wind noise was more noticeable.

They felt good, smooth and more satisfied that I don't have to do long highway drives with a constant droning noise, thank God. Let's hope that doesn't change as they wear. :D

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[Tombie]

You'll be right Babs...

[Babs]

I can't wait to test them up the farm. See what they're like climbing ❓

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[laughto]

Don't worry about the noise, I can no longer hear mine. Maybe I have just gotten used to them, maybe the worn edges have reduced the noise as Tombie suggested, or maybe I am just getting deafer.


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[Meken]

Don't worry about the noise, I can no longer hear mine. Maybe I have just gotten used to them, maybe the worn edges have reduced the noise as Tombie suggested, or maybe I am just getting deafer.


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Did you say you are going deefer ?

[LandyAndy]

I can't wait to test them up the farm. See what they're like climbing ❓

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DONT FORGET THE GOLDEN RULE.Once you select a "special program" turn off the DSC.And you will need to do so every time you re-start or change progams.
If DSC is active it will cut power just when you need it;);););)
ENJOY
Andrew

[Babs]

DONT FORGET THE GOLDEN RULE.Once you select a "special program" turn off the DSC.And you will need to do so every time you re-start or change progams. If DSC is active it will cut power just when you need it;);););) ENJOY Andrew

Thanks Andy, oh and that reminds me, I was going to post this question, where is the DSC selected from ❓ all I can see is a TC switch on dash.

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[letherm]

Thanks Andy, oh and that reminds me, I was going to post this question, where is the DSC selected from ❓ all I can see is a TC switch on dash.

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My MY13 has a button on or above the console.

Martin

[Tombie]

Thanks Andy, oh and that reminds me, I was going to post this question, where is the DSC selected from [emoji780] all I can see is a TC switch on dash.

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No you can't - it's a DSC symbol :)

[LandyAndy]

Its the skiddy car switch;););)
Andrew

[Meken]

Leave dsc on for hill descent though - it helps keep the car going where it supposed to (using yaw sensors steering angle input etc)
Don't you really only want to turn it off when you know you'll be bounced around but not out of control - like following ruts in sand or mud (as you bounce side to side in sand ruts the dsc will think you are losing control and cut power - when in fact you are just having fun [emoji51])

[Hugh Jars]

Sorry, wrong thread

[Babs]

Its the skiddy car switch;););) Andrew


This one here ❓

I thought this was the Trac Control switch ❓



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[scomac]

To get the thread back on the track, here are some pics of the Maxxis after 10k. Mostly driven on the black stuff but also the GRR fully loaded.
Cheers
Scott.


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[Tombie]

This one here [emoji780]

I thought this was the Trac Control switch [emoji780]



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Yep that's DSC. The Terrain Reaponse sorts the Traction Control.

[Babs]

Yep that's DSC. The Terrain Reaponse sorts the Traction Control.

Thanks Tombie, that clears up my confusion. :)

That same symbol in other 4wds is the TC.

Good tip regarding turning this off guys, thanks. :)

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[scarry]

Yep that's DSC. The Terrain Reaponse sorts the Traction Control.

Just to confuse things...


Also DSC will occasionally come on in high range,even when the DSC switch is off.

As an example i have had this happen charging up a very soft sandy section of a track.

In Low range, it didn't happen.

[Meken]

Just to confuse things...





Also DSC will occasionally come on in high range,even when the DSC switch is off.



As an example i have had this happen charging up a very soft sandy section of a track.



In Low range, it didn't happen.


It's "always" on - when you press the button it lessens its interference depending on the terrain response mode - if you get crossed up enough it will still kick in.

[Babs]

Tyre update.

19" Maxxis Bravo 980 LT

This is based on this weekend's events.

Country roads 100klm + or - ✅
Steep wet climbs on farm ✅
Corrugations and cattle grids ✅
Noise levels above 80klm ✅ not noticeable

They gripped well on the steeeep wet climbs, I'm now confident they will do what I want from them.

I pushed them on the dirt roads and corrugations winding road, they didn't slip at all, I think the vehicle helps out there as well though.

Oh and I didn't drop tyre pressures, they are all on 40psi.

Going from highway speed to slowing down for 60 zones I noticed the noise level jumped.
I was driving through Musselbrook and as I slowed down I remember thinking what is that whining.

So yes they are noticeable I'd say under 80klm/ph but acceptable, I have gotten used to them. The important thing is I can't hear them up above 80klm/ph so smooth sailing.

I'm yet to test/push them on wet black top, I'll keep you posted.

Hope this info helps if you're contemplating going with the Maxxis.

Oh and I'm convinced you don't need to waste your money on the 18" rim conversions.

I'm always one to haste into wanting the best most indestructible option and have no problem paying for it but I'm glad I made a sensible decision this time (ha ha ha it wasn't all sensible thinking, lack of supply of the 18" rims on time made me opt for staying with my standard rims, oh and the fact I wasn't that keen on the 18" design) nevertheless it worked out better for me in the end.



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Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[Babs]

Here I'll get in first before someone corrects me its Muswellbrook.

Blooming spell check, I misspelled it once and spell check remembers to help me misspell every time :D

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[Milton477]

After my first beach run, I am also happy that the 19's will be ok for 99% of what I may encounter.

[rar110]

In my experience 19" tyres are quite ok in sand. I generally let pressure down to about 20 psi.

The real risk may come with rocky or corrugated roads. That's the main reason I went to GOE rims and 18" tyres.

[JamesH]

Tyre update.

19" Maxxis Bravo 980 LT

This is based on this weekend's events.

Country roads 100klm + or - [emoji736]
Steep wet climbs on farm [emoji736]
Corrugations and cattle grids [emoji736]
Noise levels above 80klm [emoji736] not noticeable

They gripped well on the steeeep wet climbs, I'm now confident they will do what I want from them.

I pushed them on the dirt roads and corrugations winding road, they didn't slip at all, I think the vehicle helps out there as well though.

Oh and I didn't drop tyre pressures, they are all on 40psi.

Going from highway speed to slowing down for 60 zones I noticed the noise level jumped.
I was driving through Musselbrook and as I slowed down I remember thinking what is that whining.

So yes they are noticeable I'd say under 80klm/ph but acceptable, I have gotten used to them. The important thing is I can't hear them up above 80klm/ph so smooth sailing.

I'm yet to test/push them on wet black top, I'll keep you posted.

Hope this info helps if you're contemplating going with the Maxxis.

Oh and I'm convinced you don't need to waste your money on the 18" rim conversions.

I'm always one to haste into wanting the best most indestructible option and have no problem paying for it but I'm glad I made a sensible decision this time (ha ha ha it wasn't all sensible thinking, lack of supply of the 18" rims on time made me opt for staying with my standard rims, oh and the fact I wasn't that keen on the 18" design) nevertheless it worked out better for me in the end.


Thanks heaps for this post, Babs. I'm only sorry I haven't had opportunities to test mine the same way.

I notice you don't have mud flaps. I have a cheapo set of rubber ones on the front only. Have you noticed these tyres throw more dirt? I'm looking at the back wheels and I think they might do.

[Babs]

Thanks heaps for this post, Babs. I'm only sorry I haven't had opportunities to test mine the same way. I notice you don't have mud flaps. I have a cheapo set of rubber ones on the front only. Have you noticed these tyres throw more dirt? I'm looking at the back wheels and I think they might do.


James I have nothing to compare to as I have only had these tyres on this vehicle but they definitely throw mud up, I'm sure any other tyre would do the same so mud flaps would be essential :)

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[Jaybee]

I notice you don't have mud flaps. I have a cheapo set of rubber ones on the front only. Have you noticed these tyres throw more dirt? I'm looking at the back wheels and I think they might do.[/QUOTE]

Hi James/Babs

Here's some suggestions for mud flaps from Scott who seems to have sussed it out

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/231573-mud-flaps-side-protection.html

Jaybee

[SteveK]

Just to confuse things a bit, new Coooper additions

Cooper Adds Courser CXT Tire to Mastercraft Line - Suppliers - Modern Tire Dealer (http://www.moderntiredealer.com/news/714913/cooper-adds-courser-cxt-tire-to-mastercraft-line)


The new Courser CXT is is engineered to handle rough off-road conditions, while maintaining highway traction through all four seasons.