D4 Fuel Tank Capacity

[rhinosm]

My 2016 D4 documentation states a fuel tank capacity of 83L
I have run it down to only a few km's left and still I can only get 72L max in tank.
Is my gauge out or tank not filling correctly?:(

[LandyAndy]

The ECU is very generous with the KM to empty.There is plenty of reserve there.
Be aware it has a 2 stage run out of fuel warning.It will stop,you will think you just ran out of fuel.It will re-start to allow you to get to a fuel station asap.If you trigger the second run out of fuel Im told you need to tip 20L of diesel in to get the system primed.
Im yet to carry some fuel onboard and test the first runout.Has anybody done the experiment yet?????
Andrew

[Meken]

No but the max I've ever put in was 72l & the last few fills have been under 70L even though I was down to less than 50ks range

[scarry]

I have put 76 in mine a few times.

[ghoti]

Has anybody done the experiment yet?????

Not quite... Inattention saw us 30km from neaerest town with 15km to empty and we were towing a 2 tonne boat. Reahed the town and put 78 litres in. Last 15km just displayed 0 km to empty.

Cheers,
Scott

[LandyAndy]

Not quite... Inattention saw us 30km from neaerest town with 15km to empty and we were towing a 2 tonne boat. Reahed the town and put 78 litres in. Last 15km just displayed 0 km to empty.

Cheers,
Scott
Yet you still didnt trip the first warning when it stops like its out of fuel:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Being a country resident I keep it full,great to know the ECU does help inattention:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::co ol::cool:
Andrew

[Bytemrk]

They are protecting you from the damage caused by running it dry.... as stated, they are super conservative.


Most I have squeezed in in one go was 179 litres... :D



But I do have a little 105 litre cheat under the back....:angel:

[rocmic]

Yes very conservative like most modern cars. D3, Fuel light on and carputer says 60km to go, most I have squeezed in was about 78 litres. My wife's BMW was similarly conservative.
Cheers
Mike

[LandyAndy]

The fuel in the tank is used to cool the fuel pump so it may be part of the distance to empty maths.
Andrew

[Meken]

If my previous bmw fuel light came on (showing about 50km range) you had to get fuel in the next 10ks or it was empty [emoji47]

[Chops]

What sort of mileage are you getting from your 70/72Lts?

[Plane Fixer]

I have got an average since new 11.04litres/100km and have now done 125000km. I do not drive for economy.:angel:

[Meken]

Except for the beach driving anomaly of between 20-40l/100 mine usually sits around low 9 - and I drive it like a sports car - I'm very impressed - my bmw was well above 14 same driving style

[apom]

Except for the beach driving anomaly of between 20-40l/100 mine usually sits around low 9 - and I drive it like a sports car - I'm very impressed - my bmw was well above 14 same driving style

The 40l/100 came from trying to get that RRS unstuck!!! :D

[cjc_td5]

What sort of mileage are you getting from your 70/72Lts?

60,000km in 2 years. I get between 10-11l/100km generally, rising to 15-18l/100km when towing a 2T boat.

[LandyAndy]

Mine is usually between 9 and 10 L 100km.MOST of my driving is 110kmh on cruise.
If you are on 80 or 90kmh roads and light traffic the numbers tumble.80kmh in 8th is 1200rpm,and they will lug up hills like that too:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[letherm]

My reading from my phone app rather than the car and so should be accurate are:

Kms :16667
Time : 2 years 5 months
Avg L/100 : 12.810
Min L/100 : 6.735
Max L/100 : 16.667

I would drive 98% short Sydney suburban trips less than 10kms and a lot of those would be around 5km trips. So, I would be a relatively worst case scenario. My previous car, a Pajero used to use plus 20 L/100.

I'm quite happy with the economy given my usage.

Martin

[scarry]

Mine did 9.6l/100 on a 600k trip last weekend.I worked this out myself,readout was at 8.9l/100.Just lightly loaded,lots of hills.

Around town it generally gets 11 to 12.5l/100.

The best i have had is 9.2l/100,empty,just the driver,and the dog, on a 600k trip,not actually driving for economy,a fair bit of high speed overtaking (mainly toyotas:D)which was surprising.

I find on a run in a hilly area,if i sit at 105 to 110km/hr,it climbs over the hills easy,but if i hit them at around 95 to 100km/hr,it hangs in the higher gear and struggles,unless you give the loud pedal a good push.

[Meken]

The 40l/100 came from trying to get that RRS unstuck!!! :D


On the run home down around hook point near high tide we were probably up 45+l/ 100 - sand was softer than anything on the eastern side - that's what 3000rpm in low range leaving 10" deep tracks gets you - lucky it was only a couple of k's [emoji21]

[Meken]

Mine is usually between 9 and 10 L 100km.MOST of my driving is 110kmh on cruise.

If you are on 80 or 90kmh roads and light traffic the numbers tumble.80kmh in 8th is 1200rpm,and they will lug up hills like that too:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

Andrew


Try monitoring the instant fuel figures - if it's lugging at 1200rpm flick down to 7th or 6th - I see better instant fuel consumption at 1600-2000rpm than at 1200 "lugging"

[LandyAndy]

I train mine to lug at low revs using the + up and cruise.
Not worried about the fuel usage,I make it labour as its the only time the bloody thing has to work.All about avoiding glazed cylinder bores,not that I have found it a problem in both the TD5s Ive owned.Anything asian I have had anything to do with glaze up really bad,dirty stinking engines;););););)
Andrew

[letherm]

I train mine to lug at low revs using the + up and cruise.
Not worried about the fuel usage,I make it labour as its the only time the bloody thing has to work.All about avoiding glazed cylinder bores,not that I have found it a problem in both the TD5s Ive owned.Anything asian I have had anything to do with glaze up really bad,dirty stinking engines;););););)
Andrew

Interesting post Andy. I'm surprised that's the case - as in I hadn't thought of that. This is my first diesel car and when it labours as you describe I kick it down a gear but that's probably because I've only owned petrol cars before. Maybe I should let it labour:p:p:p

Martin

[LandyAndy]

I would make it work.
A lazy diesel will glaze bores.Anybody with Tojos Nissans Mitsis will know.
When I was a sodbusters slave I was supplied with a toyota 4.2 landbruiser,during seeding I used it to tow a 3000lt boomspray,flat out in 3rd or 4th lowrange.After seeding it was like a new vehicle power wise;);););)
Our Trytoo would glaze badly,used Cost effective solutions product on it,it made a hell of a difference.We serviced my mates 4.2 cruiser ute with the stuff before he returned to Derby from Williams towing a tandem trailer with all his goods a chatels,he rang me up when he got home."What was that giz you put in my oil??? never had so much power and it used much less fuel"
Ive never put it in my TD5's,wasnt needed.
This stuff isnt snake oil it works!!!!
Cost Effective Maintenance - Home (http://www.costeffective.com.au/)
Late Landy motors are very clean,so less carbon build up.Making them work will keep things clean.
Andrew

[bsperka]

X2. It's good kit and fixes Toyota diesel issues.

[Chops]

Thanks guys, so my calculations say you are getting somewhere between 600-700 per approx 72lts depending on you driving style and town/country.
I would have thought it would have done a bit better than that. I'm happy I won't be running a roof rack at this point, so that should keep the numbers a bit on the higher side I guess.

Cheers

[JamesH]

Mine is usually between 9 and 10 L 100km.MOST of my driving is 110kmh on cruise.

If you are on 80 or 90kmh roads and light traffic the numbers tumble.80kmh in 8th is 1200rpm,and they will lug up hills like that too:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

Andrew


Is that calculated from the pump, Andrew?

After 3.5 years and 58K I'm at 10.3 measured at the pump. Drive like at nanna. You're right about 110 though, you save money if you care to slow down to 100.

It so happened a mate in an identical car to mine, down to the arb bull bar. Left the Miami pie caravan near Pinjarra the same time as I. He set off at the limit of 112 and I at 104. Beat me to Margaret River by 8 mins. If you're in a hurry, then you're in a hurry, but if you're not why bother for 8 mins. But I'm going off thread.

[LandyAndy]

James I dont worry too much about the pump and ECU readout.Checked it several times is almost spot on.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Taken the D4 to Harvey yet James???
Gordon has invited me a couple of times,still too new so Ive declined:):):):):):)
Andrew

[BMKal]

Thanks guys, so my calculations say you are getting somewhere between 600-700 per approx 72lts depending on you driving style and town/country.
I would have thought it would have done a bit better than that. I'm happy I won't be running a roof rack at this point, so that should keep the numbers a bit on the higher side I guess.

Cheers

Before I fitted the long range tank, I used to easily get from Kalgoorlie to Perth or from Perth to Kalgoorlie (600km one way). The gauge would be showing slightly under 1/4 and I do not normally like to run a fuel tank below about 1/4 - but I knew that the Disco would make the distance easily. This was with bulbar and full length roofrack fitted, but rarely anything on top of the rack.

Now that I have the long range tank, I regularly do the return trip plus 2 or 3 days running around in Perth, without the need to buy fuel while I'm away. ;)

[shanegtr]

They are protecting you from the damage caused by running it dry.... as stated, they are super conservative.


Most I have squeezed in in one go was 179 litres... :D



But I do have a little 105 litre cheat under the back....:angel:
I managed 180 once, normally Im filling up between 150-170L

[chuck]

Chops

I am running about 7.6 litres per 100 according to the trip meter.

Checked both A & B trip meters with B being constant since new at 7.8 & A being per tank currently running at 7.4.

Most of my trips are freeway from Heathcote Junction into Melbourne & beyond.

[Chops]

Chops

I am running about 7.6 litres per 100 according to the trip meter.

Checked both A & B trip meters with B being constant since new at 7.8 & A being per tank currently running at 7.4.

Most of my trips are freeway from Heathcote Junction into Melbourne & beyond.



:o Any tips on how you do that constantly Chuck? The Mrs will be pleased :D ,,, not sure I want to drive like a granny though :angel:, if that's how your doing it.

[LandyAndy]

To get that he will be travelling between 70 and 90 kmh without having to stop start.
They love those speeds and the engine will only be doing 1200rpm:):):):):):)
Andrew

[chuck]

Andrew

Not quite - 110 & 100 on cruise control.

The trip into Melbourne is almost all downhill & I can do that leg at 5.9 litres per 100.

I do a lot of km for work so yes I am quite relaxed about it, there is no point getting stuck in, in Melbourne traffic.

Tyre pressures are high usually 40 psi.

[rocmic]

Sort of irrelevant but 08 D3 over 199,000 km average 12l/ 100 km. Unfortunately mostly stop start Sydney traffic. On a good run in the country that drops drastically to around 9 - 10 l / 100.
I would expect the D4 to be better.
Cheers
Mike

[rhinosm]

I ran tank down to 8km left by gauge.
It took 75L to fill.
Does that mean I have 7-8L left in tank before filling up.
Vin

[laughto]

On recent trip to Adelaide and back (~5,000 klms) averaged 12.4l/100 pulling a 2.1t Camper trailer. Probably did around 1K of those Klms without the van. This with an unladen Pioneer Tray on top. Fairly conservative driving - 90 to 115kph generally on open road.

[ytt105]

That's probably true.

I ran out of fuel in my 2005 TDV6 and what it does is close the engine down slowly so you have time to get of the road but it still leaves some fuel in the tank so you don't have to prime the system to get it going.
When the NRMA arrived with 10 litres of fuel, he just pored it into the tank and the car started straight away.

I then drove normally to the nearest servo.

Missed it by 4kms.

Very clever machine.

[VK3GJM]

With all my bling and front runner roof rack at 68,000km:-

Around town, 10.6lts/100km, combination of freeway and side roads.
Towing fully loaded near gvm, 2 X 20 ltr jerry cans on roof, on tow X20 ultimate camper at 1420kg, ave 12.8-13.3lts/100km depending on conditions.

Lowest point in tank was a reserve of 11 litres left, 510km as a rough range.

[shedmarket]

This is my first discovery, bought the SE in January and it is the MY16 build model. Fuel light would come on and distance to empty would be 50 to 60 kilometres yet would only take 60 to 62 litres. Specification sheet reads 82.3 litres USEABLE.


On one trip miscalculated distance to next town and distance to empty read zero 15 kilometres out of town. Made it to the next town without running out and still only took 69 litres. Contacted Land Rover and they had me take it to a dealer who put the diagnostic computer on and said all is OK.


So, to test it out I put a jerry can in the vehicle with 15 litres in it and ran it until, like the book states, it started misfiring to indicate running out is immanent. Drove about 5 kilometres to next servo and first clicked off at 58 litres but after several attempts squeezed in 60 litres neat.


So in reality the tank holds 75 litres useable, not 82.3 litres. Pretty disappointed in that to be honest, coming from owning Land Cruisers previously with their healthy capacity and one Touareg (90 litres capacity) I nearly didn't buy the Discovery due to such a small indicated tank. Now to find out it isn't even what they state I feel ripped off. My business partner was looking seriously at one too but he has now gone off it, what else have they exaggerated?


For the record, I sent another email to them saying I wasn't happy and they didn't even bother responding.

[scarry]

Your tank could be faulty,heard of something similar on here.

The max that I have ever put in mine is 76 litres.

That small tank is one of the very few downfalls of the vehicle.

[Graeme]

Specification sheet reads 82.3 litres USEABLE....
So in reality the tank holds 75 litres useable, not 82.3 litres.Is that spec for the diesel or petrol engine? Previously only the petrol engine had the greater usable fuel tank spec.

[shedmarket]

Is that spec for the diesel or petrol engine? Previously only the petrol engine had the greater usable fuel tank spec.



Landrover Australia have a downloadable specification sheet for Australian models which states the diesel fuel capacity is 82.3 litres useable. The owners manual states the same.


If they had stated it was an 82.3 litre tank and you could only use 75 litres that could be understandable but they put in the word "useable". Truth be told if the fuel tank capacity was listed as 75 litres useable I probably would not have purchased the thing. Might give it a bit more thought and go through consumer affairs to see where I stand.


Very disappointing really as so far the whole Land Rover experience has been pretty good. Now you start to think what else isn't correct.

[Graeme]

I think the most I put in mine was about 78L but that was without hitting the first out-of-fuel condition so perhaps 82/83L is the maximum that can be used (early D4s had a stated 84L total capacity and that probably hasn't changed), but stating 82L "usable" is a fair stretch for normal conditions. Hopefully the lower realistic usable capacity will seem insignificant considering the benefits of the D4. I could get 950 kms from my TD5 D2's 95L tank on a particular round trip whereas the D4 wouldn't go the distance, but was a far better vehicle in almost every aspect. If you do much travelling away from civilisation then even 82L wouldn't be enough.

[apom]

So if i get the IID Tool can i reset the low fuel warning to something decent. Even when i run it to zero km the most i have put in is about 68 Litres.

On that same question, by fixing it , does it make the fuel usage actually closer to reality (if fixing the speedo etc to correct and removing the error)

[scarry]

And following on from Graeme,if towing, for example a heavy van,the standard tank is pretty hopeless.

There after market long range tanks available..

I actually got 1100k's out of a tank of fuel in my D2a,on a long run.You could actually squeeze more than 95l in it.

[Graeme]

I regularly managed 1250-1300 kms from my 99 TD5 D2 until a good MAF was fitted. However it ran so lean on light throttle that it had a dangerous dead spot.

The D4 low fuel warning can't be altered but the calculated fuel consumption can be adjusted using an appropriate diag tool. As for 68L, are you persisting in filling it right up, dribbling in another 8-10L after the first cut-off?

[Stuart02]

I've put 81 litres in the RRS a couple of times without the trip computer having quite hit zero. Something's gotta be NQR?

[LandyAndy]

This is my first discovery, bought the SE in January and it is the MY16 build model. Fuel light would come on and distance to empty would be 50 to 60 kilometres yet would only take 60 to 62 litres. Specification sheet reads 82.3 litres USEABLE.


On one trip miscalculated distance to next town and distance to empty read zero 15 kilometres out of town. Made it to the next town without running out and still only took 69 litres. Contacted Land Rover and they had me take it to a dealer who put the diagnostic computer on and said all is OK.


So, to test it out I put a jerry can in the vehicle with 15 litres in it and ran it until, like the book states, it started misfiring to indicate running out is immanent. Drove about 5 kilometres to next servo and first clicked off at 58 litres but after several attempts squeezed in 60 litres neat.


So in reality the tank holds 75 litres useable, not 82.3 litres. Pretty disappointed in that to be honest, coming from owning Land Cruisers previously with their healthy capacity and one Touareg (90 litres capacity) I nearly didn't buy the Discovery due to such a small indicated tank. Now to find out it isn't even what they state I feel ripped off. My business partner was looking seriously at one too but he has now gone off it, what else have they exaggerated?


For the record, I sent another email to them saying I wasn't happy and they didn't even bother responding.

The distance to empty is a vairiable figure,based on calculations of the fuel its using and the amount left.
I was told when mine was delivered it has a first warning that the vehicle is out of fuel.The vehicle will "run out of fuel".It now has around 10l of fuel to go,it will re-start.I was advised fill immediately as it will take 40l of fuel in the tank to be able to prime should you run it out the second time..
If you carry 20L of fuel you should be able to see how far it actually goes before it hits the "You ingnored the fuel gauge,the red light and the distance to empty".Simply put the 20L in and fill up,I bet you get very close to the 82 useable.
Andrew

[shedmarket]

The distance to empty is a vairiable figure,based on calculations of the fuel its using and the amount left.
I was told when mine was delivered it has a first warning that the vehicle is out of fuel.The vehicle will "run out of fuel".It now has around 10l of fuel to go,it will re-start.I was advised fill immediately as it will take 40l of fuel in the tank to be able to prime should you run it out the second time..
If you carry 20L of fuel you should be able to see how far it actually goes before it hits the "You ingnored the fuel gauge,the red light and the distance to empty".Simply put the 20L in and fill up,I bet you get very close to the 82 useable.
Andrew



The inaccurate fuel gauge and distance to empty readings do not really worry me, although it is still disappointing. They have both been around a while and plenty have them working pretty accurately, especially when you pay so much for the vehicle.


The owners handbook details this;


Vehicles with a diesel engine have a system that prevents the fuel tank from emptying completely. When the fuel reaches a minimum level, the system activates a reduced power mode, i.e., the engine does not run properly. The engine is also switched off, after travelling a further distance of approximately 1.6 km.
If the fuel gauge indicates a low fuel level, or the low fuel warning lamp illuminates, refuel the vehicle as soon as possible. See LOW FUEL WARNING (AMBER) (http://www.ownerinfo.landrover.com/document/LS/2016/T19950/18742_en_GBR/proc/G1796726).
If the system protection function activates, the vehicle must be refuelled immediately. In this event, the vehicle should be carefully driven to the nearest place of safety, as soon as safety permits
A minimum of 4 L of fuel is required to restart the engine, then use the following procedure:

With the brake pedal pressed, press and hold the engine START/STOP button and crank the engine for 5 seconds.
Release the START/STOP button.
With the brake pedal pressed, press and release the START/STOP button to crank the engine. The engine should start within approximately 5 seconds.
Also Andrew, if you had fully read what I wrote, I did exactly as you suggested. Fuel can with 15 litres in it, ran it until it entered reduced power mode (like a small consistent misfire), added the 15 litres and straight to a service station (about five kilometres) where only an addition 60 litres could be added after several clicks. Total 75 litres. That is what I believe is the rip off.


I should have added, I reset the trip meter when the distance to empty read zero. It was another 88 kilometres until the reduced power mode activated. That isn't just a slight error of margin, it would be closer to 15% wrong. I suppose that is the difference between British and Indian standards and that of the Germans. Hopefully the next Touareg is larger inside, that was the only thing that stopped me buying another one.

[Grentarc]

With the "clicks" of the fuel bowser, is that will fully depressed trigger, or just partial trigger? I can usually get more than 60L in well before my fuel light comes on. Yesterday when my wife filled up our MY10, it was before the light came on and she managed to put 67L into the tank, and says she could have squeezed a bit more in if she tried.

Edit - Just as an example of tank filler pipe angles playing havoc on the automatic shutoff of the nozzle, our Saab 9-5 needs to have the nozzle rotated 90? CW otherwise you can't even put in 1L before the thing shuts off!

[shedmarket]

With the "clicks" of the fuel bowser, is that will fully depressed trigger, or just partial trigger? I can usually get more than 60L in well before my fuel light comes on. Yesterday when my wife filled up our MY10, it was before the light came on and she managed to put 67L into the tank, and says she could have squeezed a bit more in if she tried.

Edit - Just as an example of tank filler pipe angles playing havoc on the automatic shutoff of the nozzle, our Saab 9-5 needs to have the nozzle rotated 90? CW otherwise you can't even put in 1L before the thing shuts off!



Nozzle in and full open up until it clicks off the first time, which in this case was at just under 58 litres. Wait 30 seconds trickle some more in. After half a dozen goes it got to 60 litres.


It is important with most vehicles you stop at the first click, particularly sedans and wagons. The early model Commodores had a charcoal filter on the air vent/breather line from the fuel tank which they mounted fairly low under the bonnet. If you over filled the tank and got fuel in the breather line fuel would capillary flow out of the tank, through the filter and onto the ground under the front of the car. Seen one wife, with her children in the car, go into a full panic in a shopping centre car park when the whole front of her car was surrounded by fuel on the ground. Hubby got a fair earful.

[Graeme]

I often filled my D4 to the absolute brim providing I was going to drive enough to make some more room for expansion in hot weather and never had any fuel overflow or leakages.

[Meken]

I've been down to 4kms indicated range when I pulled into servo -took 72 L. I usually put between 70-72L in and that at about 30km range - maybe you have a dent in the tank from new?

[Chops]

I've been down to 4kms indicated range when I pulled into servo -took 72 L. I usually put between 70-72L in and that at about 30km range - maybe you have a dent in the tank from new?
I've been reading this thread and wondering the same.
Interestingly enough, I had a similar issue with my D2. Everybody says they hold about 90Lts I think it was, but the very best I could ever get in was somewhere around the 72Lt mark, consistently. Strangely, the tank had been emptied, and no better, at that point, it took in just under 80Lts.


Is it worthwhile emptying the tank to see just exactly how much it will take?

[Grentarc]

It is important with most vehicles you stop at the first click, particularly sedans and wagons..
What I was getting at was that in my particular model of car (and it is the same with every Saab 9-5) is that even when empty if you stick the nozzle in "normally" (perpendicular to the ground) then you can't even get 1L in the tank before it shuts off - so you rotate the nozzle and never pull it on full.

With the D4 it is different, but when nearing full I only hold partial trigger as diesel can have a tendency to foam up if filling too fast - and that's just messy.

[Grentarc]

Is it worthwhile emptying the tank to see just exactly how much it will take?

While I was filling up a jerry can for the lawn mower today, I thought of this thread and wondered about the same thing - for peace of mind see if the dealer can drain the tank and fill max and see how much it takes

[shedmarket]

It would seem something is not right but dealer I purchased vehicle from (Canberra) virtually fobbed it off with salesman saying his head mechanic doubted the specifications stated useable. An email of the specifications shut him up on that one.


The dealer Land Rover sent me to who is second closest in Port Macquarie (I am based in Coffs Harbour, local dealer has very bad reputation) and their attitude was also disappointing. They indicated it would be at least half a day for them to check it all out and if the tank needed removing it would be all day. I thought this was pretty good as it meant they would check it out properly but they called in an hour and a half to say they were finished. They attached the service computer, it showed no faults so there was nothing wrong.


I emailed the contact in Land Rover back saying I was unhappy with the response but they never replied. I am at the Armidale Land Rover Experience this Sunday so will talk to someone then. If the answer is still bad luck I will go to Fair Trading to get their response.


It always amazes me these companies spend so much money to get you to be their customer and then even more money with regular mail outs and emails telling you how good they are yet dismiss genuine concerns when you have them. All wasted really isn't it. If only they looked up the meaning of customer service and realised it meant providing a service to the customer, not pretending to.

[shedmarket]

What I was getting at was that in my particular model of car (and it is the same with every Saab 9-5) is that even when empty if you stick the nozzle in "normally" (perpendicular to the ground) then you can't even get 1L in the tank before it shuts off - so you rotate the nozzle and never pull it on full.

With the D4 it is different, but when nearing full I only hold partial trigger as diesel can have a tendency to foam up if filling too fast - and that's just messy.



Yes Justin, I knew what you meant and I do the same although the newer diesels don't tend to froth up as much as the older ones.


On a side note, how do you find the Hankook tyres? Fitted them to one of our utes earlier this year going through Bourke to SA and was very impressed with them. They didn't chip out as much as the BF Goodrich All Terrains we had on the other ute so have ordered some for my Discovery for a trip I am doing in September to NT.

[Grentarc]

Yes Justin, I knew what you meant and I do the same although the newer diesels don't tend to froth up as much as the older ones.


On a side note, how do you find the Hankook tyres? Fitted them to one of our utes earlier this year going through Bourke to SA and was very impressed with them. They didn't chip out as much as the BF Goodrich All Terrains we had on the other ute so have ordered some for my Discovery for a trip I am doing in September to NT.

Haha, no worries, I thought there may have been a little misunderstanding going on!

The Hankooks are pretty good - I drove some trails in the local national park the other weekend, a good mixture of sharp shale, fallen tree branches (and some fallen trees), wet clay and coarse sand. I didn't reduce pressures at all and the tyres had no issue with anything I pointed them at. The only 2 punctures I have had were a timber screw and a drill bit that went in shank first. They aren't wearing as square as I would prefer, and I do need a wheel alignment (have to replace bushes first) as I have inside wear on the fronts.

[shedmarket]

A bit more feedback on this issue. After I had seen the dealer I sent an email back to Samir, as he likes to call himself the Customer Relationship Centre Executivefrom Jaguar Landrover Australia, telling him I wasn't happy with the response from the dealer and that I believed their specifications are wrong about the capacity of the fuel tank. I didn't get a reply.


So I get an email asking for my feedback on my last contact with Landrover and I complete it truthfully that I was unhappy and I never received a reply to my last email. Well, Samir calls me back and starts arguing with me about my response and concerns. I ended up telling him to rectally insert his cars and hang up on him.


That would be it from me now with Landrover. As a company they have a hell of a lot to learn about customer service, particularly at this level of the market. There are an awful lot of competitors who bend over backwards to help you, they will get my money next time.

[jonesy63]

Note that you were dealing with JLR Australia - importers and sellers of the cars in Australia. Nothing to do with the parent company in UK - who I am sure would be appalled by the way the locals deal with customers.

[VK3GJM]

I regularly fill 70-75 litres with 20-30km till empty.


I assume there is a reserved amount between 7-12 left that should not be used. Have never starved the engine to see limits.


My dealer has been fantastic with the issues I have had. Sometimes a bit slow in communication.

[scarry]

I've been down to 4kms indicated range when I pulled into servo -took 72 L. I usually put between 70-72L in and that at about 30km range - maybe you have a dent in the tank from new?

Someone else had that issue on here,the tank was replaced,under warranty,all good.

I can see the OP's point,the spec does say 82liters USABLE.

[Bytemrk]

I regularly fill 70-75 litres with 20-30km till empty.


I assume there is a reserved amount between 7-12 left that should not be used. Have never starved the engine to see limits.


My dealer has been fantastic with the issues I have had. Sometimes a bit slow in communication.

Pretty much my experience too Gerald.

[Russrobe]

Really don't understand why this is such big issue that you would put someone off buying the vehicle. Could'n't really care less if the fuel tank was 50l or 150l. Range is all that matters and i'm averaging over 700kms to a tank.

I mean if you'd prefer the false fuel claims from the LC200 which has owners averaging up to 15l/100kms with a claimed 10l/100km then fair enough. Just don't forget to pack a 5l drum of oil as it's a bonus if you don't go through one once you hook a trailer up.

Let's face it, they all talk up figures... VW's emissions scandal is a classic example.. In fact if you refused to buy from a manufacturer who doesn't have at least one false fuel claim in their line up right now the only vehicle you would be purchasing would be a Tesla.

"The diesel engine is a cracker of a unit, doing a great job of shifting some 2.7 tonnes, all the while using around 14 or 15 litres of fuel for every 100km of everyday driving (the official claim is 10.3L/100km)." Now that's something to be ****ed about.

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[shedmarket]

Someone else had that issue on here,the tank was replaced,under warranty,all good.

I can see the OP's point,the spec does say 82liters USABLE.



You wouldn't know the thread it was on? I have done several searches and cannot find anything relating to it. Thanks

[shedmarket]

Really don't understand why this is such big issue that you would put someone off buying the vehicle. Could'n't really care less if the fuel tank was 50l or 150l. Range is all that matters and i'm averaging over 700kms to a tank.

I mean if you'd prefer the false fuel claims from the LC200 which has owners averaging up to 15l/100kms with a claimed 10l/100km then fair enough. Just don't forget to pack a 5l drum of oil as it's a bonus if you don't go through one once you hook a trailer up.

Let's face it, they all talk up figures... VW's emissions scandal is a classic example.. In fact if you refused to buy from a manufacturer who doesn't have at least one false fuel claim in their line up right now the only vehicle you would be purchasing would be a Tesla.

"The diesel engine is a cracker of a unit, doing a great job of shifting some 2.7 tonnes, all the while using around 14 or 15 litres of fuel for every 100km of everyday driving (the official claim is 10.3L/100km)." Now that's something to be ****ed about.

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I have owned two Land Cruisers and had no problems with them. Also owned a Touareg which was an exceptional vehicle and would have bought another one this time but went with the Discovery due to it having significantly more room inside, particularly the back area.


Range is significantly reduced in any vehicle, especially when towing so the more you can carry the better. Too small a tank and you are stopping for fuel all the time or having to carry even more jerry cans when going to remote places.


But this wasn't about how the Discovery compares to other vehicles, only it's own issues. When a company states something as simple as fuel capacity and goes to the effort to define it down to the 100 ml (82.3 litres) and inserting the word "useable" you would think they made some fairly precise measurements that should be remotely repeatable in the real world, not 10% different at least. In searching for the claims of someone having their tank replaced under warranty there are many other threads where people have issues with the fuel gauge and tank size so it is not just me, I just make more noise I suppose.


Anyway, I have had them on the phone again this morning apologising for yesterday and they are getting their technical department to look deeper into the issue with the view to do more tests on the vehicle so we will see what happens.

[Nicky]

Surely fuel consumption and the computer's estimate of the range left in the tank, depends on your driving style, hence the different values between cars.

[A.J.M]

My friends who have D4's here all report the same.

70ish litres is all they can get into the tank. Range of about 400 or so miles before a fill up. All are the 8 speed models with the 3.0 sdv6 engine.
That's the way they are. And no amount of changing fuel tanks, phone calls to dealers is going to change it.

[scarry]

You wouldn't know the thread it was on? I have done several searches and cannot find anything relating to it. Thanks

Had a good search today,and couldn't find it.I will keep looking,will report back if i can find something.It may have been on the UK site.

There are a few threads about fuel pickups being issues.

From memory the tank was not made correctly and replaced under warranty.

Edit….Collapsed tank mentioned here,but not much info about it.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/194595-shocked-fuel-consumption.html

[Grentarc]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/172536-d4-fuel-tank-capacity-empty-indication-3.html

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[shedmarket]

My friends who have D4's here all report the same.

70ish litres is all they can get into the tank. Range of about 400 or so miles before a fill up. All are the 8 speed models with the 3.0 sdv6 engine.
That's the way they are. And no amount of changing fuel tanks, phone calls to dealers is going to change it.

That may be the way it is and if if you and your friends are happy with that than good. I think it is pretty average and will continue to annoy them until they either give me what I paid for or they admit their specifications are wrong and change them so other people are not deceived. Rolling over and simply accepting the error (or deception, depending on your view) helps no one.

[A.J.M]

Good luck then.

I suspect you may be in for a disappointment if you are going to get every D4 sold over the last 6 years tanks changed to give the extra few litres or them to change the printing on a model that's in its final months of production.

My mate has had a MY12 XS and now has a MY16 Graphite.
4 years separate the cars and the tank capacity is the same for both.

As I said. It is what it is.

[Tinman]

Hi Guys The wife had been driving the My09 D3 2.7ltr told me you will have to put fuel in before you drive anywhere. I took it to the servo the gauge said 33klm to empty I put 87.7 litres in where I could just see the fuel in the filler neck. That filler tube must hold some fuel. The book says tank size 82 for diesel and 86 for petrol could they have put the wrong tank in ?

[shedmarket]

Good luck then.

I suspect you may be in for a disappointment if you are going to get every D4 sold over the last 6 years tanks changed to give the extra few litres or them to change the printing on a model that's in its final months of production.

My mate has had a MY12 XS and now has a MY16 Graphite.
4 years separate the cars and the tank capacity is the same for both.

As I said. It is what it is.



I won't be disappointed but giving them a right royal run around is the least they deserve. I also would not even think of trying to get anyone's fixed except mine, I am a selfish bastard like that. I will post up here the end outcome though, then you can decide if it is worth the fight for yourself.


I must say though that it is a poor reflection on the company as a whole, fuel tanks have been around since, well since fuel powered vehicles were invented. If they cannot work out how much goes into their tanks it is bloody amazing they could get anything else right, it isn't that hard. Not sure what it is a better example of, British or Indian standards. Maybe both!

[shedmarket]

Hi Guys The wife had been driving the My09 D3 2.7ltr told me you will have to put fuel in before you drive anywhere. I took it to the servo the gauge said 33klm to empty I put 87.7 litres in where I could just see the fuel in the filler neck. That filler tube must hold some fuel. The book says tank size 82 for diesel and 86 for petrol could they have put the wrong tank in ?



You lucky bastard!!! Not only did you got more fuel in the tank than specified but you have a wife that warns you she ran the tank low.

[gghaggis]

The "usable" value is around 80+ litres. So no, LR are not lying or quoting misleading figures.

To achieve that in a D4 though, you will have to run it completely dry, as you would in any other vehicle. LR try to prevent you doing that by having the fuel cut-off scheme (applied around 80 km after the 0km to empty indication), but it IS possible to drive through that and keep going until the tank is actually empty.

If you're silly enough to do this, you'll likely foul up your injectors and have a bastard of a time priming it to restart, but you'll get your 80 odd litres in.

Your choice.

Cheers

Gordon

[Meken]

I can see the point though - useable infers useable in normal circumstances , not ignoring the safety measures the manufacturer built in circumstances ?)

[Grentarc]

Aren't the tanks the same for the petrol and diesel, with the diesel's usable figure including the 4L or so that you can't/shouldn't use?

[Graeme]

D4 petrol and diesel tanks have different part numbers but they might have the same capacity.

[Grentarc]

D4 petrol and diesel tanks have different part numbers but they might have the same capacity.

Looking at pictures, they look like the same moulding, just different "Dust cover/filter"

[shedmarket]

The "usable" value is around 80+ litres. So no, LR are not lying or quoting misleading figures.

To achieve that in a D4 though, you will have to run it completely dry, as you would in any other vehicle. LR try to prevent you doing that by having the fuel cut-off scheme (applied around 80 km after the 0km to empty indication), but it IS possible to drive through that and keep going until the tank is actually empty.

If you're silly enough to do this, you'll likely foul up your injectors and have a bastard of a time priming it to restart, but you'll get your 80 odd litres in.

Your choice.

Cheers

Gordon



Well Gordon, as I have said a few times now, I have run mine until it misfired warning it will stop within a kilometre and it only took 75 litres so something must be wrong or they are not telling the truth.


I did get hold of the member who had his tank replaced under warranty, the top of the tank sunk in completely, which they replaced. If the tanks are plastic and not pressurised while still in the mould cooling they would sink in to varying degrees (I have a good knowledge of roto-moulding plastics). This could be the explanation for the reduced capacity and the variances form one model to the next.


I will be discussing it with them in more depth next week.

[gghaggis]

Mmm - I got around 40km before the final stop, after surging twice. We got over 80 ltr in, but how much more I don't know.

Fell short of the fuel stop by 4km :-(

Cheers

Gordon

[scarry]

Filled mine up yesterday took 76.7litres.Pump clicked off at 72 litres,then dribbled the rest in.

Dash readout said 17 litres until empty.

[Plane Fixer]

I am not brave enough to run the tank down past a quarter as the HPFP requires a lot of bypass fuel for cooling. As the tank gets down the fuel delivered to the HPFP is getting hotter and can eventually damage the pump. It may not show up immediately but will later.
As the car ages there will be some crap in the bottom of the tank which is best left undisturbed. If by necessity I had to go into the reserve I would do a fuel filter change as soon as practicable.
Maybe I am ultra cautious but my training in aviation means there is nowhere up there to pull over to fix beside an airway!

[Milton477]

Good point Plane Fixer & wouldn't condensation form in the tank if hot fuel was allowed to cool overnight in a nearly empty tank?

[shanegtr]

As the car ages there will be some crap in the bottom of the tank which is best left undisturbed. If by necessity I had to go into the reserve I would do a fuel filter change as soon as practicable.
Maybe I am ultra cautious but my training in aviation means there is nowhere up there to pull over to fix beside an airway!
I never quite understood that argument as the fuel pickup is from the bottom of the tank. So any heavy objects are likely to have already settled and could possibly be stirred up during refueling anyway. Sure lighter particles that can float around will be more concentrated as the tank runs down, but if they are floating then there's every chance they will be sucked up anyway


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[scarry]

I never quite understood that argument as the fuel pickup is from the bottom of the tank. So any heavy objects are likely to have already settled and could possibly be stirred up during refueling anyway. Sure lighter particles that can float around will be more concentrated as the tank runs down, but if they are floating then there's every chance they will be sucked up anyway


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And also with the continual circulation of the fuel in modern vehicles,particularly diesels,i am sure the fuel will be stirred up all the time.The fuel also is continually circulated through the filter.

Old tale i recon,from the old days when there was very little,if any fuel circulation,and the fuel was only filtered on its way to the carby.