D2 Recovery Points

[Bohica]

I have looked in the Good Oil and searched the forum, the best info on recovery points is from 2010. I have PM'd Philco and his PM box is full. So where can I get a pair of recovery points?

Thanks

Julian

[ballbag]

Try APT Fabrications.

[rangieman]

Try APT Fabrications.

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Home - APT Fabrication Custom Land Rover Parts & Accessories (http://aptfabrication.com.au/)

[kelvo]

I went with the Les Richmond Automotive ones.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/discovery-2/190556-lra-recovery-points-bought-fitted.html

[Timmy]

MR automotive in qld had the cheapest ones by a mile. Fit perfectly and posted to me very quickly. I think they were $66 for the pair?

[Roverlord off road spares]

What sort of recovery are you going to do, tow or snatch? I think the jury is out on snatching from recovery points.

[Bohica]

The LROCV specify front and rear recovery points, etc for their outings. I'm not planning on needing it :)

I don't regard the bull bar as a recovery point as it is attached to the crash cans.

As for snatch or winch, if I need to be recovered, I'll go by the more experinced people.
A combination, steering guard bash plate and recovery points would be good. If only I was good with an oxy cutter. If only I had an oxy cutter.

[rangieman]

The LROCV specify front and rear recovery points, etc for their outings. I'm not planning on needing it :)

I don't regard the bull bar as a recovery point as it is attached to the crash cans.

As for snatch or winch, if I need to be recovered, I'll go by the more experinced people.
A combination, steering guard bash plate and recovery points would be good. If only I was good with an oxy cutter. If only I had an oxy cutter.

I run a APT bash plate steering guard with recovery points good bit of kit.
This is the direct link to help .

APT Steering Guard | Discovery 2 - APT Fabrication Custom Land Rover Parts & Accessories (http://aptfabrication.com.au/land-rover-steering-guards/product/31-apt-steering-guard-discovery-2/category_pathway-22)

[Bohica]

I run a APT bash plate steering guard with recovery points good bit of kit.
This is the direct link to help .

APT Steering Guard | Discovery 2 - APT Fabrication Custom Land Rover Parts & Accessories (http://aptfabrication.com.au/land-rover-steering-guards/product/31-apt-steering-guard-discovery-2/category_pathway-22)


Doesn't that negate the crash cans? Hard to see i the photos.

Hmmm maybe. :)

[rangieman]

Doesn't that negate the crash cans? Hard to see i the photos.

Hmmm maybe. :)

It fits behind the crash cans to the chassis . Your crash cans are in front of it so no effect to them what so ever;)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I'm not sure whats changed on a D2 since 2010 Julian:D
Suppliers have.
Physics hasn't.

remember to take pics of the finished product;)

[Bohica]

I'm not sure whats changed on a D2 since 2010 Julian:D
Suppliers have.
Physics hasn't.

remember to take pics of the finished product;)

Je ne sais pas ce que vous voulez dire

[schuy1]

Est-ce que vous voulez dire quequand vous mourrirez vousnevoulezpasaller au ciel?

[Bohica]

Voulez-vous dire que lorsque vous mourrez, vous allez au ciel ? Je ne vais pas , je suis un athee. Votre francais est assez mauvais , baton a l'anglais

[Roverlord off road spares]

I run a APT bash plate steering guard with recovery points good bit of kit.
This is the direct link to help .

APT Steering Guard | Discovery 2 - APT Fabrication Custom Land Rover Parts & Accessories (http://aptfabrication.com.au/land-rover-steering-guards/product/31-apt-steering-guard-discovery-2/category_pathway-22)

I Can't speak for the APT ones.
All is well with a standard D2, but when you have the Stabliliser bar and a ram connection, the ones I've tried foul on the bracket. Next problem I found is if you have a TJM winch bar with a winch cradle, the bottom plate will not fit.:mad:

[bsperka]

Voulez-vous dire que lorsque vous mourrez, vous allez au ciel ? Je ne vais pas , je suis un athee. Votre francais est assez mauvais , baton a l'anglais

Are you saying that when you die you go to heaven ? I'm not going , I'm an atheist . Your french is bad enough, stick to the english.

[Bohica]

Tres bon mon ami.

[Roverlord off road spares]

How quick these threads go off topic:(

[gusthedog]

ARB Crush cans have a 15 tonne working limit. If you're putting more force than that on your bullbar or chasis, crush cans are the least of your worries. Same cans for winch and non winch bar too.

[ozscott]

On my TJM winch bar the original crush cans came off and replacements that came with the bar went on. Much heavier than stock alloy cans. Now way known i would snatch a well bogged vehicle from its bull bar if it is SRS equipped. Only safe way from the front is via big heavy plates attached to chassis by HT bolts and preferably a bridle but not really a big deal unless to the sills in mud...

CHEERS

[Splatcat]

Does anyone know where I can get some recovery points for my D2 in Perth? It has the standard plastic bumper and I think id rather stay with that if possible rather than going to a bulbar.

[MR LR]

ARB Crush cans have a 15 tonne working limit. If you're putting more force than that on your bullbar or chasis, crush cans are the least of your worries. Same cans for winch and non winch bar too.
That's a static rating not a dynamic rating, impulse is a bugger isnt it ;)

[Matg43]

Bit of a bump but looking for some clarification.
I have an ARB bullbar just like this one
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And am trying to figure out where I can put some bow shackles or recovery points (just in case). I did have a bow shackle in the little loops either side of the winch, but figured that wouldnt get the job done as the bar doesnt seem very sturdy in that part.

I have this loop welded onto a bracket where the bar joins the chassis but also figure that inst gunna be safe either.
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I have found these Land Rover Discovery 1&2 HD Recovery Points (pair) MAXI-DRIVE (https://www.landybitz.com.au/land-rover-discovery-1-2-hd-recovery-points-pair-m)
Does anyone know if they would work with this arrangement (there seems to be a big bar going from one side to the other which may block these.) Budget is tight so I cant be forking out hundreds $$ at the moment.
Or any other suggestions please?

Thanks
Mat

[trout1105]

Bit of a bump but looking for some clarification.
I have an ARB bullbar just like this one
156314

And am trying to figure out where I can put some bow shackles or recovery points (just in case). I did have a bow shackle in the little loops either side of the winch, but figured that wouldnt get the job done as the bar doesnt seem very sturdy in that part.

I have this loop welded onto a bracket where the bar joins the chassis but also figure that inst gunna be safe either.
156315

I have found these Land Rover Discovery 1&2 HD Recovery Points (pair) MAXI-DRIVE (https://www.landybitz.com.au/land-rover-discovery-1-2-hd-recovery-points-pair-m)
Does anyone know if they would work with this arrangement (there seems to be a big bar going from one side to the other which may block these.) Budget is tight so I cant be forking out hundreds $$ at the moment.
Or any other suggestions please?

Thanks
Mat

Those recovery points look like they bolt onto the outside chassis where the crush cans are fitted and will probably be OK.
However as you already have a winch fitted why do you think that you Need the recovery points?

[Tombie]

Bit of a bump but looking for some clarification.
I have an ARB bullbar just like this one
156314

And am trying to figure out where I can put some bow shackles or recovery points (just in case). I did have a bow shackle in the little loops either side of the winch, but figured that wouldnt get the job done as the bar doesnt seem very sturdy in that part.

I have this loop welded onto a bracket where the bar joins the chassis but also figure that inst gunna be safe either.
156315

I have found these Land Rover Discovery 1&2 HD Recovery Points (pair) MAXI-DRIVE (https://www.landybitz.com.au/land-rover-discovery-1-2-hd-recovery-points-pair-m)
Does anyone know if they would work with this arrangement (there seems to be a big bar going from one side to the other which may block these.) Budget is tight so I cant be forking out hundreds $$ at the moment.
Or any other suggestions please?

Thanks
Mat

That loop is a tie down point - I can not stress this enough - Do NOT use it for recovery.

[trout1105]

That loop is a tie down point - I can not stress this enough - Do NOT use it for recovery.

+1[thumbsupbig]

[PhilipA]

No , the loop is a towing point for light towing.

You can make towing/recovery points yourself as I have done by getting some 1/4 or 5/8 steel sheet, cutting to the shape of the triangle of the tow point, then drilling holes the same. It's pretty tedious with a reciprocating saw and grinder but it can be done.

The sleeves in the chassis will take up to AFAIR 12MM high tensile bolts so you have to be accurate with the holes. The normal 10Mm bolts are a bit light on to me. I would hope that the bought ones supply 12mm bolts as this IMHO is the weakest link.

You can then either drill a big hole in the steel for a shackle or fit "Toyota" tow hooks with their supplied high tensile bolts as I have done..

I have made two of these. I found a cover plate on Stockton Beach that some 4wd had fall off so I have the lot hidden by covers on both sides.

I also bought an equalizer strap for heavy pulls or to use my Warn 6500Lb portable winch.

Regards PhilipA

[Slunnie]

And am trying to figure out where I can put some bow shackles or recovery points (just in case). I did have a bow shackle in the little loops either side of the winch, but figured that wouldnt get the job done as the bar doesnt seem very sturdy in that part.

That was ARB's recovery point when they released that bar. That part directly pulls through to the chassis (via the crush cans) and is stronger than it looks.

It wasn't until later that ARB decided that due to people recovering stupidly that they weren't going to support calling that eyelet a recovery point as far as I'm aware.

If the crush cans are not strong enough (eg LC100 I think it might be???), the engineer the crush cans with a higher tension strength to suit but with a lower compression strength for the SRS. There were none of these probs with the Disco2.

My feeling is that the aftermarket recovery points for the D2 that drop down low under the bullbar are not as strong as the ARB bar points due to bolt shear forces.

[Matg43]

Those recovery points look like they bolt onto the outside chassis where the crush cans are fitted and will probably be OK.
However as you already have a winch fitted why do you think that you Need the recovery points?

I know if I dont have em ill need em. Ive legitimately never been off road so just trying to cover all bases.
ill have the Mrs and 2 daughters with me

[trout1105]

I know if I dont have em ill need em. Ive legitimately never been off road so just trying to cover all bases.
ill have the Mrs and 2 daughters with me

With a winch fitted the only recovery point that you should have to use is a rear one that fits into the tow bar receiver just in case you have to get pulled out backwards.
Add a basic recovery kit (tree protector, extension strap, snatch block and shackles) and your winch should get you out of most situations.
Make sure that your winch is working and get familiar with its use BEFORE you head out is a pretty good idea as well.
Most importantly be safe and enjoy yourself[thumbsupbig]

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I wonder what Bohica did... [bigwhistle]

[PhilipA]

With a winch fitted the only recovery point that you should have to use is a rear one that fits into the tow bar receiver just in case you have to get pulled out backwards.
Add a basic recovery kit (tree protector, extension strap, snatch block and shackles) and your winch should get you out of most situations.
Make sure that your winch is working and get familiar with its use BEFORE you head out is a pretty good idea as well.
Most importantly be safe and enjoy yourself[thumbsupbig]
Er what if you want a double pull through a snatch block.
You then need another recovery point on the front.
Regards PhilipA

[Slunnie]

Er what if you want a double pull through a snatch block.
You then need another recovery point on the front.
Regards PhilipA
I think there are a lot of reasons to have recovery points on the front also. The winch is probably the least reliable bit of recovery kit, although I always have one on the front and love them. Really need to be setup to pull, snatch etc off the front.

[Bohica]

I wonder what Bohica did... [bigwhistle]

Seeing that you asked. I was recovered by attaching the snatch strap to the ARB bull bar, with a loop to distribute the stress. The tow was very gentle, like a mermaid's kiss.
SUbsequently I fitted an ATP steering guard that has recovery points.
The second recovery I used the winch on the new ARB winch bar.

Well you did ask.

[trout1105]

Er what if you want a double pull through a snatch block.
You then need another recovery point on the front.
Regards PhilipA

I did say "MOST" situations, I have yet to need a double pull in a recovery and I have recovered many bogged 4WD's (Not the D2a yet touch wood) over the years.
I have used a snatch block on many occasions as well But that has only to change the direction of the pull.
Staying back far enough away from the bogged vehicle will allow you to get most of the rope off the winch thereby allowing you to use All the power of the winch is also a lot of help.

As far as winches Not being "reliable", Well most of that is down to the amount of maintenance the winch receives and how it is used.
If you ignore the maintenance and run your winch for too long without resting it during a recovery then regardless of the brand it will most likely Kark it.

[Slunnie]

I did say "MOST" situations, I have yet to need a double pull in a recovery and I have recovered many bogged 4WD's (Not the D2a yet touch wood) over the years.
I have used a snatch block on many occasions as well But that has only to change the direction of the pull.
Staying back far enough away from the bogged vehicle will allow you to get most of the rope off the winch thereby allowing you to use All the power of the winch is also a lot of help.

As far as winches Not being "reliable", Well most of that is down to the amount of maintenance the winch receives and how it is used.
If you ignore the maintenance and run your winch for too long without resting it during a recovery then regardless of the brand it will most likely Kark it.

Even when you do maintain them they still can stop or break, its just the nature of that system.

[PhilipA]

I did say "MOST" situations, I have yet to need a double pull in a recovery and I have recovered many bogged 4WD's (Not the D2a yet touch wood) over the years.
I have used a snatch block on many occasions as well But that has only to change the direction of the pull.
Yes I agree. I have never had to do a double pull.
In fact the only timeI have used my winch was to recover a RRC that had slipped off a culvert and was sitting on its belly teetering over a 6 metre drop.

However that time I had to use a snatch block to change direction, an air bag to lift the RRC, a tree protector, and a shovel to cut a ramp to pull him out. I also had to use the rear point to join my car to another as my car was being pulled forward on the wet ground.
I also carry maxtrax on my camper trailer.
So to me it is a case of being prepared for most eventualities.
Regards PhilipA

[Pedro_The_Swift]

You lead an exciting life Phillip! [bigrolf]