2.2 Turbo Hose Gone again! Different one this time!

[inken_dave]

Hi all, 2013 Defender 110 2.2...........

Does anyone have thew part number for the short sharp 90 degree turbo hose going from the fixed metal intake tube(near the water pump) to the throttle body? Mine just split in the inside radius!

Had the fist stage hose go a year ago on holiday, after the 3rd revision (Bracket holding tube alternator) the issue was fixed!

I'm meant to be using my Defer all week! Does anyone recommend an non-OEM replacement? Not sure what has gone wrong in Landrover R&D, but all Puma Defender pressurised intake hoses seam underrated, and are not up to this level of positive pressure!

[Tombie]

Contact Pete at BAS (Bell Auto Service) - he's a forum member/supporter

[lump_a_charcoal]

I think I have the number somewhere - I'll try to dig it out tonight.
From memory, I bought it from Graeme Cooper in Sydney, because mine blew too.

[lump_a_charcoal]

I think you are after item 7?

If so, that's the one I got from Graeme Cooper.

[inken_dave]

Thanks everyone! I've gone and purchased an OEM one just to get me out of trouble! I certainly didn't get all warm and fuzzy after spending $125... but when I thought this was bad, I started to install it! What a pest that was...OEM one has the clamps crimped into the rubber which make the flexibility to maneuver nil!

I'm going to research this, as it will certainly happen again with the OEM version, for a stronger and re-enforced version!

Always appreciate the knowledge from the members of this forum!

[Daz7]

Does anyone know why this is happening? it seems a fairly common issue on the 2.2.

I presume silicone replacements with T bolt clamps would be the long term fix?

[DazzaTD5]

Its an issue not specific to the 2.2 or any Land Rover vehicle...

Crankcase ventilation (all the oily fumes coming out the top of the engine) back in the old days used to vent to atmosphere and also "turbo" diesels was non existent on light vehicles.

Now all the oily fumes get sucked back pre-turbo and get pushed through the intake assembly, which typically has 2 or 3 rubber hoses. oil will deteriorate rubber, add to that the added pressure/heat from the turbo.

Changing intercooler hoses is one of then maintenance items repairers do. D3, Defender hoses are priced ok, round that $100 - $150 a pop, Jeep hoses float round that $300 - $400 a pop. Depending on the model, I change over to silicone hoses where I can. New model Jeep Wranglers now have silicone hoses from factory, all the rest are a after market option.

Regards
Daz

[inken_dave]

Its an issue not specific to the 2.2 or any Land Rover vehicle...

Crankcase ventilation (all the oily fumes coming out the top of the engine) back in the old days used to vent to atmosphere and also "turbo" diesels was non existent on light vehicles.

Now all the oily fumes get sucked back pre-turbo and get pushed through the intake assembly, which typically has 2 or 3 rubber hoses. oil will deteriorate rubber, add to that the added pressure/heat from the turbo.

Changing intercooler hoses is one of then maintenance items repairers do. D3, Defender hoses are priced ok, round that $100 - $150 a pop, Jeep hoses float round that $300 - $400 a pop. Depending on the model, I change over to silicone hoses where I can. New model Jeep Wranglers now have silicone hoses from factory, all the rest are a after market option.

Regards
Daz

Hi Daz, your point is correct to a point. Diesel oil and fumes will deteriorate rubber eventually, but not in three years from manufacture. I sold my 300TDI running standard 15psi boost, and after owning it for fifteen years only one hose blew! This machine always towed a heavy boat etc.

Actually I semi regret selling it, as it was more reliable than my MY13 Puma! These late models seem much more unreliable compared with my experience with SIII's and the TDI 300. The Puma is the only one to have left me on the side of the road!

[Daz7]

Its an issue not specific to the 2.2 or any Land Rover vehicle...

Crankcase ventilation (all the oily fumes coming out the top of the engine) back in the old days used to vent to atmosphere and also "turbo" diesels was non existent on light vehicles.

Now all the oily fumes get sucked back pre-turbo and get pushed through the intake assembly, which typically has 2 or 3 rubber hoses. oil will deteriorate rubber, add to that the added pressure/heat from the turbo.

Changing intercooler hoses is one of then maintenance items repairers do. D3, Defender hoses are priced ok, round that $100 - $150 a pop, Jeep hoses float round that $300 - $400 a pop. Depending on the model, I change over to silicone hoses where I can. New model Jeep Wranglers now have silicone hoses from factory, all the rest are a after market option.

Regards
Daz

So fitting a catch can (Provent type of thing) would help with this?

[DazzaTD5]

Hi Daz, your point is correct to a point. Diesel oil and fumes will deteriorate rubber eventually, but not in three years from manufacture. I sold my 300TDI running standard 15psi boost, and after owning it for fifteen years only one hose blew! This machine always towed a heavy boat etc.

Actually I semi regret selling it, as it was more reliable than my MY13 Puma! These late models seem much more unreliable compared with my experience with SIII's and the TDI 300. The Puma is the only one to have left me on the side of the road!

While your trusty (although relatively small output) 300tdi did one hose in 15 years, there are literally thousands of other (turbo diesel) vehicles that go through them in as little time as still in warranty, upto 100K.

Yes, fitting a provent is a good idea, a 200 model should be fine.

Regards
Daz

[Tombie]

Comparing a low boost tdi to a modern high BMEP engine is not really fair either.

Longer the hose the more susceptible to failure due to flexing.

[DazzaTD5]

Actually I semi regret selling it, as it was more reliable than my MY13 Puma! These late models seem much more unreliable compared with my experience with SIII's and the TDI 300. The Puma is the only one to have left me on the side of the road!

I too actually regret selling my last 300tdi.

But as I prolly see more Defender TDCi (puma) models than anything else now, well prolly not quite, D3/D4 have really become the most common...

IMHO... I'd rather own a Defender TDCi over just about anything else on the road, all quirks n clunks aside, its still a rather simplistic vehicle when compared to the rest, my opinions are the same in regards to the Jeep Wrangler JK diesel, though slightly more tech, but no factory clunks.

Regards
Daz

[inken_dave]

Comparing a low boost tdi to a modern high BMEP engine is not really fair either.

Longer the hose the more susceptible to failure due to flexing.

I know what you mean regarding the modern engine, but I feel after paying $52000 or so plus extras the design should match the performance set. Modern design engineers should account for this advancement, and design accordingly.

My wife's BMW X1 2.0 Diesel put's out 150kW and 400Nm, and she flogs it, and has never failed! I know that it can be done!

Interestingly, it was the shortest hose in the system that has failed! Anyway!

[DazzaTD5]

I know what you mean regarding the modern engine, but I feel after paying $52000 or so plus extras the design should match the performance set. Modern design engineers should account for this advancement, and design accordingly.

My wife's BMW X1 2.0 Diesel put's out 150kW and 400Nm, and she flogs it, and has never failed! I know that it can be done!

Interestingly, it was the shortest hose in the system that has failed! Anyway!

While we are sorta going off topic....
Dont think ur $50K plus gets you any kind of R & D, Land Rovers, especially Defenders have always been built by a company with no money, certainly no spare cash for good R & D, A Defender is quite simply a hodge bodge of a vehicle, as in "oh we have a new engine, lets use that, oh we have a new gearbox, lets use that". So any inherent faults with say an engine, part or supplier of a part from say Ford is only looked into as far as getting it to fit.

Which if you keep that in mind makes it a pretty dam good truckster and its one model thats kept true to the original Land Rover concept.

Regards
Daz