What the?

[George130]

My local servo
LPG 63.9
ULP 131.9
Diesel 137.9

How can LPG go up so freekin much so fast. Is there a baked been shortage that no one told me about?

[rangieman]

lpg in melb 37.9 i dont take any notice of any thing else cause its just too exxy

[p38arover]

I ran out of LPG on the way to work this morning. If I'd fuelled yesterday at Emu Plains, it would have been 43 cents/litre (less the 4 cents Woolies discount). At Wentworth Falls it was 55 cents/litre (no discount there).

Ron

[Bushie]

Saw LPG at 61.7cpl on Wednesday and thought it must have been wrong, - maybe not though.

Still dont have LPG so don't really care I'll just have to be content with 136 or thereabouts :cry:



Bushie

[LRHybrid100]

was waiting for this!!!

its funny even the cost of the waste product goes up with petrol!!!

LRH

[Andrewpv01]

It was sitting on 51.9 for months here. The other day it went up to 59.9 :twisted: .
I am going to have to re-think my conversion. Apart from losing must of the luggage area it won't pay for itself for atleast a few years.

Andrew

[Kenjo]

Gas is only a waste product from fields which primarily produce oil. LPG is produced from dedicated petroleum gas fields. I'm surprised the oil companies have taken their time to bump up the profit margins in this area.

Cheers,
Kenjo

[Ace]

LPG has been around 50c/L here for some time, dont know what its at at the moment.

One question though. A V8 Disco or Rangie is on the cars when Stacey and i have cleared some bills, which might not be that long if we can sell stacey's house for a good price. What price does LPG have to be to make running it more expensive than a diesel? Matt

[George130]

What is annoying for me is the wifes car is LPG and in canberra its still only 45.9. I will be taking her car on monday just to fill the tank as its about $14 difference a tank. She could wast the fuel to drive the 70km (140k round trip)just to fill up and still save.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by Ace

One question though. A V8 Disco or Rangie is on the cars when Stacey and i have cleared some bills, which might not be that long if we can sell stacey's house for a good price. What price does LPG have to be to make running it more expensive than a diesel? Matt

C'mon Ace,, didnt you search on "LPG" ??

at the moment, if you do 20,000 kms a year,, try 4 years to break even,,,

waste of time, money, space, power, :wink:

[Ace]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pedro_The_Swift)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Ace

One question though. A V8 Disco or Rangie is on the cars when Stacey and i have cleared some bills, which might not be that long if we can sell stacey's house for a good price. What price does LPG have to be to make running it more expensive than a diesel? Matt

C'mon Ace,, didnt you search on "LPG" ??

at the moment, if you do 20,000 kms a year,, try 4 years to break even,,,

waste of time, money, space, power, :wink:[/b][/quote]

I could do a search but was asking people who own V8 discos/rangies who are running gas. The thing that attracts me at the moment is the cheap prices, you can get a similar year model disco to my TDi for well under half the price, convert it to gas and then run it around. As far as i can see you are nothing but in front, but i was wondering what others thought. The second vehicle wouldnt do much off road stuff, stacey would mostly drive it. Matt

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by Kenjo
Gas is only a waste product from fields which primarily produce oil. LPG is produced from dedicated petroleum gas fields. I'm surprised the oil companies have taken their time to bump up the profit margins in this area.

Cheers,
Kenjo

Someone in the know feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Directly across the runway at Brisbane Airport is a refinery. 24/7 there is a giant falem where they are burning off some sort of 'waste product'. I assume this is LPG. If so, then there is NO BLOODY EXCUSE for increases in LPG prices. Pure profiteering that's all it is.

That said, I have to agree with Pedro.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>waste of time, money, space, power, [/b][/quote]

[adm333]

Originally posted by George130
My local servo
LPG 63.9
ULP 131.9
Diesel 137.9

How can LPG go up so freekin much so fast. Is there a baked been shortage that no one told me about?

WOW 8O

We Brisbane V8 owners have it easy.

This morning I filled up ULP for 109.5 cpl

Just lucky I guess.

[George130]

Originally posted by adm333+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adm333)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-George130
My local servo
LPG 63.9
ULP 131.9
Diesel 137.9

How can LPG go up so freekin much so fast. Is there a baked been shortage that no one told me about?

WOW 8O

We Brisbane V8 owners have it easy.

This morning I filled up ULP for 109.5 cpl

Just lucky I guess.[/b][/quote]

Yea but those prices are after the price drop. That servo is the one on the freeway so he is always expensive.

Vladd I beleive you are correct. I was always told it is LPG. All of it used to be burned off until they found a use for it.

[Ace]

Originally posted by VladTepes+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VladTepes)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Kenjo
Gas is only a waste product from fields which primarily produce oil. LPG is produced from dedicated petroleum gas fields. I'm surprised the oil companies have taken their time to bump up the profit margins in this area.

Cheers,
Kenjo

Someone in the know feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Directly across the runway at Brisbane Airport is a refinery. 24/7 there is a giant falem where they are burning off some sort of 'waste product'. I assume this is LPG. If so, then there is NO BLOODY EXCUSE for increases in LPG prices. Pure profiteering that's all it is.

That said, I have to agree with Pedro.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>waste of time, money, space, power, [/b][/quote][/b][/quote]

Yep LPG is a waste product of petrol production, all they used to do was burn it before they realised they could sell it and make even more money. Matt

[FenianEel]

G'day folks,

Late on the post but have to agree with Pedro. Don't waste your money, time , power or more importantly vehicle space on LPG ACE.
I had a 96 Disco V8 , converted to a 7 seat - & with Gas. Doesn't offer anything worthwhile. Trade offs are less power, reduced vehicle space & your carrying a "bomb" in the case of an accident.
I've had LPG vehcilces B4 and wouldn't bother again. Diesel is the GO. Better economy, more versatile & way better for long trips where there is limited fuel.

[Ace]

Originally posted by FenianEel
G'day folks,

Late on the post but have to agree with Pedro. Don't waste your money, time , power or more importantly vehicle space on LPG ACE.
I had a 96 Disco V8 , converted to a 7 seat - & with Gas. Doesn't offer anything worthwhile. Trade offs are less power, reduced vehicle space & your carrying a "bomb" in the case of an accident.
I've had LPG vehcilces B4 and wouldn't bother again. Diesel is the GO. Better economy, more versatile & way better for long trips where there is limited fuel.

Thanks for that. I wasnt sure. With the increasing price in fuel, there has to be a point where the cost of the conversion and then the reduced travelling distance, reduced power etc has to be not worth it. I love my diesel, and to top it off i dont have problems with wet electrics when off road. Matt

[p38arover]

Originally posted by FenianEel
I had a 96 Disco V8 , converted to a 7 seat - & with Gas. Doesn't offer anything worthwhile. Trade offs are less power, reduced vehicle space & your carrying a "bomb" in the case of an accident.
I've had LPG vehcilces B4 and wouldn't bother again. Diesel is the GO. Better economy, more versatile & way better for long trips where there is limited fuel.

I don't notice any power difference between LPG and petrol on my 4.6.

I'm not sure that the LPG tank is any more a bomb than a petrol tank - especially as the petrol tank is more likely to be ruptured in an accident from the rear.

Loss of space can be an issue - it depends upon the installation.

Diesel is fine if your car of choice was ever offered in diesel form.

Ron

[JDNSW]

Originally posted by VladTepes+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VladTepes)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Kenjo
Gas is only a waste product from fields which primarily produce oil. LPG is produced from dedicated petroleum gas fields. I'm surprised the oil companies have taken their time to bump up the profit margins in this area.

Cheers,
Kenjo

Someone in the know feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Directly across the runway at Brisbane Airport is a refinery. 24/7 there is a giant falem where they are burning off some sort of 'waste product'. I assume this is LPG. If so, then there is NO BLOODY EXCUSE for increases in LPG prices. Pure profiteering that's all it is.

That said, I have to agree with Pedro.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>waste of time, money, space, power, [/b][/quote][/b][/quote]

LPG used (many years ago) to be a low value component produced as a byproduct of oil production and refining (It can't be tranported in an unpressurised tank, and causes problems if piped with gas because it can change into a liquid if the pressure and temperature are right).
As the market for it has grown, it has long ceased to be a "waste" product. Since the introduction of reforming about fifty years ago it has always been more than waste for conversion to petrol anyway in a refinery situation. The only places it can be considered "waste" is where there are no facilities for handling it and it is in too small a quantities for these facilities to be built - and this applies nowhere in Australia except possibly a few very small or newly developed fields, and in very few places in the world.
The flares commonly seen at refineries and production facilities represent a very small volume of product that is deliberately burnt as an automatic igniter on what is effectively a safety valve. A relatively large flame is needed to ensure ignition in the case of a sudden release of product. Historically (and there are still some) there have been many oilfields that flare natural gas and sometimes LPG because there is no available market for it but there is for the oil (LPG would only be flared where, and to the extent, there is too much of it to transport dissolved in the oil), but today normal practice would be to reinject it back into the ground in the expectation that it will be worth selling in the future.

[p38arover]

Originally posted by JDNSW
...but today normal practice would be to reinject it back into the ground in the expectation that it will be worth selling in the future.

You may recall this proposal to store LPG in underground caverns near Botany. Dunno if they ever finished it.

http://www.elgas.com.au/corp/storage.htm

Ron

[Ace]

Originally posted by p38arover+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(p38arover)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-FenianEel
I had a 96 Disco V8 , converted to a 7 seat - & with Gas. Doesn't offer anything worthwhile. Trade offs are less power, reduced vehicle space & your carrying a "bomb" in the case of an accident.
I've had LPG vehcilces B4 and wouldn't bother again. Diesel is the GO. Better economy, more versatile & way better for long trips where there is limited fuel.

I don't notice any power difference between LPG and petrol on my 4.6.

I'm not sure that the LPG tank is any more a bomb than a petrol tank - especially as the petrol tank is more likely to be ruptured in an accident from the rear.

Loss of space can be an issue - it depends upon the installation.

Diesel is fine if your car of choice was ever offered in diesel form.

Ron[/b][/quote]

Thanks Ron. I have had many conflicting stories as to whether or not it actually decreases power, some people have told me it is better for power. Some say it is better for you engine, some say it is worse. :?

[George130]

Ace I don't know about the landy's but I do know that a turbo car can produce a lot more power if tunned for the gas. I have seen some very fast cars done by friends. Our ford is the same on gas or petrol. If you run duel fuel you end up making a compromise and then will lose power on eith gas or petrol but for dedicated gas you won't loose power.

[abaddonxi]

As I understand it, either you tune for petrol or for LPG and performance suffers on the lesser choice.

But, a friend bought a dual fuel Mazda van - maybe not Mazda - which came dual fuel from the factory. Computer mapped different fuel tuning so when you switched from one to the other the computer adjusted the engine setup to suit and no loss of power.

I'd guess there's a widget out there that would do the trick.

Finding one that does it for a Land Rover might be another story.

Come to think of it, this all sounds remarkably similar to the LPG injection system for diesels that was discussed on the forum a couple of months back. That system monitored the LPG injection in some kind of feedback relationship with the engine and didn't seem to have any need to be manufacturer specific.

So there should be something out there.

Cheers

Simonl

[LRHybrid100]

I intend on running a Haltech after market computer in my D100 - so it will have 2 maps, 1 for premium and 1 for LPG - both optimised for the motor.

LRH

[p38arover]

Originally posted by abaddonxi
Finding one that does it for a Land Rover might be another story.

There is one. If I can rake up the moolah I'll get the UniChip fitted to my car. Graeme Copper can tune it with two maps, one for LPG, one for petrol.

Ron

[alexanderphillip1945]

I find it cheaper to run LPG in my RRC than diesel in my TD5 Xtreme. I fuel every 400 kms in the RRC for around $30. When using the Defender I do 550ks for around $70
Alex

[MacMan]

If you dig around the archive I posted something on fuel AND servicing costs of V8 on LPG vs diesel, and in terms of oils and filters and cam belt changes the LPG works out considerably cheaper. Now that I have my worn out old Lucas rotor back in the dizzy she runs like a dream again - smoother on LPG without any real drop in power.

Melbourne LPG prices still mean I get 300km from about $28-$30 worth of LPG.

[Ace]

Thanks for the input guys. Matt