Climatic and environmental aspect of the Mongol withdrawal from Hungary , 1242

[bob10]

From what I can work out, it wasn't good for their horsies.

Climatic and environmental aspects of the Mongol withdrawal from Hungary in 1242 CE : Scientific Reports (http://www.nature.com/articles/srep25606)

[DiscoMick]

Weather patterns caused melting snow and ice which turned the plains into marshes and prevented them from conquering defended cities. Harvests failed leading to starvation. They moved to higher ground to get feed for their horses. A mounted army of 130,000 soldiers needed an enormous amount of grass to feed the animals. From other books I've read it was impossible for the Mongol armies to remain static for very long as they exhausted the feed stocks and did not try to carry fodder. It was a huge empire but the nomadic state of their society acted against settlement and farming.

[bob10]

Weather patterns caused melting snow and ice which turned the plains into marshes and prevented them from conquering defended cities. Harvests failed leading to starvation. They moved to higher ground to get feed for their horses. A mounted army of 130,000 soldiers needed an enormous amount of grass to feed the animals. From other books I've read it was impossible for the Mongol armies to remain static for very long as they exhausted the feed stocks and did not try to carry fodder. It was a huge empire but the nomadic state of their society acted against settlement and farming.

Like Napoleon, and Hitler,strategically they stuffed up.

[DiscoMick]

They were damm good horsemen though. They could ride no hands, control the horse with their legs and use their bows to fire arrows into the enemy ranks. They carved up the disciplined Chinese infantry like target shooting.

[bob10]

They were damm good horsemen though. They could ride no hands, control the horse with their legs and use their bows to fire arrows into the enemy ranks. They carved up the disciplined Chinese infantry like target shooting.

It has been said the Sioux Indians from the plains of the US, have Mongol DNA.

Learn about the history of the Sioux Indians (http://indians.org/articles/sioux-indians.html)

[bob10]

There is also a theory that the wet conditions they encountered caused the glue in their bows to break down, reducing the efficiency of their weapon.



https://youtu.be/nCzkui_8rSk

[bob10]

Another take on the mongol bow.

https://youtu.be/IGcYGwqb3So

[bob10]

A ripping good yarn for a rainy day.

https://youtu.be/htEXmRHjf5s

[bob10]

According to the BBC documentary, Ghengis died and made his son Khan, who then invaded Europe, as far as Poland. Then he died, and Mongol law stated all Chiefs must return home to elect a new Khan. That was 1242. Perhaps Europe was saved by this. Interesting snippet, they say one in two hundred men today have Ghengis Khans DNA,that explains a lot.

[DiscoMick]

Yes, it is said that Mongol DNA is prominent among Asians and Pacific Islanders and maybe also Australian Aboriginals.

[bob10]

A most interesting book I have is " Man on the Rim ", the peopling of the Pacific.It used to be a TV show, on the ABC, I think. From this, they say DNA suggests Micronesians, and some Polynesians [ especially the Tongans]have the DNA of early natives of Taiwan, who came from Central China, 500,000 years ago. They originated from African man,[ Homo erectus] 800,000 years ago, one branch of which went to central China, the other to Java, 1,000,000 years ago.

The Chinese mob migrated down thru Taiwan, [Homo sapians, East Asia] the Phillipines, New Guinea, and into Australia 40,000 years ago.A third group migrated from Indonesia [ Homo Sapians, South East Asia] to New Guinea [the Melanesians] and Australia 40,000 years ago, and even another group came down from the Phillipines, to New Britain, [ Polynesians, Micronesians] 30,000 years ago, then 3,500 years ago the Solomons, on to Fiji, 3,000 years ago, Samoa, Tonga, and to Tahiti.2,000 years ago. From Tahiti, 1600 years ago to Hawaii,1500 years ago to Easter Island, and 1,000 years ago to New Zealand.

Also of interest is that , from the Chinese group, 40,000 years ago they migrated to Siberia, [ Homo erectus]] across the Bering Strait to North America 20,000 years ago, [ East Coast] then down to South America .

[ taken from a map in the front of the book.]

[bob10]

A documentary from one of the Authors of the book, Alan Thorne, about the native people of the Americas.

https://youtu.be/ydTtqIRV-rw

[bob10]

Stone tools tell story of intrepid Polynesian mariners - Science News - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-05/polynesian-maritime-network-revealed-by-tools/7567652)

[bob10]

Study of ancient skulls from Vanuatu cemetery sheds light on Polynesian migration, scientists say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-29/vanuatu-skulls-shed-light-on-origin-of-polynesian-people/7058120)