At what point do you 'chuck it in?'

[Mercguy]

Yep, as in throw in the towel on your Rangie...

I've witnessed a few threads on here, in my relatively short membership, where member 'A' states he/she has a problem and it's beyond the 'sliding scale' of economy to justify further expenditure on the vehicle.

So this is a purely speculative question, and not directed towards any recent posts by members, but rather spurred on as a result of those discussions...

The question is:

When DO you give up on it?

Do you consider offloading it to someone else to 'adopt' or do you part it out?

Or is it simply because you're sick and tired of spending money on an ever-increasing spiral of problems?

What kind of faults, apart from obvious expensive rust or accident damage would cause you to contemplate discarding the vehicle?


I would like to constructively add, that Since buying my RRC 18 months ago, I've spent more than double the purchase price of the vehicle, on replacement parts and 'upgrades' or 'refits' to the vehicle.

Yet I think I'm overcapitalized by at least 4-5K (one third).

Why do I continue to sink money into it?

I have the answer. But I'll let you work that out for yourselves.

The real question is, what would it take for you to give up on the Rangie? what kind of dollar figure, or type of problem?

Interested to hear your thoughts.....

[Eevo]

When DO you give up on it?


i dont have a RRC.

for all my cars, money can buy happiness.
but when it stops buying happiness, its time to move on.

[Disco Muppet]

I'd have a checklist.
Including things like:
Beyond my skillset to complete
Beyond my financial reach
Enjoyment is gone
Greater priorities (mortgage, family, work)
Needs changed
Wants changed

When you start hitting more than 2 or 3 I'd say it might be time.
But ultimately, it's whenever YOU want to.
I purchased my land rover because I wanted to. I will keep it because I want to. I will spend money on it, because I want to.
When I don't want to do these things, I'll find something else.

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[loanrangie]

Muppet hit the nail on the head with these points for me -


Beyond my financial reach
Enjoyment is gone
Greater priorities (mortgage, family, work)
Needs changed
Wants changed

[superquag]

Gee, you've put a target on what could be a raw nerve / festering sore /bone of (marital) contention... et al.

I've got to admit that I'm glancing down that path at the moment, due to personal changes as much as 'nuts & bolts' RR problems, and the price of Lucas pap-paw ointment in China...

Firstly, lets look at the question of 'why' we do things, own a car, choose a house, polish/NOT polish our leather shoes... Nothing to do with LOGIC or intelligent thought, the final decision is always 'emotional'. We do things because we WANT to...Or simply...."Because". End of story.

(OK, we're Blokes, so we don't identify with e-mow-shins, - Women are more adept at dealing with those annoying, illogical things! - so we'll call it 'impulse' or Brain-Snap, or Random Decision...)


Now, because "Just Because" is a pretty well baseless (No deep foundations) reason, it can be reversed by the oddest of triggers. The event need not be logical, or closely related...

In my case, I bought mine due to a long-standing admiration of the concept of the R/Rover, being mightily impressed with the '89 model I drove with a 2 tonne trailer and sweeper behind. I'd also looked at another Jap. 4WD, but decided that if I was going to suffer Range Rover fuel co$t, then I may as well own one.
And I love and still do, the driving position/ apparant height/view. Mind you, it took a while to prefer the steering wheel so close AND the pedals so FAR AWAY... Actually, I reckon it's a cunning trick to get your seat forward... to give some wriggle room for the rear seat PAX.:eek:

But, the downsides... The only car in living history, where the door & locking mechanism is a Regular Service Item. If you don't, and expect to use it... then you will, repeat WILL, eventually snap off the Morris Marina external door handles.
I've owned some cheap & nasty rubbish cars, and NEVER had this problem. I did all doors (3 needed it...) when I bought it, and now I've noticed that the LH front is due... Having also replaced one of the electric motorized mechanisms, I might be up for another one.
Or adjustment...
NOT sorry, but this comes under the heading of Wheels that are round, windows that go up and down without falling out of their tracks or mounts, and nuts that fit their bolts... All ancient technology that 'everyone else' has no issues with.

Then there are long-standing design woes, such as sun-roofs that are guaranteed to leak, eventually (not enough drainage for starters) and HVAC fan switches that are also a consumable item...along with headlamp beam switches, rusting upper tailgates, hinges thereof that work loose... and the latches that don't work because of that... and never mind the joke about the engine being out of oil .... 'cos there's no oil-drops underneath.

I'm reaching the stage of life where I not only don't think that Bad Design and Behaviour should 'not' be rewarded, but should be publicly outed and dumped. - Winning big on Lotto would guarantee mine would be crushed & scrapped... Win enough, and I'd have the cube shipped back to and dumped on Land Rover's doorstep in Solihull. Not that it would do any good apart from make me feel...better!
Bad enough that the Yanks screwed Rover with their v8 engine, but the silly Poms didn't learn...and fell for the Borg Warner transfer case with it's 'vicious Coupling', another high-priced consumable...one with a delightlfully inconsistant life, and now it appears is not even manufactured as a spare part. (Ashcroft no longer list them as an item in their DIY rebuild list...)

When one is let down badly, and the list of stupid, ridiculous, and penny-pinching design and materials problems- list reaches a critical length, one's previous Approval turns to disdain, and a disappointing sense of being ripped off, grows...

All of a sudden it All Becomes Too Difficult to sustain, and since the motivation is now on shaky ground, 'logic' and 'Finances' bites.

Yep, I paid double what I should have, and have spent (guessing only) around $5k on it, not to mention insurance/rego/normal maintainance

There's a growing list of needed repairs to keep it safe and useable. - and to do it on my dwindling self-funde 'Super'. I've lost the urge to travel over rough ground...

Motivation also changes due to personal circumstances, after a brain operation last year I've lost the edge of my staying power & passion. Despite 'salvage' and hoarding being in my genes... I'm finding myself progressively detaching from The Lady Sarah. ( Like her namesake, she promised so much Fresh Air and potential... but ended up being an expen$ive Di$appointment...)

Besides, after being forced (fuel co$t$) to drive 'Other Cars' such as a Magna and Mazda... there's no getting away from the joy of cheap motoring AND... both of those are less stressful and more relaxing to drive on the open road, especially the Magna.

OK, the seat in the Rangie is by far the best, but...:eek:

In short, you will head down the path of divorce when the 'Peed-Off' factor overtakes whatever was the Original Reason for buying it.

[Mick_Marsh]

Well, I don't have a Rangie but one of the Landrovers I have has a RRC chassis and running gear.

It's interesting you should ask this question as I regularly ask it. I have two classic Mercs. The W112 is a money pit. I ask whether I should be throwing more money at it or move it on all the time. When it runs, and I take it for a drive in the country, those questions pale into insignificance.

My answer to your question is:
If it is a daily drive, as soon as it becomes unreliable, ditch it. You need at least one reliable car even if it is a Commodore, Falcon or Camry.
If it is a hobby car, just put it aside. You can get back to it later when time and funds permit.

[Homestar]

My view is a bit scewed I suppose - mines been in the family since it was 5 years old, and there's no way it's going anywhere on my watch. When I was given it by the FIL, it was close to a wreck - engine very worn, gearbox the same, suspension shagged, the list goes on.

I've spent around $10K all up getting it back to what it is now (still not properly driveable) :D:angel:

But it is close to where I want it and I'm hoping to get a few KM out of it before the wallet opens again too much, but if it needs it, then so be it.

I do all the work myself so outsourcing never crosses my mind, it's the last thing I'd do. On the odd occation I've got sick of it, I'll leave it for a few months then come back to it.

What can I say? I love the thing too much to part with it, when I'm driving it, I just love it, so that's the payoff for all the work and money IMO. :)

The point made about the daily driver is a good one - I have a company car and SWMBO has an Xtrail, everything else are just toys, so it isn't an issue for them to be sitting around waiting for my attention.

[Grumbles]

I had wanted a Classic Rangie ever since I can remember -1980s? - which desire morphed into an LSE when Overlander magazine did a review on a Plymouth Blue one. I was hooked. Over the years I would often get that much treasured magazine out and reread the words and gaze longingly at the pics. Then one morning I drove past a car yard and there it was ? a Plymouth Blue LSE. Within a week it was mine and also my daily drive. Being ecstatic doesn't quite cover it.
I am a fussy sort of old codger and insist that all my cars be able to be started and driven where ever I want to at the drop of a hat which also means that I may have somewhat over maintained the car. For example - when it over heated and I knew nothing about viscous cooling fan hubs at the time ? rather than just do the heads I had a new short engine fitted. Over time this trait has caused me to spend a motsa with the mechanics - I no longer swing spanners. But do I regret it ? no - not for a second.
I have an eccentric type personality in that I am not a conformist and my life history is littered with rare and oddball choices and possessions. The LSE fits me like a glove. The instant I am behind the wheel sitting in the 'command' position life takes an upwards turn for the better no matter what else is happening.
I have no intention of parting with it and the bank account is trembling yet again in anticipation of another hit as I contemplate a paint respray.

[B92 8NW]

I'd have a checklist.
Including things like:
Beyond my skillset to complete
Beyond my financial reach
Enjoyment is gone
Greater priorities (mortgage, family, work)
Needs changed
Wants changed

When you start hitting more than 2 or 3 I'd say it might be time.
But ultimately, it's whenever YOU want to.
I purchased my land rover because I wanted to. I will keep it because I want to. I will spend money on it, because I want to.
When I don't want to do these things, I'll find something else.

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It's funny you say that, you've put that into words so well. I had my Disco as a DD for eight years and it was supposed to be a keeper. One day I just looked at it and thought "nah I don't like you anymore" and that was it.

[350RRC]

I bought mine sometime in the 90's, has done over 300k kms since and has basically cost jack. Would go anywhere tomorrow.

Had a new body, fitted a C9 that came with the body, re wired the engine bay with surplus loom, 3 starter motors, 2 radiators, 4 sets of tyres....... that's about it.

Sure I've taught myself how to look after it, but all has been relatively straight forward. I generally enjoyed getting it the way I wanted........ hobby time I suppose.

The only computer onboard is in the CD player.

It appreciates in value every year and costs not a lot to run.

HTH, cheers, DL

[Disco Muppet]

I've considered selling mine multiple times, usually because I couldn't afford to do anything with it.
Now that I can, it's become an every day thing.
Get in car, go to work, come home, tinker.
I buy stuff for it without even thinking about it.
But sometimes I park it up and as I'm walking away, I stop and turn and look at it.
And remember why I bought it, and why I still enjoy it.
I do still want a white GT-R R33 V-spec with black highlights. Not even sorry

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[Bradtot]

Been driving rangies since 1983.
Spent 26k on my first only to watch it burn to the ground. Bought it back bought another rebuilt the burnt motor,fitted to the newer one did 525k before I sold it and it's still running now. Currently own an 89 went through fixed it up to my specs and drive it when I can, mostly weekends.
Also own a 2003 manual Td5.....love it..but prefer the rangie as it has character.
Will I ever sell the rangie..nope not while I am still breathing..fix up what needs doing scroll eBay everyday buy things I may need for the future..stockpiling.
Am I mad..yes but I own a classic:):):)Brad

[gavinwibrow]

I had wanted a Classic Rangie ever since I can remember -1980s? - which desire morphed into an LSE when Overlander magazine did a review on a Plymouth Blue one. I was hooked. Over the years I would often get that much treasured magazine out and reread the words and gaze longingly at the pics. Then one morning I drove past a car yard and there it was ? a Plymouth Blue LSE. Within a week it was mine and also my daily drive. Being ecstatic doesn't quite cover it.
I am a fussy sort of old codger and insist that all my cars be able to be started and driven where ever I want to at the drop of a hat which also means that I may have somewhat over maintained the car. For example - when it over heated and I knew nothing about viscous cooling fan hubs at the time ? rather than just do the heads I had a new short engine fitted. Over time this trait has caused me to spend a motsa with the mechanics - I no longer swing spanners. But do I regret it ? no - not for a second.
I have an eccentric type personality in that I am not a conformist and my life history is littered with rare and oddball choices and possessions. The LSE fits me like a glove. The instant I am behind the wheel sitting in the 'command' position life takes an upwards turn for the better no matter what else is happening.
I have no intention of parting with it and the bank account is trembling yet again in anticipation of another hit as I contemplate a paint respray.
x2 - could not have put it better myself. The LR repairers around have a field day when I appear.

[spudboy]

... I had my Disco as a DD for eight years and it was supposed to be a keeper. One day I just looked at it and thought "nah I don't like you anymore" and that was it.

I had a wife like that.... :p

[superquag]

... who is not on this Forum... :eek:

[Pickles2]

Yep, as in throw in the towel on your Rangie...

I've witnessed a few threads on here, in my relatively short membership, where member 'A' states he/she has a problem and it's beyond the 'sliding scale' of economy to justify further expenditure on the vehicle.

So this is a purely speculative question, and not directed towards any recent posts by members, but rather spurred on as a result of those discussions...

The question is:

When DO you give up on it?

Do you consider offloading it to someone else to 'adopt' or do you part it out?

Or is it simply because you're sick and tired of spending money on an ever-increasing spiral of problems?

What kind of faults, apart from obvious expensive rust or accident damage would cause you to contemplate discarding the vehicle?


I would like to constructively add, that Since buying my RRC 18 months ago, I've spent more than double the purchase price of the vehicle, on replacement parts and 'upgrades' or 'refits' to the vehicle.

Yet I think I'm overcapitalized by at least 4-5K (one third).

Why do I continue to sink money into it?

I have the answer. But I'll let you work that out for yourselves.

The real question is, what would it take for you to give up on the Rangie? what kind of dollar figure, or type of problem?

Interested to hear your thoughts.....
I know what your're trying to say, but I think you need to be more specific to obtain realistic opinions, relative to your particular situation.
Year model, what have you done, what needs to be done,...a few pics of it, interior, dash, body etc.
Pickles.

[Mercguy]

I know what your're trying to say, but I think you need to be more specific to obtain realistic opinions, relative to your particular situation.
Year model, what have you done, what needs to be done,...a few pics of it, interior, dash, body etc.
Pickles.

Sorry Pickles, but I think you're misreading me. I've no intention of chucking it in.

The point of the discussion is that where I see so many comments along the lines of "this is the last straw" that I am wondering just how many owners are in for a penny or in for a pound. I would have thought that (possibly quite incorrectly) people who became subscribers to AULRO or members of a LROC would be the kind who are "in for a pound" - knowing full well what the 'commitment' would be.

Well, not only that, but conversely it is also obvious there are differences in how much of an uphill battle people have (had) with their vehicle - so while there is no fixed point where it's time to call it quits, The question is one of what have you had to endure, before it got to that point where you said 'enough is enough'.

from the comments made so far, I'm pretty sure those who favour a pragmatic viewpoint appear (to me at least) to have less of an attachment to their vehicles (which is fine - there is nothing wrong with this reasoning), and there are those who conversely, have quite an attachment - be it sentimental or otherwise, which shows that the resoning for calling it quits can be diverse and not necessarily related to a specific event.

And that was the purpose of the discussion - i.e. what would it take for you to call it quits. Do people who form emotional bonds with their vehicle, or a 'healthy respect' for it - to put it another way, have a more sympathetic understanding of mechanical issues with their cars, as opposed to those who see a vehicle as being simply fit for purpose, until it no longer makes sense - be it economically or otherwise (wife,kids,retirement,etc). Literally hundreds of plausible reasons for either viewpoint I would guess...

I'm sure there are also plenty of people like myself who are not really sure what it would take before the dissociation of oneself from their chosen vehicle.

Does overcapitilization play a role? perhaps... What about repetitive failure of a singular component?
Do you call it quits because it leaves you stranded one day and it just happens to be inconvenient, or maybe it was more serious than that (and it can be 100% blamed on the vehicle, not bad preparation or bad driving habits etc)?

What about those of us who have more than one - do we 'get told' to cull the backyard scrapheap, or are we placed in an inconvenient position because of having to sell the house or a lifestyle change made to suit only one half of a marriage/relationship?

There are literally dozens of reasons out there, but in the end it really comes down to a decision to dispose of or persist with a vehicle.

But since you asked about my 'reasoning' I can say at this point in time, I have no reason to want to get rid of the RRC. In fact, quite the opposite. Unless something comes along which can perform the same tasks as what I currently have, can do it with longterm savings in fuel and increased reliability and simpler, cheaper and convenient methods of repair in mind..... then I'm keeping what I have.

I suspect that it shall remain that way for quite some time. Unless someone gives me a new w461 G-Professional. Forseeably for me, only a Gwagen could replace the RRC, and even then I know it would not be as comfortable or 'refined' in ride quality.
But the electrics would work, the engine would certainly be reliable and simple to maintain, and the interior can be washed out with a hose without any problems....

There is a discernably large gap in financial commitment required, which still means the RRC, even with it's suboptimal fuel consumption and suspect reliability bearing down, is still ahead by quite a margin.

And because I know that new cars also breakdown, usually requiring some factory issued tool to restore functionality, as opposed to a bag of tools in the back, I'm remaining committed to what I have as being fit for purpose.

But gee, isn't it interesting to see how many people get ****ed off with their Land Rovers, while extolling their virtues in the same statement ?!! :D;):twisted:

I think we might all be labelled as crazy due to our commitment to a lost cause. But who cares?

[DoubleChevron]

I'm in a unique position of being an 8minute drive from work (down fire trails) or ~ 12minute drive on sealed roads.

So milage isn't an issue. Which means my wife has a crappy modern "reliable" car ... and I have, er, ..... lets say "interesting" cars... that she is generally happy NOT to ever travel in.

I really enjoy working on old cars though. I sit at computers all day.... Yes, I drive the $800 Rangie to work each day ... avoid the mud (gee's must get that LT230 into it at some point ... it's going to be bloody embarassing the day I get bogged with 1 wheel spinning :wasntme: ). I listen to the passenger front door rattling like buggery and think "I must pull that door trim someday and see what the hell makes that racket"......... The ball joint at the back talks to me at times ... and reminds me that I'll soon need to throw a bush kit through the thing and replace the Aframe ball joint.......... But that will be fun too. It drives my wife bat**** crazy when I lock/unlock/lock/unlock/lock/unlock the car before it finally decides, yes I'm allowed in .... She can't really understand why I don't really care less..... Hell I rarely bother to lock it ( why would anyone want a tired old Rangey anyway).

I'm really a sad case ... It isn't that uncommon for me to walk outside and try 3 cars before I find one that'll start so I can drive to work. I shrug and figure I couldn't care less. I'll get to them oneday.....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/724.jpg

Look what followed the old Rangie home last week.....

Same deal... It'll probably take me 6months to get it's gearbox back together... Then my wife also will not want to travel in it ..... My father will keep demanding payment for it (as it's his car that I'll someday buy from him) .... I'm sure it'll get the odd drive to work when the 3 cars I've tried before it have said "no not today" ....

Just walking past the open shed door and see it sitting up on the ramps brings a big smile to my face..... Money doesn't make me happy, but tinkering with old ****boxes sure does. Nearly as much as swearing at them on the side of the road due to another "unscheduled stop".

It's all fun right ? If anything ****es me off, it'll be parked int the back corner of the shed for 6months .... until some enthusiasm ( and $$ ) gets them mobile again

seeya,
Shane L.

[dungarover]

Well, it depends on how ****ed off I get with it :mad::mad: I've owned over 20 Rangies in varying stages of decay, some I keep for a couple of years some I get rid off in no time or I part it out.

I bought a very tidy 92 classic about 10 months ago and I was going to do the old chop the guards, lift, 33's and fit diff locks routine but the Rangie was too good to hack so I decided to buy a 93 Disco I won on e-bay for about $1K (I have no problem hacking up a ****box Disco, still a poor mans Rangie classic and will be treated as such). The 92 Rangie is currently in the middle of a engine/gearbox/tc transplant but the 93 Disco in my eagerness to go off-roading again has taken priority and my available funds :(

I also have a 2 door in bits in the shed atm that I'm hoping to put back together sometime (been sitting in the same state for over a year now), too many projects but I won't sell them because I'll get **** all for them :mad: It's only taken me nearly 20 years to get that through my thick head :angel:

Trav

[Baggy]

Interesting thread ....

1) For what we pay for them they are the best 4x4 barr none.
2) Parts are relatively cheap compared with other marquees.
3) Timeless style the Japanese cannot reproduce.
4) Has a Human quality ...I have a love hate relationship with mine ...I love her she hates me ...oops that's the misses.
5) Every make of vehicle has problems ...we're just more honest about it.
6) I've met some great people on this forum who have assisted me with advice and parts .....that also keeps me driving one.
7) Finally .....who doesent love the sound of the burble from a V8 Rangie....

Maybe thats why we don't chuck them in.......

Baggy

[Pickles2]

Mercguy,...good post, thanks, I see where you're coming from.
My problem in these situations is that usually I DO have an emotional attachment, which sometimes causes me to make "emotional" decisions, which are sometimes not the sensible ones!
Pickles.

[DoubleChevron]

Mercguy,...good post, thanks, I see where you're coming from.
My problem in these situations is that usually I DO have an emotional attachment, which sometimes causes me to make "emotional" decisions, which are sometimes not the sensible ones!
Pickles.

The day it doesn't make you smile ... that's the day to get rid of them.... and find something that will.... That's what I think :) There is this really weird breed of people out there that buy Kia/Hiundies and never lift the bonnet.... and never enjoy a single second they spend behind the wheel.... Bizzare or what. :zzz: :zzz:

If the running costs these days are too high. You can buy the modern ****box and stick the old Rover onto a club permit. and drive it just for fun. Fuel cost become irrelevant if you are not doing commuting miles to work and back each day.

seeya,
Shane L.

[bikeman]

Every day it makes me smile, or is that grimace?????? This is my 3rd RRC, 1st was an 86 5 speed manual which I had a 2nd hand 3.9 replace a very tired 3.5, baby **** brown and a pig to drive. #2 a 90 with 4.6, motec, front and rear bars, ss exhaust etc. I kept this for about 10 years, rebuilt engine, gear box, aluminium tail gate, sequential LPG, sold because of high km's and rust. Now 95 Classic soft dash. Swapped gas over to "new" car, reco gearbox, plus lots of smaller running repairs. I have always wanted a rangie since I first drove a demo in 1974. For me the time to sell is when the fun factor goes or the grim reaper calls. I think I will always have a RRC. These have and are daily drives and work cars.
P.S. my other passion is restoring an old timber yacht....... and you thought a RR was a black hole....

[Baggy]

So may similarities in everyone its scary......

The 92 Rangie (the more I drive it) the better it becomes.

It did have an issue running on gas, but since I've changed the plugs its been great and I have also deliberately run it more on petrol (98 octane) as I believe the previous owner didn't and the idle, kick-down and drivability seems to have improved.

Can't wipe the smile from my face .....but I know that at some point the bonnet will get lifted as there's still more that has to be done ......maybe landrover owners are just fussy ......


Now to lift the bonnet on the 2 door ....look at doner engine and plan a transplant ..... neither are my daily drivers :( so I can afford to walk away from them and still keep smiling :D


Baggy

[Mick_Marsh]

Mercguy,...good post, thanks, I see where you're coming from.
My problem in these situations is that usually I DO have an emotional attachment, which sometimes causes me to make "emotional" decisions, which are sometimes not the sensible ones!
Pickles.
Nothing wrong with having an emotional attachment with your treasures. I have an emotional attachment to all my treasures. I still cry myself to sleep at night because I sold the blue Moke.
The Mini goes this weekend. I'll be an emotional basket case for the rest of the week. Very dangerous. There is an auction next week. After I sold the Moke, I bought an Inter, a 101, a S2a, a Perentie and a few trailers.
What will I buy next week?

[DoubleChevron]

Nothing wrong with having an emotional attachment with your treasures. I have an emotional attachment to all my treasures. I still cry myself to sleep at night because I sold the blue Moke.
The Mini goes this weekend. I'll be an emotional basket case for the rest of the week. Very dangerous. There is an auction next week. After I sold the Moke, I bought an Inter, a 101, a S2a, a Perentie and a few trailers.
What will I buy next week?

What is this "sell cars" you speak of :confused: If you must sell the mini, I suggest being sensible and replacing it with something usable... First thing that comes to mind is a Renault Alpine A110.... Should be as fun as the mini to drive :twisted:

seeya,
Shane L.

[Grumbles]

So may similarities in everyone its scary......

Baggy

That exact thought has been running through my mind too Baggy.

It makes my earlier claim of Q - I have an eccentric type personality in that I am not a conformist and.......- UQ appear somewhat tenuous.

But what an absolute insightful gem of a thread this is into the mindset of Classic Rangie owners........be a shame to lose it........should be a sticky.:D

[Mercguy]

Look what followed the old Rangie home last week.....

seeya,
Shane L.

You bought a Traction Avant?

Crikey, you have a serious affliction. I thought I was bad. :eek:

I take it that it's on the trailer because it doesn't drive? Sounds equally expensive as it is depressing. Hope you can find the parts you need OK.

Got a pic of the front? They are a beautiful car.

EDIT: I just re-read your post. I misread the bit about your dad & demanding payment. Tell him the gearbox repairs cost more than the car is worth so you will take the finished running car as part payment thereof ;) That'll shut him up. Workes with my old man :D

[superquag]

Serendipity strikes.... Whilst driving an Isuzu (bus...) I spotted a TA up in the High Wycombe area. It had a personalised number plate but I was too busy driving through the intersection to take note of 'what' it said.

But the grille chevrons are a give-away as is the shape, and 'lines'. :D

The driver even looked... French:p

[DoubleChevron]

You bought a Traction Avant?

Crikey, you have a serious affliction. I thought I was bad. :eek:

I take it that it's on the trailer because it doesn't drive? Sounds equally expensive as it is depressing. Hope you can find the parts you need OK.

Got a pic of the front? They are a beautiful car.

EDIT: I just re-read your post. I misread the bit about your dad & demanding payment. Tell him the gearbox repairs cost more than the car is worth so you will take the finished running car as part payment thereof ;) That'll shut him up. Workes with my old man :D

This one is way to nice for me ... I will buy it oneday though. It's my fathers car, it's the only car he's ever really restored.... and he drove it once and pretty much hated it :Rolling: :Rolling: He's been threatening to sell it for years. It drives like a sports car for a 1930's design ... well it drives like a sports car compared to the cars from the 50's when it went out of production .............. The problem is .... Cars from that era all drive like 65+ year old cars :wasntme: :wasntme: :wasntme: I reckon it's brilliant.

The only drive it's really done was as my wedding car about 15years ago ( wow time passes quickly). Hopefully it'll be on the road by spring. It's never been driven as there was a noise in the gearbox. I foudn this in the bottom...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/690.jpg

Lucky those broken teach didn't go through it right ?? the gearbox would have shattered.

Aussiefrogs is just like this forum, but for french cars. I've already had mates I've met through the forum help me out with parts to get it mobile again.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/691.jpg

oh, it looks like this when assembled ... though it has scored quite a few marks in storage over the last few years.

I still say it .... Lifes to short to drive boring cars. They don't need to be shiny like that one ... I reckon a crappy old 101 in the fleet would be a hell of a lot of fun to :wasntme:

if your not smiling, your doing it wrong :banana:

Everytime I see an old studebaker I have an irrational urge to find one of them too .... Just as well I have about 50cents to my name most of the time :angel:

seeya
Shane L..

[superquag]

... You have 50 cents ? :p



- We have a couple of kids who owe us thou$and$. . . and TWO surplus cars :o

[RRover89]

Something I'm considering now....
Having had my first experience as a kid watching a family friends Rangie getting bogged I had some weird fascination with the beast...this grew to helping a mate rewire his 82 and subsitute a later dash to me getting my own.
Now on to my second I'm considering the switch but......
I love the look, the challenge, the joy but HATE the compulsive pull in to every petrol station at the moment even through its my other car.

[Meccles]

Gotta admit I was very dissappointed when I went from my 77 2 door running 3.5 that I had modified, to a D1 3.9 injected. I was expecting better fuel economy, but in fact, it was quite a lot worse. Kept the 77 for 12 years, the D1 only 2.

[Mercguy]

The fuel economy on the RRC is not exactly frugal either... But I don't think at this stage for me that it represents a problem. My future plans are for an engine swap anyway, when the v8 gets too tired - whenever that will be. So no hurry. Perhaps an excuse to install an aftermarket ecu and o2 sensors sooner than a swap, if the 14SUX (pun intended) injection starts acting up.

But let's face it, under the bonnet, the RRC is not a superstar, but for the most part I have found that it is reasonably robust and tolerant when appropriately nourished. I have 335,000km on it and it does blow a little bit at high rpm, rattles a little in the valvetrain and isn't exactly miserly on fuel, but it starts every time, goes when asked to, and generally speaking doesn't put up any resistance when I sink the boot into it.

The only caveat with all of the above, is that since buying it, I have performed quite a lot of maintenance which really needed doing quite some time before I purchased the vehicle. That is not to say it wasn't a well looked after unit, on the contrary, it has been very well maintained - just that there are areas where I feel the maintenance hasn't been as preventative or perhaps as thorough as required.
Although I am slowly coming to the understanding that with Land Rover, even if you do the maintenance properly once, not long after youve done it, you do it again because it never seems to be a permanent solution.

I think this is what frustrates a lot of people. I do find it very annoying. Certainly if I had to draw a direct comparison to the Mercedes, none of them require that same level of 'return' on maintenance jobs. Although I did have a radiator fail due to faulty quality after 3 years. Wasn't happy about that, but you have to expect that these things can happen to any vehicle.
But when it happens frequently, yeah I'm sure it gets up peoples noses and would / could easily be enough to want to get rid of it.

Thing is, I'm sure it really is a minority thing. It can't be an overwhelming problem on all landrovers despite the generalized 'reputation' for lack of reliability.
I'm actually finding that it's quite the opposite - all the things I've done are pretty much because the part is well beyond it's service life and hasn't been replaced in the vehicles lifetime, or were due for replacement long ago and some how were 'overlooked' - possibly due to other major repair / maintenance costs.

[cafe latte]

Easy answer, it is almost always cheaper to do the work especially if you do it yourself than get a new car. The wiggly line ie how much does this repair cost and how much is this car worth might not make financial sense, but the big picture the old car is probably the cheapest option, you know its faults too. Now the real question.... If the car means something ie it gives you joy that wiggly line should mean nothing. If the car is driving you mad move it on, simple.
Chris

[EastFreo]

I have been emotionally attached to most of my cars since my first - an Austin Healey Sprite that was originally my Dad's when he was a young doctor inGlasgow and he brought it over when he immigrated. I still have it and that car has had way more spent on it than it was worth. But already both my kids 8 and 6 are both laying claim to it.

However I have had one car that was a lemon from the moment I bought it. In our family it remains something we never speak of. I took a bit too long to sell it and in hindsight I can say there are some you should cut and run on.

[Tins]

Wow. What a subjective question. Well, here's my take. I am hopeless. I get attached to things. So, My answer is, well, never. I have had 5 FIAT 124 Sport Coupes. If they had survived I would still have all of them rather than one. I have 2 Discos, a RRC for a project ( one day ) and a Series III. It's madness.
I do have a Ford for the daily, and it could go in a heartbeat if it started to cost lots. There's nothing 'special' about it.
Thing is though, my stepson has a 2015 Prado, and I know I will NEVER spend the $$$$ that thing cost on all of my crazy cars combined. AND the D1 is better off road, by a fair margin. The largely stock D2 is probably it's equal.
I agree with Muppet though, have a reliable daily, and keep the RRC, or whatever, for the hobby. Make it as good as you can and enjoy the thing for what it is.

[cafe latte]

Wow. What a subjective question. Well, here's my take. I am hopeless. I get attached to things. So, My answer is, well, never. I have had 5 FIAT 124 Sport Coupes. If they had survived I would still have all of them rather than one. I have 2 Discos, a RRC for a project ( one day ) and a Series III. It's madness.
I do have a Ford for the daily, and it could go in a heartbeat if it started to cost lots. There's nothing 'special' about it.
Thing is though, my stepson has a 2015 Prado, and I know I will NEVER spend the $$$$ that thing cost on all of my crazy cars combined. AND the D1 is better off road, by a fair margin. The largely stock D2 is probably it's equal.
I agree with Muppet though, have a reliable daily, and keep the RRC, or whatever, for the hobby. Make it as good as you can and enjoy the thing for what it is.
Off topic, but dad had a couple of Fiat 132's, rust was crazy it was like rain disolved them, but mechanically they were amazing and scary fast.
Chris

[350RRC]

Off topic, but dad had a couple of Fiat 132's, rust was crazy it was like rain disolved them, but mechanically they were amazing and scary fast.
Chris

Someone told me that all Fiats and Alfas that came out here in those days were made out of recycled steel and were shipped as deck cargo........

Dunno if there is any fact in this.

DL

[cafe latte]

Someone told me that all Fiats and Alfas that came out here in those days were made out of recycled steel and were shipped as deck cargo........

Dunno if there is any fact in this.

DL

I was told similar, but I think it was poor grade Russian steel which was not very pure. Impurities are like an anode and cathode, but in the metal. Many of the 80 Fiats are worth quite a bit now as most rusted away.
Chris

[Mercguy]

haha built-in depreciation becomes accrued residual value increase after mandatory 30 year incubation period :)

Some would call that a sound investment :D

[Tins]

Someone told me that all Fiats and Alfas that came out here in those days were made out of recycled steel and were shipped as deck cargo........

Dunno if there is any fact in this.

DL

Dunno. They rusted in Europe as well. Rust killed Lancia in the UK. Very nearly killed Alfa completely.

[Mick_Marsh]

I was told similar, but I think it was poor grade Russian steel which was not very pure. Impurities are like an anode and cathode, but in the metal. Many of the 80 Fiats are worth quite a bit now as most rusted away.
Chris
They were before their time.

We now build cars out of Chinese steel.

[Mercguy]

mmm Russian steel....

Anyone seen a Lada without rust?

[Grumbles]

It seems that we have all confessed to being the possessors of a disparate set of values and lifestyle choices which is polarized by our possession/obsession of our Range Rovers. Range Rovers of which we are not simply owners but custodians for future owners. A perspective such as this sees us at odds with societal expectations of normal behavior, of having normal vehicles with normal motoring expectations aka the tedious boring hum drum of driving around in soul less, recycled tin cans.


Our outings are not just routine trips but each is an adventure - driving from A to B and hopefully back to A on the same day without mechanical disruption. We are focussed as much or more on the driving of our Range Rover than the destination. Our motoring is always accompanied by the thrill of potential perturbation and uncertainly, in fact our adrenal glands are finely tuned to the throb of our English engines. All of which in a roundabout way leads me to a question


Who of us here flaunts their uniqueness and conformity rebelliousness by using their Range Rover as a daily driver?

[cafe latte]

mmm Russian steel....

Anyone seen a Lada without rust?

I had a Niva with no rust, oh wait that is because I ground it off, filled the deep pits and resprayed it. :D Actually it never rusted again, but I did uderseal it, fill the cavities with wax and wash and wax it weekly. The rust I had was just a couple of surface patches on the doors, otherwise it was fine, which is unusual for a Lada. Saying that it was an amazing car and stunning off road, if they wernt so small I would have another one as a run about.
Chris

[Grumbles]

I had a Lada Niva from new and kept it for some years. It carted me and my family around on our trips and did so reliably along with being a capable bush fourby. Not a trace of rust either.

If they imported them again I would have one.

[Mercguy]

Who of us here flaunts their uniqueness and conformity rebelliousness by using their Range Rover as a daily driver?


Mine is a Daily - 34,000km in just under 18 months. So far, no breakdowns, but I do try to ensure my maintenance regime prevents that. Consequential to that, it has meant I've replaced or repaired or reconditioned many parts which probably could have remained serviceable for quite some time, but because of the 'unknown' factor I've made a decision to remain in a preventative state of mind, rather than practice the 'cure'.

There are probably others out there more experienced and far wiser when it comes to knowing intimately the serviceability of different parts, what kind of wear characteristics are 'ok' or 'typical' for LR, and that may allow others to extend the service life of certain parts. That's OK, but since I don't have that detailed expertise and decades of LR-specific knowledge, I'm quite satisfied with the way things have turned out right now.

[Meccles]

When mine goes on road, it is planned as my daily. With SWMBO getting the Sport, I mean it is in her name:D

[350RRC]

Mine is a Daily - 34,000km in just under 18 months. So far, no breakdowns, but I do try to ensure my maintenance regime prevents that. Consequential to that, it has meant I've replaced or repaired or reconditioned many parts which probably could have remained serviceable for quite some time, but because of the 'unknown' factor I've made a decision to remain in a preventative state of mind, rather than practice the 'cure'.

There are probably others out there more experienced and far wiser when it comes to knowing intimately the serviceability of different parts, what kind of wear characteristics are 'ok' or 'typical' for LR, and that may allow others to extend the service life of certain parts. That's OK, but since I don't have that detailed expertise and decades of LR-specific knowledge, I'm quite satisfied with the way things have turned out right now.

I live in a coastal town in Vic.

There are a disproportionate number of LR's in town, including new or near new RRS's, RR's, Evoques, Defenders, couple of Isuzu countys, plenty of D1,2,3 & 4's, etc.

Guy I know from elsewhere bailed me up in the street the other day and asked (in a joking manner) 'what's going on in Range Rover Ville?'

I just said that mine is the only one in town going up in value.

DL

[bikeman]

my bro inlaw has an 06 RRS tdv6. In the 18 months he has owned it he has spent about 10k in repairs and replacements, other than service. In the same period I have spent about 1k other than service. His maybe more quiet, diesel, possibly more comfortable and a bit more poke, I am more than happy with my 95 RRC. Would I change???????
Love my Classic.
Phil

[Mercguy]

Raised the 'engine swap' discussion with the missus last night...

response was warmer than expected. Not quite frozen, but there was a light chill to it...

Maybe I need to put her out into the sun a while before I mention it again...

[Disco Muppet]

I've just accepted the fact that when I start my engine swap I'm going to be paying for a LOT of dinners and movie nights :p

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[Mercguy]

I've just accepted the fact that when I start my engine swap I'm going to be paying for a LOT of dinners and movie nights :p

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heheh.... We were out having dinner when I casually slipped it into the conversation.

It's going to take a bit more work before I can get this one 'approved'... lol

Dinner / movies just won't cut it - those are already on the 'expected' list... no, it's going to have to be shiny, possibly with sparkles.... :eek:

There is always a sting in the tail of every project....

[DoubleChevron]

You guys tell your wives what your doing to your car :eek: Just do it :D ..... She'll soon work out something is going on when the car dissappears into the shed in bits ..... and you start driving some other ****box ( so long as you don't call her to work to rescue you, I find I'm usually ok :wasntme: )

seeya.
Shane L.

[DoubleChevron]

It seems that we have all confessed to being the possessors of a disparate set of values and lifestyle choices which is polarized by our possession/obsession of our Range Rovers. Range Rovers of which we are not simply owners but custodians for future owners. A perspective such as this sees us at odds with societal expectations of normal behavior, of having normal vehicles with normal motoring expectations aka the tedious boring hum drum of driving around in soul less, recycled tin cans.


Our outings are not just routine trips but each is an adventure - driving from A to B and hopefully back to A on the same day without mechanical disruption. We are focussed as much or more on the driving of our Range Rover than the destination. Our motoring is always accompanied by the thrill of potential perturbation and uncertainly, in fact our adrenal glands are finely tuned to the throb of our English engines. All of which in a roundabout way leads me to a question


Who of us here flaunts their uniqueness and conformity rebelliousness by using their Range Rover as a daily driver?

Wow ... I thought it was my "normal car/tractor"...... We headed down to warrnanbool for that "fun for kids" thing this week. Not one to leave things to the last minute, the day before we are leaving I thought I'd modify the hitch receiver... Welded on a friction sway system balljoint.... added a tag to the distribution hitch so it couln't rotate like all of the "under towball" type distribution setups and loosen the towball in use.... At about 10:00pm the night before we left I thought maybe I should look at the old rangie before we left....... I crawled under it and pulled the filler plugs on the diffs/gearbox/transfer case .... and most dribbled oil from the fillers so were left untouched.

I figured oneday I'll put the LT230 in that's sitting usefully beside the car in the shed..... probably at the same time I get around to checking the other 'cv joint to make sure it doesn't disintegrate in use as it's rusty and has no grease :wasntme: So I just satisfied myself with adding lots of air to the tires and filing the gas tank.

Of course we had strong gusty winds all the way to warnanbool.... The thing moved all around like it always does when towing the block of flats ( I figured this was just normal behaviour for these things... I added the distribution kit and friction anti-sway to hopefully reduce this). She drank an entire tank of LPG to do the couple of hundred clicks down there at 85km/h.....

I unhooked when we got there ... bloody wind, hooking the caravan up gurantees strong gusty winds :( I foudn it was still being blown around without the bloody caravan on the back heading into town :o

Today we headed back home .... my checks involved hooking up the caravan mirrors and filling the gas tank again ..... Yes it was windy .... but bloody unbelievable... Not strong and gusty for the first time ever.... We bloody stormed home. rather than 80-> 85km/h ... the bloody thing kept wanting to sit on 100km/h.... I had to keep lifting off. Without wind gusts we tracked arrow straight. Passsing Bdoubles didn't even move it. What an amazing old heap of junk. We pulled up at home with empty gas tanks and no issues.

I guess I should get that LT230 in there someday .... check the front 'cv ..... stop my wifes door rattling like buggery ..... fix the central locking .... locking/unlocking/locking/unlocking/locking .....etc... you get the idea. Maybe I'll even get that bush kit in there someday.

I figure just drive and enjoy. Don't worry about stuff until you need to :D

seeya,
Shane L.

[Baggy]

I was very surprised the misses let me purchase the 92 Rangie .....though I did recently
purchase her an 18 month old Territory with the 2.7 TDV6 so maybe that was the sweetener.

Footnote .... after 4 months ownership the master cylinder leaked Brake fluid into power brake booster of the Territory...$1200.00c for a new one from the local Ford Steeler.

Considering the purchase cost of the Territory the Rangie with its lack of service history is still looking a great buy dollar for dollar.

Plus ......it just looks so good and sounds even better

Cheers

Baggy

[Tins]

I had a Lada Niva from new and kept it for some years. It carted me and my family around on our trips and did so reliably along with being a capable bush fourby. Not a trace of rust either.

If they imported them again I would have one.

My Dad bought one new. Apart from the appalling PD work carried out by a certain Victorian racing driver's workshop ( yes, that one ), and the bad pedal placement ( familiar to anyone who has driven a pre 80s FIAT ), it was a good car. A little rough, perhaps, and way too small to compete with, say, a Disco, but really quite capable for what it was.
When he could no longer drive we sold it to a bloke in Mt Gambier, who loved it. Ten years on, not a speck of rust anywhere. Still, dad didn't drive much, and it was garaged, but I thought it was ok.

[superquag]

... when there are 6 cars parked outside/on lawn of a 2 vehicle carport... with 2 of them being'garage-sculptures' occupying the sheltered area... Only 4 drivers in the family... and only 3 cars are 'Daily Drivers' + Mother's Limo

- And now Father-in Law wants to off-load a little-used & well maintained SsangYong Musso onto us...

Only the Classic is .... "un-driven" ...:o