Series 2A brakes

[jason young]

We have just got a what I think is 1963 series 2A ute with 4 cylinder petrol.
I am wanting to fit new brake kits front and rear.
Is 11" drums on front with 2 cylinders per side standard on the pickups .
Pads measure 2 1/4" wide but all listings I have seen say 2 1/2" wide on the 4 cylinder model and 3" on 6 cylinders.
I have found what looks like the correct on ebay ( 6044 brake kit, item number 291590034566 ) a kit but says its for a series 3 , now I am somewhat confused.


Also are the parabolic springs any good on the utes?

[Homestar]

Sounds about right - only the SWB units would have a single wheel cylinder on the fronts - identical to the backs, but on all four corners. Not 100% sure about the width though.

With the springs, there's 2 things you can do to make it ride better - one is to fit parabolics - I'll be running them in my series 3 tray when it's done - or as a cheaper measure, remove, disassemble and clean the existing springs and lubricate between the springs with graphite when reassembling - this will allow the springs to slide past each other like they were originally designed, but on a ute, you,k still need something in the back to make them work as there is bugger all weight back there.

I'd go parabolics if your budget allows for them.

[JDNSW]

Brake parts are interchangeable between Series 2a and Series 3, as long as the width and drum diameter are the same and you observe front or rear.

For both 2a and 3 all 109s have 11" brakes, and all 88s except very late Series 3 have 10" brakes.

All four cylinder 109s have 2.25" width shoes except sixes, V-8s and Isuzu engined Stage 1s, which have 3" front brakes.

All 109s have two leading shoe front brakes and one leading/one trailing rear, and all 88s except very late Series 3 have one leading/one trailing front and rear.

But! A common "brake improvement" for all models is to upgrade the front brakes by going from 10" to 11" for 88s and 2.25" to 3" width for 109s, so it is wide to check what is on your particular vehicle. (Width can be checked without any disassembly as the narrower drums have a very distinct conical section between the cylindrical part and the flat side, and the 3" ones don't.)

Parabolic springs can be suitable for any leaf sprung Landrover, the only down for a ute is that they are less suitable for a vehicle that is used both loaded and unloaded as you need to choose between springs designed for the loaded or the unloaded axle weight. But then the same applies to conventional springs, unless you can get hold of a pair of so-called " stationwagon" springs that are dual rate.

In many cases overhauling the existing springs by disassembling, cleaning and lubricating them is almost as good as new parabolic springs.

Hope this helps.

John

[gromit]

On the 11" brakes 2 1/4" is correct so not sure where 2 1/2" comes from.

There are a number of well known suppliers in the UK, if you use their websites you can usually find what you need or send them an email. Often these same suppliers advertise on Ebay but it's cheaper to buy direct.
Alternatively, there are several Land Rover parts suppliers in Australia you could use, sometimes a bit more expensive but easy to get parts changed if they are incorrect plus you can phone/visit and talk to someone about what you need.
For brake parts, try a brake specialist (look for an older established one), your old shoes could probably be re-lined.

Here's one of the UK suppliers websites Land Rover Series 2 & 3 Parts & Accessories - Paddock Spares (http://www.paddockspares.com/parts-and-accessories/land-rover-series-2-and-3.html)


Colin

[jason young]

Brake parts are interchangeable between Series 2a and Series 3, as long as the width and drum diameter are the same and you observe front or rear.

For both 2a and 3 all 109s have 11" brakes, and all 88s except very late Series 3 have 10" brakes.

All four cylinder 109s have 2.25" width shoes except sixes, V-8s and Isuzu engined Stage 1s, which have 3" front brakes.

All 109s have two leading shoe front brakes and one leading/one trailing rear, and all 88s except very late Series 3 have one leading/one trailing front and rear.

But! A common "brake improvement" for all models is to upgrade the front brakes by going from 10" to 11" for 88s and 2.25" to 3" width for 109s, so it is wide to check what is on your particular vehicle. (Width can be checked without any disassembly as the narrower drums have a very distinct conical section between the cylindrical part and the flat side, and the 3" ones don't.)

Parabolic springs can be suitable for any leaf sprung Landrover, the only down for a ute is that they are less suitable for a vehicle that is used both loaded and unloaded as you need to choose between springs designed for the loaded or the unloaded axle weight. But then the same applies to conventional springs, unless you can get hold of a pair of so-called " stationwagon" springs that are dual rate.

In many cases overhauling the existing springs by disassembling, cleaning and lubricating them is almost as good as new parabolic springs.

Hope this helps.

John


Yes that helps a lot, maybe I was incorrect with the 2 1/2" width, they are definitely 2 1/4".

[harry]

Re springs, if you use the vehicle often,you won't need to change springs,
Normal driving and wet weather will keep the springs working, lack of use will cost in many other areas as well, use it or abuse it!

[jason young]

Re springs, if you use the vehicle often,you won't need to change springs,
Normal driving and wet weather will keep the springs working, lack of use will cost in many other areas as well, use it or abuse it!


the springs we have are shagged, rusted in between leaves and sagged