Would you recover from these?

[Islandnomad]

This is an original Landrover STC50025 stainless steel nudge bar. It has 2 recovery points built into it. Would you use these for a recovery?

[loanrangie]

Hell no, that bar would be pulled off the vehicle in 10 seconds flat.

[Disco Muppet]

It doesn't have recovery points. It has tie down points. For shipping or on a tow truck. If that.


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[sheerluck]

Those tie down points may have just enough strength to hold a pair of those oh-so-amusing testicle shaped dangly things you see suspended from the towbars of Patrols, but I wouldn't trust them any further than that.

Unless you really think that the person trying to recover you needs a bar shaped hole in the back of their head.

[Disco Muppet]

These are what I recover off, yo also use an RUD style recovery swivel eye mounted to the bullbar if you elect to subscribe to the notion of thought that bullbar recoveries are okay, which I'm on the fence about, or you could use a hook type one mounted in the same spot as mine to the chassis.
The downside of my style recovery points is angled pulls damaging the shackle pin, as explained by Tank.
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Basically there's nothing on factory fittings I'd recover off, with the exception of the tow hitch



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[MR LR]

Ahh, this old chestnut. Here we go again :wasntme:

[Islandnomad]

I do like the idea of them being on the front of the vehicle, as most of the ones I've seen you have to get under it (pita in mud), except those swivel eyes. It solves my problem of my fishing rod holder though as I don't think I want a bullbar this time. I wonder if I can fit this as well as a set of the APT/Philco type?

[Disco Muppet]

Pretty sure fishing rod holder's are technically illegal...
There's a lot of the pommy lads who have fitted philco style recovery points with stock bumpers, it does require some very minor modifications though.

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[Islandnomad]

Pretty sure fishing rod holder's are technically illegal...
There's a lot of the pommy lads who have fitted philco style recovery points with stock bumpers, it does require some very minor modifications though.

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Yes I believe they are illegal, when not in use. I find with this type they are easily removed. Currently have them bolted to the roof rack facing forward, that's ok too.

Just a really nice bar is all, somewhere I can put some lights. I have a nonstandard nudgebar now but it looks awful.

[Islandnomad]

"There's a lot of the pommy lads who have fitted philco style recovery points with stock bumpers"

Yes I found these photos of what they are doing over there. Looks like a solution for those who don't want to get under the car to hook up and don't want a bullbar. Doesn't look that strong though, only 11mm bolts and 8mm plate. I'm sure my mate Clubba will say it won't work (not trying to be inflammatry here), but again if it were beefed up a little might be an acceptable solution?

[Islandnomad]

A mechanic in England, Gemm I think, has made a front recovery point for a D2 with a tractor loop but I can't find any photos. He brings the loop out in the centre of the mesh where the other recovery points above exit, but in the middle, so a single recovery point. I assume he attaches it to both chassis rails behind the crush cans somewhere. Its hellishly strong and a really simple solution apparently. Anyone seen this done? The photo below is just a tractor loop from the web but you get the idea.

[Disco Muppet]

Whatever philcos points are made of are secured by the same 12mm HT bolts my arb bar is secured with. If they're strong enough to have held up to me being snatched out of muddy table drains, flat towed 20km, winched up rockfaces, etc I'm sure they're strong enough for most things.

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[cuppabillytea]

I think we might need our own version of Myth Busters, where we test Land Rovers and recovery gear to destruction. Sound like fun? :o

[Islandnomad]

"Whatever philcos points are made of are secured by the same 12mm HT bolts my arb bar is secured with."

They seem to be made of either 19mm (ARB & Philco) or 16mm (APT) laser cut steel. APT's are 16mm 350 MPa laser cut steelplate. And he uses Super duty high tensile 4 x M12 grade 8.8ZP bolts, high tensile ZP washers and nylocs. So you'd think it would be ok and they are a well proven design, being attached this way. Just need to extend it out and thru the grill a bit and it might be ok?

[Tombie]

"Whatever philcos points are made of are secured by the same 12mm HT bolts my arb bar is secured with."

They seem to be made of either 19mm (ARB & Philco) or 16mm (APT) laser cut steel. APT's are 16mm 350 MPa laser cut steelplate. And he uses Super duty high tensile 4 x M12 grade 8.8ZP bolts, high tensile ZP washers and nylocs. So you'd think it would be ok and they are a well proven design, being attached this way. Just need to extend it out and thru the grill a bit and it might be ok?



If you asked Ben at APT you'd likely find he would do that for you...

[Islandnomad]

"If you asked Ben at APT you'd likely find he would do that for you..."

Yes I've spoken to him about his current style for the D2 nearly bought one then submerged the car, nice guy, close to me too once I get on the mainland. I'll contact him. Reckon that little bit extra cantilever in 19mm or 16mm plate should be ok. Doesn't fix Tank's shackle orientation issue but you can't have everything....maybe if you could twist it, too thick probably...would be better with the shackle pin verticle I think...anyway?

I'm also putting a newish OEM nudgebar in an adjacent position now, which may be interesting. Maybe I'll get the plate above made with the same bolt setout as the LR NudgeBar Mounting Bracket and sandwich it all together?

[schuy1]

Hey, I got it all sussed with mine, fiendishly simple when ya think about it :D 2 steps, 1 dont get stuck to start with, B) If I can get stuck I dont need to go there...... See? Simple

[DiscoMick]

This is an original Landrover STC50025 stainless steel nudge bar. It has 2 recovery points built into it. Would you use these for a recovery?

The ones in the pictures look to me like tie down, not recovery, points.

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[Disco Muppet]

Hey, I got it all sussed with mine, fiendishly simple when ya think about it :D 2 steps, 1 dont get stuck to start with, B) If I can get stuck I dont need to go there...... See? Simple

Toyota's and nissans need help too you know...

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[schuy1]

Toyota's and nissans need help too you know...

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:D I think part 2 of my statement applies there...... I can still do the good Samaritan act and 9.9 times outa 10 be well within the parameters of my statement..........:p

[Islandnomad]

Haha yes well I too generally help others, but i have been bogged myself once or twice too...

Interestingly the APT Landrover Recovery Points are now rated at 4305kg I assume for the entire system not for each of them, this is recent I think? First time I've seen a D2 recovery point with a proper engineering rating and this I assume would have been tested with the shackle pin in a horizontal alignment using a bridle too, it has to be fine like that, regardless of the pin alignment. See link: APT Recovery Points - Dog Leg | Discovery 1 & 2 | Range Rover - APT Fabrication Custom Land Rover Parts & Accessories (http://aptfabrication.com.au/browse-catalogue/discovery-2/product/271-apt-recovery-points-dog-leg-discovery-1-2-range-rover/category_pathway-17)

[Bohica]

I was thinking of this.
APT Steering Guard | Discovery 2 - APT Fabrication Custom Land Rover Parts & Accessories (http://aptfabrication.com.au/land-rover-steering-guards/product/31-apt-steering-guard-discovery-2/category_pathway-22)