Land Rover 6x6

[Mick themungrel]

I am thinking of purchasing a 6x6 ex Army LR. Anybody have any knowledge of these? Any common problems with them?

[87County]

I think you may find more coverage on them over at the remlr.com forum - worth joining anyway.

I've not driven one but from all reports they're a solid machine, if a little slow due to the low gearing.

[Mick themungrel]

I think you may find more coverage on them over at the remlr.com forum - worth joining anyway.

I've not driven one but from all reports they're solid machine, if a little slow due to the low gearing.

Thanks will look into that tomorrow.

[cripesamighty]

A good place to start would be "Barefoot Dave's" Perentie guide available on here for a modest sum. It will give you a lot of info you will not find anywhere else.

[Mick_Marsh]

They are solid.
They're slow off the mark.
They have a top, comfortable cruising speed of 80kph.
You can ring them out to almost 100kph in favourable conditions.
They're big.
They're great.

Why are you buying it? What will you be using it for? Will you be keeping it unmolested? If not, what modifications do you want to do with it?

Remember, it is a truck. A light rigid. I would advise you to get a LR endorsement on your license (unless you already have one).

[Mick themungrel]

Mick I intend to fit 2 x 1400Lx600Dx800h toolboxs that I currently have on a ford Ranger tray back and use it for a service vehicle, plus as tow vehicle for my caravan.

I dont plan at the moment to change it too much, add A/C and cruise control. will leave the camo paint work for now.

What is a fair price for them?

[cripesamighty]

Mick,

Something you may not be aware of. How heavy is the caravan? From memory the tow weight on the Perenties (4x4 and 6x6) was limited in military service and less than the equivalent civilian versions. I'm sure others will be along to give you the specifics.


Cheers,

Cripesamighty

[Mick_Marsh]

Interesting question.
They generally go for between $15k and $30k at the auctions.
By the time they're on the road, that translates to between $20k and $35k.
Sometimes they go at clearing sales for a little over $10k.

This is, of course, very dependant on condition, vehicle history and who is bidding at the time.

Best advice I can give is see what they are selling for on ebay and gumtree.

[Homestar]

As Mick said, they're great - that sort of sums them up, but don't expect to break any land speed records. They are well mannered both on and off road, but also as said, the towing capacity was quite low - the Military rate their towing capacity over any terrain, so it is always lower than a civy spec. Having said that, I believe you could have this engineered up, but I've yet to see anyone attempt this.

[Mick_Marsh]

Mick,

Something you may not be aware of. How heavy is the caravan? From memory the tow weight on the Perenties (4x4 and 6x6) was limited in military service and less than the equivalent civilian versions. I'm sure others will be along to give you the specifics.


Cheers,

Cripesamighty
This is covered elsewhere on the forum. Do a little research. You can decide whether the 6x6 suits your purpose. Mine suits mine

[Mick themungrel]

Mick,

Something you may not be aware of. How heavy is the caravan? From memory the tow weight on the Perenties (4x4 and 6x6) was limited in military service and less than the equivalent civilian versions. I'm sure others will be along to give you the specifics.


Cheers,

Cripesamighty

Thanks for that important info re the tow weight. After a few hours searching, I came up with Gross Trailer Mass of 900kgs. GVM of 5.6t GCM of 7.1t open road and cross country. 1500kg difference. Both are way to light for towing my van. I will have to do a lot more research on this.

[Mick_Marsh]

I think the 900kg is for the 4x4.
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[MR LR]

The 6x6 towing capacity is 1500kg.

I've no doubt this could be changed quite easily.

[Mick_Marsh]

What documentation did you get that from or did you just subtract 5.6t from 7.1t?

[MR LR]

What documentation did you get that from or did you just subtract 5.6t from 7.1t?
A few websites state it, I've not looked at anything official.

However I went with that as the GCM-GVM is 1500kg like you say...

[Mick_Marsh]

A few websites state it, I've not looked at anything official.

However I went with that as the GCM-GVM is 1500kg like you say...
Which websites? You got links?

[Mick themungrel]

Mick Im sure that they well capable of towing 3 to 4t, but what is marked at the tow capacity is what is legal. I know the Series2 and I think 3 110 were rated at 4.5t.
My interest in the 6x6 is cooling because of this, as I need at least a 3t rating to tow my van.

[Mick themungrel]

The 6x6 towing capacity is 1500kg.

I've no doubt this could be changed quite easily.

Manufacturers set the tow capacity.

[Barefoot Dave]

Mick, the can of worms people are hedging around is this:
There is no documentation available from lr starting towing capacity. All we have is the figure given in the military manuals (not legally binding) and the rated gcm.

[Mick themungrel]

Mick, the can of worms people are hedging around is this:
There is no documentation available from lr starting towing capacity. All we have is the figure given in the military manuals (not legally binding) and the rated gcm.

That is what is scaring me off them Dave. The difference between GVM and GCM is only 1500kg, way to light for what I need. The vehicle is perfect as a service vehicle for me, but I also need to tow my van as well.

[Mick_Marsh]

Mick Im sure that they well capable of towing 3 to 4t, but what is marked at the tow capacity is what is legal. I know the Series2 and I think 3 110 were rated at 4.5t.
My interest in the 6x6 is cooling because of this, as I need at least a 3t rating to tow my van.
Yep. And what is the manufacturers rated tow capacity? That has proven to be a rather difficult bit of information to track down.
Any lead is well worth pursuing.

[MR LR]

I'll see if I can dig up dads old sales brochure on the civvy 6x6, I know he delivered at least one of them. That would surely state it.

Although the GCM would still need to be raised.

I even sold a car to the guy, twenty something years later!

Mick Marsh - links are in history on computer, but I literally googled "6x6 perentie towing capacity" and the first few links all yielded that answer.

[Mick_Marsh]

The GVM of the civvy 6x6 should be 4.7t.

6x6 Australia rate their Landcruisers tow capacity at 3t on road and 1.5t off road.

[JDNSW]

From the owners handbook (included on the Rave CD) Gross Combination Mass for the (civilian) 6x6 is given as 7050kg.

John

[Mick themungrel]

Thank you all very much for your help. Unfortunately, the 1500kg tow capacity is way to low for me. I need at least 3t to be able to travel with my work. To say I am disappointed is an understatement, every since the army started using them I have been waiting for them to come up auction and now I am in a position and can justify the expense to buy and set it up.

[Mick themungrel]

The GVM of the civvy 6x6 should be 4.7t.

6x6 Australia rate their Landcruisers tow capacity at 3t on road and 1.5t off road.

I have been in touch with 6x6 Australia earlier this year about stretching my current work ute, they can up the GVM, but not the tow capacity. That is set by the manufacturer.

[Mick_Marsh]

My Perentie has a tare just shy of 4t. With me on board and a few odds and sods, lets say it weighs 4.1t.
My way of thinking, with the GCM being 7.1t and the towing capacity unpublished, that gives me 3t to play with when towing. My Perentie is heavier than most. The GS is about a little over 3t.

Thinking about what you want to do, toolup and tow a big van, have you considered a Mog?
There are a few people here that have 4x4 trucks. They seem to be very capable.

[Mick themungrel]

Thinking about what you want to do, toolup and tow a big van, have you considered a Mog?
There are a few people here that have 4x4 trucks. They seem to be very capable.

A Mog not really suitable for me Mick. I need a twin cab and a reasonably low tray.

[MR LR]

You should be able to get a GCM upgrade done.

Go to an engineering shop like Nixons in Wagga, they will then build a tow bar to suit, and certify it all. They are a truck engineering company, so would know about this stuff a lot better than a station wagon conversion specialist.

[Summiitt]

We are operating one for forestry operations, loaded up with about 2ton on the back, we are doing about 700-1000km/week..ours had a brand new gearbox fitted when we picked it up, repairs to date have been all new front end bushes/ball joints, new starter, alternator, couple of ripped out brake lines due to the terrain it's operated in and some stripped drive flanges. It's heavy on fuel, chews the current 750/16 tyres like chewing gum, but it's load carrying capacity and space and it's off road performance is unmatched..they are a surprisingly easy truck to drive, just abit slow. I'll be fitting 265/75/16 tyres shortly to get some better life and off road performance..total cost to date including repairs is around $25k..

[Benda64]

HI Mick,
I bought one over a year ago had been watching for a while, its been great, the only thing I would suggest is if you are looking at one that has a logo painted on the door, mine was 8-1, find out what unit that was. Mine came from a mortor platoon in Darwin so it had been driven hard. I put a toolbox across both back halves of the tray, new canopy on the forward half, roof top tent over the toolboxes extra fuel, water and a few other things, did 9000 Km to and through the Simpson this year, no land speed record, drove well, have had issues with the drive train but I think that was down to poor maintenance by civil contractors the Army used in Darwin, uni joints.
If you get 4x4 Action mag issue 257 has some photos of it.
Hope you find a good one and enjoy I am :)

[Jackofalltrades]

6x6 is described as light truck on the plate, has same Carry capacity as the old 4x4 army acco

6x6 LR is not a tow vehicle, it should be .... but army always underrates, and it’s only 4 liters

If your towing F250 or F350

Check out price of other 20 year old commercial trucks, you might be a little surprised at the cost value compared to 6x6 with reality of 500k + of hard life

There was really good tenix rebuilt one sold recently for mid 30’s not sure how good was but if it was as it looked, that’s the most they are worth,

I bought some Real expensive tyres and came with 6x6,

Mine so far is a very negative experience,

Great design, awesome to drive

if you don’t have more funds above purchase price and time available to for repairs

Don’t buy one with out log books,

Don’t rely on road worthy,

Get someone to look at if who knows them,

[Mick_Marsh]

I'll see if I can dig up dads old sales brochure on the civvy 6x6, I know he delivered at least one of them. That would surely state it.

Although the GCM would still need to be raised.

I even sold a car to the guy, twenty something years later!

Mick Marsh - links are in history on computer, but I literally googled "6x6 perentie towing capacity" and the first few links all yielded that answer.
I found one.
134570

As John (JDNSW) says, it's GCM is 7050kg.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The GVM of the civvy 6x6 should be 4.7t.

6x6 Australia rate their Landcruisers tow capacity at 3t on road and 1.5t off road.The civvy coil spring 6x6 GVM is certainly 4700 kg and the GTW (Gross Train Weight in UK or GCM in Oz) is 7500 kg. However the civvy narrow track/coil spring model is a different animal to the Perentie 6x6 so the civvy data doesn't necessarily apply.

134578

[Mick_Marsh]

The civvy coil spring 6x6 GVM is certainly 4700 kg and the GTW (Gross Train Weight in UK or GCM in Oz) is 7050 kg. However the civvy narrow track/coil spring model is a different animal to the Perentie 6x6 so the civvy data doesn't necessarily apply.
Corrected your typo.

Yep. The point I'm making is you cannot apply the ratings for civilian Landrovers to Perenties.
I think the assumption "If the civilian Defender 4x4 ratings can be applied to a Perentie 4x4 and, because civilian Defenders are rated to tow way more than Perentie 4x4s, we can tow more than the military rating on the 6x6 Perentie because the civilian 6x6 110 must be rated way more", is totally false.

I have always been of the opinion Perenties cannot adopt the ratings of their civilian counterparts. It's just a bonus the Perentie 6x6 has higher ratings than it's civilian counterpart.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The GVM of the civvy 6x6 should be 4.7t.

6x6 Australia rate their Landcruisers tow capacity at 3t on road and 1.5t off road.The civvy coil spring 6x6 GVM is certainly 4700 kg and the GTW (Gross Train Weight in UK or GCM in Oz) is 7500 kg. However the civvy narrow track/coil spring model is a different animal to the Perentie 6x6 so the civvy data doesn't necessarily apply.

134578Corrected your typo.

Yep. The point I'm making is you cannot apply the ratings for civilian Landrovers to Perenties.
I think the assumption "If the civilian Defender 4x4 ratings can be applied to a Perentie 4x4 and, because civilian Defenders are rated to tow way more than Perentie 4x4s, we can tow more than the military rating on the 6x6 Perentie because the civilian 6x6 110 must be rated way more", is totally false.

I have always been of the opinion Perenties cannot adopt the ratings of their civilian counterparts. It's just a bonus the Perentie 6x6 has higher ratings than it's civilian counterpart.Hi Mick

I don't mind you quoting me but don't correct me when you are wrong yourself.

Did you look at the weights recorded on the VIN plate of my 6x6 Defender? The GTW is 7500kg.

[Mick_Marsh]

Hi Mick

I don't mind you quoting me but don't correct me when you are wrong yourself.

Did you look at the weights recorded on the VIN plate of my 6x6 Defender? The GTW is 7500kg.
I did not look at your picture.
Interesting, your picture shows 7500kg where as the brochure shows 7050kg. Was the brochure a typo?
How can we reconcile the difference?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I did not look at your picture.
Interesting, your picture shows 7500kg where as the brochure shows 7050kg. Was the brochure a typo?
How can we reconcile the difference?After my post and being acutely aware that I did have a shot at you, and I apologise for any offence, I was thinking about this issue. You were quoting from a document on the 6x6 variant of the 110 where my 6x6 is a variant of the Defender, perhaps it was the fact that mine is built with the HD diffs which were not available in the 110.

[Mick_Marsh]

I have been told the civvy version of the 6x6 Perentie used the same chassis. Did the Defender version also use the same chassis?
I would ave thought the limiting factor would have been something around the construction of the rear cross member area, much like the 4x4 Perentie (yes, I know they have different rear cross members).

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I have been told the civvy version of the 6x6 Perentie used the same chassis. Did the Defender version also use the same chassis?
I would ave thought the limiting factor would have been something around the construction of the rear cross member area, much like the 4x4 Perentie (yes, I know they have different rear cross members).
No the UK built Defender 6x6 was an extended standard 110 chassis (130-BC40) where the extension was a 40 inch section inserted between the coil spring mounts and the original 110 rear chassis stuck at the back. The Perentie 6x6 is something like a 150-BC35 with a boat trailer stuck on a wide track 110 front chassis. IIRC the civilian 110 6x6 built by JRA had the wide track rear with the boat trailer chassis but the standard front track chassis. Although there were a number of UK built 6x6 imported and sold through JRA/LRA so I'm not aware what your brochure relates to.

When you look at the towing capacity of my Defender 6x6 it is nominally the same 3000kg as the Defender 110 so long as you don't have the maximum mass on the vehicle.

[BigO]

Hi everyone
New to the forum and live in the northwest pilbara WA
I have some questions about the penertie 6x6
What is a NSW blue slip?
Has anyone licensed one in WA and how did you do it?
And has anyone lifted the towing capacity to 3000 or 3500kg with engineering paper work ?
Thanks for the help
Big O

[ntguy]

Maybe a dual or Multi cab OKA with Cummins will fit the mold. I know some OKA`s that have had the trailer weights etc upgraded.

[Mick_Marsh]

What is a NSW blue slip?
A NSW roadworthy certificate. Means nothing in WA but will be needed if you require a NSW unregistered permit.

Has anyone licensed one in WA and how did you do it?
Yes. You'll have to wait for those people to respond. The WA licencing system is dark magic to me.

And has anyone lifted the towing capacity to 3000 or 3500kg with engineering paper work ?
Yes. There are a few threads here in the military sections. Have a browse.

[BigO]

A NSW roadworthy certificate. Means nothing in WA but will be needed if you require a NSW unregistered permit.

Yes. You'll have to wait for those people to respond. The WA licencing system is dark magic to me.

Yes. There are a few threads here in the military sections. Have a browse.Thanks mick will look in to it
just trying to working out how much it will cost
At auction or private