Teach me your luxury ways!

[Judo]

:D Looking into diesel L322's. HSE altho I'm not entirely clear on the difference between the SE and HSE? I know I can't afford a Vogue.

Apart from the gearbox what are the other big questions?

The plan is self maintenance. Will it be much different from my D1 and County? ;)

Good idea or great idea? Discuss.

[chaybra]

Gearbox and suspension bushes are the only worries. best get yourself the IIDtool to, for when some electrical issue arises, it turns big ones into little ones really quick.

[Road Stone]

Levels of equipment are the big differences, google for the specs and you'll see.


If I had a County or D1 now, I'd race off into the bush without a care in the world.


As stated, independent diagnostics is a must. Very good advice.


Cheers, Jerry

[rar110]

The FullfatRR site has some excellent information specifically about the L322, especially in the wiki section. AULRO is good for an Australian context and conditions.

Essentially the L322 went through 5 phases IMHO:
2002-2005 initial version with BMW 3.0 TD with GM 5 speed, and BMW 4.4 v8 petrol with ZF 5 speed.
2005/6: facelift with reputedly improved electronics. Same Td and transmission, now with improved Jag v8s and ZF 6 speed in 4.4na and 4.2sc. The v8s seem to be the pick.
2007-2009: improved electronics again although now more complex with terrain response (which had been in the D3 since 2005). The v8s are the same. New is the tdv8 3.6 with 200kw/640nm. This is what I have now with 255,000km, love it.
2009/10: there is a facelift but same tdv8, and I think the new v8s 5.0 sc and na. All with ZF 6 speed.
2010/11: new 4.4tdv8 with ZF 8 speed, v8s keep the ZF 6 speed.

I hope that helps.

[rar110]

Another point is Australia L322s didn't get a diesel particulate filter until the either the 2nd facelift or the 4.4s. Also the Jag 4.4 was also available in the 2005/6 D3.

[Judo]

Thanks for that. For my budget I'm really only looking at the early L322's but will keep my eyes open for other bargains!

I read some threads on the fullfatrr on changing suspension bushes to see what I might be up for and looks relatively straight forward. As I looked around it's clear that site has a ton of info!

Interesting on the DPF.... Will add to list of research items.

[GregMilner]

Another point is Australia L322s didn't get a diesel particulate filter until the either the 2nd facelift or the 4.4s. Also the Jag 4.4 was also available in the 2005/6 D3.

I've got the 2012 TDV8 4.4 and mine doesn't have the DPF apparently - well, the dealer couldn't find one when they put it up on the hoist a couple of years ago:-)

[rar110]

I've got the 2012 TDV8 4.4 and mine doesn't have the DPF apparently - well, the dealer couldn't find one when they put it up on the hoist a couple of years ago:-)

Interesting thanks. I hope you're right. I'm always happy to be corrected with facts like that. UK and here is clearly different. They got a DPF on the 3.6.

[Graeme]

No DPF fitted to my MY12 and Topix shows Euro4 emissions rather than Euro5.

[Homestar]

Suspension bushes aren't difficult, but my mates 20 tonne press was stretched to its limits at times. Overall I don't find these vehicles hard to work on - maintenance items like servicing, brakes, etc are very straight forward. Most engine stuff is reasonably easy - if you ever need to do anything to them, they are a solid engine. A higher level of skill is required for things like timing chains, head R&R, etc, but still doable in the driveway with a good set of tools and the service manual. ;)

A diagnostic tool like the IID or similar is a must if you don't want to be carting it to the dealers - they can throw some interesting faults - most relating to the suspension - usually related to low battery voltage, but some of these won't clear on their own.

Overall, not a difficult vehicle to own once the transmissions been done, but just remember that they are getting older (and cheaper) but some parts are still very expensive - thankfully not the run of the mill stuff, that's all really cheap and easy to get - there are ****loads of these around the world, parts will be easy to come by for many years yet.

[justinc]

Just do it I'm totally obsessed with mine now....😮 a friend of mine has just got a 2003 hse td6 with 140k on the clock and is taking the long way home to tassie from south Australia as we speak☺

Jc

[Road Stone]

Following on from what has been said about FFRR site, another one to visit is Disco3.com.UK (Also Disco4).


The DNA between the L322 and the Discoverys is very similar. I'm currently researching the EAS system and there is very useful info on this site.


They are a great car and as said above, you'll not regret it. Just ensure you do your homework first.


Cheers, Jerry

[Judo]

I'm reading that if the gearbox appears to be in OK condition and has not been rebuilt, you can maybe mitigate future problems by upgrading to a HD TC? How true do you think this is? And how much do you think that would cost if a full rebuild is circa $7k?

I guess secondly if the HD TC is an option, how hard is it to change the TC DIY? (I'm not aware of how an auto fits together - does the TC essentially bolt on the front, or is it integrated with the internals?)

[sheerluck]

Justin, can't help with much of your question, other than the last bit. Think of the torque converter as being the automatic transmission version of a clutch, and it goes where a clutch would.

Probably the same level of difficulty to DIY (in my opinion) as a clutch.

[Homestar]

The TC bolts to the flexplate pretty much the same as any auto. The bolts that hold them to the flexplate are torque to yeild and MUST be replaced if you do this. Unbolt them and the TC will push slightly to the transmission, then drop the whole box.

Be VERY careful - the engagement of the TC to the trans is quite fragile if misaligned or forced in any way - the oil pump is also at risk of damage if the TC is handled roughly removing it and reinstalling it.

[Judo]

Sounds achievable if I really want to put myself through it. (I don't.)

Any opinion on whether it would avoid the need for a full rebuild in the future, or is it a false economy? I'm talking hypothetically if it drove well, trans oil was clean and minimal amount of material on plug.

Just putting things in perspective.

[Homestar]

There's no plug to start with ;). 'Sealed for life' :D

If the trans is still going and is in good condition, I'd do the converter and valve body - this would at least ensure that the new TC didn't chew out over time.

[Judo]

So I've been silent on this as I was in denial. I stopped looking entirely as SWMBO was going to buy a Wrangler instead. HOWEVER, she has now stopped looking and the Rangie is back on the table. :cool:



Can anyone tell me the difference between SE and HSE?

[cripesamighty]

If you go to Car Prices - Car Research - Search Car Prices & Values Online - RedBook.com.au (http://www.redbook.com.au/) simply select the make, model and year of car you want. By opening up separate tabs for each car you can quickly compare specs between them. Begin with the "standard" and "optional" equipment lists for the SE and HSE and then go through the other categories, ie. engine, dimensions, wheels, etc. Hope that helps.

[Judo]

Brilliant, that answers it, thanks. Only now I've compared all the models, I want a Vogue. :D

[Disco Muppet]

Me too, but a 4.2 supercharged one 😎
Girlfriend has agreed 😂

[Toxic_Avenger]

So, it's luxury ways you want to learn?

Here is your foolproof guide:
1) Learn the snooty version of the LR wave (modelled of HRH QE2, of course)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/233.jpg

2) Proceed on your official duties as you see fit

3) Fail to use wave to other land rover owners wherever possible. Especially defender drivers. How primitive.

[rar110]

So, it's luxury ways you want to learn?



Here is your foolproof guide:

1) Learn the snooty version of the LR wave (modelled of HRH QE2, of course)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/233.jpg



2) Proceed on your official duties as you see fit



3) Fail to use wave to other land rover owners wherever possible. Especially defender drivers. How primitive.



Quite the opposite. After driving the 110 for years the Defender wave became almost automatic. I continued after getting the L322. Without fail the response was to stare in confusion or to ignore it.

[rar110]

Me too, but a 4.2 supercharged one [emoji41]

Girlfriend has agreed [emoji23]



Low Km pre TR Examples now come up fairly regularly for under $30k. I keep looking at them. One came up in Brissy no long ago. I was very tempted to go look.

[Judo]

What's TR?

I keep looking at '05-'06 td6 vogues now. Red book puts them at less than $30k.

Do I remember reading, or did I make it up - the GM trans in the '05-'06 was improved over the earlier ones?

[Disco-tastic]

TR is (similar to) the terrain response system thats in the D3/4.

AFAIK the non TR models still have traction control (if a wheel loses traction the brakes hold it so power is diverted to the other side) but you cant tell it what terrain you are in. The TR models use the conputer to adjust the preload in the centre diff (and rear diff if you have a factory elocker) as well as gearbox and throttle programming.

Ive no idea how much difference TR makes offroad.

Cheers

Dan

[Judo]

In typical fashion when I start looking into something.... it inevitably escalates. While the early L322's with high Kms got me looking SWMBO pushed for lower Kms. Thanks SWMBO. Picked up a 2006 Td6 Vogue yesterday. :D 100k on the clock. Trans serviced at 80k, lived in a garage... just beautiful. ;)

We've stopped overnight in Albury on our way back from Sydney. Glorious weather for a drive too. So far it's been a trouble free trip with nothing but smiles to report.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/12/887.jpg

[Narangga]

2006 - a very good year. ;) Enjoy!

[justinc]

Wow looks great! Mines update MY06 (built 05) and just loving it!!! Had 116k on it , already now 132k..😣😣😣 can't stop driving it!! ☺

Jc

[PerthDisco]

My mate had one of these with the BMW Diesel engine 3.0 and it was unbelievably noisy to hear it from the outside. It was low on power and burnt more fuel than the 2.7tdv6 which is silent by comparison

[Homestar]

My mate had one of these with the BMW Diesel engine 3.0 and it was unbelievably noisy to hear it from the outside. It was low on power and burnt more fuel than the 2.7tdv6 which is silent by comparison

He must have had a bad one - the M57 engine is known around the world as a first rate engine and has won international engine of the year on more than one occasion and has been in continuous production for 18 years now. Fuel economy is brilliant - under 10 L/100 pulling a brick shaped 2.5 tonne vehicle around.

Power was modest on the early units (130KW and 390Nm) but far from low and from the mid 2000's it has steadily increased in power and economy, while maintaining bulletproof reliability. They were dropped from the L322 in 2007 after Ford bought Land Rover.

While the TDV6 is a much newer and quieter design, the M57 is silky smooth in its power delivery. I also wouldn't call them unbelievable noisy - the engine fan produces a bit of noise but the engine itself isn't loud by any stretch - it sounds like you're talking about a 4BD1T the way you are going on. :D

He either had a dud - which is very rare, or the info you have is second hand and very far from the actual reality of these engines. I bet anyone here that owns/has owned one will strongly disagree with you.

The early L322's are known for having a dog of a transmission, but the engine has always been regarded as a gem.

[justinc]

I work on and drive d3 and d4 etc etc on a daily basis. There is a reason i bought a td6 l322..... in fact lots of reasons��

Jc

[Judo]

Hey Gav, curious about the fuel economy... The screen was saying 14.4L/100 when we picked it up. Saying about 13.5 after arriving home this afternoon. What's the go with my figures compared to 10L/100? It has been chipped/tuned - is that the answer? Haltech is the chip/mod brand.

My first thought is the trans and whether I should resort to a more conservative tune. I'm not that worried about power. Fuel economy and transmission are a higher priority!

[Homestar]

If yours has been chipped, the computer will never read correctly. You will need to go back to pencil and paper and keep track of KM travelled and litres you put in it. If you were sitting on 110 all the way, you would have been around 10's.

The reason was explained here at some stage, but I have forgotton what the chip does to screw this up, but it does.

[Judo]

Ah huh! That makes sense as there was a few things didn't add up. The Range distance number doesn't match the economy figure at all - it indicates we're on track for circa 1000kms to a tank - so maybe Range distance is still accurate.

So much to learn... Started reading through the owners manual and learning a lot. :)

[Homestar]

Yep, sounds like the distance to empty is working fine - that's the figure you should get when filling up on a highway run. Best I ever saw was when travelling in convoy to Melrose with some slower vehicles - we were travelling at around 80-85 the whole time. I topped up just before Melrose and the distance to empty read 1240KM... :D

Still don't know why one would read correctly and one not, but I do know the chip cocks it up somehow.

[justinc]

My remap has had no effect on the dash readout as far as i can see. The average consumption figure is a little weird to come to terms with when i first got the car but I'm seeing 10.5 on a highway run , and towing 1 to 2.5t for 600km last weekend saw 15.4. Have around 490 to 500nm on tap now which is juuuuust great!

Jc

[Homestar]

That's interesting - I wish I could remember who posted about this - they hada great explanation on what was going on with the chip - it alludes me now... :D

[PerthDisco]

He must have had a bad one - the M57 engine is known around the world as a first rate engine and has won international engine of the year on more than one occasion and has been in continuous production for 18 years now. Fuel economy is brilliant - under 10 L/100 pulling a brick shaped 2.5 tonne vehicle around.


His was a base model about 2003 vintage. He never had a problem and I am not questioning the quality. Inside it was a dream and very quiet. Being my neighbour the joke always was you had to almost to cover your ears when he drove up the street past our house such was the engine noise. We did a 4wd trip out to Steep Point following each other's tracks and ended up with quite a fuel difference when we topped off. He did 120000 before selling with maybe only an air shock problem as far as I can remember.

[BigJon]

. Have around 490 to 500nm on tap now which is juuuuust great!

Jc

How do you cope with such a small amount of torque? :twisted::D:angel:

[CSBrisie]

LOL! Cruel man...! :D:p

[Judo]

How do you cope with such a small amount of torque? :twisted::D:angel:
How much do you have?

[Homestar]

I think the technical term is 'a metric **** tonne'

(I think the TDV8 runs to around 700Nm...)

[rar110]

3.6 is 640 Nm and 200 kW. The closest I've had to a sports car.

[BigJon]

I think the technical term is 'a metric **** tonne'

(I think the TDV8 runs to around 700Nm...)

As RAR110 says, 640 Nm. I haven't had any huge urge to remap it...

[Toxic_Avenger]

I think the technical term is 'a metric **** tonne'

(I think the TDV8 runs to around 700Nm...)

Imperial arse-tonnes are bigger.
Just look at the Americans :twisted:

[justinc]

How do you cope with such a small amount of torque? :twisted::D:angel:

Easy... i just think about how much easier the td6 is to perform basic repairs to like alternator and turbo replacement. .. 😂😂😂😂

Jc

[Blade74]

Snap

[BigJon]

Easy... i just think about how much easier the td6 is to perform basic repairs to like alternator and turbo replacement. .. 😂😂😂😂

Jc

Yeah. No grunt for years on end just to save 10 minutes when something goes wrong. I will stick with grunt. :D:angel:

[justinc]

Yeah. No grunt for years on end just to save 10 minutes when something goes wrong. I will stick with grunt. :D:angel:

Yeah but you love all those hard to do tdv6 and sdv6 jobs so I'm not surprised that you are not bovvered...😅😅😅
Me on the other hand....🛇🛇🛇