Register Series 1

[fourteen8]

Hi. I was just wondering whether anyone has experience getting roadworthy and registering series 1 in victoria. I dont think series 1 has seat belt for a start. Other than usual roadworthy requirement such as brake and rust any other that I need to know. Cheers.

[numpty]

I don't know about Vic, but it can't be much different from anywhere else,so as you say, as long as everything works as it should, then all will be okay.

I've been through the same thing in Qld and NSW without problems.

Seat belts aren't necessary, but if they are fitted, they must work properly.

[gromit]

You can go onto the VicRoads website for the roadworthy requirements, link below.
The mains checks are :- brakes, tyres, steering, suspension, lights, oil leaks, noise, exhaust, windcreen & wipers, plus any other 'safety related items'
Seatbelts are not required (check VSI 21) but if fitted they will be tested and you must wear them.


https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/vehicle-safety/vehicle-standards-information

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/roadworthiness/get-a-certificate-of-roadworthiness

You need to find a tester that regularly tests older vehicles, some of those only dealing with modern vehicles will try to apply unrealistic tests eg. a Series I will not pass the current brake test.
Most roadworthy items are not retrospective (except fitting child seats) so they should test to the standards that applied when the vehicle was built. Some testers will not accept this and others will try to apply their own interpretation.

Best of luck,

Colin

[jerryd]

Quote : eg. a Series I will not pass the current brake test.

Just put my Series 1 through a roadworthy and it passed with flying colours, the tester tested the brakes with his new gadget wired up to the brake pedal. It passed with flying colours :BigThumb:

[Mick_Marsh]

Quote : eg. a Series I will not pass the current brake test.

Just put my Series 1 through a roadworthy and it passed with flying colours, the tester tested the brakes with his new gadget wired up to the brake pedal. It passed with flying colours :BigThumb:
Well done.
My 1970 Mercedes with power assisted disc brakes only just passed.

[JDNSW]

As noted above, there should be no problems with registration, provided everything is in good condition. Likely problems are oil leaks and lost motion in early steering boxes.

Likely issues you may have to argue about, and probably want to agree with, are the fitting of a LH windscreen wiper, which would not have been fitted to most Series 1, and the fitting of turn indicators, which if fitted, are certainly after-market. Possibly also external mirrors on both sides (they were optional, but most had a RH mirror only, and it was a curved mirror on the front mudguard, where it almost always got caught on shrubbery and often tore a hole in the top of the guard!

If you are planning to use it in town a lot, it may be useful to fit a reversing light, hazard lights, and possibly door locks, but none of these are required. I would also fit seat belts if it is being used to any extent, but these will need to be engineered.

John

[fourteen8]

Thanks for the info guys. Still negotiating with the boss.

1. Get series: keep D2 and sell D2 donor
2. Get defender puma: sell D2 and its donor
3. Get nothing: keep D2 and its donor (try not to bring it up in negotiation)

D2 is still in good shape. Its a shame to sell it plus it has a donor unless the auto decide to fail.
Get a defender also I want it badly but the price is a bit ridiculous at the moment plus not sure I can cope with driving manual everyday in a traffic with cranky kids at the back.

Any tester recommendation in vic for older car like LR series?

[fourteen8]

If I go with club permit, is there a max km the car can go in a period of time?

I read on vicroads its still require rwc. How much is the club permit?

[gromit]

If I go with club permit, is there a max km the car can go in a period of time?

I read on vicroads its still require rwc. How much is the club permit?

VIC system is 45 or 90 days usage (no max Kms). You can buy 90 up front or get a 45 day permit and then another later in the year. Careful if crossing into another State, you need to check with them whether the permit is valid.
The system uses a logboook, get caught without it filled in and it's over $700 fine for driving an unregistered vehicle.

45 days costs about $75 ish (I'd have to check when I get home) including the plates when you first register. You need to be a financial member of a Club that is registered for the Club Permit system.

Yes, you need a roadworthy unless the vehicle is pre 1948 when the Club safety officer can sign it off.

Colin

[fourteen8]

To get a club permit, does the car have to have its original engine? Currently it has holden engine in it. Thanks.

[Mick_Marsh]

To get a club permit, does the car have to have its original engine? Currently it has holden engine in it. Thanks.
No.
They may want it on a M plate but I've seen plenty of vehicles with modifications on H plates.

[fourteen8]

No. They may want it on a M plate but I've seen plenty of vehicles with modifications on H plates.

M plate is modification plate and H plate is historic plate right? Is this different to club permit?
How I get M or H plate. Sorry this club permit etc is a new thing for me. Thanks.

[Mick_Marsh]

M plate is modification plate and H plate is historic plate right? Is this different to club permit?
How I get M or H plate. Sorry this club permit etc is a new thing for me. Thanks.
The M plate is still a club permit.
It is really meant for street rods, however, as your vehicle may require a VASS engineering report, your club or Vicroads may require a M plate to be issued.
Don't ask. Barrel on as though you will be issued a H plate but if they do say an M plate, don't be surprised.
For your purposes, they are the same thing, a club permit.

[gromit]

The M plate is still a club permit.
It is really meant for street rods, however, as your vehicle may require a VASS engineering report, your club or Vicroads may require a M plate to be issued.
Don't ask. Barrel on as though you will be issued a H plate but if they do say an M plate, don't be surprised.
For your purposes, they are the same thing, a club permit.

It may depend on the 'Club' you join.
Some are concerned about anything non-original and will not sign it off on a H plate.

Start looking for a Club asap. Most aren't interested in someone joining just to get a Club Permit and then not taking part in meetings, events etc. Check with them before joining that your vehicle will be accepted otherwise look for another club......


Colin

[cactipus]

I'm just about to apply for a RWC for my S1 1958
My car doesn't have belts mirrors or blinkers and the local tester is unsure if it requires them or not. Are there any sympathetic testers around Melbourne that know series one's or at least older cars and the regulations for those cars?

Cheers

Richard

[chazza]

I'm just about to apply for a RWC for my S1 1958
My car doesn't have belts mirrors or blinkers and the local tester is unsure if it requires them or not. Are there any sympathetic testers around Melbourne that know series one's or at least older cars and the regulations for those cars?

Cheers

Richard

Ring Vicroads and ask them; if they say you need them, ask for the regulation numbers etc. to make sure that they are not just making it up.

Look up the ADR's for your year model on the National website and you will see that for 1958, seat-belts and blinkers are not mandatory, I don't know about mirrors. State legislation is in addition to ADR's hence the need to ring Vicroads.

When you know the rules, go back to your tester armed with copies of the regs and relevant names and phone numbers for him to ring, if he doesn't believe you,

Cheers Charlie

[JDNSW]

Ring Vicroads and ask them; if they say you need them, ask for the regulation numbers etc. to make sure that they are not just making it up.

Look up the ADR's for your year model on the National website and you will see that for 1958, seat-belts and blinkers are not mandatory, I don't know about mirrors. State legislation is in addition to ADR's hence the need to ring Vicroads.

When you know the rules, go back to your tester armed with copies of the regs and relevant names and phone numbers for him to ring, if he doesn't believe you,

Cheers Charlie

Unless I am mistaken, ADRs did not exist during S1 production. Equipment will be specified by state regulations, and these will vary from state to state. Hence the advice to talk to Vicroads (or the relevant state authority) and insist on references to the regulations for the specific date. Almost none of the regulations have ever been retrospective (only one I can think of is the requirement for rear reflectors in NSW). However, when non period equipment is fitted, latest rules may apply, for example, seat belts.

For Series 1, blinkers and seat belts were definitely not required, and external mirrors were not then required for cars but were for utes (RH only), so Landrovers will be uncertain.

John

[russellrovers]

I'm just about to apply for a RWC for my S1 1958
My car doesn't have belts mirrors or blinkers and the local tester is unsure if it requires them or not. Are there any sympathetic testers around Melbourne that know series one's or at least older cars and the regulations for those cars?

Cheers

Richardhi a 1958 si came out with a right hand wing mirror at factory jim

[reachjatt]

As per https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/

The First Edition ADRs were distributed for discussion purposes. However, they were not adopted as a legally binding set of standards under either national or state/territory law.
The Second Edition ADRs first came into effect on 1 January 1969.

More on ADR requirements and information on Vehicle standards in Victoria.
see attached PDF

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[mfc]

I'm just about to apply for a RWC for my S1 1958
My car doesn't have belts mirrors or blinkers and the local tester is unsure if it requires them or not. Are there any sympathetic testers around Melbourne that know series one's or at least older cars and the regulations for those cars?

Cheers

Richard
Put blinkers on otherwise ur a moving death trap, seat belts will need to be engineered in Vic and u realy need mirrors to, that is unless ur not driving it.
You could technically get away with one wiper, no blinkers and posibly no mirrors but I wouldn't feel safe in it
Cheers mark

[gromit]

I'm just about to apply for a RWC for my S1 1958
My car doesn't have belts mirrors or blinkers and the local tester is unsure if it requires them or not. Are there any sympathetic testers around Melbourne that know series one's or at least older cars and the regulations for those cars?

Cheers

Richard


Seatbelts are not needed but if fitted must be worn. Check out VSI21 on the VicRoads website.
They will have to be 'engineered' if you want them fitted but if not fitted it shouldn't stop you getting a roadworthy.
Your personal choice, many will tell you that they should be fitted...... Mine doesn't have them.

I'm sure a rear view mirror would have been fitted along with at least one wing mirror. Sensible idea anyway.

Indicators are a good idea in modern traffic. You can either cut holes in the bodywork which was done 'in period' or mount them on home made brackets so no damage is done to the bodywork. They don't have to be self-cancelling at that age.

In the UK years ago I used to drive an Austin Somerset that had trafficators rather than indicators, had someone nearly take me out when I was turning right and he decided to overtake ! Didn't see the orange arm sticking out, or if he did he probably didn't understand that it indicated I was turning.
Fitted indicators that mounted off the bumper mounts after that incident.


Colin

[goingbush]

I used to install motorbike indicators on my series Ones , bumper bolt on the front and regular handlebar clamps on back of rear crossmember.


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[goingbush]

Oh and regards Series brakes, S3 brakes are not that different in configuration and size, I just got my S3 Lightweight registered & it has the original SWB brakes , passed on the testers G-Meter 76% .