Foxwing style canopies

[LandyAndy]

I had to get some petrol for my mulcher on saturday,I spilled petrol all over the container due to having my attention being destroyed by a big cleavage and bigger boobs climbing out to greet me whilst the loverly lady was filling her vehicle.
Anyhow back on track,I put the said container on my morning paper and when I got home left the windows and back door open the get the stink out.
I had a good look at the roof line thinking of roof racks and awnings,the rear tailgate sits quite higher than the roof line.
I see lots of you mount your single side awnings low,for obvious reasons.What happens with foxwing style awnings in this case???
Do they need mounting high so they cover the open rear door???
Andrew

[Tombie]

Andy. Is your camping style "set up and stay still for days?" If so a fox wing is a great awning.

If your a set up, drive around, come back, go again kind of camper consider a long side awning and a short one out the back instead.

Set up and pull down to go for a drive is a PITA on Fox wings and the ilk..

[ScottyD]

Hi Andrew,

I've got a Foxwing mounted on my truck and yes, it does need to be mounted quite high. Even higher if you have a ladder like I do.

Personally we love it. We wouldn't be able to camp without it - excellent shelter from the rain/sun. It does take a little while to setup and pack up but you learn a system pretty quickly. You can also tie off a few of the ropes to the car to save pegging them all down. I normally peg 2/4 ropes when stopping for a while, or 1/4 ropes for quick stop. The sides are great too.

It is definitely a two man setup when windy. It will take a bit of wind, but one good gust and it will fold onto your roof (been there, done that). The point of failure is the brackets at the pivot point, I always carry spares now.

I do take it off when the car is in daily driver guise.

Mounting pic...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/07/992.jpg (http://s1168.photobucket.com/user/Deruniec/media/12377832_10204312552694146_2937701220645213790_o_z psm0mebfz7.jpg.html)

[sctsprin]

My Rapidwing awning sits reasonably low, it could go flush with the top of the pioneer platform if i had the wider version (doh), however since fitting the awning i installed a frontrunner ladder and one of the awning horizontal poles does hit the ladder so the top rear door doesn't fully open, but it's not far off. It's easy to put up by myself unless it's really windy, and only takes maybe three or four minutes to setup or put away

[shanegtr]

My Rapidwing awning sits reasonably low, it could go flush with the top of the pioneer platform if i had the wider version (doh), however since fitting the awning i installed a frontrunner ladder and one of the awning horizontal poles does hit the ladder so the top rear door doesn't fully open, but it's not far off. It's easy to put up by myself unless it's really windy, and only takes maybe three or four minutes to setup or put away
I like your wind deflector on your rack. Any details on it? Does it make much of a difference? Been thinking of doing something similar on mine

[sctsprin]

I like your wind deflector on your rack. Any details on it? Does it make much of a difference? Been thinking of doing something similar on mine

thanks, it's just a prototype, ideally i'd like to make something like the prospeed deflector, but time is short
it does reduce wind noise fairly significantly,

heres some details: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/218960-roof-rack-roof-bars-please-school-me-4.html

[shanegtr]

ideally i'd like to make something like the prospeed deflector
After seeing the prospeed rack it kinda sets the standard for wind deflectors dosent it. I've thought about making one myself, but would probably make it fibreglass.

[sctsprin]

yeah the prospeed is sweet, but it's divorce material ��
fibreglass would be good, otherwise a sheet of aluminium powder coated, but that's going to cost a bit

[AnD3rew]

I have a Foxwing on my D3, no ladder, and when it was originally fitted it was mounted high like Scotty D's picture but I reversed the mountings and now it sits nice and low and it causes no problems the side doors clear easily and the rear door opens easily, it does touch the fabric when it is open but it opens fully and doesn't put unreasonable strain on the fabric.

I love my foxwing, it is easy to take in and off my rhino pioneer platform, it gives great shade and rain protection around the car and over the tailgate area which is great for the beach and great for camping, and it is easy to take up and down.

Highly recommend it.

Only drawback is that of course it has four poles and guys to set up rather than two with a standard awning, not a big deal for me but takes a couple of extra minutes.

[Russrobe]

Watch out for weight on these things Andy. I was dead set on this one until I found out it weighed 24kgs:O

Alu-Cab - Australia (http://www.alu-cab.com.au/270shadow.html)

[LandyAndy]

Watch out for weight on these things Andy. I was dead set on this one until I found out it weighed 24kgs:O

Alu-Cab - Australia (http://www.alu-cab.com.au/270shadow.html)

They do look flash.
Andrew

[Russrobe]

They do look flash.
Andrew
Not only that they hold their own weight without wind and have a massive coverage! If you don't need to koad up your roof.. Perfect

[Disco-tastic]

Watch out for weight on these things Andy. I was dead set on this one until I found out it weighed 24kgs:O

Alu-Cab - Australia (http://www.alu-cab.com.au/270shadow.html)

A foxwing is 18.5kg...

I suppose you don't have a lot of weight to play with up there.

[Tombie]

Not only that they hold their own weight without wind and have a massive coverage! If you don't need to koad up your roof.. Perfect



Would be trashed down here..... Too much wind.

[RobA]

Check out the DRIFTA website Luke has done one himself and it looks to be a better option than the Rhino version quite frankly like what he has done

? AWNINGS AND WINGS, AUSTRALIAN MADE ? Drifta Camping & 4WD (http://www.drifta.com.au/awnings-and-wings-australian-made/)

Rob

[LandyAndy]

Would be trashed down here..... Too much wind.

Lay off the baked beans man.
Andrew

[BMKal]

Check out the DRIFTA website Luke has done one himself and it looks to be a better option than the Rhino version quite frankly like what he has done

? AWNINGS AND WINGS, AUSTRALIAN MADE ? Drifta Camping & 4WD (http://www.drifta.com.au/awnings-and-wings-australian-made/)

Rob

They're not made by Luke - he only sells them. The Rapid Wing is made in Australia by Supapeg. A very good awning. There were some great photos of one of them mounted on a D4 posted by Baz (Redback) some time ago, but the pics appear to be unavailable to view now.

[sctsprin]

The Rapid wing is the one i have as per the photos on the first page

[eddomak]

They're not made by Luke - he only sells them. The Rapid Wing is made in Australia by Supapeg. A very good awning. There were some great photos of one of them mounted on a D4 posted by Baz (Redback) some time ago, but the pics appear to be unavailable to view now.

From what I can tell the one on the DRIFTA website and in the DRIFTA videos seems to be different to the one on the Supapeg website (and in the Supapeg videos) in that the vertical poles are unclipped from the horizontals and hinge down. This means you can't lose the poles or forget to pack them, and that they are always ready for deploymment.

[sctsprin]

So I spoke with Supapeg the manufacturers for Drifta and who also sell the rapid wing themselves, which is the one i have, they have a new model called the "Rapidwing Deluxe" which is what Drifta show on their website. This model has the hinged poles with a clip that lets you fold down the legs rather than having to attach them yourself. It's possible to upgrade an existing system with some caveats; you have to shorten the horizontal supports and vertical poles, and cut out a little piece of canvas on the pockets around the horizontal supports so that the C clip will hold the folding pole in place properly when folded up, it's also a much tighter fit in the supplied awning bag. They're working up a price for the upgrade now.

[Bytemrk]

Andy. Is your camping style "set up and stay still for days?" If so a fox wing is a great awning.

If your a set up, drive around, come back, go again kind of camper consider a long side awning and a short one out the back instead.

Set up and pull down to go for a drive is a PITA on Fox wings and the ilk..


Andy I reckon Mike's right - start by thinking about how you are likely to use it.

I've got a Foxwing and when I use it it's great..... I chose it because I found it being sold stupid cheap, but if I had a straight awning, I'd probably use it more often.

Definitely a point worth considering.

[LandyAndy]

Andy I reckon Mike's right - start by thinking about how you are likely to use it.

I've got a Foxwing and when I use it it's great..... I chose it because I found it being sold stupid cheap, but if I had a straight awning, I'd probably use it more often.

Definitely a point worth considering.

After everyones feedback,I think I will look at a standard awning with the option of filling the outside with an extra canvas.
I want a slimline rack,cant see the a Foxwing style awning working in with the rear door.
Main use would be some cover and a place to lay out a swag on beach fishing trips.
Andrew

[Bytemrk]

They do work OK with the rear door Andy... and I've got a platform type roof rack..

I could take some photos for you tomorrow if you want....

[AnD3rew]

They do work OK with the rear door Andy... and I've got a platform type roof rack..

I could take some photos for you tomorrow if you want....

Yes I agree, I have the pioneer platform with short legs, sits very flat and low to the roof, and I reversed the Foxwing brackets so that it sits down below the rack not above it, and it still works with the rear door, no hassles at all. Works brilliantly for solo camping as you I have cover for your swag at the side and for the rear where you do your food prep etc and a spot to set up your chair at the back under cover.

[BMKal]

After everyones feedback,I think I will look at a standard awning with the option of filling the outside with an extra canvas.
I want a slimline rack,cant see the a Foxwing style awning working in with the rear door.
Main use would be some cover and a place to lay out a swag on beach fishing trips.
Andrew

Andrew - if you are going to go that way, make sure that you buy one which has a length of sail track on the outside edge of the awning, and another on the inside (directly under the awning inside the storage bag). Not all of them do. ;)

I have an Ironman awning fitted on mine which has both - but I also have a Black Widow awning (which is a much better awning - better brackets and much better material than the Ironman) that was on the D2 which only has the outside track.

With both tracks on the awning, you can buy an "awning room" which uses the two tracks to attach under the awning (I have the Ironman "awning room"). They are very handy for a quick overnight stop - only take a few minutes to attach.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/07/811.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/pbb56fyiv/)

You can also buy an "awning extension" from Rays Outdoors or BCF which attaches to the outside of your awning. This gives you a "wall" to fill the outside as you have suggested. Or, if you carry a couple of extra tent poles with you, you can use this "wall" as an awning extension to give you double the size awning. I have modified mine so that I can either use this "awning extension" on its own, or I can attach both the "awning room" and the awning extension at the same time to give me a tent or room under the original awning, plus another full size awning outside the tent. The two extra tent poles that I use for this are the tent pole / LED lights that I bought a while back from Drifta - it all works very well. These photos were of it set up at Eucla on the way across to SA recently.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/07/812.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/awzfwpzmf/)

[Russrobe]

After everyones feedback,I think I will look at a standard awning with the option of filling the outside with an extra canvas.
I want a slimline rack,cant see the a Foxwing style awning working in with the rear door.
Main use would be some cover and a place to lay out a swag on beach fishing trips.
Andrew
That's basically the setup our Jet Tent has Andy. Highly recommended the dual use setup with the extra walls too. We add walls so the dog has some shelter and leave them off if it's just the two of us. Same same but different.

[LRD414]

Totally agree with Brian about the sail track and flexibility with walls and extensions. We have the same setup with our SupaPeg awning and they sell the room and walls and even a mesh only option. But you could even diy some of these things if the Mrs is handy with the sewing machine.

We have some canvas pockets with sail track edge that we fit LEDs into. So there's lots of ways to use sail track.

I intend to get a second rear-only awning if I think we need more than the 2x2.5 side awning but it's been plenty so far. And I'm conscious of losing roof rack capacity to a big awning.

Cheers,
Scott

[LRD414]

And another thought. We have one of these shelters for over the tailgate. Works pretty well if set up at the beach for awhile. One side is up in the photo.

Scott
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/07/787.jpg

[LandyAndy]

Scott that setup would be ideal for overnite beach fishing sessions.
Thanks
Andrew

[Convinceme]

Hey Andy

Adding something else into the mix, this is the setup I have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYBetv_PtoA

steve

[eddomak]

Hey Andy
Adding something else into the mix, this is the setup I have.
steve

Which awning is that? Is that the Bundu Half Wing (http://bundutec.com.au/awnings/bundu-half-wing/)?

[Convinceme]

Which awning is that? Is that the Bundu Half Wing (http://bundutec.com.au/awnings/bundu-half-wing/)?

Not that one, although does look good.

Roof Top Tents and Side Awnings for vehicles - Bat 270 Eezi Awn Awning (http://www.4x4awnings.com.au/bat-270-eezi-awn-awning/)

[Lukeis]

I just bought an awning for $89 from '4wd super centre', I've never owned an awning previously and very conscious that cheap chinese stuff may not last the distance but for the price it may suits an occasional user.

I switched the brackets to sit it low and bought an attachment wall for $35 extra so all in all a very cheap solution.. now i cross my fingers.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=111816&stc=1&d=1469441249

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=111817&stc=1&d=1469441249

[eddomak]

I just bought an awning for $89 from '4wd super centre'

Thanks for sharing that (especially the photos) - I too had been looking at the 4WD Super Centre awnings, but hadn't seen it for such a low price. The lowest I have seen is $99 + $20 p&p (2M x 2.5M).

I normally go for the surefire quality things, but the number of times I would use an awning would probably never justify even $250 spent on one. I'd be genuinely interested in seeing how well it holds up over time and reckon it would be the same as the others.

[Tombie]

Lukeis... May I suggest you be VERY careful with how that awning is mounted.

On corrugations I can guarantee that it's going to bounce against your roof with the alloy rail...

And the ensuing damage will be expensive..

You'll need to make up some braced mounts to prevent the bounce.

[LandyAndy]

Lukeis... May I suggest you be VERY careful with how that awning is mounted.

On corrugations I can guarantee that it's going to bounce against your roof with the alloy rail...

And the ensuing damage will be expensive..

You'll need to make up some braced mounts to prevent the bounce.

Good point Mr BFG.I looked at the mounts and thought they looked a little limp.Not seen enough mounts to offer advice.
Andrew

[Lukeis]

Thanks guys, appreciate the advice.

I think the alloy is actually a lot further from the roof than it looks and the bracket is very solid but I'm definitely going to give it another thorough inspection next time I fit it to the car (will only be on my car when I need it) to be sure as I definitely don't want any damage.

Will report back if it's an issue. Those aren't the standard brackets because they weren't long enough to get it past the plastic roof rack trim when facing down so I made cut new ones from the hardware.

Eddo - last week they were on sale even cheaper (4th bday sale or something). Walls are still cheap so may get a second now.

[LandyAndy]

See if you can get a second section of angle bracket and bolt it to the lower 2 mount bolts and the empty hole on the top of the existing bracket,it will help.
Some sort of triangle in there would even be stronger.
Andrew

[Lukeis]

I finally got a chance to put the awning on and check the mounts..

You were right that the aluminium bar is very close to the car roof however if driving on a corrugated road and the bracket bends the bolts from the bracket will hit the roof rack before the bar hits the roof.

The only thing i need to do is add some rubber to the bolt ends to protect the rack in this instance but appreciate the heads up as they would potentially have rubbed through over time.

All in all pretty happy with my $89 purchase, it was a fairly windy weekend here and the awning was up to the challenge!

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=112713&stc=1&d=1471253226
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=112714&stc=1&d=1471253609

[g5k]

Hey @Lukeis - nice shade :)

Bit off topic, only new to LR have just bought a D4, do you mind me asking what type of wheels you're running. I've read about the Compomotives but they look like a different 18?

I was reading a lot a few threads on another LR forum and seems like a lot of guys in the US are running a 1.5" spacer and then can use pretty much any 18 but haven't read anyone doing that in Australia.

[Lukeis]

That is the stock 18" wheel which came on my car, I have a 2011 model which could fit 18's. They are just painted black.

I'm not sure what year they changed, maybe 2013? There's heaps of info on wheels if you do some hunting as I really don't know much on the topic. I'm fairly sure ive read the compomotive rims are $500each so adding in tyres and your dropping a fair bit of cash so I can understand why people might use spacers then pick up a set of mine on gumtree

[Disco-tastic]

Just keep in mind wheel spacers are illegal in Oz...

Cheers

Dan