300kw D4 Flash Tune?

[Babs]

Guys have you seen this?

What is your thoughts on this?

Sounds Amazing!

http://youtu.be/LW_Z3zC3KYc

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[Tombie]

Suggest you speak to Pete Bell [emoji6]

You'll likely find several phrases containing the words reliably And longevity.

[Babs]

Suggest you speak to Pete Bell [emoji6] You'll likely find several phrases containing the words reliably And longevity.

Does Pete Bell do a BAS for the D4?
I looked on his website and didn't come up with anything.

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[Tombie]

3.0 TriCores haven't been broken yet so all
Programming of them is done internally using Pogopins and BDM reads.

It even involves a tiny amount of soldering to the main ECU board...

It is an obvious modification - easily detected by marking of the ECU casing.

At this stage they haven't cracked the Protection to enable OBDII access and the encryption is unlikely to be broken anytime soon.

Suggest not going to radical on the higher spec 3.0 - BAS know the limits for reliable, consistent power and performance.

[Babs]

3.0 TriCores haven't been broken yet so all Programming of them is done internally using Pogopins and BDM reads. It even involves a tiny amount of soldering to the main ECU board... It is an obvious modification - easily detected by marking of the ECU casing. At this stage they haven't cracked the Protection to enable OBDII access and the encryption is unlikely to be broken anytime soon. Suggest not going to radical on the higher spec 3.0 - BAS know the limits for reliable, consistent power and performance.

Sound advice again Tombie.

I'm sure the 183kw will be enough for now but it's an addiction you always search for more power, it's never enough :D

Hopefully Bell Auto will come up with a program, it would be nice to have full diagnostics like the Defender tune I had, using the phone App.

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[Tombie]

You can still do full diagnostics with IID tools. Just not full EEPROM writes.

[Babs]

You can still do full diagnostics with IID tools. Just not full EEPROM writes.

Tombie can faults be cleared if ever in limp mode?

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[Hugh Jars]

I'm a bit sceptical of some of Roo Systems' claims in the video........

[Tombie]

Tombie can faults be cleared if ever in limp mode?

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Yes. Sure can - and If/when they crack the 3.0 the GAP tool can do remap upgrades.

[gghaggis]

The tri-codes have actually been cracked - around 4 months ago. I'm getting a writer in November to do non-invasive tunings here in WA.

Cheers,

Gordon

[apom]

My friend had his Amarok done with these guys, all sorts of issues. They could never get it right so he got them to undo it and he got his money back

[Stuart02]

The tri-codes have actually been cracked - around 4 months ago. I'm getting a writer in November to do non-invasive tunings here in WA.

Cheers,

Gordon

That's pretty interesting news! Why has it not broken cover?

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[Meken]

The tri-codes have actually been cracked - around 4 months ago. I'm getting a writer in November to do non-invasive tunings here in WA.



Cheers,



Gordon


How many ponies will you unleash Gordon ? Can we crack the 1000nm ?

[Tombie]

The tri-codes have actually been cracked - around 4 months ago. I'm getting a writer in November to do non-invasive tunings here in WA.



Cheers,



Gordon



I downloaded the data for the 3.0 and was informed by AlienTech that it's still a KessV2 job...

Same reason the 2.2 needs a new ECU that's been unlocked...

Some can't be accessed yet.

But if you've got something then that's excellent! Basil will be keen!

[Tombie]

How many ponies will you unleash Gordon ? Can we crack the 1000nm ?



Not if you want the transmission to hold!
Or your axles and CVs to survive!

[Meken]

Not if you want the transmission to hold!
Or your axles and CVs to survive!


What transmission does the R50 Touareg have?

[Tombie]

What transmission does the R50 Touareg have?



6 speed ZF.. And it only puts 850nm through it.

[Meken]

Audi Q7 has a 1000nm version with an 8 speed - assuming it's a zf 8 speed also

[Tombie]

Audi Q7 has a 1000nm version with an 8 speed - assuming it's a zf 8 speed also



Would be a lot different internally.

If you can find the spec code you can look up the limits.

[Meken]

Aisin tr80sd.....
Edit - no that's no right I just found more details. I
The V12 (1000nm) has a 6speed zf 6hp tiptronic box

[gghaggis]

Safe max limit on the tx is 820 Nm. Probably best to keep under 800.

Cheers

Gordon

[gghaggis]

I downloaded the data for the 3.0 and was informed by AlienTech that it's still a KessV2 job...

Same reason the 2.2 needs a new ECU that's been unlocked...

Some can't be accessed yet.

But if you've got something then that's excellent! Basil will be keen!

K Suite 2.24 covers Bosch EDC17CP55 over OBDII.

Cheers

Gordon

[Meken]

Safe max limit on the tx is 820 Nm. Probably best to keep under 800.

Cheers

Gordon


"Safe" cmon live a little...

[Tombie]

"Safe" cmon live a little...



Priced the transmission? You may live a little bit you won't be eating [emoji6][emoji12]

[laughto]

Priced the transmission? You may live a little bit you won't be eating [emoji6][emoji12]

I like your thinking!

[Meccles]

Our 3.0 SDV6 is in right now at Roo systems. Getting exhaust with ceramic coating, LLAMs and ECU. Just out of warranty so don't care what LR think. They reckon 240 kW 700 nm will be about the numbers. CBriise got his 322 Vogue (4.4 V8) done by them and was well happy. And they are Graemes recommended installer for LLAMs in/near Brisbane. Will post results on 320rrs section when done:D

[gghaggis]

240 / 700 to 270 / 800 is probably ok - I apparently run at that upper end.

But remember that all these figures are guesstimates, because any dyno figure is measuring wheel output. They then assume a set of parasitic losses to extrapolate to the crank figures, so that you have a "nice" comparison to the factory figures. Hence the wide range of claimed outputs

Cheers

Gordon

[rar110]

240 / 700 to 270 / 800 is probably ok - I apparently run at that upper end. But remember that all these figures are guesstimates, because any dyno figure is measuring wheel output. They then assume a set of parasitic losses to extrapolate to the crank figures, so that you have a "nice" comparison to the factory figures. Hence the wide range of claimed outputs Cheers Gordon

Wow. I find 200/640 quite satisfying. 😈

[LandyAndy]

240 / 700 to 270 / 800 is probably ok - I apparently run at that upper end.

But remember that all these figures are guesstimates, because any dyno figure is measuring wheel output. They then assume a set of parasitic losses to extrapolate to the crank figures, so that you have a "nice" comparison to the factory figures. Hence the wide range of claimed outputs

Cheers

Gordon

I like what you are saying Gordon:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Are you doing the W4 weekend(stupid question).
Ive joined and paid,plan to be there,looking forward to a chat.
Andrew

[RHS58]

Wow. I find 200/640 quite satisfying. 😈

My thoughts are similar with the SDV6. 180/600 IIRC.
Though I'm sure if I drove a "tuned" version, I'd want more out of mine.

Ron

[rar110]

My thoughts are similar with the SDV6. 180/600 IIRC. Though I'm sure if I drove a "tuned" version, I'd want more out of mine. Ron

Very true.

[Babs]

Ha ha ha 😀 I haven't even got mine and I already want more power, it's a disease I'm sick :p

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[LandyAndy]

Ha ha ha 😀 I haven't even got mine and I already want more power, it's a disease I'm sick :p

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GREED.
Im very happy with my 3.0TDV6.At least whilst its under warranty:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:
Andrew

[Meccles]

My trouble is... Owned two TDV8 sports before the SDV6 and Guess what, in comparison, more cubic inches and more horsepower plus better exhaust note was better😀 Is SDV6 adequate blah blah blah yes. But does it put that huge grin on my face.. Ahh no. So, maybe this will help. And, for those that ask, the dynamic stability control sway bar does do a better job than " dumb" traditional bars but at a cost of increased complexity/reliability

[Tombie]

Those who want to race around in 2.7t of vehicle need to wake up to themselves...

Get a sports car and a track day membership.

[DI5CO]

I think your missing the point there.
I know I love the power of the SDV6 and not having driven the V8, I am happy. If someone is used to a certain power and note then it can be hard to go back. I nearly bought an SSV Commodore because of the power and noise and was going to keep the D2 as my camping car but couldn't resist a D4.
Just because I want power in my 2.7t car doesn't mean I want to go Mach 2 around corners.
If you've ever driven a V10 R50 Touareg you would understand. I certainly don't need to wake up to myself!
There's nothing more addictive (in a car lol) than that sort of power. [emoji3]
Dave

[rangieman]

Those who want to race around in 2.7t of vehicle need to wake up to themselves...

Get a sports car and a track day membership.

You must have mellowed a tad :angel:
Do i not recall a certain LR 4wd years ago in a mag artical that was highly modified with a pic of it smoking the wheels big time :burnrubber::p
Yes we all grow up at some stage of our life mainly due to the cost of repairs:eek:
It`s no different to chipping any other brand . Some are never happy with standard and want a little or a lot more .
I think the one`s who want a lot will never be happy and till they have melted their engine`s and then it will be blamed on the tuner for exceeding the safe limits.
If some want more good on them :cool: Im in the little more than standard camp:angel:

[Meccles]

It has nothing to do with racing around. But, when overtaking a B double the TDV8 was faster in 80-120 km range than my current SDV6. Am not looking for max performance out of it, just a bit more. I will be quite happy with that, and a better exhaust note.

[Meccles]

Well got the car back. Very happy exhaust has nice growl and car is noticeably quicker I reckon on par with the TDV8. There is more exhaust noise but I don't find it unpleasant. Roo systems took a video of this install which they will be posting in 2/3 weeks
.111161

[Greatsouthernland]

Well got the car back. Very happy exhaust has nice growl and car is noticeably quicker I reckon on par with the TDV8. There is more exhaust noise but I don't find it unpleasant. Roo systems took a video of this install which they will be posting in 2/3 weeks
.111161

:o OMG! that's 1000 - 1400 Nm... Maybe I'm doing it wrong? Wish they'd graph in Kw and Nm.

Very exciting. Expensive much?

Cheers.

[sheerluck]

:o OMG! that's 1000 - 1400 Nm... Maybe I'm doing it wrong? Wish they'd graph in Kw and Nm.

Very exciting. Expensive much?

Cheers.

No, the torque is peaking at about 575 ft lbs, which is about 780Nm.

[Babs]

Mmmmm

[sheerluck]

I didn't think it was showing the torque curve just the HP?

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It is, there are two red lines and two green lines. I'm reading it as being the two green lines are pre-remap, and the two red lines are post remap. One line for power curve, one for torque.

So the lower of the two red lines is the post remap torque curve, to be read against the right hand axis.

[Babs]

It looks like it's about 530flb which is 718.5nm

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[Meccles]

No you got your numbers wrong. It is about 710nm and works out at about 220kw at flywheel which equates nicely with current model RRS SDV6. A nice little increase SWMBO likes it[emoji106] cost was a bit more than their standard quote for a D3/4 as my exhaust had to be modified from D3/4 plus I went ceramic coating.

[Meccles]

[emoji3] I was replying to 1000nm post[emoji3] but yes two green are pre map two red post map.

[Meken]

Ballpark $$ ? You should feel That increase in the middle of your back

[Meccles]

Ballpark is $1450 for ECU and same again for their standard 409 S/S exhaust.

[Stuart02]

Is the trip computer giving you any hints on likely economy?
Are you noticing any difference in gear changes? I guess they're somewhat independent.

[Meccles]

Computer is showing an improvement in fuel economy by about 0.2 L/100ks so is better with more power. Re gear change while I don't think they have changed you can really hear them now. The engine note now means you can very clearly hear every change. I don't mind it it sounds less " anetheatised " than factory where aim was least NVH with minimum loss of power. But does it go better? Hell yeah:)

[Tombie]

I suggest your next purchase be an EGT gauge...

Just to keep an eye on temps...

And shorten the service intervals...

[Meccles]

Good advice. I always service it way before schedule but EGT was on my (short) list. And won't be hammering it on hot days:)

[Berger]

Hey Meccles, how is your Disco going since the tune? Have you had any issues?
I just bought a MY16.5 TDV6 and want to do a tune and exhaust I'm in the ACT though so it would be with a Roo Systems agent which I'm a bit worried about as I know nothing about the agent good or bad.
Is your exhaust much louder at 120kmh? One of my favorite things about the car is refinement at speed. They do however have a nice throaty note standard I think.
I like everyone with half a brain know they're not race cars but more power and torque is always better and they are definitely capable of handling more power safely.
Did you end up installing a catch can and or an egr blank?
Hope you're enjoying your new beast.

Cheers

[Meccles]

It's going really but if you like your refinement don't fit the exhaust. It can drone slightly at certain speeds. It has gotten better now it has carboned up a bit but is noticeably louder at certain speeds. Fuel economy very slightly better but definitely more get up and go.

[Berger]

Ahh that's a bit of a bummer, old mate told me that the only extra noise I'd notice would be turbo whistle. They said they would fit a stainless Genie exhaust.

[Tombie]

Laugh at how much people are paying for exhaust. $450 and mine was done, perfectly.
No need to replace the rear half it's already well over sized for the 3.0 at full song.

And it's Stainless - so just modify the front section...

[Aaron40]

Hi Tombie, what did you mod to the front of the exhaust, Cat removal or high flow cats ? or is there restrictions below the turbo or around flex joints?

[Tombie]

Hi Tombie, what did you mod to the front of the exhaust, Cat removal or high flow cats ? or is there restrictions below the turbo or around flex joints?



From turbo....
Larger dump
Cat somehow fell off and couldn't be located [emoji48]
3" straight box
Y piece to join to existing rear pipework

[Babs]

Bump

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[Berger]

Hey Tombie, how is you Disco noise wise with the modified exhaust?

[Tombie]

Growls off idle, silent at cruise.