300tdi Turbo

[sniperator]

Does anybody know how much a turbo rebuild or service is going to set me back?

The oil seals have gone and its leaking oil into the air induction, i got my timing belt changed last week so my funds are a bit low, as usual being a LR owner.

[weeds]

I know nothing about rebuilding a turbo however i see you run olympic steeltrecks, you don't see too many guys running them, i run BGF AT's however i have two olympic steeltrecks as spares. I few people commented on them wehen i was doing the simpson crossing. I yet to use them.

[disconut]

Give DTS a call in your area.

Trev.

[sjd70]

Hi,

Sorry to hear the turbo is playing up! Just interested in how many Km's the turbo/truck has done?

Mine has almost 250K and am hoping for a least a 100K more without too many problems.

Cheers

Sean

[sniperator]

it has done 200k which is usual turbo and injector conditioning time i think

[sniperator]

Originally posted by disconut
Give DTS a call in your area.

Trev.

Why DTS?

[disconut]

They are Turbo specialists. No other reason.

Trev.

[LRHybrid100]

heard some good things about this mob

http://www.gcg.com.au/contact_us.htm

or

http://www.turboglide.com.au/

both are in the Sydney region

HTH

LRH

[Ace]

Originally posted by sniperator
it has done 200k which is usual turbo and injector conditioning time i think

First of all, sorry Simon, i forgot to get back to you after doing my timing belt.

I have been told injectors need doing at around 200000k, but not turbos, they should last longer than this.

Second, i have seen a new turbo being sold by someone in the LROC magazines, i think it was around the $2000 mark, they are a fare bit more than this new from a parts dealer. I am not sure about the rebuild costs to have bearings etc done, when you find out i would be interested.

[british4wd]

It is most probably not the turbo oil seals that are leaking. If the seals were leaking then there would be massive amounts of oil in the intake system and you would be using heaps of oil.
There is always some oil in the intake system, it gets there from the engine breather, which fits into the rocker cover. If the breather is faulty it will let more oil vapour into the intake where it condeneses and builds up.

Have seen the head gasket blow between the cylinder and cam follower hole which has dumped huge amount of oil into the intake system, but this is accompanied by large power loss

Alan Howard

[sniperator]

I will check engine breather soon.

I had a look at the turbo and it seems to be not as bad as i thought and there was only a little oil in intercooler which leads to the breather.

British and european motor works just changed my timing belt and done a great job at a great price however a oil seal has not seated properly but he is going to fix it up. Just wanted to recomend them.


The steeltreks are a great tyre however i dont think i will get them again as they are a little too noisy expecially now when they are low on life.

[sniperator]

PS: two tyres are no good as i thought you need 4 tyres of the exact same rolling dia ona permanent 4wd. for everday use anyway.

[DiscoTDI]

Originally posted by Ace+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ace)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-sniperator
it has done 200k which is usual turbo and injector conditioning time i think

First of all, sorry Simon, i forgot to get back to you after doing my timing belt.

I have been told injectors need doing at around 200000k, but not turbos, they should last longer than this.

Second, i have seen a new turbo being sold by someone in the LROC magazines, i think it was around the $2000 mark, they are a fare bit more than this new from a parts dealer. I am not sure about the rebuild costs to have bearings etc done, when you find out i would be interested.[/b][/quote]

Ace, use fuel doctor in your fuel. When I traded my 300tdi in it had 280000km on the clock on the original injectors and did not blow smoke (Unless towing under load), still got 10kpl and still had heaps of power(for a Tdi).

[weeds]

good point about all four tyres being the same diameter, i assumed olympic steeltrek's 7.50 x 16 had the same rolling diameter as the 235/85/16 bfg at's that i have fitted and have done all the rolling, have not had a flat yet. just did a quick measure 'in the dark', the bgf's are a bit over 31inch and the steeltrek's are a bit under therefore i should have any problems considering on most vehicles the spare normally has more tread on it. i'm guessing the running gear can account for the differance in tyres with full tread and ones that are at the end of there life??? I have never rotated the spare, always left them as new, after the flat is repaired i put it back on the car and remove the spare.

[LRHybrid100]

Originally posted by sniperator
British and european motor works just changed my timing belt and done a great job at a great price however a oil seal has not seated properly but he is going to fix it up. Just wanted to recomend them.



Yeah Mark and Mick are top blokes and good mechanics

http://www.bemw.com.au/

[jase]

I can get (sell) you a brand new new TGV (variable nozzle) turbo, exh manifold and gaskets to suit for $2300 style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
makes full boost at 1400 RPM 8) (compared to tdi turbo 2??? RPM)
and with variable nozzle keeps producing boost right up to redline 8)
Jase
Taking orders now for next shipment of engines approx x-mas delivery
who wants to buy themself an x-mas presant ??

[Ace]

Originally posted by DiscoTDI+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoTDI)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Ace+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ace)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-sniperator@
it has done 200k which is usual turbo and injector conditioning time i think

First of all, sorry Simon, i forgot to get back to you after doing my timing belt.

I have been told injectors need doing at around 200000k, but not turbos, they should last longer than this.

Second, i have seen a new turbo being sold by someone in the LROC magazines, i think it was around the $2000 mark, they are a fare bit more than this new from a parts dealer. I am not sure about the rebuild costs to have bearings etc done, when you find out i would be interested.[/b]

Ace, use fuel doctor in your fuel. When I traded my 300tdi in it had 280000km on the clock on the original injectors and did not blow smoke (Unless towing under load), still got 10kpl and still had heaps of power(for a Tdi).[/b][/quote]

Thanks Disco, i will give it a go when the Chemtech diesel additive i use runs out.



<!--QuoteBegin-Sniperator
PS: two tyres are no good as i thought you need 4 tyres of the exact same rolling dia ona permanent 4wd. for everday use anyway.[/quote]

Thats right, tyres of the same type shouldnt be a problem if the back ones are worn more than the front for example, but make sure the tyres on the same diff (i.e the front or rear) are worn the same. But keep the tyres the same type and make sure the tyres had the same rolling diameter when new. Matt

[disconut]

Originally posted by jase
I can get (sell) you a brand new new TGV (variable nozzle) turbo, exh manifold and gaskets to suit for $2300 style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
makes full boost at 1400 RPM 8) (compared to tdi turbo 2??? RPM)
and with variable nozzle keeps producing boost right up to redline 8)
Jase
Taking orders now for next shipment of engines approx x-mas delivery
who wants to buy themself an x-mas presant ??

Will they fit a TD5? Full boost at 1400 rpm would be great. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Trev.

[sniperator]

Originally posted by jase
I can get (sell) you a brand new new TGV (variable nozzle) turbo, exh manifold and gaskets to suit for $2300 style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
makes full boost at 1400 RPM 8) (compared to tdi turbo 2??? RPM)
and with variable nozzle keeps producing boost right up to redline 8)
Jase
Taking orders now for next shipment of engines approx x-mas delivery
who wants to buy themself an x-mas presant ??

Sounds great but dont think i will have that much cash buy then. Will start saving though.

[cookiesa]

Just wondering how you went with this.... starting to get suss on my either breather or oil seals?

[rick130]

usually it's coming from the cyclone breather feeding fumes back into the induction tract upstream of the turbo. Give it a wash out and check it.
I'm guessing if the turbo seals let go the engine would almost run away on the extra oil.

[Blknight.aus]

usually it's coming from the cyclone breather feeding fumes back into the induction tract upstream of the turbo. Give it a wash out and check it.
I'm guessing if the turbo seals let go the engine would almost run away on the extra oil.

delete Amost....

get it hot and working hard and its gunna happen, its just how long it goes before murphy pays attention before it happens.

[cookiesa]

Thanks guys... will try cleaning it all out and see how we go

report back soon

[Ralph]

found this recently
http://www.roverparts.com.au/turbo_charger___intercooler__hoses?b=1

if you still need a turbo.

I had mine done at 400k because the mechanic told me the turbo had too much end play (ie the blades were about to hit the housing). I put in a second hand one that came recommended by a LR mechanic (known history) and it lasted only 50km before it completely collapsed. Had to get another (reco'd one) - cost $600 + $600 more to have it put in - and it is all going fine now (except the wallet).

[Tank]

found this recently
http://www.roverparts.com.au/turbo_charger___intercooler__hoses?b=1

if you still need a turbo.

I had mine done at 400k because the mechanic told me the turbo had too much end play (ie the blades were about to hit the housing). I put in a second hand one that came recommended by a LR mechanic (known history) and it lasted only 50km before it completely collapsed. Had to get another (reco'd one) - cost $600 + $600 more to have it put in - and it is all going fine now (except the wallet).
$600 to remove and replace a turbo, @ $50/hour that's 12 hours labour, I would be asking your mechanic to justify 12 hours for that job, seems excessive to me, Regards Frank.

[BigJon]

@ $50/hour .

Who charges only $50 per hour???

[p38arover]

$600 to remove and replace a turbo, @ $50/hour that's 12 hours labour, I would be asking your mechanic to justify 12 hours for that job, seems excessive to me, Regards Frank.

I just paid $100 per hour at Davis Performance Landys for work on my new engine.

Ron

[slipedisk]

Funny mine did the same this week. Took it to L/R dealer $1300 to fit a second hand unit, after I found out I can have the pick from a Rover wreaker for $600, then got in contact with Adelaide Turbo Specialist for fully reco mine between $550-650.
Cheers

[cookiesa]

Not Blackforest I hope........ We bought ours there......... NEVER again will I step foot on that yard (same DP owns Prestige), even to let me kids relieve themselves

[Blknight.aus]

Who charges only $50 per hour???


I just paid $100 per hour at Davis Performance Landys for work on my new engine.

Ron

Holy crud.


NEw thread coming up

[Dunnie]

TurboTech here in Perth (great place for excellent service) rebuilt mine about 2 years ago. The guys said that mine was just about as bad as these turbos get and that it would have been half the amount if I had caught the problem earlier. So, 2 years ago, the ultimate rebuild of a 300Tdi Garrett was $600.

[Wortho]

306,000k's , original injectors and turbo all going great (touchwood)

[Tank]

Who charges only $50 per hour???
BigJon, I used to, but I'm retired now, if they are charging $100/hour now, I might get back into it, anyway at $100/hour it shouldn't take 6 hours to remove and replace a turbo, Regards Frank.

[cookiesa]

Report back, smoke geatly reduced except under load.... not as bad but not good enough either. I need to replace the valve "caps" and adjust this week, any thoughts on if this may be causing an issue as they are "out" at the moment... and a little noisy.

Smoke appears black to maybe grey? seems to give an extra puff at about 2000rpm (Turbo spooling up?) then through to gear change. whilst coasting or idling no smoke. Usual puff on start up. Clean airfilter. Oil change due in about 1000km

Ran injector cleaner previous tankful (and did a highway run towing about 7-800kgs) for 400km then empty trip back sitting on around 105km/h

[slipedisk]

Well after my last post, the Dealer said after they had a look the shaft is just moving abit, the smoke was getting worst, not just on start up (cold) so it went to Adelaide Turbo Svc's fins hd broken off the shaft had more play than the Springboks so it went from a basic rebuild ($550-650) to all the guts peplaced $1500. Someone made a comment about Black ------L/R, good job there the swearing bars on :mad::mad::mad::mad:

[mcrover]

2 years ago, ours was $1200 to replace pretty much the whole thing, impeller was hitting the inside of the housing and th compressor had marks on it like it had started as well.

To me it was just getting a little noisy.

It was at 220000kms.

[cookiesa]

Well after my last post, the Dealer said after they had a look the shaft is just moving abit, the smoke was getting worst, not just on start up (cold) so it went to Adelaide Turbo Svc's fins hd broken off the shaft had more play than the Springboks so it went from a basic rebuild ($550-650) to all the guts peplaced $1500. Someone made a comment about Black ------L/R, good job there the swearing bars on :mad::mad::mad::mad:

I wont start on them, but be aware Prestige Walkerville is the same Dealer Principal and run to the same standards

[rar110]

you can buy a new Garrett GT25 (ball bearing) for $1100. Garrett sales info reckons spools up faster and more durable than journal bearing turbo.

Apparently these were $3000 a couple of years ago.

[slipedisk]

Well the price has now jumped to $1800 the whole guts is gone and the housing needs a skim, had alook at the shaft today nearly 1mm step in the shaft, so much for just a slight movement, going to be a slight movement when I put it somewhere in the SVC managers....:mad::mad::mad:
Cheers

[rick130]

Well the price has now jumped to $1800 the whole guts is gone and the housing needs a skim, had alook at the shaft today nearly 1mm step in the shaft, so much for just a slight movement, going to be a slight movement when I put it somewhere in the SVC managers....:mad::mad::mad:
Cheers


PM Jase and see if he has any VVT's and manifolds left that fit the 2.8HS engine. Wouldn't cost too much more than your reco and a big performance upgrade.

The other alternative is get in touch with MTQ/DTS and get their Mitsubishi TD04 upgrade kit (including manifold) for not too much more either.

[Dougal]

Don't the tdi's use T25 turbos?

Rebuild kits for those are under $100 on your door from ebay US. I rebuilt the T25 on my 4BD1 myself, appears to be holding up fine.
My rebuild was needed after the oil feed line came apart.

[Disco_owner]

Jase;

How much of a difference does VNT Turbo make to the Torque Figure of Tdi engine,do you have any dyno figures? , will I need to set up / regraph my Fuel Pump , is Turbo already balanced ? I remeber talkint to GCG couple of days ago and they gave me a Quote to re-Servicing of my garret Turbo for Tdi of around $550 ? will this Turbo need to be installed by a Turbo specialist for correct balancing ? Will the Fuel Pump need to be optimised for Better performance ? will I need to exchange my existing turbo charger?

Jase Could you Please PM me . thanks.


I can get (sell) you a brand new new TGV (variable nozzle) turbo, exh manifold and gaskets to suit for $2300 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
makes full boost at 1400 RPM 8) (compared to tdi turbo 2??? RPM)
and with variable nozzle keeps producing boost right up to redline 8)
Jase
Taking orders now for next shipment of engines approx x-mas delivery
who wants to buy themself an x-mas presant ??

[cookiesa]

Well the price has now jumped to $1800 the whole guts is gone and the housing needs a skim, had alook at the shaft today nearly 1mm step in the shaft, so much for just a slight movement, going to be a slight movement when I put it somewhere in the SVC managers....:mad::mad::mad:
Cheers

Let me know when you are palmed off to Scott, that's when the fun begins.... I may have something that could help you a little, no promises though. PM me when your ready