Climate and water outlook, BOM

[bob10]

Climate and Water Outlook : BOM - Landline - ABC (http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2016/s4493427.htm)

[newhue]

Here is another Bob, and perhaps why we won't be driving Defenders or oil power vehicles in 10 years. I tried to find the story on Australia's southern Kelp forrest being annihilated between 2011 and 2013 but can't. Hard to think from Brisbane around to Geraldton in WA they are gone. Wiped out due to the ocean warming.

Great Barrier Reef is next....
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/07/the-great-barrier-reef-a-catastrophe-laid-bare

[newhue]

Ah..Goole is answer. Well to something's.

Kelp forrest disappearing

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/07/australias-vast-kelp-forests-devastated-by-marine-heatwave-study-reveals

[bob10]

Check out the post on 14 July, about the threat to the Rock lobster and abalone industry in the West. Scary stuff, the World's going thru a huge change.

[newhue]

Checked out July 14, quite sad really and depressing. I noticed in the election the environment got 0% attention. Well not completely true, 100M for the reef rehashed out of the 100M already allocated for it. The bill is more like 3 to 400M I hear and that's just a start. The environment for me it the foundation of our existence not jobs and growth. Or 130 billion in war machines which no doubt will be out of date when we finally receive them.
It appears people just think fresh air, fresh water, and the environment is in endless abundance for free; never putting a value on it unless it affects humans commercial interests and outcomes.
I have a bro in law in Federal Parliament. I listen to him talk and like his boss they are business men before politicians, not really interested in scientists observations. Of course publicly it's played differently. But weather it's a convenient natural event, or it all started around 1900 with the industrial evolution I think our time is nigh. Population and habitat destruction will do us in. Habitat destruction also applies to humans, not just animal extinction rates.

Scientist say 50 years to turn it around, but can't see it happening to be honest. A massive change needs to happen now. A war time effort today! But ask any politician there is no money or votes in the environment. And people seem to believe politicians over the scientist, well that's what the recent election suggests.
I have been listen to some old Midnight Oil albums lately. 30 years ago they were calling it. It seems as the song goes, "Who can standing the way...... when their is a dollar to be made" has never been truer.

[rar110]

Ask Barnaby, it's all hot air man. However, neither side is listening. Both propose winding down CSIRO.

Oddly, big business does have its eye on human induced climate change as a risk and opportunity. Particularly in terms of food security.

The global approach to CFCs was a practice run. But no ones following.

Re defence spending, we are tied to the US alliance, and Asia for income (not just China). We march with the US but dine with Asia. It's about negotiating with the US how little we will spend as part of our share for keeping the region balanced/stable. We don't want them walking away from the region. Otherwise we will be negotiating with another superpower (China/India) which is more complex. It will probably come eventually. However, we re not ready yet. We should have listened to Keating years ago. The Lowey institute also has some interesting podcasts on this stuff.

[newhue]

Too true Pete, and why I think the game is coming to an end. From what I see and hear politicians firstly use their position and contacts to grow their personal wealth. There is a bit of concern for the constitute to keep the punters at bay to retain there power. However most of the dealings are about making money for humans not sustainability for humans. And nowadays the use of the word "sustainable" has been rolled into commercial projections of a business. Kind of makes people feel warm and fuzzy as displayed in the Australia Infrastructure Report 2016 by the Federal Government. I'm afraid Northern Australia is set to become a cleared farm land like the south. i won't get started on biodiversity, flora, fauna, extinction rates, and micro organisms.

I question 12 subs at 50 billion, do we need 12. China has an army that is as big as the whole US population. Even if their very modern arsenal is lagging shear numbers will win. Bit like ants.
And when it's predicted most small home goods will be printed at home on a 3D printer in the next decade; I'm betting these 12 subs will need another billion dollar upgrade each when they finally arrive. If they are of any use anyway. Technology if dwarfing human thinking, and our politicians for the most part, are in the dark ages still wanting to open coal mines. Or build dams for old school farming. Alliance or not for our region. No one will watch NZ get invaded, neither would they do for Australia. We would have to sign an open cheque, but in the meant time if it is ever to happen, 50% of our 130 billion arsenal budget could go a very long way to bettering Australia's internal woes.

This two party preferred, compulsory voting, preferential votes is a scam made and maintained by the Liberal and Labour to keep them in power. Other successful countries around the world have cabinets made up of independents. Netherlands is one I think. But down here they say it's too unstable and unproductive, and non compulsory voting leads to radicalism. Well we still have a debt, health, education, and more roads are always on the agenda. So what's new, the worlds biggest coal mine?
Lib and Lab are both happy to ditch the "elected" leader for a theoretically more popular one. Their desperation to hanging on to power at all cost just shows the level of contempt they have for the country and it's people. And sadly it seems the sheep are happy to follow, as the election proved once again.

Ahh time to think of a camping destination Pete, kick back with some beers and watch the world slide by. Nothing I bang on about here will make the slightest differance. Pity I just can't close my eyes to it though.

[ramblingboy42]

Jason , you amaze me.

How long have you been keeping this all to yourself?

To your last sentence Jason, If we ALL banged on a bit it would make a difference.

You have a definite ally here.

Dennis

[workingonit]

Do we need/do we have a doomsday prepper section on aulro...

[bob10]

I don't think it is all doom & gloom. Humans will adapt, new industries will start up. Australians have to take their blinkers off, and look at the problems from a new perspective.

[newhue]

Jason , you amaze me.

How long have you been keeping this all to yourself?

To your last sentence Jason, If we ALL banged on a bit it would make a difference.

You have a definite ally here.

Dennis

Mate I live with a Liberal loving greenie hatting family. When you look at the elections results its extremely clear I am a minority. To speak up is like going up and over the trench at Gallipoli. It's only a matter of time before you are cut down in a spay of disapproval. Workingonit post is an example. To be realist is to be largely negative. To be cup half full.....well we have boundless compensating and down playing or LR's failings on this forum, same with the environment.

To look around it seems all green and cosha, but look closer its full of weeds and largely void of native wildlife. Plenty of feral stuff however, slowly but surely creeping further in.

I'm glad I have one allie, we are severely out numbered.

[newhue]

I don't think it is all doom & gloom. Humans will adapt, new industries will start up. Australians have to take their blinkers off, and look at the problems from a new perspective.

I hope so Bob, humans are capable of it. But once the cancer is in it's hard to stop. Renewable energies maybe like a Kemo, but the oceans are on the break if collapse today. It's like we have just discovered the earth has well advanced health issues. But many are in denial.