INCOMING - More bad 4by press

[Captain_Rightfoot]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/20051...10/s1488337.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200510/s1488337.htm)

It's on again... :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DiscoTDI]

I love the media, It starts off that the 19 month old was run over by the 4wd and then goes on to just say she was hit :roll: bloody typical

[disco95]

I would have to ask the question, Why blame the vehicle when it's clearly a case of the parents not doing their job properly?

[Yabbie]

I guess the 4wd part had to be add to sell a few more papers then I guess a head line such as"Dunny door slams kid" or "Rugby great ****s up" or what should have been written "Incompetent driver runs over own child" just isnt news anymore

[George130]

No need for the 4WD in the title. I agree with the incompetent driver on this news paper article. Interesting how at nearly all about his career.

[Ace]

Originally posted by George130
No need for the 4WD in the title. I agree with the incompetent driver on this news paper article. Interesting how at nearly all about his career.

Yeah, stuff the kid protect his career at all costs.

It's absolute crap, WTF was a 19month old kid doing playing in the drive way anyway? Matt

[Captain_Rightfoot]

[quote=George130]
It's absolute crap, WTF was a 19month old kid doing playing in the drive way anyway? Matt
Exactly !!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

Our 23MO is either in the car, with one of us, or the car stays!

[CraigE]

Yeah,
It does not matter that its more of a luxo barge rather than a real 4X4 anyway. The driveway downward would not have helped either but I dont see them blaming that. I doubt the driver would be blaming the 4x4 although we have seen them blamed by drivers. Privately I reckon this guy will be blaming himself and suffering the consequences for a long time to come. Publiclly he may blame the 4x4 as a way of trying to avoid police charges. The real villain here is the media. I dont see them wanting to ban trucks or buses for the same, a good example was the bus accident here in WA on Friday. Allowing heavy vehicles to turn across two lane traffic in a 100kph area, what a joke. My thoughts go out to the family though, they would be beside themselves, I know I would. I do hope the toddler recovers. You would think a high end vehicle like that would have a reversing camera. My daughter and her friend got hurt (only minor) when they flipped their quad when we took them out on Sat, maybe I should blame the quad, not the fact that they came in too hot into a gravel corner. Like I told them you dont really learn to ride a dirt bike unless you come off fromm time to time and learn your restrictions. They were more scared than hurt. Oh well get them back on it next weekend after some repairs.

[Ace]

[quote=George130]
It's absolute crap, WTF was a 19month old kid doing playing in the drive way anyway? Matt
Exactly !!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

Our 23MO is either in the car, with one of us, or the car stays!

Thats it, if the location of the child isnt known, dont move until you can see them. Matt

[broonski]

lets not be too hard on the poor bloke, he is a football player after all...

and with him being a football player, i'm surprised he had the brain capacity to know what a 4wd is let alone actually get in one and try to drive it!!!

and these people are allowed to have kids?! natural selection isn't doing it's job... remove them from the gene pool!!!

cheers,
bryce

[PBob]

I think it is a very sad tale, we shouldn't comment too much on what or how it happened - the real point is the "4 wheel drive" bit is disgusting. If it had happened with the family car, would they say " a two wheel drive ran over etc, etc"

[Ace]

Originally posted by PBob
I think it is a very sad tale, we shouldn't comment too much on what or how it happened - the real point is the "4 wheel drive" bit is disgusting. If it had happened with the family car, would they say " a two wheel drive ran over etc, etc"

They have only really focused on the fact it was a 4wd in the papers, they just keep saying that he ran over his daughter on the telly, but they do do close ups of his 4wd in his driveway at home. I wonder how many times a child is run over by a car and it only makes local news? Matt

[one_iota]

I heard a spokesperson from the NRMA quoted saying that it was not just a 4wd issue. That was refreshing particularly alongside a call from our favorite person from the Pedestrian Council calling for mandatory reversing cameras.

But regardless of all of this we must feel sorry for those personally affected by this horrible incident...the thought of it makes my blood run cold.

[Ace]

Originally posted by one_iota
I heard a spokesperson from the NRMA quoted saying that it was not just a 4wd issue. That was refreshing particularly alongside a call from our favorite person from the Pedestrian Council calling for mandatory reversing cameras.

But regardless of all of this we must feel sorry for those personally affected by this horrible incident...the thought of it makes my blood run cold.

Speaking of our pedestrian council friend. It must have been a slow day at the office a couple of weeks ago, the 4wd basing musnt have been on the agenda that day because he was out having a go at people using T3 lanes when they didnt have 3 people in the car. If dickheads used the lanes properly and stayed left when they were going slower then people wouldnt need to nip up the inside lane, why dont the police target this. Epecially on freeways. Matt

[one_iota]

Ace,

Our mate should spend some time worrying about pedestrians walking through red don't walk lights.... :roll: :? after all what does a T3 lane have to do with pedestrian safety?

[DiscoTDI]

The paper today said that the child was under the car, not behind it. No cameras were going to see his daughter style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Ace]

Originally posted by one_iota
Ace,

Our mate should spend some time worrying about pedestrians walking through red don't walk lights.... :roll: :? after all what does a T3 lane have to do with pedestrian safety?

Pretty much what i was thinking. As for pedestrians walking through red dont walk lights, it doesnt matter because if they get hit by a 4wd its because 4wds are bad.

[Yabbie]

I find it sad that any moron can have a child yet you need a licence to own a dog!!

Sure Kids will be kids and as anyone who has raised kids will tell you you need eyes in the back of your head but surely, the question needs to be asked where was the kids mother?

Our mate Harold needs a check up from the neck up!!

It's getting to the point that if someone farts and it smells remotely like a 4wd well it must have needed a rear view camera because it came out of a tank.

The guy is just to keen to get his mug on the front of any bloody form of media. Next thing you'll know he will be raving on about how 4wd's cause potholes because of the bigger wheels.

Shame Lee Harvey Oswald's dead I would have given him the $2 for ammo :twisted:

[MT]

Originally posted by broonski
lets not be too hard on the poor bloke, he is a football player after all...

and with him being a football player, i'm surprised he had the brain capacity to know what a 4wd is let alone actually get in one and try to drive it!!!

and these people are allowed to have kids?! natural selection isn't doing it's job... remove them from the gene pool!!!

cheers,
bryce

A tasteless and pointless hack (like many in this thread).

For the less than gifted amongst us - the issue is not that the fellow was a footballer, or that the vehicle was a 4WD. The issue is that a horrible accident has occurred and a family (and most of all a father) would be feeling absolutely terrible about what has happned to their child. The issue is one that calls for compassion, not self centred attempts at humor.

I am disgusted.

By the way - Weary Dunlop was also a Footballer - and a Wallaby - perhaps another dumbo that should have been 'removed from the gene pool ' eh Bryce? .

Didn't Mummy let you play contact sport? Shame - it builds character. Any person with character would be feeling for the Kearns' at this time rather than having a hack.

Mark

[Ace]

Originally posted by MT+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MT)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-broonski
lets not be too hard on the poor bloke, he is a football player after all...

and with him being a football player, i'm surprised he had the brain capacity to know what a 4wd is let alone actually get in one and try to drive it!!!

and these people are allowed to have kids?! natural selection isn't doing it's job... remove them from the gene pool!!!

cheers,
bryce

A tasteless and pointless hack (like many in this thread).

For the less than gifted amongst us - the issue is not that the fellow was a footballer, or that the vehicle was a 4WD. The issue is that a horrible accident has occurred and a family (and most of all a father) would be feeling absolutely terrible about what has happned to their child. The issue is one that calls for compassion, not self centred attempts at humor.

I am disgusted.

By the way - Weary Dunlop was also a Footballer - and a Wallaby - perhaps another dumbo that should have been 'removed from the gene pool ' eh Bryce? .

Didn't Mummy let you play contact sport? Shame - it builds character. Any person with character would be feeling for the Kearns' at this time rather than having a hack.

Mark[/b][/quote]

We have compassion MT, and as a parent i do feel for the family involved. Having said this the fact still remains that, this incident has nothing to do with 4wd's the fact that he drives one is neither here nor there, but the media jumps on the "Anti 4wd band wagon" when ever they can. Now tradgedy aside, I am getting sick of it, and so is every other member on this site, i think it goes with out saying that we feel for the family, but it could have been avoided and it has SFA to do with the fact he was driving a 4wd. Matt

[one_iota]

MT.

I support that view to the extent that we (collectively) have forgotten the victim and have formed a view about the vehicle, the driver and the child's parentage.

Very little consolation. empathy or sympathy offered. :evil:

[Yabbie]

Originally posted by MT+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MT)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-broonski
lets not be too hard on the poor bloke, he is a football player after all...

and with him being a football player, i'm surprised he had the brain capacity to know what a 4wd is let alone actually get in one and try to drive it!!!

and these people are allowed to have kids?! natural selection isn't doing it's job... remove them from the gene pool!!!

cheers,
bryce

A tasteless and pointless hack (like many in this thread).

For the less than gifted amongst us - the issue is not that the fellow was a footballer, or that the vehicle was a 4WD. The issue is that a horrible accident has occurred and a family (and most of all a father) would be feeling absolutely terrible about what has happned to their child. The issue is one that calls for compassion, not self centred attempts at humor.

I am disgusted.

By the way - Weary Dunlop was also a Footballer - and a Wallaby - perhaps another dumbo that should have been 'removed from the gene pool ' eh Bryce? .

Didn't Mummy let you play contact sport? Shame - it builds character. Any person with character would be feeling for the Kearns' at this time rather than having a hack.

Mark[/b][/quote]

Sorry was I meant to give a big winded speach and a piece of orange and tell him to play hard or was it run out with the magic water given his link to rugby, bull**** the guy feels bad cause he ****ed up end of story.

4wd's are no dangerous than a handguns, it's the fool on the operating end of it that needs to be looked at 4wd's (like guns don't kill people, people kill people!! don't believe me pick up a history book we've been doing it for thousands of years)

The only Kearns I feel for is the poor Child with a father who has the intellect to guide a rugby team to victory yet lacks the commonsence required to park the family car without injurying one of the most important members of it.

Blame the car sure why not but if the car was so bloody difficult for them to drive why purchase it in the first place??

Oopps sorry nearly forgot it was that nasty man from the dealership who forced them to hand over their "hard earned" money.

When is this society going to stop the buck passing that stems from every action/inaction of an individual?.

[feral]

Yes Mark, it does call for compassion....and that should be from everyone!

But unfortunately if persons are running an agenda they will gloss over the specifics to suit their arguement. I found it disgusting that Scruby has already come out and politicised the issue for his own gain. Ten News is running an anti 4wd where as Nine News says the family car. Which one do you think is the most emotive???

The family could have had a Commodore wagon which is bigger than the Toureg but the vehicle type would not be bought into it, only if it was a 4wd.

But getting back to the family....In the whole of Australia someone elses child possibly got hit or run over today, and the media and others couldn't give a toss, and thats the sad thing.

[jdubb]

It's a shame, nobody can have an accident anymore

[Ace]

Originally posted by Feral
Yes Mark, it does call for compassion....and that should be from everyone!

But unfortunately if persons are running an agenda they will gloss over the specifics to suit their arguement. I found it disgusting that Scruby has already come out and politicised the issue for his own gain. Ten News is running an anti 4wd where as Nine News says the family car. Which one do you think is the most emotive???

The family could have had a Commodore wagon which is bigger than the Toureg but the vehicle type would not be bought into it, only if it was a 4wd.

But getting back to the family....In the whole of Australia someone elses child possibly got hit or run over today, and the media and others couldn't give a toss, and thats the sad thing.

A commodore wagon has worse rear vision aswell.

But you are right feral, whilst all our thoughts should be with the little girl in hospital, all the nation can do is blame 4wd's, this is the point i was trying to make, you just did a better job. Scruby should be shot, he doesnt care about the little girl, he only jumps at the chance to further prove his point using unjustified claims. Matt

[abaddonxi]

On a lighter note,

I was backing out of a friend's driveway in Bellingen and was so worried about kids behind me that I backed off the driveway and had to put the 130 into low range to get it back on the concrete

In the driveway.

Oh the shame.

Cheers

Simon.

[Ace]

Originally posted by abaddonxi
On a lighter note,

I was backing out of a friend's driveway in Bellingen and was so worried about kids behind me that I backed off the driveway and had to put the 130 into low range to get it back on the concrete

In the driveway.

Oh the shame.

Cheers

Simon.

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[FenianEel]

The media never let the facts get in the way. It is terrible as we've all said but it's got nothing to do with the vehicle.
He ran over her. She ran out to the car and he didn't see her, so it wasn't a reversing issue. A parenting issue maybe - but i'm not to judge.
He is an "ambassador" for VW, so does promo's for them & gets the vehicle for nought. Not sure why that's been hushed - but i don't think he'll be doing it or wanting to anymore.
I hired a new Commodore when in Sydney for the NRL Grand Final, and buggered if I could see anywhere behind me. The vision in those things is disastrous. I couldn't even see beside me to change lanes, due to the massive rear qtr panels and seat design. The media don't rave about poor design in any 2WD vehicles.
Bravo the comments on Scrubbys. He couldn't care about the little girl or anything else. Just riding his vendetta and vengeance against 4WD's on the back of people's miseries.
By the way, stereotyping all "footballers" as stupid, is like calling all 4WDrivers irresponsible, redneck landwreckers.
My sympathies are with the family. Phil Kearns and his wife may have made a terrible mistake and they are suffering, but the guy is far from stupid.

Fenian Eel OUT

[Ace]

Originally posted by FenianEel
I hired a new Commodore when in Sydney for the NRL Grand Final, and buggered if I could see anywhere behind me. The vision in those things is disastrous. I couldn't even see beside me to change lanes, due to the massive rear qtr panels and seat design. The media don't rave about poor design in any 2WD vehicles.

Fenian Eel OUT

Its funny you should say that. When ACA did a story on reversing earlier in the year, they focused on 4wd's, but when interviewing the NRMA testing people they made the comment that the VY commodore has the worst rear vision of any car in Australia. Did they focus on that comment? Nope, they went back to the several car parks, and as a 4wd was backing out they dropped a teddy bear all of 2 feet high right under the rear step. No that is excellent journalism. :roll:

[JamesH]

The matter of 4 wheel drives was discussed on the 730 Report and it was relatively balanced. They discussed blind spots in general and acknowledged many non 4wds had problems in this area as well.

One piece of constructive advice they offered for people who are concenrned about chidren in their blind spot is to reverse into the driveway. When you drive out you will have a greater chance to see pedestrians entering your driveway from footpaths etc. When you drive in and prepare to rverse you can check kids etc are well away.

Phil Kearns is a great man and a legend and my heart goes out to him as it should to anybody who has made a mistake with dire consequences. I've made mistakes myself and have been fortunate that the consequences were not as bad as they good have been: skylarking on a tractor with a mate at age 18 springs to mind.

[FenianEel]

It's like firearms, swimming pools, booze or crossing the road or a lot of things.
All that stuff can kill you - but there is a reason that happens, and it's usually someone doing the wrong thing, or not being careful or whatever.
My old man was paranoid about children around cars, tractors etc. We skittled the odd chook or duck, and a dog once - but never came close to any accidents with children. (I did roll the odd car later on though!)
My little ones don't come out from the house or behind the fence until either the car is stopped or we're with them. They don't get out unless we're with them either.
Accidents happen, but unfortuantely they are avoidable.
The media should concentrate on that and do something productive. All the reversing lights/cameras/alarms/bells/whistles in the world won't help if you're not always paying attention and vigilant.
Children drown everyday in pools with "childproof" fences and locks.

[abaddonxi]

Just a general comment on this style of thread.

There have been several threads commenting on four wheel drives, safety, etc. over the past few weeks.

I suspect that if the same comments had been made against another member of the forum they would have been edited.

- some of these comments are in questionable taste.


So, to my point.

This is a public forum. That is, any member of the internet world can come look. As the title says, Australian Land Rover Owners. Somewhere in there we are claiming to represent Land Rover owners in specific and four wheel drive owners in particular.

How would everyone feel if ACA or A Current Affair quoted material from this or similar thread when they run the next story bashing four wheel drives for whatever faults they have?

I doubt that we would come off looking like the good guys in that story.

This forum is as public a publishing sphere as TV, letters to the editor, etc. From some of the comments made I can understand the four wheel driver bashing.


Comments?

Cheers

Simon.

[Ace]

Originally posted by abaddonxi
Just a general comment on this style of thread.

There have been several threads commenting on four wheel drives, safety, etc. over the past few weeks.

I suspect that if the same comments had been made against another member of the forum they would have been edited.

- some of these comments are in questionable taste.


So, to my point.

This is a public forum. That is, any member of the internet world can come look. As the title says, Australian Land Rover Owners. Somewhere in there we are claiming to represent Land Rover owners in specific and four wheel drive owners in particular.

How would everyone feel if ACA or A Current Affair quoted material from this or similar thread when they run the next story bashing four wheel drives for whatever faults they have?

I doubt that we would come off looking like the good guys in that story.

This forum is as public a publishing sphere as TV, letters to the editor, etc. From some of the comments made I can understand the four wheel driver bashing.


Comments?

Cheers

Simon.

An extremely good point Simon, deep down i think we all feel for the family, but speaking for myself only, i am getting very bored with the whole "the 4wd did it" type slant the media takes, and i guess things are said in the heat of the moment. Matt

[George130]

We all agree it is the last thing you would wish on anyone.

At work today this was posted up for those that wish to question the pedestrian council themselves. I don't know how accurate the number is though.

If you feel like some entertainment ring Harold and ask him, as an interested member of the public, what evidence he has to support his demands - you may find his response most instructive! The number for the Pedestrian Council, through which Harold can presumably be contacted, is (02) 9968 4544 - it is unclear exactly where this number is located.

[one_iota]

The 7:30 Report on ABC TV covered the story the other night.

The program promo at 6:30 went like: the debate over 4wd's has been fueled by the recent tragedy.

So fearing the worst I watched the program and was surprised by the neutral approach.

Transcript here:

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2005/s1489663.htm

[4bee]

Listening to a ABC Radio Interview (891 Adelaide) this morning. It seems as though the Child/Driveway incidents are now on a par with Swimming Pool accidents. One per week now, it was claimed. Also these"accidents" are not vehicle specific, but pertain to all different types as well. Four WD's just get the publicity.

A friend of ours drives an Audi. I don't see people jumping up & down to have those banned but they are also a 4WD.

[abaddonxi]

Saw this

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Research by the NSW Commissioner for Children and Young People found that between 1996 and 2003, 31 children died in driveways. Of these, 19 deaths involved 4WDs.[/b][/quote]
Here
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,...5001021,00.html (http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,17008054-5001021,00.html)

It doesn't discriminate between Subaru style 4wds and large 4wds.

Looking at those figures, and not getting the breakdown, it still looks like a slight trend towards 4wds.


Cheese

Simon

[abaddonxi]

If you really want to get grisly about it go here http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/...75?OpenDocument (http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/657c06acd6e70a17ca2569d000164375?OpenDocument)
Where they give you the full breakdown.

Simon

[Ace]

Being vehicle specific doesnt really tell much, in the end it comes down to the driver. If more 4wds are invloved some of the city drivers who buy these vehicles need to be educated more on the extra considerations needed when driving one. Matt

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by CraigE
Yeah,
It does not matter that its more of a luxo barge rather than a real 4X4 anyway.

Oi :!:

What are you saying about Luxo-Barges :?: :!: :evil:




The thing that gets me about the Kearns story is the implication that somehow its worse he ran over his kid in a VW Toureg, given that he is an "abassador" for that vehicle. Really :!: :roll: I can;t think of many things worse than running over your own child, and I;m sure the type of car involved makes no F-ing difference whatsoever.



On a related matter the news on the TV about the Viet Aussie they are going to hang in Sinmgapore for drugs showed him being carted to a prisnon in a Land Rover 110 prison van :!: Does that count as negative (or positive?) 4WD publicity.

On 'A Current Affair' tonight (in my best Ray Martin voice) a four wheel drive causes and Australian man to get hanged in Singapore. :roll: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Ace]

Originally posted by VladTepes
The thing that gets me about the Kearns story is the implication that somehow its worse he ran over his kid in a VW Toureg, given that he is an "abassador" for that vehicle. Really :!: :roll: I can;t think of many things worse than running over your own child, and I;m sure the type of car involved makes no F-ing difference whatsoever.

Thats it. How on earth can a car be blamed when it is being told what to do be a human? Matt

[Disco300Tdi]

We live across the road from a kindergarten
In the morning, midday and around 4pm
our street becomes a scene from Gladiator
There are women in all makes and models incl 4WDs
pulling in, backing out, kids running amok every where
Kids screaming at their mums, and mums screaming at
their kids and other parents also.

After seeing a few near misses by adults in their cars
and children being picked up or dropped off I decided
to change one of my reversing globes in all our vehicles
It plugs in as per a normal globe, but emmits an intermittent
buzzer as well as light. Only $4.99 for two in a blister pack

Now approx 6 months down the track its funny to see quite
a few parents at the kindergarten have also fitted them

[4bee]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif Do tell us more 84. (not meant to rhyme) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

What, where etc?

[Disco300Tdi]

Repco sell them for about $5 for 2 in a blister pack

They are a 12v light globe that has a
buzzer built into the body of the globe

Plugged into the reverse light socket it
sounds intermittently whilst in reverse gear

Just being pro-active in the household

[4bee]

Thanks for that. Have you a Maker's name & a Code #?

Haven't got a REPCO around this way. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[one_iota]

Originally posted by 84RR
Repco sell them for about $5 for 2 in a blister pack

They are a 12v light globe that has a
buzzer built into the body of the globe

Plugged into the reverse light socket it
sounds intermittently whilst in reverse gear

Just being pro-active in the household

I have one to install.

But I also bought a similar reversing sensor alarm from Jaycar:

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?I...x=&SUBCATID=669 (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=LR8868&CATID=24&keywords=&SPECIAL=&form=CAT&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=669)

Yet to be installed but shouldn't be too difficult.

I think that Autobarn have one as well.

Very useful when the rear is loaded to the roof.

BTW my commode has this facility as standard and as we know it needs it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[disconut]

Originally posted by 4bee
Thanks for that. Have you a Maker's name & a Code #?

Haven't got a REPCO around this way. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

Try this lot.

http://www.supercheapauto.com/www/index.cf...chtype=4&rid=11 (http://www.supercheapauto.com/www/index.cfm?fuseaction=stores.searchMultipleStoresRe sult&searchtype=4&rid=11)

Trev.

[Dinty]

G'day All, first let me say I don't give a hoot who looks at this site and for what reason, first someone from canberra said Weary Dunlop was a footballer yeah well big deal so were a lot of others (and don't get me wrong here he was a HERO) he played the game for the FUN and the social enjoyment, these daze it's FOR MONEY nothing else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!. the poor fellow in this case, made a simple mistake, and hey don't get me wrong I've owned Landrover's for more than 30 years and I have 4 children and I do feel very sorry for him and his wife and the long term implications this could have on his and her future and not forgetting the innocent victim in all of this his daughter,(from a nurse's perspective I do hope she makes a full recovery) whatever happened to being responsible for your own actions, end of story!. And just to add insult to injury on the news Channel 7(oh my god what a load of s**t) big harold lives 2 doors away 8O and I have to agree with the spokesperson from 4WD council "It is up to the people of Oz to decide what they want to drive not anyone else!!!!!!. I have a fleet of Landrovers 1 on full NSW rego and 4 vehicles and 3 trailers all ex-mil on club rego and a few other vehicles waiting their turn, and I can remember when we were thought (Landrover owners) to be strange bastards for owning such things well s**t happens and I'm going to have mine until I'M DEAD aw st**f em anyway and I don't give a **** what you all say or think, don't get me started on religion/politics etc cheers Dennis
:roll: :wink: :arrow:

[abaddonxi]

Good on ya Dennis. What's your opinion on dogs eating their owners?

Cheers

Simon

[disconut]

Personally I think we should stop the insensitive drivel and shut this thread down.
The representative for 4wd Australia was tactful and said all the was required on behalf of all 4wd owners.
Don't lower yourselves to Scruby's level who uses peoples misfortunes to push his own personal beliefs. :oops:

Trev.

[one_iota]

Originally posted by disconut
Personally I think we should stop the insensitive drivel and shut this thread down.
The representative for 4wd Australia was tactful and said all the was required on behalf of all 4wd owners.
Don't lower yourselves to Scruby's level who uses peoples misfortunes to push his own personal beliefs. :oops:

Trev.

In the midst of the hype a couple of constructive ideas and facts have come forward... so let's not close down the debate. Let's just temper the emotion.

[Dinty]

G'day hey Trev I agree but i felt i had to say something about the whole issue, closing it down on this site wont stop h.s. at all he is on a mission, shame they the TV idiots don't ask him what he drives???? and as for the dog eating it's owners ears well that happened just recently very close (6 miles away in Ellalong why would you have such animals) and the owner admitted in the local rag NMH he wasn't TOP DOG anymore. I have worked with nurses from Africa who say they were afraid of going to work in the dark I.E being eaten by Lions etc so why are we worried about this clown h.s. :wink: :arrow:

[disconut]

Hi Dennis,

Yep I get angry too. We have to expose Scruby with facts and show what a false shallow person he is.
Its hard to buy good press let alone give ourselves bad press, and for free. I'm no angel, but as owners of the Marque we could set ourselves apart from the rest with responsible actions and words. (at least in the forums).

Any way, enough from me, lets get back to the techo stuff.

Cheers,

Trev.

[abaddonxi]

Originally posted by Dinty
G'day hey Trev I agree but i felt i had to say something about the whole issue, closing it down on this site wont stop h.s. at all he is on a mission, shame they the TV idiots don't ask him what he drives???? and as for the dog eating it's owners ears well that happened just recently very close (6 miles away in Ellalong why would you have such animals) and the owner admitted in the local rag NMH he wasn't TOP DOG anymore. I have worked with nurses from Africa who say they were afraid of going to work in the dark I.E being eaten by Lions etc so why are we worried about this clown h.s. :wink: :arrow:

H. Scruby drives a Subaru. Have a look here
http://heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_...55E1702,00.html (http://heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,15755676%255E1702,00.html)

Cheers

Simon

[broonski]

Originally posted by MT


A tasteless and pointless hack (like many in this thread).

For the less than gifted amongst us - the issue is not that the fellow was a footballer, or that the vehicle was a 4WD. The issue is that a horrible accident has occurred and a family (and most of all a father) would be feeling absolutely terrible about what has happned to their child. The issue is one that calls for compassion, not self centred attempts at humor.

I am disgusted.

By the way - Weary Dunlop was also a Footballer - and a Wallaby - perhaps another dumbo that should have been 'removed from the gene pool ' eh Bryce? .

Didn't Mummy let you play contact sport? Shame - it builds character. Any person with character would be feeling for the Kearns' at this time rather than having a hack.

Mark

I am glad to see that you can separate the incident from the objects involved, Mark. And I agree that this issue is one that calls for compassion, but I somehow fail to see how I was making a 'self centered attempt at humor'.

I was merely making a comment as to drivers being the problem and not the vehicles, but obviously you missed this and simply read the words on the screen without further thought. Perhaps it was too subtle? Upon reflection, I notice it was the wrong way to go about such a comment and I apologize to all those offended.

Mark, I am well aware of the person Weary Dunlop was and the things that he did and achieved, as I possess a keen interest in history, and in particular, Australian history. It is the choices we make that show who we really are. Sir Edward Dunlop made choices to do the things he did, and is one of the greatest heroes this country has ever seen.

A word of advice, Mark... Don't be too judgmental of people you do not know. I do feel sorry for Mr. Kearns, and his whole family. And I do hope his daughter makes a full recovery.

Also, Mark, as an ex-rugby and soccer player myself, I know what it's like to play contact sports. And yes, it does build character, but so does everything. I thought you would have at least noticed that.

There's a few subtle life lessons for you, try and find them.
But, as I have no character, am I really in a position to be giving life lessons? Even if I am giving them to benefit others?

Cheers,
Bryce

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[DiscoTDI]

Has anyone actually thought about what would have happened if he was driving a car and this same incident happened, a 19 month old is very hard to see out of a commodore. The fact is the 4wd saved the childs life because the ground clearance of the vehicle is the only reason she is alive. If it was a car, she would be dead, at least she still has a chance.

Its a point worth thinking about

[Ace]

Originally posted by DiscoTDI
Has anyone actually thought about what would have happened if he was driving a car and this same incident happened, a 19 month old is very hard to see out of a commodore. The fact is the 4wd saved the childs life because the ground clearance of the vehicle is the only reason she is alive. If it was a car, she would be dead, at least she still has a chance.

Its a point worth thinking about

I agree, with a 4wd the child is simply knocked down and then the vehicle passes over them, provided they dont go under the wheels. But with a car as you say the clearance is less and more damage is done. People can argue that 4wds are heavier, yes they are, but a commodore or equivalent will do enough damage to a toddler. Matt

[joe]

The answer is simple. I have two kids 2&3. They play in back yard with at least 1 (one) parent present at all times. The yard is fenced off from drive and as a rule we check cars for outside hazards before geting in (thats the big Rangie and the little Gemini) as both will kill adults let alone kids, if they roll on a head or chest :evil: Driving is a privilidge not a right and that goes for all cars. All actions taken in a car is driver responsibillity end of story. Its like shooting somone with Rifle 20 times, and then saying its the weapon's fault becuase you could not see whether the mag was empty or not. 8O . Muzzle awareness is your responibillity! If you dont now the safety issues involved, what the hell are you using it for?. :x

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Joe.

[MT]

Originally posted by broonski+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(broonski)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-MT


A tasteless and pointless hack (like many in this thread).

For the less than gifted amongst us - the issue is not that the fellow was a footballer, or that the vehicle was a 4WD. The issue is that a horrible accident has occurred and a family (and most of all a father) would be feeling absolutely terrible about what has happned to their child. The issue is one that calls for compassion, not self centred attempts at humor.

I am disgusted.

By the way - Weary Dunlop was also a Footballer - and a Wallaby - perhaps another dumbo that should have been 'removed from the gene pool ' eh Bryce? .

Didn't Mummy let you play contact sport? Shame - it builds character. Any person with character would be feeling for the Kearns' at this time rather than having a hack.

Mark

I am glad to see that you can separate the incident from the objects involved, Mark. And I agree that this issue is one that calls for compassion, but I somehow fail to see how I was making a 'self centered attempt at humor'.

I was merely making a comment as to drivers being the problem and not the vehicles, but obviously you missed this and simply read the words on the screen without further thought. Perhaps it was too subtle? Upon reflection, I notice it was the wrong way to go about such a comment and I apologize to all those offended.

Mark, I am well aware of the person Weary Dunlop was and the things that he did and achieved, as I possess a keen interest in history, and in particular, Australian history. It is the choices we make that show who we really are. Sir Edward Dunlop made choices to do the things he did, and is one of the greatest heroes this country has ever seen.

A word of advice, Mark... Don't be too judgmental of people you do not know. I do feel sorry for Mr. Kearns, and his whole family. And I do hope his daughter makes a full recovery.

Also, Mark, as an ex-rugby and soccer player myself, I know what it's like to play contact sports. And yes, it does build character, but so does everything. I thought you would have at least noticed that.

There's a few subtle life lessons for you, try and find them.
But, as I have no character, am I really in a position to be giving life lessons? Even if I am giving them to benefit others?

Cheers,
Bryce[/b][/quote]

Bryce,

A fine piece of dissembling. Please go back, objectively, and have another read of your orginal post. I will 'own up' to my hack about contact sport - what about you?

Thanks for the subtle life lessons - I missed Oprah last week and I am at work when Dr Phil is on, so I haven't had a lot of patronising advice lately.

I am with those who previously have posted and think we should get back to landrover issues in this forum.

Regards,

Mark