Why so many problems with the Discovery ?

[rob tilbury]

I had my last range rover for 8 years she had all the ARB goodies front / rear bars , difflocks front rear / 3.9v8 5 speed , 3 batteries . endless air system , full roof rack , near on every extra ,, we towed our 24 foot Huntsman everywhere and never once had a breakdown ,,
normal servicing , oil change check adjust ect ect ,,,

Now i have a later discovery its like a new car every day ?
as in what will bust today ,,
Im getting to the point where i am worried even seeing if it will start without lights on the dash blinking saying NO NO SORRY NOT TODAY !

do you guys put up with this or did i just get a crap car ,,
I have never owned a car that has let me down so many time in the first 3 months ?

I wish i had my rangy back


I have talked to people that have said ,,
"OH I HAVE A NOISE FROM MY GEARBOX <<<

I WILL JUST WRECK IT AND GET ANOTHER ??

REALLY ?

I HAD A LADA NIVA THAT WAS MORE RELIABLE THAN THIS PIECE OF CRAP !

OH WELL I WILL GET THE TOYOTA OUT THE GARAGE AGAIN ,,,,,
THE LAND ROVER CAN SIT TILL IT WANTS TO PLAY ,,
LAZY CRAP CAR

[ozscott]

Haha. You get problems with every type. How has it been treated? How many k's? You also have to remember that it has a fair bit more on it and therefore a fair bit more to go wrong than a RRC. Cheers

[rob tilbury]

I believe they need to go back to being a great 4x4 not a wire loom on wheels ,,,
Thought i was buying a car not a ongoing project ,,,
Getting over it real fast ,,
think it will be gone soon ,,,,
I give it 3 months if it don't start getting better it will be wrecked out never to be a pain again ,,,
I would love to dissect it ,,, starting to think inflicting pain on this car would be fun !

real fun !

[ozscott]

I feel your pain re the electronics believe me. All modern cars face those gremlins as they age. Mine took 15 years... Unfortunately I like the creature comforts and safety so I won't go backwards in years. Cheers

[Narangga]

I believe they need to go back to being a great 4x4 not a wire loom on wheels ,,,


Buy any vehicle manufactured in this century and that is what you are getting.

My D2, like the Defender before it, did roughly 80,000 km in 8 years - mostly in Arnhem Land. Both of those vehicles stood me up once (as the D3 has done inside the first year). The Defender clutch failed and the D2 spat an idler pulley for the drive belt. Can happen on any vehicle.

That said, I researched the vehicles as much as I could before I bought them, had them inspected by a third party prior to sale and read up on what things I might need to fix over time. I did this with the 2006 Toyota Tarago we bought in 2012 too.

Am I lucky and are you unlucky? I don't know. But I have known very new cars of different manufacturers to have lots of issues. I think it comes down to the vehicle in this case rather than the make as a whole.

I loved the D2 so am sorry that your experience hasn't been a pleasant one.

[rob tilbury]

funny thing i have a Tickford fairlane (1999) with the same ZF4-hp22 ,
same Air suspension same abs asme traction control electronic diff lock ,,, and It has never missed a beat ,,

I wonder it they thought lets get the electronics out of a passenger car and stick them in a 4X4 she will be right ,,, then after being dunked and rocked and rolled they just are not up to the challenge ,,,
San really i had a tow truck in the UK it was a 110 v8 ,,same never missed a beat ,, i have had so many land rovers but never heard of a series that breaks down as much as the D2 ,,
Maybe they should have recalled all the D2`s and crushed them as to not lessen the brand ?

will be a long time before i buy another ,,
May start wrecking them tho as every one needs parts for theres ...

[ozscott]

Can't agree Rob. Please...you must have had a version of a Ford built on a separate line by the senior engineers on a Wednesday. My d2 has been far more reliable than my many vehicles before it including Oz built. I have had my d2 since new and have looked after it. The d2 auto is a great box and had no history of mechanical problems. Very very few problems. The ABS modulator is another story but easy to fix if you follow the advice on this board. Mate it sounds like you are not up for post mid 90's LR ownership and should probably sell the d2.

Cheers

[Pedro_The_Swift]

no sympathy from me either,, you've barely scratched the surface on what goes wrong with these things,,
its a 20 year old car designed 30 years ago,, get over it,,;)

[Tins]

It's a dud. If they were all like yours seems to be then nobody would have them.
I think you need to remember that the D2 was a seriously advanced car on release. Streets ahead of a RRC or D1 on every level, with many more things that can go wrong. But that applies to all modern cars. Not 5 k's from where I sit there is a 2013 200 Series V8 wagon with less than 100,000 on the clock. It has had the engine out twice because you couldn't drive behind it 'cos of the smoke.

My car has done 300,000 odd. In that time it has done one head gasket (240,000), the SLS played up, popped the exhaust manifold stud, and the auto died at 300,000. I don't reckon that's too bad. Sure, there have been niggles. The security system is haunted I reckon, but now I've got a Nanocom I reckon I'll exorcise that particular poltergeist. Wish the EF was that good.

I agree with ozscott. Sell it and move on.

[Gerokent]

As one car jurno said regarding the D3, "the electronics were designed by Beelzebub"

[strangy]

Its a pig Rob.

Disco Muppett suggested you ask me about "Malfunctioning Eddie", so here you go http://www.aulro.com/afvb/discovery-2/179984-what-odds.html
Might make you feel better.
Incidentally I sold "Eddie" locally within a few months of that thread and it is still going happily in and out of remote places.

Sell?, wreck? So many variables. I had a friend with a D2 who insisted he maintained his vehicle regularly. After his rebuilt gearbox started to have shift issues after 180k I asked when he changed the oil. He said never and followed that he never changed the oil in any of his other cars why should this be any different:eek:l
4 engine oil changes over that time and that was it from him. Topping up fluids adding fuel and driving was his idea of maintenance.
Seems you bought a vehicle from someone like him.

I loved my D2 (not Eddie) , so much so, I grafted all the electrics and auto into the Defender.
Im not concerned at all for its reliability or longivity.

[rob tilbury]

I would never sell it i would destroy it , i dont hate them enough to sell them this car ,,, its crap ,,,
I should have known better i drove a brand new one in 2001 and it stopped out side the dealership ,, ?????
I hate this car with a passion ,,$10,000 so far and a piece of crap ,,,
Its insured for $6000 ,,

[rob tilbury]

I pulled out the Icar checker and his gearbox showed more faults that a 5 cent pokie ,,,,
he was the same he hate it

[ozscott]

Sell it mate. It's driving you crazy. Get a carby 3500 County or similar. Cheers

[rob tilbury]

strangy <
In a really sad demented way i dont feel as bad now ?
Sounds like my D2 is a pearler compared to that one ,,,,,

How does one loose a "SUMP PLUG"
I have been a mechanic since the mid 80`s
never had one fall out ?

[sheerluck]

strangy <
In a really sad demented way i dont feel as bad now ?
Sounds like my D2 is a pearler compared to that one ,,,,,

How does one loose a "SUMP PLUG"
I have been a mechanic since the mid 80`s
never had one fall out ?

Oil pump bolt. A known failure point for TD5s where the oil pump intake bolt was not graced with a bit of Loctite at birth, so it works it's way loose, and no more oil circulates.

[Pippin]

The teething troubles of buying a D2 that has not been looked after well. They will pass. Having said that I'm fed up with mine as it hasn't missed a major beat for nearly 3 years (At the risk of bringing the D2 gods down on me) what am I supposed to do with my time. But it is only a low milage vehicle with 451,000K on the clock, what more can I expect. Yes sure I had the trans rebuilt at 300,000 and put on a Turner head about 3 years ago, plus the usual things that any brand of vehicle will need. Don't despair if you keep it you will end up like me with a great car that goes like it's new at 15 years of age.
Nick

[ozscott]

Got some room again in the inbox Rob if you want to resend. Cheers

[Tins]

Why can't you see that it isn't all about LR, and is probably all about YOU. Most people on this forum have a good relationship with their cars. If this is a concept that you find difficult, then perhaps the Toyota route would suit you best.
However, if you think that A: nothing will go wrong. and B: there will be a community there 24/7 to help you out when A turns out to be untrue, then you are seriously mistaken.
I wish you well with your endeavours, and hope that you choose to stay in the LR fold.

[Bytemrk]

Rob, maybe this thing is just a Friday afternoon build... or as Strangy said, was "maintained" by someone whose idea do maintenance was washing it twice a year.

Before my current D4 I had a V8 D2 and a TD5 D2a.... both did hundreds of thousands of trouble free Km - yes they had the odd problem - but I maintained them religiously - including preventative maintenance on well known issues.

Obviously you don't need to go far to hear stories of unreliable D2's .... but they are definitely not all like that.

I think most of us here have some passion for their Land Rover(s).... if yours is turning to Hate... maybe it is time to look for a different one ...;)

[rob tilbury]

Thats true mark , Im sure there not all bad ,
I have heard or a few that have been great cars ,
I have had 3 ,, a D1 and this is my second D2 ,,
the D1 was a great car 3.9 never missed a beat apart from a fuel pump ,, the first D2 caught fire in the back yard ( just sitting there ) we weren't even home ( no insurance ??as was off the road we were over seas
the rang rovers i have had have all been top cars i have has S1 S2a and S3 land rover ,,loved them all ..
i believe the dramas with this one is the previous owner ,, he lied from day one ,,,
funny i purchased it from here and then the member left the group ?? Go figure .
anyhow it will get sorted ,, it will become a good car or a wrecker ,,,,
Either way its cool .

[AllTerr]

I've had mine almost a year now. Bought it with 260k on it and put 10k km on it so far. Only things I have had to do so far is injector harness and a front hub replacement. It still goes like new and I love it. Apparently it was been religiously maintained by the previous owner, as we met relatives of his on last years Amphitheatre trip who recognised the car.