Portable Fridges

[slaughts]

G'day,
I'm looking at buying a portable fridge for camping. Up to now used eskys having to replace the ice every day or so. Any way I've been looking at the Waeco fridges of about 80 lt or the 110lt. Would like the 110lt but it want fit in the boot of the Commodore. I don't think Engel have anything up to that size and if they do it would be a hell of a lot dearer. Might do a poll on this but please tell me your thoughts of what you consider the best fridges are and what options I might have. Thought about running power lead from car to trailer although some times I take the boat instead with all the gear in there.

[rangieman]

well engle and waeco as far as i know run the same compressor only prob is waeco have a plastic case engle are metal . ive had my engle 4 years no probs your choice waeco is alot cheaper !

[incisor]

engel use their own swing motor and they are a bit noisier in the bigger models than the waeco which use danfoss bits if my memory serves me rightly

the engel works better in advrse conditions as a general rule. they work better when no where near level and in extremely hot areas.

i have heard horror stories about both brands and really good stories about both..

my 60l sits at 0 degrees on the 1.5 setting out of 5

it gets to -10 degrees in about 30 -40 minutes from > 30+ degrees room temp.

never done a similar test on a waeco.

[Slunnie]

I think the EvaKool is the pick of the bunch, though the lid lock is rubber. It has the Danfross compressor which is more efficient than that used in the Engel, and the body of the fridge is the same as that used in the EvaKool eskys. As a guide, the Esky only will keep ice for 2.5 weeks in the desert, over a week up at Fraser between Xmas and New years. Add a fridge compressor and its a great unit.

On the halfway setting the EvaKool starts freezing.

[disconut]

I have had my Engel for 10 years and no problems. My wife has a small Waeco for her Golf. Had a Waeco in the last Caravan also.
Both types work fine. I guess the Waeco wont dent! Your choice. One is older proven technology, the other is a newer type with what I believe to be a more energy efficient compressor and or motor system. (read that somewhere in a 4x4 mag).

Trev.

[110county]

gday all

you probably have all seen the waeco website but for those after a bargain go to www.fridgeshop.com they are the australian waeco distributer and sell factory seconds fridges quite cheap (new with warranty), I got my cf50 for about $700 with bag and warranty (no problems yet).

Check it out

Luke

[one_iota]

I have a Waeco cf40 fridge/freezer and it works well after a dedicated power supply was installed. It doesn't hold enough beer though :wink:

The choice of unit depends on what you need:

If I was going out on a long trip then the freezer is a necessity but frozen beer is bad. So I would think about a unit that had two sections (freezer and fridge) or travel with someone who uses their's as a freezer and your's as a fridge.

[CraigE]

I have had my 60litre Engel for about 8 years now and have not had any problems. Chills really well and has lotd of room. It does take up a lot of room but with a family is great and there is always enough cold beer or bourbon. The Waecos look good value for money, but I dont like the plastic and I reckon the handles would not be that hard to break. Having said that at the right price!!!

[Gidget]

i have a waeco 110l which I have had around 2 years & have been very impressed wih it, so much so I brought a 50l for day trips & to take in the boat.
The waeco has a dunfoss compessor the same as evakool, trail blazer & there is a couple more, they all use thew same, exept the engel, which uses the swing motor.
as for running on obscure angles I have spoken to the waeco rep befoe I purchased mine & have tested it on more than 1 ocasion, they will run on an angle 45 degress or more but it is not recomended to park them on extreme angles like that over night becase the motor can't circulate the oil to lubricate itself properly.
Anyway plastic dosn't rust when you scratch it.

Hope I helped

[LBudgie]

as anouther option, i have a Autofridge.
I think it great. The best thing about it is the inside of it is smoth without a cooling coil to get stuff stuck behind. It has fluid in the shell which cools the four sides of the box, therefor eliminating stuf freezing on one side of the fridge and being warm on the other, Means all the stubies around the sides of the box are cooled not just the ones next to the coil.You wont regret .
Thanks
Lbudgie

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Another creator of noise interference is our Evakool fridge, which uses a Danfoss compressor. According to Doug Taylor of Lake Macquarie Communications in Newcastle, all makes of portable fridges using Danfoss compressors produce noise to the extent that it renders the radio unusable whilst the compressor is running and this is certainly the case with our set up. To get around this problem we have installed a switch inside the vehicle cabin so we can turn off the fridge if needed when using the radio. Doug says that as the Engle range does not use Danfoss compressors, they do not cause noise interference in the radio.[/b][/quote]

Something to think about if you use a HF radio.

http://www.boilingbilly.com.au/exploreaust...by4wd/codan.htm (http://www.boilingbilly.com.au/exploreaustraliaby4wd/codan.htm)

[weeds]

I have two engels, a 32L and a 40L, no problems with either. A mate bought a factory seconds waeco (around the 60L) from the waeco site i think, saved some $$$ and he is happy. Another mate gets his custom made in Briz, cannot remember the name, it runs the danfoss motor, made out of fibreglass, he has just downsized due to his new vehicle once again he is happy.

I think if you stick to one of the main brands you won't have a problem, they all use the same motor/technology.

Good luck with your purchase, its beat the hell out of ice. I don't think I could ever go back to eskies and ice.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

We have a new Engel 40litre. We went this way because it was a brand with a good reliability record. I figured that if your fridge breaks in the middle of the desert your going to be an unhappy camper 8O Also, the Engel 40l was a little more compact than some of the other brands.

I didn't vote as I have no experience with the other brands. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Slunnie]

It seems everybody is happy with whatever they bought.

[knuts2au]

Have worked on both Engel and Waeco and some SouthAfrican ones imported by a Perth Dealer. Must say i like the Waeco features, Turbo cool, low battery cut-out,plastic case, but the compressor complained if it was on an angle.I just wonder it they will last as good as the old Engels that are still going. The South African ones (can't remember the name) were just dodgy.

[RoverOne]

I took my first Engel (Yellow) to Cape York in 1971 and never missed a beat right up to 1993 when it was lifted (stolen) out of my old Rangie (poxy pop up rear window wouldn't lock properly) :evil:

My current Engel (Grey) 40 litre replacement, has never lost a beat also (12 years) and is on almost every week and heaps of 2-4 week stints (I use to take lunch from home especially through summer months).

I have known a few members in club have had to return their Waeco's for faulty operating, and one I know had resulted in a melt down almost to the point of fire (but this was when they were just new on the market).

A good friend of mine raves about his Autofridge, which has only had to go back Twice For Repairs in 15 years :roll: :roll: :roll:

Also my business is the camping trade & many customers I know are reluctant to run Waeco because of return numbers, but are forced to one because of price... they are good value. I have one close friend that has not had one skerick of trouble with his and his gets used on many weekends away off road.

Steel does rust...but I've never seen a rusty Engel though unless abused but still working to the max.

I have seen a waywood BBQ plate pearce an Autofridge fibre glass body knocking it out of commission as it leaked to a standstill :oops:

Value for money have to be the esky type like Evacool but anything made of plastic/fibreglass only time will tell in twenty years if they will stand up to the pounding, as the steel bodied Engel have proven themselves over 40 years of existence & still going strong.

I think you'll find Engel repair network accross Australia is superior as well when needed.

Anyway my two bobs worth

Cheers
Bryce

[BMac]

What about three way fridges?

I got a "Companion" 40 ltr and mostly run it on gas when camping. Its good but it helps alot in summer if you freeze meat etc before you load up and go.

My biggest problem with it is the build quality - like it was assembled by a blind drunk monkey, and the plastic warped a bit in indirect sunlight. The gas tap broke on the first one within 10 months, and the replacement fridge ( a new one ) looks like the monkey is now doing drugs style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif . The igniter is positioned incorrectly so wont light the gas ( have to do it with a cig lighter) and the exhaust is positioned to far from the hole in the top of the case ( it made a new hole )

Are there better units out there?

Bruce.

[Redback]

Well i reckon the 3 ways are the best, we have an electrolux 3 way caravan type in the camper, came out of a 1974 Cub drifter campertrailer and she's still going strong, also have a 35lt Waeco as well in the car, we use it as an extra freezer for our camping food when at home, and for food and drinks when out 4WDriving too, i love it.

[incisor]

they are good, but not that good... too many if's or buts when on gas and 12v ...

gotta keep em level, gotta have decent ventilation...and usually very hard on the 12v supply...

i use ne as a day fridge on long stop overs...

[seqfisho]

Ive had 2, first one went with the last Defender :evil: a mistake otherwise I would have still had it.

2nd one still going strong, 8yrs now style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif got it from the old man, he bought a Waeco about 4 yrs ago cause it was lighter and has had no probs with it.

If I was buying now would probably go Waeco just because of price

:roll:

[George130]

I have an old 3 way I am cleaning up. Can't tell what brand but it does work on mains power. I still need to reconnect the gas as the nut who I got it from was running it and the stove in an old campervan with engine hoses and gaffa tape making up the gass supplies. 8O :roll:
It and the stove were also very ferral. Never cleaned? While I'm on it does any one know the best way to deal with a striped thread on a gas stove? If I can fix it then I will have a camping stove with 2 burners, grill and the kitchen sink!

[abaddonxi]

Originally posted by George130
I have an old 3 way I am cleaning up. Can't tell what brand but it does work on mains power. I still need to reconnect the gas as the nut who I got it from was running it and the stove in an old campervan with engine hoses and gaffa tape making up the gass supplies. 8O :roll:
It and the stove were also very ferral. Never cleaned? While I'm on it does any one know the best way to deal with a striped thread on a gas stove? If I can fix it then I will have a camping stove with 2 burners, grill and the kitchen sink!

How about you solder on an extension to the stripped end, the solder will seal the stripped thread end and the new end can go on the tank.


Cheers

Smion.

[George130]

Smion thats along the lines of what I was thinking. I was going to ask a mate to welp a new pipe on the end with the new thread but I wasn't sure of the rules for doing this sort of thing correctly.

[RoverOne]

Originally posted by George130
Smion thats along the lines of what I was thinking. I was going to ask a mate to welp a new pipe on the end with the new thread but I wasn't sure of the rules for doing this sort of thing correctly.

Sounds an easy job, but I'd feel better having a gas fitter to do it for me for peace of mind, has to be one in ACT somewhere. Only takes a tiny leak to spell disaster :oops:

Actually theres at least six in Yass try Grant Brewer I know his family in Marulan.

Cheers
Bryce

[abaddonxi]

Originally posted by George130
Smion thats along the lines of what I was thinking. I was going to ask a mate to welp a new pipe on the end with the new thread but I wasn't sure of the rules for doing this sort of thing correctly.

Hey Edd

That'd be the sensible man's way of doing things adn I wish I had your sense.

If you don't already have the bits adn bobs it would probably cost the same to get the local plumber/gasfitter to do it.

Either way, cheap if that's all it costs you to get the fridge.

I picked up an electrolux ammonia fridge for nothing recently.
I couldn't get it to run on 12v and it draws about 650w, so too much for my 300w inverter, so no go at the moment.

cheers

Simon

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">whats an ammonia fridge....?</span>

[abaddonxi]

[quote=DEFENDERZOOK]<span style="color:blue">whats an ammonia fridge....?</span>

Ammonia fridge uses ammonia vapour as coolant rather than that stuff that all the other fridges use. Difference is that you use a heater to vapourise the ammonia rather than compressor.

Much more robust, much quieter.

Or something like that. For a better explanation see here.
http://www.nh3tech.org/absorption.html

Cheers
Simon

[slaughts]

Thanks guys for the advice. Engel certainly seams to have the popular backing but it is stilll hard to beat the price of Waeco. I had thought about 3 way fridges but they don't seem to come in a big size. Any way still looking at the 110lt waeco that want fit in the boot but thought i would buy a battery for it to put in the trailer with it. Not sure which is the better option for this though, waeco have there own or go with a deep cycle one.

[rick130]

don't use an absorbtion frig in an off roader. They aren't as efficient as a vapour compression type (compressor), are much more sensitive to higher ambients, extremely sensitive to levels (or lack of) and take a lot longer to pull down when first turned on.
Also, you don't want to be near one if it ever springs a leak. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

When left for long periods unused, the ammonia, bromine and water stratifies necessitating them to be re-mixed. You find this out when you turn it on and eight hours later it is still warm inside. :x
There is a specific procedure for an Electrolux, but in a nutshel, you tip it upside down and shake the bejesus out of it !
I've had to do this to a number over the years, always prefaced with a call to my old man (who was an Electrolux agent when I was a kid) on how to do it :oops:
I've had a couple of customers tell me they needed a new absorbtion unit, according to a nearby gas frig specialist, yet the things have worked fine after a proper shakeup, with one travelling all over Oz for a number of years after.

FWIW, friends and relly's swear by their Engels.
Never had a camping frig, so can't really comment, and each style has their pros and cons, eg eutectic vs static evaporator, etc, but a personal bias after designing and servicing refrigeration systems on and off over quite a number of years is go for the one with the thickest, highest density insulation. This should correspond to the lowest current draw/24 hours

[VladTepes]

I know more people with Engels than Waecos.
On the other hand, Engels have been around for longer.


ENGEL
Pros
Robust
Reputation for longevity

Cons
Heavier
More expensive



WAECO
Pros
Lighter
Less expensive

Cons
Possibly less robust ?



Things to take into account:

Weight cannot be underestimated. Your wife or girlfriend will probably prefer a Waeco for this reason.

Newer versions of both brands are coming out with inbuilt 240V transformers, but older ones will need an external t/former to run on 240V.

Large ones are becoming more available in these brands - Engel is releasing an 80L fridge but at just under 2 large it's not cheap !

Seeing what happened to my fibreglass esky bouncing around on ungraded Fraser Island roads, I wouldn't consider getting a fibreglass esky/fridge. Just my opinion.

[Greylandy]

Originally posted by knuts2au
Have worked on both Engel and Waeco and some SouthAfrican ones imported by a Perth Dealer. Must say i like the Waeco features, Turbo cool, low battery cut-out,plastic case, but the compressor complained if it was on an angle.I just wonder it they will last as good as the old Engels that are still going. The South African ones (can't remember the name) were just dodgy.

Peter, are you referring to the National Luna made in South-Africa? I've actually heard good things about them and they outsell Waeco by a country mile in the Republic.

[amtravic1]

I have an Autofridge and an Engel Both are around 15 years old. In my opinion the Auto fridge is well woth the extra cost.

[George130]

I have cut the damaged part of the thread off and now just need to clean the thread up a little. Hopefully after that I am set to go.

[Bushie]

Which make is the best??

Probably not the best question, sort of along the lines of which is best Toyota or Nissan and we all know the answer - Neither.

I have a Waeco and it does the job for me, although it had to go back for repairs a couple of years ago (kept freezing everything).

Time will be what tells, Engel have been arounbd for a long time and have a well deserved good reputation, unfortunately that is no guarentee they will always be that good.

Waeco are the (relative) newcomers only time will tell.

Prior to the Waeco I used an Electrolux 3 way that was 20+ years old (and returned me $250 when I sold it). The last Simpson trip proved it was not up to the task in 40+ temps and it really struggled to keep things cool (no hope with cold), but as a fridge if you were stopping in one spot for a few days and could run it on gas then provided it wasn't real hot it performed fine. Keeping them level is pretty easy with a spot bubbble and a few stepped wedges.


Bushie

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">can anyone explain to me why it is so critical to have the lpg fridges so level.....?

i dont know how they work and why it is so crucial....</span>

[PhilipA]

When on gas the flame from the gas burner heats the gas and causes it to rise in a spiral "chimney" on top of the gas burner. If it is uneven some parts of the chimney get hot and others cool and the gas does not rise and expand and vapourise correctly.
So it does not then condense and pump the heat into the air via the fins at the back.
IMHO It is not so important on 12 or 240 volts as they have heaters inside the chimney, but the mechanism is the same.

By the way , I found that a computer fan fitted inside the back cover trained on the fins made the 12 volt performance much better on my old "Groen" (Electrolux). It would make a little ice even.
The main reason they have poor performance on 12 volts is that the heater is only 100W on 12 volts to keep the amps manageable vs 1000W on 240V.
Regards Philip A

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">thanks buddy....now it makes some sort of sense to me.....
ands its quite a simple principal come to think of it......

</span>

[rick130]

also the angle of the reactor (the big cylinder thing on the back) and associated piping is faily critical to operation.

Get a conventional frig compressor on too great an angle, and it will starve the bearings of oil (in some designs) as the bearings are only splash fed and the oil capacity not that great. It's only when you get into larger commercial systems that compressors have an oil pump and the bearings are pressure fed.

[VladTepes]

Good timing :!:

Current Issue (December 2005) of Australian 4WD Monthly has a "giant fridge comparo".

This looks at various brands of fridges, and does not state "this one is best" (because everyone has different needs) though it does look like a useful read for someone in the market. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[x-box]

Have a look at the new 4X4Monthly, has a test of 13 fridges in it, small ones and large (80l). From what I've seen there I reckon the Evakool is the go, although Engel and Waeco are also ok. Engel has a huge reputation and rightly so, but it was built on the older models with the danfoss compressor - not the new swing motor :? .

Louis

[Slunnie]

Yep, go the Evacool. 8) Just watch the rubber latches for the lid.

[VladTepes]

I have an esky with those rubber latches and they self destriuct way too easily.

[incisor]

evakool have way too many problems for me to evatouch one.

i know one guy who went thru three before demanding his money back....

their esky's are great, have had a 60ltr for ages and i wouldnt swap it for quids....

their fridges are not in the same league unfortunetly IMHO.

another friends 60ltr evakool uses more amps per day than my engel

we set them both up to chill to 0 deg using the same digital thermo and with his data logger setup to measure amps used the engel was more effecient even with the bag off.

[Utemad]

I bought a Waeco CF-80 but have extensively used an Engel 32 and an 80 S/S Combo.

The Engels are certainly stronger so when they get bashed around in the back of a work ute that is a good thing. However I bought the Waeco myself as I look after my things. The Waeco in this size is also infinately more practical. It weighs half (25kg compared to 50kg) and has the removable divider so you have more configuration ptions. Not locked into any one configuration.

I paid about $1050 including the 240v power pack for the Waeco CF-80. Work paid $930-970? for the 32L Engel and $1999 for the S/S 80L Engel Combo.

I'd get a Waeco again (but this one will last forever :roll:). I can't see the point in paying double and getting less function with more strength if you are going to look after it anyway.

[RoverOne]

I know a couple of guys with Limack Fridge made out of S/S & have seperate freezer compartment & other than the cost I've not heard a bad report.

They are made in Australia & a bit hard to find in retailers, see a lot at shows (or used to).

Trailblaza made in QLD is an excellant fridge also, the VIC guy who makes Dingo Doza roof tents has one in the back of his F100 ute in full sun & it never lets him down & things stay cold or frozen all day and made of aircraft grade alloy. I doubt any other on the maket would function this way in full exposed sun & still have frozen stuff at the end of the day 8) but you pay for it, wall thickness is around 50mm.

Cheers
Bryce

[Maggot4x4]

Originally posted by VladTepes+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VladTepes)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Newer versions of both brands are coming out with inbuilt 240V transformers, but older ones will need an external t/former to run on 240V.
[/b]

Engels have had this for as long as I can remember.

<!--QuoteBegin-RoverOne
I doubt any other on the maket would function this way in full exposed sun & still have frozen stuff at the end of the day 8) [/quote]

A mate of mine has had his 60L Engel fixed to the back of his Cruiser tray back for the last 10-15 years, he's a builder so it's on all day every, completely uncovered and exposed to the elements. Never had a problem with stuff not being cold or frozen, and he has done the simpson and canning more than once..

[VladTepes]

Looked in bloody BCF the other day and it appears to me the Engels aren't as 'solid' as they once were. ?

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">bcf....?</span>

[VladTepes]

BCF = "boating, camping, fishing" a store owned by supercheap.
Used to be campmart which I loved BUT now its has heaps of fishing gear (which is fine) heaps of boating gear (which isn't - that's what boat shops are for) and much LESS camping gear :twisted:

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">duh...ok.....

it makes sense now.....</span>

[weeds]

vlad wrote
[/quote]it appears to me the Engels aren't as 'solid' as they once were. ?[quote]

I have two engles one purchased this year and the other about 7 years ago and reckon they are as solid as each other. Over this time they have made some improvements - the hinge setup (although a circlip to stop it sliding sideways would be good), temp gauge (currently the gauge stays on 24hr as it has its own internal battery, apparently this is being changed so that it flashes every few seconds to extend the battery life, just changed my battery after 10 months easy but annoying) and auto voltage sensing (i.e. can have both 12V and 240V connected at once and will automatically switch to 240V when available, the instructions says to turn the thermostat off prior to connect 240V than turn back on, Britz don't tell the customers this so it doesn't seem to bother the fridge).

I was in at Springers (12V Shop) at Brendale on Friday quizzing them about my solar setup and they indicated the Engles are no longer made in Japan, must check mine to see if it says what country it is made in. I wonder when they will reduce the prices if they are now using slave labour to build them.

GO THE ENGLE

[crump]

Bought a Waeco 40L 3 years ago because it was cheap and gave me a couple of hundred spare to spend on other stuff in the shop, over the Engel.Its sat behind the drivers seat on the floor now for 30000kms, mainly on trips(ie dirt roads) and had no dramas with it, dont know how that casing will hold up long term though.

[weeds]

Yep, must agree the waeco is value for money and a mate snapped one up off there web site 'a factory second' 12 months ago. if i was a first time fridge buyer i would probably buy a waeco, I brought my second engle as my first 32L has been trouble free for six years and I wanted the narrowist for my draw setup..

[VladTepes]

weeds I THINK both the Waeco and Engel are made in China these days.

as is almost everything else.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by weeds
- the hinge setup (although a circlip to stop it sliding sideways would be good),
GO THE ENGLE



<span style="color:blue">
go to your nearest engel dealer and enquire about a hinge lock clip...
they are available and they are bloody fantastic......
you just need to press on it to remove the lid.....

its just a plastic spacer for one hinge and a clip for the other....
i got mine for nothing from the engel guys at the last 4wd show....</span>

[weeds]

thanks zook, I will have to chase a hinge clip down, the latch might survive a little longer as the better half can never work out why yhr latch does not line up

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">i got sick of having to refit the lid every time my handbrake or the tin lids opened the fridge....

with the emphasis on EVERY......</span>

[RoverOne]

Originally posted by Maggot4x4+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Maggot4x4)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by VladTepes@

Newer versions of both brands are coming out with inbuilt 240V transformers, but older ones will need an external t/former to run on 240V.


Engels have had this for as long as I can remember.

<!--QuoteBegin-RoverOne
I doubt any other on the maket would function this way in full exposed sun & still have frozen stuff at the end of the day 8)

A mate of mine has had his 60L Engel fixed to the back of his Cruiser tray back for the last 10-15 years, he's a builder so it's on all day every, completely uncovered and exposed to the elements. Never had a problem with stuff not being cold or frozen, and he has done the simpson and canning more than once..[/b][/quote]

Thats great, confirms then that Engel are probably overall the best fridge going then, as I've seen the "plastic" ones go out of shape under too much direct sun.

Cheers
Bryce

[Rosco]

They're both great jobs IMHO ... it's just that the Engels are way way over priced.

Also, as I understand it ... and of course I may well have it wrong.

Waeco has been around a lot longer than Engel, just not in Oz.

Cheers

[RoverOne]

Originally posted by Rosco
They're both great jobs IMHO ... it's just that the Engels are way way over priced.

Also, as I understand it ... and of course I may well have it wrong.

Waeco has been around a lot longer than Engel, just not in Oz.

Cheers

Waeco fridges was established in 1974 in Germany for mobile truck refrigeration, then "years" later making air conditioning & auto mobile refrigeration (12 volt car fridges). I must say though looking at their 2004 catalogue a much more diverse range of product but not all available in Australia unlike Engel what they make you can buy here.

Engel in 2004 celebrated their 40th year in Australia (1964) my first was 1971, the company trace their origins to WW2.

I am glad that you are wrong though style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif :wink:

Yes Engel are more expensive but looking at construction techniques I can understand why, Autofridge is that much dearer again & Limack & Trailblazer that much dear than Autofridge but you get what you pay for.

Cheers
Bryce

[slaughts]

I have puchased a Waeco 110lt fridge, got the 36 amp/hr battery, RAPS wiring kit for the car and the adaptor for 240v plus a 55lt waeco esky for $1750 dollars. Actually menaged to get two promotional kits for less than the cost all the extra bits added on would have costed. Picking it all up this afternoon style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif 8)

[weeds]

110L nice size, you will be asking yourself why didn't i do it earlier, no more ice and eskies