Transfer Case assistance.

[Trolley]

Hello all.

My beloved D2 '03 td5 auto is in trouble. I stupidly neglected to do oil change on t case and let it run to almost dry. It slipped out of drive the other day and despite my being able to change gears freely it wont go in to drive.

Towed to mechanic who tells me t case is issue - no oil and metal shavings when plug pulled. They want $3.4K for rebuild and I cant justify that on a 13 year old car.

My questions are:

1. Worth refilling with atf and seeing if it will work?
2. If i buy new t case, anything special I need to replace alongside it? Seals and bearings for example?
3. Anyone selling t case?

Thanks so much guys and gals.

[AllTerr]

Pm Ken (Outback 1). He wrecks D2's and I'm sure he can help you out. Check the Wrecking Notices subsection in Marketplace section

[sierrafery]

And better not put ATF in the transfer box, 75W90 oil like in the diffs is needed

[rob tilbury]

when mine went bang first thing i looked at was the flex plate ,, was cracked but the box was stuffed ,,

[rob tilbury]

take the back plate off and see if the gearbox output shaft spins when in gear ( Transfer in neutral and wheels chocked real well I have seen the splines worn off on the output shaft

[DazzaTD5]

Hello all.

My beloved D2 '03 td5 auto is in trouble. I stupidly neglected to do oil change on t case and let it run to almost dry. It slipped out of drive the other day and despite my being able to change gears freely it wont go in to drive.

Towed to mechanic who tells me t case is issue - no oil and metal shavings when plug pulled. They want $3.4K for rebuild and I cant justify that on a 13 year old car.

My questions are:

1. Worth refilling with atf and seeing if it will work?
2. If i buy new t case, anything special I need to replace alongside it? Seals and bearings for example?
3. Anyone selling t case?

Thanks so much guys and gals.

While what a repair shop charges for any given job is their business..... that price is way out the ball park, your options are:

*First off id suggest find a local indy Land Rover repairer and get some prices and get it towed to them. (because the moment I hear prices that are just way too out there, I simply dont believe there is any trust to be given).
*Buy a used one, $600 (I sell used, add $100 for the shipping crate and you organise the freight, but surely someone local is selling for similar money).
*Rebuild your existing one, ball park figures would be around $1600 - $1800 (if its rebuild-able, generally only isnt when the input gear set bearings have seized and been driven into the back of the transfer case housing).
*Get a rebuilt transfer case from Ashcroft Transmissions in the U.K and get someone locally to install it.

There are so many realistic options for your Discovery 2.... I dont believe $3400 is one of them....

Regards
Daz

[Tins]

There are so many realistic options for your Discovery 2.... I dont believe $3400 is one of them....

Regards
Daz

Hard to disagree. You could probably pick up a complete V8 car for that and part out the rest of it. The T/C would essentially cost nothing.

[Trolley]

Thanks so much for help everyone. The advice is unbelievably useful. As I'm sure you can imagine I almost passed out when they gave me that quote.

I will have a gander at ye old flex plate and see where I land wih that.

Otherwise I may chase someone for a tc.

Much much appreciated.

Aaron.

[cjc_td5]

Hello all.

My beloved D2 '03 td5 auto is in trouble. I stupidly neglected to do oil change on t case and let it run to almost dry. It slipped out of drive the other day and despite my being able to change gears freely it wont go in to drive.

Towed to mechanic who tells me t case is issue - no oil and metal shavings when plug pulled. They want $3.4K for rebuild and I cant justify that on a 13 year old car.

My questions are:

1. Worth refilling with atf and seeing if it will work?
2. If i buy new t case, anything special I need to replace alongside it? Seals and bearings for example?
3. Anyone selling t case?

Thanks so much guys and gals.

Hi Trolley.
You mention transfer case but then mention ATF and others talk of flex plates etc which are in the main box. Are you talking about the Transfer Box or Main Gearbox being stuffed??

Cheers
Chris

[Blknight.aus]

While what a repair shop charges for any given job is their business..... that price is way out the ball park, your options are:

*First off id suggest find a local indy Land Rover repairer and get some prices and get it towed to them. (because the moment I hear prices that are just way too out there, I simply dont believe there is any trust to be given).
*Buy a used one, $600 (I sell used, add $100 for the shipping crate and you organise the freight, but surely someone local is selling for similar money).
*Rebuild your existing one, ball park figures would be around $1600 - $1800 (if its rebuild-able, generally only isnt when the input gear set bearings have seized and been driven into the back of the transfer case housing).
*Get a rebuilt transfer case from Ashcroft Transmissions in the U.K and get someone locally to install it.

There are so many realistic options for your Discovery 2.... I dont believe $3400 is one of them....

Regards
Daz

3400 to remove rebuild and reinstall a Tcase is not that unrealistic (depending on location) for a drive in drive away service for a tcase thats been run without oil and requires every component to be replaced.

A reco box from mr auto can cost 1500ish, 2 day labour can go you $1200ish + workshop sundries + oils + other bits on the way in and out + shipping the box there.. and thats without rebuilding the box. as pointed out rebuilding the box can go $1800 in parts alone

But I would suggest that you should be able to get it done for as little as $1500 if you use a second hand box and find the right mechanic.

I would expect a more realistic price to be in the $22-2500 range including a one for one partial reco box but not including towing it in.

[PhilipA]

I recently had my 2002 LT230 removed and replaced for $700 labour which included deleaking the intermediate shaft and a new input shaft seal.

I guess the problem is that his is a 2003 which has a CDL and they are worth much more than a non CDL, although he could buy a non CDL box very cheaply on Ebay and add his CDL nose to it.

IMHO there would not be more than an hour to R&R the nose out of the car including swapping over the bearing..

IMHO this would be the best/cheapest approach for the OP.
Regards Philip A

[Trolley]

Hi Trolley.
You mention transfer case but then mention ATF and others talk of flex plates etc which are in the main box. Are you talking about the Transfer Box or Main Gearbox being stuffed??

Cheers
Chris

Hey mate.

I wasn't aware the flex plate wasn't associated with the t box, but I thought the t box oil was same as tranny. I will use the same oil as goes in the diffs when I fill her up.

My plan at this stage is to remove the handbrake assembly and check the condition of that spline in there. I will remove the cover plate too and check gears. If all looks okay I will fill it and see if it works. If broken, I will buy used t box and install with some mates who are tech savvy.

Thanks again everyone for the help.

[DazzaTD5]

I'd believe $3400 from a repair shop that hasnt done or dont do Land Rovers on a regular basis, but any decent indy, Id be really surprised at that price....

If the box has seized then there will be damage to the casing and wont be rebuild-able anyway, its unrealistic to replace every component if there is lots of damage, kick the box to the dirt and get another.

so even if a used box is sourced...
*$600 - used box.
*$1600 - rebuild it.
*$400 - Remove & fitting.

thats still only $2600

Regards
Daz

[DazzaTD5]

I recently had my 2002 LT230 removed and replaced for $700 labour which included deleaking the intermediate shaft and a new input shaft seal.

I guess the problem is that his is a 2003 which has a CDL and they are worth much more than a non CDL, although he could buy a non CDL box very cheaply on Ebay and add his CDL nose to it.

IMHO there would not be more than an hour to R&R the nose out of the car including swapping over the bearing..

IMHO this would be the best/cheapest approach for the OP.
Regards Philip A

You will likely find, as I do... there are more D2 transfer cases with the CDL than without, when I do exchange on a rebuilt transfer box I dont even bother to allow if the return box doesnt have the CDL, I've had 1 exchange box out of a dozen that didnt have a CDL.

Regards
Daz

[rob tilbury]

the flex has nothing to do with the TFB but if you are going to the trouble to pull the TFB off you amy as well see if the flex plate is cracked ,, mine was ,, it hadn't let go but when the TFB jumped out of High range and i put it back in ? hour later i was stranded ,, it was the gear box not the transfer box that went ,, when i removed the transfer box the out put shaft was worn and would have let go also ,,,so i replaced everything from the flex plate back ,
would have been a pita if changed the TFB then the flex plate went ,,,
= another tow and removal of the TFB and Gb again ,,, best do all at once if there is a drama

The pic below is what i seen after i removed the small round inspection plate under the flex plate

[Bohica]

The LT 230 rebuilt by Ashcroft is $863.23 (495 pounds) Not sure what shipping would be. less than $1,000 so I guess no GST.

[AK83]

I looked at that option too.
I think the price for shipping was a tad over AU$300 when I got to the final point in the basket.
But! .. you also have to take into account the return or exchange unit.
That adds at least $300 to the price(I think it was more).
That is, it'd cost you at least $300(most likely more) to return ship your old TC back to Ashcroft, or you pay the no exchange price at Ashcroft.
If you could get $300 for a dud TC case if you sold it here locally instead, then you could deduct it from the total price.

I wanted it quicker than the 2(or more) weeks it usually takes to ship by sea .. so I opted for the 4wd Industries version.
My TC had enough life left in it to get me from here to there, they fitted it and I had them do an (auto) trans service and check whatever else urgently needed fixing too.
I'm estimating that the TC case plus the option for the larger Roverdrive sump for it, plus about 4hr fitting cost about $2200-$2300 all up.
Hard to tell exactly as I had the auto service(say 1 hr) plus the rear drive shaft rubber coupling and drive belt and idler replaced too.
All up I had 6 hrs labour, rather than just the (est) 4 hrs for the TC alone.

[Bohica]

Apparently people here buy a trashed transfer case on ebay.co.uk and get that sent to Ashcroft.
More than 2 we weeks on a boat, more like 6.

[AK83]

I used to work for a transport depot, we once had a large parcel arrive in two weeks. That was at least 4-5 years ago now, and for the owner of the depot. Maybe he pulled a few strings.


Apparently people here buy a trashed transfer case on ebay.co.uk and get that sent to Ashcroft.
...
As long as it doesn't cost more than the 200 quid that Ashcroft deposit costs AND is regarded as serviceable by them .. makes sense.
But if you could get your deposit money plus a bit more from the sale of the old TC here in Aus .. either way it needs to be factored too.

[Tins]

You will likely find, as I do... there are more D2 transfer cases with the CDL than without, when I do exchange on a rebuilt transfer box I dont even bother to allow if the return box doesnt have the CDL, I've had 1 exchange box out of a dozen that didnt have a CDL.

Regards
Daz

When you consider the range that the LT 230 covered, I would imagine that less than 10% would be more than likely.

[Tins]

I looked at that option too.
I think the price for shipping was a tad over AU$300 when I got to the final point in the basket.
But! .. you also have to take into account the return or exchange unit.
That adds at least $300 to the price(I think it was more).
That is, it'd cost you at least $300(most likely more) to return ship your old TC back to Ashcroft, or you pay the no exchange price at Ashcroft.
If you could get $300 for a dud TC case if you sold it here locally instead, then you could deduct it from the total price.

I wanted it quicker than the 2(or more) weeks it usually takes to ship by sea .. so I opted for the 4wd Industries version.
My TC had enough life left in it to get me from here to there, they fitted it and I had them do an (auto) trans service and check whatever else urgently needed fixing too.
I'm estimating that the TC case plus the option for the larger Roverdrive sump for it, plus about 4hr fitting cost about $2200-$2300 all up.
Hard to tell exactly as I had the auto service(say 1 hr) plus the rear drive shaft rubber coupling and drive belt and idler replaced too.
All up I had 6 hrs labour, rather than just the (est) 4 hrs for the TC alone.

It is EXTREMELY important to do you're homework here. I got seriously burnt importing a gearbox from Ashcrofts. I've said it before, but i'll repeat it now, this was in no way the fault of Ashtrans. Every part of the transaction with them was flawless, and the R380 we got is superb. BUT, the pitfalls can kill. Many wiser heads than mine could perhaps advise.
Get it right, do the homework, and I would say that Dave and Joanne will see you right. Best folk, and best gear, in the business.
The gearbox landed here in about a week ( the info is in an old thread somewhere, I'll find it if you want ), and I doubt you will get a better box here. I recommend at least giving Ashtrans a call. Dave pops in to this forum sometimes, . I was very pleased that he would give advice, to someone on the other side of the world. Some folk think the other side of the street is difficult.
Cannot recommend highly enough.

[wardy1]

Hello all.

My beloved D2 '03 td5 auto is in trouble. I stupidly neglected to do oil change on t case and let it run to almost dry. It slipped out of drive the other day and despite my being able to change gears freely it wont go in to drive.

Towed to mechanic who tells me t case is issue - no oil and metal shavings when plug pulled. They want $3.4K for rebuild and I cant justify that on a 13 year old car.

My questions are:

1. Worth refilling with atf and seeing if it will work?
2. If i buy new t case, anything special I need to replace alongside it? Seals and bearings for example?
3. Anyone selling t case?

Thanks so much guys and gals.

Mine just went too. My own negligence the cause.
Toed to AMV and a second hand unit now being fitted. Under $1k😀. Pretty happy with that really

[AK83]

..... and I would say that Dave and Joanne will see you right. Best folk, and best gear, in the business.

.... I was very pleased that he would give advice, to someone on the other side of the world. Some folk think the other side of the street is difficult.
Cannot recommend highly enough.

apologies if I take this thread OT, but ...
Good to know.
I'm looking to get two of their ATB diffs(front and rear) for my D1.
I think that one of the previous owners must have towed something heavy.
It had an electric trailer brake doodad installed(I've removed), and the T/C went bang and pop about a month ago.
I'm concerned that at least the rear diff may be worn more than would be considered normal, so am planning.
I like the tech details of the Ashcroft ATB diffs, rather than full lockers(air or otherwise).

ps. I found your importing thread! LOL.
I think the leeches must have been affected by mad cows :P

[Geoff86RRC]

Blew mine
Got a refurb one for 2.5 fitted Repco Coffs Harbour Mike Mills-Thom
Don't fret the seals leak if not renewed and leak
Call MR AUTOMOTIVE Redcliffe qld or someone like that
4.5 is 2 too much
Spend 2 or 2.5 and enjoy your Landy and get the Tfr checked every oil change and if low renew seals
Cheers