D4 Wheels on Camper

[rhinosm]

Has anyone built or modified a trailer to take D4 wheels, 255/55/19
I am looking to build my version of an outback trailer.
I want to able to share spare wheels with D4.
I also need to include electric brakes on trailer.
I'm not having much luck getting an electric brake set up to suit D4 wheels.
Any info would be gratefully appreciated.
Cheers

[Ean Austral]

I tried it with D3 18" rims but my problem was the offset of the rim. I fitted 17" steel rims to the trailer and the car when I travel remote. I did manage to get the L/R stud pattern on a set of discs.

I gave up trying but that doesn't mean it's not possible. I don't have electric brakes only the override hyd type.

Proberly don't help your cause but that's my experience.

Cheers Ean

[LandyAndy]

Doeable but not so easy.
I have modified D2 wheels to suit the D2 I had at the time.It involved machining the centres out on the trailer rims,wich made them suitable for the D2 in an emergency only.
IF you have the modern independant trailer suspension you MAY get away with using a wheel spacer so the wheel fits over the nose of the trailer hub.
There is conflicting advice as to the legality of wheel spacers on a trailer,definately illegal on vehicles.
I have kept my D4 wheels just incase I use them with spacers on the camper trailer.
Andrew

[shanegtr]

I've thought about using the front bearing/hub assembly and then using the original front disks and calipers for braking with an electric/hydraulic controller. Not really a cheap way to go and would take a bit of mucking around on my setup to get right.

[NTB]

When we purchased a Lifestyle Camper Trailer AT12 I looked into the whole LR hub issue on the Vehicle Components Single Axial Cruise Master Coil 2500kg. It could not be done at the time for a number of reasons.

I went with the standard 6 Stud Toyota/Nissan PCD as these are very popular. I then had a second wheel carrier installed on the caravan to carry a second LR Spare Wheel.

I have no complaints with the Cruise Master setup and the second LR Spare on the caravan.

[Michael2]

Is it a 2.7l or 3.0l D4?

I'm told the 2.7l can take a 17" rim from a BMW, which might make matching it to the trailer easier. It will also help with tyre selection and cost.

[Konradical]

I am also keen on this idea.

We have a Jayco Dove and thought that I could at the very worst have three extra spares by setting the van up with the LR hub.

Being that it's a 5x120, the same as a Commodore, is there a 12" braked hub out there?

What would the offset normally be on a Triton/LC rim?

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[rhinosm]

I attended Melbourne Caravan Show at Melbourne Showgrounds today.
We have ordered a Patriot Camper which we collect this week.
I spoke to Mark from Melbourne Trailer & Caravan Supplies today.
The Patriot has 10" Dexter electric brakes, with eight Nissan or Toyota stud patterns.
Mark said he has blank hubs he can drill to suit D4, 5 x 120.
He's done it a number of times.
I will get a quote and decide.
http://melbournetrailers.com.au

[Redback]

The standard AL-KO hubs will not except D3/D4/RRS alloy rims, because the D4 alloy rim is tapered and will not sit flat on the hub, I know this because I and others here have tried, I had to buy steel rims to fit to our camper, I now have 3 D3 rims sitting in the shed as extra spares now for when I damage a rim offroad.

The only alloys you can fit to AL-KO hubs that fit the D4 as well are BMW X5 in 17" as far as I know.

If you really want an extra spare for the car, get steels rims in 5 x 120 and fit tyres so that the rolling diameter is the same as your D4 19s, then you'll be able to use them on the D4, which is what we have done.

[rhinosm]

Hi Redback
I'm not sure what you mean in reference to "the D4 alloy rim is tapered and will not sit flat on the hub."
I have laid a steel ruler across inside of wheels and they are perfectly flat.
There is plenty of clearance for 10" hub.
Am I missing something?

[Graeme]

The alloy's spigot hole is too small.

[weeds]

Didn't I read Kimberly Kampers have it as an option??

[LandyAndy]

Didn't I read Kimberly Kampers have it as an option??

Correct,they custom make their hubs to suit Discovery/Range Rover clients.I bet you cant buy the hubs alone.
A mate has a full on Kimberly Karavan,awesome bit of kit,very expensive.Dearer than a 20" off-road van.
Takes minutes to set up.
Andrew

[Chops]

I attended Melbourne Caravan Show at Melbourne Showgrounds today.
We have ordered a Patriot Camper which we collect this week.
I spoke to Mark from Melbourne Trailer & Caravan Supplies today.
The Patriot has 10" Dexter electric brakes, with eight Nissan or Toyota stud patterns.
Mark said he has blank hubs he can drill to suit D4, 5 x 120.
He's done it a number of times.
I will get a quote and decide.
http://melbournetrailers.com.au


Ohh hello,,,you cant just leave it like that,,, come on, spill the beans, what did you get?[bigsmile]

Pics, story, new thread [bigsmile]

[LandyAndy]

The stud pattern is easy,VE holden is an exact match.
The issue is the Land Rover alloys have a small centre bore that wont go over all the generic hubs.
Andrew

[rhinosm]

So here it is, ready to go.
The current wheels/tyres are 285/75/16 with an offset of 10.
As we all know D4 wheels are 255/55/19 with an offset of 57mm.
A little investigation required to see if the while be ok or rub on chassis.
Looks like handbrake cable is main concern.

[Redback]

So here it is, ready to go.
The current wheels/tyres are 285/75/16 with an offset of 10.
As we all know D4 wheels are 255/55/19 with an offset of 57mm.
A little investigation required to see if the while be ok or rub on chassis.
Looks like handbrake cable is main concern.

Actually D4 wheels have a negitive offset with a 57mm back space(sorry for being pedantic) in any case D4 rims won't fit AL-KO hubs unless you grind out the centre hole, even though both the hub and rim have a flat surface, the hub has a taper down to that flat surface, this and the centre hole size is what prevents the rim from sitting flat on the hub.

BMW X5 19s may fit both the camper and car, but I'm not 100% sure.

[rhinosm]

Found these adaptor plates online, USA.
Large range of adaptors.

2 WHEEL ADAPTERS 6X5.5 TO 5X4.75 | USE 5 LUG WHEELS ON 6 LUG TRUCK – Wheel Adapters USA (https://wheeladaptersusa.com/collections/6-to-5-lug/products/2-wheel-adapters-6x5-5-to-5x4-75-use-5-lug-wheels-on-6-lug-car-2-thick-14x1-5)

I have calculated these would work perfectly on our Patriot Camper, taking into account offset etc.

[Graeme]

4.75" is not exactly 120mm and LR nuts are rather snug fit in the rims.

[DiscoKym]

Check out my thread.

Matching wheels proof of concept (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/trailers-vans-and-campers/248633-matching-wheels-proof-concept.html)

I got mine from Wheel Mods Australia and they have the rim centering spigots. Just have to ask for your rim size.

http://www.wheelmods.com.au/

They are engineered so OK for trailers.

[Redback]

Found these adaptor plates online, USA.
Large range of adaptors.

2 WHEEL ADAPTERS 6X5.5 TO 5X4.75 | USE 5 LUG WHEELS ON 6 LUG TRUCK – Wheel Adapters USA (https://wheeladaptersusa.com/collections/6-to-5-lug/products/2-wheel-adapters-6x5-5-to-5x4-75-use-5-lug-wheels-on-6-lug-car-2-thick-14x1-5)

I have calculated these would work perfectly on our Patriot Camper, taking into account offset etc.

They won't work either, 4.75 PCD is HQ Holden, and 119 PCD, so there's chance of broken studs because of the tight fit, also spacers are illegal and studs can break also with long distances on rough roads.

The PCD needs to be 120, trust me I've been through this myself, if you want interchangable rims, you need 5 x 120 in either steel rims in 17" Dynamic and Gecko do 17" steel rims for the D3/4, or if you want alloy BMW X5 rims in 17" assuming you have a D3/4/RRS 2.7L.

[DiscoKym]

These are what I used with the centering spigot reduced to 70mm (Disco 2).

Wheel Adaptor Spacer 6 stud to 5 stud 50mm Camper trailer, 4WD, etc | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Wheel-Adaptor-Spacer-6-stud-5-stud-50mm-Camper-trailer-4WD-etc-/272668390489?hash=item3f7c4d7459)

Note:
Flat nuts on alloy wheels need centering spigot.
Taper wheel nuts self center.

These are engineered to do this and also have a centering spigot between the adapter halves.

[Redback]

These are what I used with the centering spigot reduced to 70mm (Disco 2).

Wheel Adaptor Spacer 6 stud to 5 stud 50mm Camper trailer, 4WD, etc | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Wheel-Adaptor-Spacer-6-stud-5-stud-50mm-Camper-trailer-4WD-etc-/272668390489?hash=item3f7c4d7459)

Note:
Flat nuts on alloy wheels need centering spigot.
Taper wheel nuts self center.

These are engineered to do this and also have a centering spigot between the adapter halves.

I ran D2 alloys on my camper for 5yrs without a centering spigot, running Commodore AL-KO drum hubs, never had an issue, but our camper is only 1.4T, dragged it all over the high country, the cape the flinders, the gulf, the simpson, the only time I broke a stud was when we change to Disc brake hubs, it was after I broke the stud I realised I had HQ Holden disc brake hubs 4,75 PCD and not Commodore, even with the broken stud I had trouble removing the rim, it was that tight, you wouldn't think 119 v 120 would make that much difference, anyway I went back to drums and it was all good and still is.

Anyway that's my rim story with the D2.

[veebs]

A lot to take in here, with offsets, spigot holes, tapering, etc etc.

A questions for those more knowledgeable than I, does the advent of the steel D3/4/5 wheel rims by Tuffant change the equation here at all?

[loanrangie]

A lot to take in here, with offsets, spigot holes, tapering, etc etc.

A questions for those more knowledgeable than I, does the advent of the steel D3/4/5 wheel rims by Tuffant change the equation here at all?

That depends if the centre hole is large enough to fit over standard type trailer hubs, i see the problem being that vehicles with sealed hub units have the wheel mounting face out past the bearing so that the rim effectively sits onto a flat surface.
Where as a standard dual bearing hub has the wheel mounting face sitting almost near the center of the hub thus needing larger clearance to go over the outer bearing area.

[cjc_td5]

A lot to take in here, with offsets, spigot holes, tapering, etc etc.

A questions for those more knowledgeable than I, does the advent of the steel D3/4/5 wheel rims by Tuffant change the equation here at all?
The Tuffant steel wheel has the same bore diameter as the alloy wheels so I can't see them solving the hub issue.

[Redback]

Gecho 17" steels will fit AL-KO hubs, that what I have on my camper now, they also fit the car(D4 2.7L)

Look in the veranda apom(member Vendor) has 18" steel rims made for the D4 3.0l might want to see what they look like.

Here's my Gecho rims.

[veebs]

Thanks Redback,

So if your 17" Gecho steel wheels will fit, why wouldn't the tuffant ones (made by apom)?
I assumed the centre part, where the wheel nuts and spigot hole are would be identical between the wheels, but the apom/tuffant wheel has a different rim design to fit over the brake calipers? Or am I missing something obvious?

[Redback]

Thanks Redback,

So if your 17" Gecho steel wheels will fit, why wouldn't the tuffant ones (made by apom)?
I assumed the centre part, where the wheel nuts and spigot hole are would be identical between the wheels, but the apom/tuffant wheel has a different rim design to fit over the brake calipers? Or am I missing something obvious?

I think you've misunderstood, the Tuffant steelies will fit both car and camper/caravan, it's the 17 steels that won't fit the 3.0l.

[veebs]

I've never felt this dense... :-(

Right, so my understanding, based on Redback's experience with the Gecho wheels and a 2.7 D4:

AL-KO hubs exist in a suitable size for D3/4 PCD (120mm) and centre spigot diameter.
Discovery Alloy wheels won't fit the hub due to their tapered centre hole.
Steel wheels (either Tuffant or Gecko) will fit the AL-KO hubs without issue.

Or:
125916

What is the hub weight capacity in your setup redback?

[Redback]

I've never felt this dense... :-(

Right, so my understanding, based on Redback's experience with the Gecho wheels and a 2.7 D4:

AL-KO hubs exist in a suitable size for D3/4 PCD (120mm) and centre spigot diameter.
Discovery Alloy wheels won't fit the hub due to their tapered centre hole.
Steel wheels (either Tuffant or Gecko) will fit the AL-KO hubs without issue.

Or:
125916

What is the hub weight capacity in your setup redback?

Correct our camper is 1600kg GVM, but weighs about 1400 to 1500kg loaded at the moment.

There are a couple of OTHER companies that do steel rims for the D3/4, Dynamic and Rockcrawler.

OK just so you know, I've had a few different combinations rims on our D4 and camper.

In Order

D4.............CAMPER

BMW X5 17" ALLOYS......D2 16" ALLOYS

BMW X5 17" ALLOYS......BMW X5 17" ALLOYS

D3 17" ALLOYS..............BMW X5 17" ALLOYS

[B]CURRANT SETUP

D3 17" ALLOYS..............GHECO 17" STEELS.

There you go, the D2 alloys where on the camper when we had the D2, I basically left them on until I found a replacement to match what ever I had on the D4, when I went to D3 alloys on the D4, that was when I found that the D3 alloys wouldn't fit the camper, so I went to the steel rims.

Here it is setup with BMW X5 alloys on the D4 and camper, we at King River Hut VIC High Country.

[rhinosm]

This is what I ended doing.
6 stud to 5 stud Adaptors.
Yep, probably illegal.
Just returned last night from 2 week, 5000kms trip.
Up Oodnadatta Track, across Simpson on Rig Rd and home via Broken Hill.
Gave the trailer, and wheel a real work out.
Everything performed beautifully.

[Hoss]

Where did you buy your adapters? Any other parts required (spacers etc) cheers