Your Ford spec Puma oil...

[spudfan]

Ever wondered how a company can claim that their oil meets the specifications for your engine? Well click on this and read the letter Ford wrote to Comma when requested by Comma to allow them to state that their engine oil met the WSS-M2C-913-D specs. I've used this in the Puma. Go down to the part headed Xtech Ford OE Acknowledgement Letter. I found it interesting especially when Ford stated that they reserve the right to take samples and if not happy with the results to get Comma to withdraw the product from the market if the specs are not met.
Xtech 5W-30 : Performance Motor Oils : Products Guide : Comma Oil & Chemicals Ltd. (http://www.commaoil.com/passenger-vehicles/products/view/171)

[Tombie]

Yep... hence why I buy drums of the correct factory oil....

I'm not messing around with such an expensive motor...

[DazzaTD5]

Well just a IMHO......

*Means nothing at all.
*Its one letter from one day, from one company.
*In every possible way any company is going to "reserve the right", "take no liability" etc etc etc.....
*Any oil company or oil blender that states a spec, you can be sure for liability reasons they are going to meet that spec.
*Again any oil company or oil blender company, on either side of the fence is going to "reserve the right" "take no liability", including Castrol.

*Ive already had a customer with a failed engine that had it replaced under warranty, no issues, oil was tested (I have my doubts), and came back (apparently) with a all ok.
*Any testing isnt going to tell what brand it is, I have my doubts if the spec could be obtained, BUT it will show impurities such as high silicate (sand/dust) levels etc etc.

The reality is....
*The days of easy money for dealer networks from cash cow customers is on the decline.
*Owners are become aware of options and choices.
*Fixed price servicing is becoming very competitive and is no doubt hurting the dealer networks and their supply partners bottom line, so they have become more protective of that income in any way possible.

*While one company may have a supply contract to supply fluids to fill engines etc made by another company on a assembly line, it doesnt always filter down the line to the dealer networks.
*The 913 Ford spec Land Rover uses isnt an overly high tech specification.
*The Ford engine used in the Defender TDCi isnt an overly high tech engine, which in such a vehicle as a Defender is a positive thing.
The Ford DuraTorq series of engines are priced pretty dam cheap in a new crate engine form, looking at prices I reckon one could be landed here for $4500, this makes rebuilding one not even a thought.

Whats all that mean..... sweet F A really.

Regards
Daz

[spudfan]

My point in adding the post was to show anyone that might be interested, as I was, just how a company went about getting a certain certification. Ford's reply was understandable. They accept that the oil meets the specification but aren't going to tell me to use it. That is fair enough.
Oil companies have deep pockets. So long as the oil states that it meets the specs I cannot see Mr Ford or Mr Land Rover saying anything negative about it or not standing over it's use in it's engines. Comma it appears is owned by a much bigger company who use it to sell it's wares at a cheaper price to a bigger audience while still selling the same oil at a premium price to those who want a name brand. In a head to head with Mr Land Rover and Mr Major Oil company there would be only one winner and Mr Land Rover knows that.
To me once the required specifications are met by the oil and it is changed within the stated period I have no bother in using it.