I've gone and done it.

[V8Ian]

I've been talking about doing it for years, now I've finally done it; I'm the happy owner of a full size coach. My intention is to convert it to a luxury motor home, the reality may be a jury rigged shack on wheels. :o
In view of the questions I intend asking the AULRO brains trust, where should I post it?

The Modified Zone? It will be highly modified.
European Manufactured? It is a MAN.
American Manufactured? It has factory fitted Yank running gear.
Oceania Manufactured? The body is local, Brisbane in fact.
Trailers, Vans and Campers?
Alternate Energies or one of the many technical areas of which I will have hundreds of questions?
Members Rides, maybe?

May I take this opportunity to thank you knowledgeable and helpful folk, in advance for advice and assistance.
Digger springs to mind, you may need to enlarge you driveway. Andy, I will need you and the yellow lump to carve me a track into Melrose and Wombat etc.. Finally, Drivesafe, boy have I got some questions for you.

:D:D:D

[Ean Austral]

Great stuff Ian , most people who drive coaches want to be truck drivers , your going the other way.


Hope it turns out how you envisaged it.


Cheers Ean

[Chops]

Top stuff.
Having just sold mine, as yet to be picked up from the farm, I will be watching with interest Ian.

[bblaze]

first things first, how are you going to drive the series 1 up the date of the bus,
ramps or build a rock climber. Still leave you plenty of room for your swag
cheers
blaze

[V8Ian]

The plan is to eventually have a trailer to carry the Disco and bike, finance and gonads permitting, an ultralight would also grace the trailer.

[V8Ian]

Great stuff Ian , most people who drive coaches want to be truck drivers , your going the other way.


Hope it turns out how you envisaged it.


Cheers Ean
Prior to this week, the last coach I drove was a 401 powered Albion, ex Lewis Adelaide - Darwin service. :D

[rangieman]

Um i dont know what to say apart from good luck (speechless).
I drive a M A N and what a P,O,S it is and even if it has has a yankie heart and soul it is the electric`s that are more likely to fail sorry to say ;)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

regardless of what you do with the rest of the 40'--
leave the first two rows of bus seats in till nearly finished inside,,
You may never sleep more than 2,, but being able to seat 6-8 right up the front will always be handy,,
:cool:

[cuppabillytea]

I think it needs a category of it's own Ian.
Good luck with it. I don't know if you need an Architect or a Shipwright. :confused:

[gavinwibrow]

And I have just the thing for you.
Triaxle trailer fully electric braked 4.5T.
I sold my ex Greyhound coach/RV some years ago, but somehow the trailer is still with me and about to get a lick of paint.

[Mick_Marsh]

Is this what you envisage?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/697.jpg

Don't forget the sun deck.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/698.jpg

Me, I'd like this one:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/699.jpg

But will probably end up with something like:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/700.jpg


Nup. I shouldn't even think about it.

[V8Ian]

I like the first one Mick, where can I buy Tardis paint?

[V8Ian]

Um i dont know what to say apart from good luck (speechless).
I drive a M A N and what a P,O,S it is and even if it has has a yankie heart and soul it is the electric`s that are more likely to fail sorry to say ;)I had my sights set on a 6V92 Landseer, but was swayed by the frugality of MAN. Being an older, mechanical engine it is reliable. Research tells me that they are cheap and easy to maintain and well respected by operators.
We have a couple of late model MANs at work that nobody except one of the drivers wants to drive but that's more to do with them being underpowered, compared to our Scanias and Western Stars. They have been reliable and economical.
It drives very nicely, especially when I remember it is a 'round the corner' ten speed over, and don't try and drive it as an eighteen speed. :oops2:

[JDNSW]

I will be watching this with interest - I have a nephew who is in the process of doing such a conversion/restoration to an elderly Leyland bus. I think it is perhaps turning into a bigger project than he expected. I don't know what your Qld situation is, but he is finding that in NSW his engineer is a bit particular about a number of issues - including changes to the rules for motor homes during the work!

His plans include a trailer carrying his RAV4 with an enclosed area at the front containing his lathe, welder, drill press, diesel generator etc, and once the car is off, the back wall lifts up to provide a roof, giving him somewhere to work out of the rain and sun.

John

[The ho har's]

Does this mean your Disco will be leaving our place then :wasntme:

Looking forward to the build :)

Mrs hh:angel:

[weeds]

His plans include a trailer carrying his RAV4 with an enclosed area at the front containing his lathe, welder, drill press, diesel generator etc, and once the car is off, the back wall lifts up to provide a roof, giving him somewhere to work out of the rain and sun.

John

mobile workshop........sounds like he is putting some thought into it.

[V8Ian]

What's he modifying that requires 'engineering', John?

[JDNSW]

What's he modifying that requires 'engineering', John?

Door type and location, for a start. Folding doors are no longer allowed on motor homes, it seems, but other things include a reduction in maximum weight (reduced licence requirements), and he is (has) redesigned and rebuilt the entire driver console and electrical system. Other changes that require engineering include removing windows, changing battery location, replacing moulded fibreglass nose and tail with fabricated steel/alloy etc.

John

[rangieman]

I had my sights set on a 6V92 Landseer, but was swayed by the frugality of MAN. Being an older, mechanical engine it is reliable. Research tells me that they are cheap and easy to maintain and well respected by operators.
We have a couple of late model MANs at work that nobody except one of the drivers wants to drive but that's more to do with them being underpowered, compared to our Scanias and Western Stars. They have been reliable and economical.
It drives very nicely, especially when I remember it is a 'round the corner' ten speed over, and don't try and drive it as an eighteen speed. :oops2:

Yeah i get what you say but my 12 year old POS and we have 2 exactly the the same model and config are like twins :eek: Something goes wrong with one and sure the other goes out in sympathy and 9 times out of 10 it is the same problem all to do with electrics normally .
I lost all sympathy for mine after being stuck on the Hume in feb this year for 19 hrs with a luckily 2 bottles of water and no food.:angrylock:
I know they will be upgraded soon and im hoping a nice auto 700 hp volvo will replace it and them;)

[V8Ian]

My intention is to remove all but the first row (4) of seats (belted), retaining them for passengers. Two of the removed seats will be will be refixed, sans belts, facing each other with a table between.
I have no intention of plumbing gas, I'll use that direct from the bottle.
I'm leaning toward 12 volt, necessitating only one external 240V input, thus eliminating the need for certificates and tradesmen.
There will be no structural changes needed.

[V8Ian]

Yeah i get what you say but my 12 year old POS and we have 2 exactly the the same model and config are like twins :eek: Something goes wrong with one and sure the other goes out in sympathy and 9 times out of 10 it is the same problem all to do with electrics normally .
I lost all sympathy for mine after being stuck on the Hume in feb this year for 19 hrs with a luckily 2 bottles of water and no food.:angrylock:
I know they will be upgraded soon and im hoping a nice auto 700 hp volvo will replace it and them;)
What on earth do you need 700 HP on Sesame St for? :o

[AK83]

Um i dont know what to say apart from good luck (speechless).
I drive a M A N and what a P,O,S it is and even if it has has a yankie heart and soul it is the electric`s that are more likely to fail sorry to say ;)

My experience is the other way round!

We have Scania P400(somethings) and MAN TGS 440's and the MANs are awesome. Smooth as silk and quite as a Roller!
Have no idea on reliability tho.
OTOH, the Kenny's and Argosy's at my other work a while back were dreadful things by comparison!

Earlier this week, I was asked to ferry a trailer to another depot, but using the Western Star(conventional) they have in the yard.
That was it, not to drive the W for the day, just this one shuttle job, then get back and into the normal routine for the day.
Now that was one monumental P.O.S! For a new truck, has to be the worst I've ever driven.

Good luck with the mobile home .. however it turns out :thumbsup:

[rangieman]

What on earth do you need 700 HP on Sesame St for? :o

We already have two in the fleet one runs down south and the other runs north to your end of the world and dam good comfortable reliable trucks they are:cool:
Mate i`ve done my time running with the idiots of the night on Sesame st ;)
So don`t care much for the crap that happens along there or the cowboys:angel:
Just something comfortable reliable and power to spare would be nice ;) Id like it but i dont think it will happen , I was only dreaming out aloud:angel:

[V8Ian]

Been removing sign writing today, my fingers are rather sensitive now.:(

[BMKal]

You only needed to remove one "e" and two "S"'s.

Then it would become a "crisp coach". :p

[Chops]

Nice looking unit Ian, same colour as mine was too ;)


Does it have a full flat floor, and can I see the rear end raised (floor) ?

[V8Ian]

Sunken aisle Marcus, I can stand in the centre. There is a bit of ducting under the back row of seats, it shouldn't interfere with my plans. There will be a queen size bed covering all that guff.
I will have to sink the shower into the bins, forward of the drive.

[cuppabillytea]

You only needed to remove one "e" and two "S"'s.

Then it would become a "crisp coach". :p Or a Crips coach.
That's :wheelchair::wheelchair::wheelchair::wheelchair::w heelchair::wheelchair::wheelchair::wheelchair::whe elchair::wheelchair::wheelchair::wheelchair:a bit harsh. :eek:

[Fifth Columnist]

Been a dream of mine for decades.....
Old Bus Photos ? Guy GS (http://www.old-bus-photos.co.uk/'tag=guy-gs)

[V8Ian]

Strewth Laurie, that bus is older than me! :o
It looks a bit small and slow. If I drove to Perth, from here, it'd be time to pay the rego again when I got there . ;)

[V8Ian]

Or a Crips coach.
That's :wheelchair::wheelchair::wheelchair::wheelchair::w heelchair::wheelchair::wheelchair::wheelchair::whe elchair::wheelchair::wheelchair::wheelchair:a bit harsh. :eek:

I've got crisp fingers from the hair dryer. :(

[LandyAndy]

From a gear cruncher to a mere bus driver:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

Good luck with it Ian,its something I always wanted to do when I was younger.Still wouldn't rule it out.
ENJOY
Andrew

[Chops]

Strewth Laurie, that bus is older than me! :o
It looks a bit small and slow. If I drove to Perth, from here, it'd be time to pay the rego again when I got there . ;)
Seeing Aus is not about speed Ian ;)

[JDNSW]

Been a dream of mine for decades.....
Old Bus Photos ? Guy GS (http://www.old-bus-photos.co.uk/'tag=guy-gs)

The style is similar to one of the ones I used to travel to school in, around 1950, but it was a Ford. I vividly remember how quiet the engine (V8) was, compared to the gear noise once under way.

John

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I can stand in the centre.


strange,, it doesnt look like a double decker from outside,,, :p

[Toxic_Avenger]

Or a Crips coach.


That would make life interesting while on tour. Between the police and the Bloods knocking on the door, you'd never get any relaxation.
Even better, it's already painted blue!

[Ausfree]

G'Day Ian!!!:) Yes, you have been talking about buying a bus to convert for sometime now. Bus looks in reasonable condition from what I can see on the piccies.:D Welcome to the world of bus drivers, are you going to keep to a timetable:angel:

[Chops]

G'Day Ian!!!:) Yes, you have been talking about buying a bus to convert for sometime now. Bus looks in reasonable condition from what I can see on the piccies.:D Welcome to the world of bus drivers, are you going to keep to a timetable:angel:
"ehhhhh,,, I'll av' you Butler" springs to mind :angel:

[V8Ian]

From a gear cruncher to a mere bus driver:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

Good luck with it Ian,its something I always wanted to do when I was younger.Still wouldn't rule it out.
ENJOY
Andrew

Mere bus driver? They, like all workers perform an important role in the community, the only exception to that is traffic controllers, they're a waste of shirt space.

[V8Ian]

Seeing Aus is not about speed Ian ;)
Granted, but can you imagine driving across the paddock at 30kph?

[cuppabillytea]

Mere bus driver? They, like all workers perform an important role in the community, the only exception to that is traffic controllers, they're a waste of shirt space.

I take that as a slight against the Irish.:p

I like to wave at traffic controllers.:spudnikwaving:

[Saitch]

Does this mean your Disco will be leaving our place then :wasntme:

Looking forward to the build :)

Mrs hh:angel:


Well he will need room for the Busavan! :)
Steve

[V8Ian]

I like to wave at traffic controllers.:spudnikwaving:

So do I, but no doubt, with a slightly different finger motion.

[Chops]

Granted, but can you imagine driving across the paddock at 30kph?
hehe, yep,,,, soaking it all up.

[V8Ian]

Broken fingernails and burnt fingertips but etiquette and legal requirements have been achieved. :)

[V8Ian]

I got a phone call from Mr Crisp today, the payment had't shown up in their account. :o
I told him I couldn't give it back as I had taken his name off it. :p
The payment exceeded my daily limit and I didn't realize it had been rejected. I've had to repay in post-dated installments. :angel:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Funny,, we had that happen buying the van,,
paid half, then towed it home! paid the rest next day:D
very nice,, trusting couple,,,,

[cuppabillytea]

Funny,, we had that happen buying the van,,
paid half, then towed it home! paid the rest next day:D
very nice,, trusting couple,,,,

Shonk. :o

[V8Ian]

Shonk. :o

Who? Both of us or Landy types in general? :angel:

[Mick_Marsh]

Funny,, we had that happen buying the van,,
paid half, then towed it home! paid the rest next day:D
very nice,, trusting couple,,,,
Same thing happens to me when getting the Merc serviced.

[cuppabillytea]

Who? Both of us or Landy types in general? :angel:

Yes :twisted:

[carlschmid2002]

So do I, but no doubt, with a slightly different finger motion.

I always put the UHF on scan and when I work out what channel they are on it is fun to mess with them.

[cuppabillytea]

Hey Ian! My brother Bob, up the hill in Toowoomba, is an Auto trimmer. I'm sure he'd love to meet you. :p:wasntme:

[V8Ian]

Hey Ian! My brother Bob, up the hill in Toowoomba, is an Auto trimmer. I'm sure he'd love to meet you. :p:wasntme:

Does he want to buy 52 reclining coach seats? :whistling:

[Ausfree]

Does he want to buy 52 reclining coach seats? :whistling:

Poses an interesting problem, Ian. What do you do with 52 coach seats?????:p

[V8Ian]

Poses an interesting problem, Ian. What do you do with 52 coach seats?????:p
Get 52 wives? :wasntme:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Poses an interesting problem, Ian. What do you do with 52 coach seats?????:p

build an open air cinema?:angel:

[V8Ian]

build an open air cinema?:angel:

So when do you want to pick them up Pete?

[Ausfree]

Get 52 wives? :wasntme:

Gawd, I'm flat out putting up with one wife.:o Shhh, don't tell her that!!!:TakeABow::TakeABow:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

In view of the questions I intend asking the AULRO brains trust, where should I post it?

The Modified Zone? It will be highly modified.
European Manufactured? It is a MAN.
American Manufactured? It has factory fitted Yank running gear.
Oceania Manufactured? The body is local, Brisbane in fact.
Trailers, Vans and Campers?
Alternate Energies or one of the many technical areas of which I will have hundreds of questions?
Members Rides, maybe?

:D:D:D

How about here----
not many get a brand new Forum dedicated to their new toy,,,:cool:
we expect big things from you,,;)

[pop058]

Does he want to buy 52 reclining coach seats? :whistling:

pics ?? :D

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I wonder wattle be the reaction if we bolted some around a certain fireplace Pop?:whistling:

[pop058]

I wonder wattle be the reaction if we bolted some around a certain fireplace Pop?:whistling:

mind reader :p

[cuppabillytea]

Does he want to buy 52 reclining coach seats? :whistling:
Probably not.


Get 52 wives? :wasntme:
He'd like that.



build an open air cinema?:angel:
He could have an indoor cinema in his home shed, if he got rid of a couple of old Mercs a Vee Dub and the odd bike.

Gawd, I'm flat out putting up with one wife.:o Shhh, don't tell her that!!!:TakeABow::TakeABow:
You'd only have to put up with each one for a week. :p

[Chops]

52 seats,,, 52 wives,, variety is after all, the spice of life :angel:

[Toxic_Avenger]

52 seats,,, 52 wives,, variety is after all, the spice of life :angel:

So you mean we don't have to choose between sexy Russian singles, Asian beauties, and 'babes' in your area who are dying to chat right now?

[Chops]

Ohhhh, call me, call me now.

Naaa, don't, don't call them now, or ever even. Hehe, I've met a couple of those that do that job,,,, I'd much rather chase Witchypoo :eek:

[mick88]

One thing that is often overlooked, but very, very, important and something that should probably be an engineering requirement when setting up a motor home is ensuring that things don't become missiles in accident situations. Cupboard doors and their latches/hinges need to keep their contents contained in them on impact, tables, chairs, beds, stoves, fridges etc. all need to be secure and able to withstand considerable forces.
As a paramedic I attended a fatal accident in central Victoria a few years ago where a home built motor home "T" boned a truck at about 80 kph and the sudden deceleration/instant stop meant that every item in the rear of the motor home exited via the front windscreen. A coffee cup going past your head in this situation is not good, let alone a queen size bed and mattress or a fridge and a stove. A decent cargo barrier would also be a good option too.


Cheers, Mick.

[Ausfree]

One thing that is often overlooked, but very, very, important and something that should probably be an engineering requirement when setting up a motor home is ensuring that things don't become missiles in accident situations. Cupboard doors and their latches/hinges need to keep their contents contained in them on impact, tables, chairs, beds, stoves, fridges etc. all need to be secure and able to withstand considerable forces.
As a paramedic I attended a fatal accident in central Victoria a few years ago where a home built motor home "T" boned a truck at about 80 kph and the sudden deceleration/instant stop meant that every item in the rear of the motor home exited via the front windscreen. A coffee cup going past your head in this situation is not good, let alone a queen size bed and mattress or a fridge and a stove. A decent cargo barrier would also be a good option too.


Cheers, Mick.

Sounds like good advice!!:D

[Chops]

Yep, been there, done that, but certainly not to what Micks just pointed out.
Even just tapping the brakes in traffic can send everything flying. As you listen to a heap of stuff crashing to the ground,, thoughts are of gooey cleanups, and that's even if you don't hear glass break. Then it's, damn, where'd I leave those thongs again? :(

[digger]

Yep, been there, done that, but certainly not to what Micks just pointed out.
Even just tapping the brakes in traffic can send everything flying. As you listen to a heap of stuff crashing to the ground,, thoughts are of gooey cleanups, and that's even if you don't hear glass break. Then it's, damn, where'd I leave those thongs again? :(

Probably hanging on the line after you washed them and put the boxers on.... Oh you meant foot thongs... My bad!

[Chops]

Haha,, I should've just had a bit more thought in that statement.

[V8Ian]

pics ?? :D
Might need the bloke up the hill to make some canvas covers.
As they're going to a good home, no cost.

[V8Ian]

I did a comprehensive write up last weekend, on the progress, or lack there of,. After hitting the submit button, I realised that I had been logged off, ergo, I'd lost the lot and you lot missed out on an article worthy of a Walkley Award.
In summary, the seat removal is slow and a PIA. Each seat has a random combination of 16, 17 mm and 5/8" bolts with nylock nuts X4 and 2X 12,13 mm or 1/2" nuts and bolts. Each seat takes over an hour.:mad:

[Toxic_Avenger]

Get the grinder out.
Fear your wrath!
Dont get mad, get even, etc.

[cuppabillytea]

I think Ian will be changing his user name to 'RSI'. :p:wasntme:

[V8Ian]

I think Ian will be changing his user name to 'RSI'. :p:wasntme:

Really Silly Idea?;)

I can't get a grinder into it.:(

[Pedro_The_Swift]

battery rattle gun?

[V8Ian]

battery rattle gun?
Got one Pedro, it's good when I can get to the bolts. A little more progress yesterday, I think the main problem is the hexes have been rounded installing the seats.

[cuppabillytea]

Really Silly Idea?;)

I can't get a grinder into it.:(

Repetition Strain Injury, but yes, your suggestion is probably more apt. :angel:

[V8Ian]

440 nm Pedro :twisted:

[ramblingboy42]

looks like you need to visit soup or cheep and get ONE long extension.....

[V8Ian]

looks like you need to visit soup or cheep and get ONE long extension.....

:D actually I have one, that combination occurred progressively.

[V8Ian]

Half the seats out now, I'm pretty happy with the progress.

[Ausfree]

Sounds like being half up a steep hill Ian. Half way to go, eh!!!:p

[Saitch]

Nothing like a work in progress, hey.
By the way Ian, I know a retired (well, she has a little tacker to look after at the moment) cabinet maker who lives Jimboomba way & no, she is completely unaware of other certain residents of the area:D
Steve

[Homestar]

Just showed SWMBO a pic of the coach - she looks quite interested... :)

Not sure where I'd put it though...

[V8Ian]

Just showed SWMBO a pic of the coach - she looks quite interested... :)

Not sure where I'd put it though...

Can she cook and iron shirts? ;):D

[V8Ian]

Anybody interested in the seats? If not, they're of to China to be made into Great Walls.

[Mick_Marsh]

Anybody interested in the seats? If not, they're of to China to be made into Great Walls.
Would love to have them.
Nowhere to put them.

[pop058]

Do you deliver :D

[cuppabillytea]

Anybody interested in the seats? If not, they're of to China to be made into Great Walls.

How many? I'll ring the bloke up the hill.

[V8Ian]

There will be 18 X 2 and 2 X 1 going spare.

Time is an issue Paul. :(

[Homestar]

Can she cook and iron shirts? ;):D

She has been known to cook, but doesn't do that very often as I like to cook. She's not big on ironing things...

[V8Ian]

Nothing like a work in progress, hey.
By the way Ian, I know a retired (well, she has a little tacker to look after at the moment) cabinet maker who lives Jimboomba way & no, she is completely unaware of other certain residents of the area:D
Steve
You haven't warned her the Jimboombaish residents.? Do you not feel some duty of care? :p


Would love to have them.
Nowhere to put them.
How many 101s? :D

[Saitch]

https://www.facebook.com/871476022985037/photos/pcb.871981799601126/871981329601173/'type=3


Ian, why a bus mate?
Steve

[V8Ian]

If it is capable of carrying freight, it is ineligible for motor-home rego. Motor-home rego is about 20% of commercial rego. People have come unstuck building a motor-home able to carry a horse or car, they have to be registered as a truck.

[austastar]

Hi,
My 130 cab chassis is considered a commercial vehicle, however on signing a declaration it is for private use and will not be carrying comercial loads, it is now registered as a normal vehicle.
This is in Tas.

Cheers


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[V8Ian]

First draft, from behind the pax seats, 8.5 X 2.150 metres.

[cuppabillytea]

The sink is bigger than the shower.

The bloke up the hill doesn't want the seats.

[V8Ian]

The sink is bigger than the shower.
That's overall, double sink and draining boards.

The bloke up the hill doesn't want the seats.
Nor do I.

What's his address? They may appear by magic. :twisted:

[cuppabillytea]

Type Trimtastic into Google Maps. Forecourt will easily accomodate. :p:wasntme::angel:

[scarry]

First draft, from behind the pax seats, 8.5 X 2.150 metres.

If you have an outside toilet,you will have more room inside;)

[scarry]

The sink is bigger than the shower.

Maybe it is really a bathtub,seems better called a sink.:o

What about the local school,they might take the seats.

[Homestar]

Ian, it's hard to tell from the pics, but is the aisle lower than the seat areas like on most coaches? If it is, I can see why your plans are the way they are, but if the floors flat, or can be made flat have you thought about running the aisle down one side rather than through the middle? Might make designing the layout a bit easier, although I don't mind your first draft - I'm just thinking out load here. :)

Carry on, I'm living vicariously through you on this one - I'd love to convert a coach like this. :)

[cuppabillytea]

Maybe it is really a bathtub,seems better called a sink.:o

What about the local school,they might take the seats.

To be honest, I thought there'd be a jacuzzi in the plan.

[scarry]

To be honest, I thought there'd be a jacuzzi in the plan.

Dual purpose,jacuzzi/sink:p:D

Looking at the 1:300 scale there is heaps of room

[V8Ian]

Ian, it's hard to tell from the pics, but is the aisle lower than the seat areas like on most coaches? If it is, I can see why your plans are the way they are, but if the floors flat, or can be made flat have you thought about running the aisle down one side rather than through the middle? Might make designing the layout a bit easier, although I don't mind your first draft - I'm just thinking out load here. :)

Carry on, I'm living vicariously through you on this one - I'd love to convert a coach like this. :)
I wish the floor was flat, it'd make it easier and more flexible. The aisle is sunken 120 mm between the chassis rails. I have revolved the plan round the shower, which will have to be sunken into the bins. For ease of plumbing I will probably move the sink east.
On the, as yet, undesigned side I have to juggle a wardrobe, table and seats.
There appears to be plenty of room for a lounge too.
I already mentioned there looks like being enough room for a spa. :D
I would like to run 240 V for all but hot water, and have to discuss the feasibility of such, with Tim Drivesafe. I am researching the combined draw before I phone him, so as not to waste his time.

[Chops]

Ian, just a quick thought for you.
My plan was to have the bathroom and toilet opposite each other with entrances through to the bedroom, which like yours was at the back. This gives a certain amount of privacy, for women mostly, if you have guests visiting.
My kitchen was on the same side as the shower, with the hot (gas instant) water between the two to save on heating distance etc. Tiolet was only to have a cold tap, thus no need to run the hot water to that side of the bus. This also meant you could have a door at that wall which separates the two zones. The fridge and washing machine and pantry cupboards were on the other side to the actual kitchen. This created a cooking type zone, although I had no wall as it gave the illusion of being bigger without one.
This set up, left heaps of room for the front third, so to speak, of the bus to allow for a full size lounge, eating table, tv unit etc.

[V8Ian]

Ian, just a quick thought for you.
My plan was to have the bathroom and toilet opposite each other with entrances through to the bedroom, which like yours was at the back. This gives a certain amount of privacy, for women mostly, if you have guests visiting.
My kitchen was on the same side as the shower, with the hot (gas instant) water between the two to save on heating distance etc. Tiolet was only to have a cold tap, thus no need to run the hot water to that side of the bus. This also meant you could have a door at that wall which separates the two zones. The fridge and washing machine and pantry cupboards were on the other side to the actual kitchen. This created a cooking type zone, although I had no wall as it gave the illusion of being bigger without one.
This set up, left heaps of room for the front third, so to speak, of the bus to allow for a full size lounge, eating table, tv unit etc.

That is very similar to what I envisioned, originally, Marcus. I have placed the shower where it is because it needs to be recessed into the floor. There is possibly enough clearance to do so over the wheels but that will leave the drain exposed, unless I can protect it.
There will be a door, either separating the bedroom or bedroom and bathroom.
Please keep the suggestions coming.

[Walruslike]

Best wishes to you on your interesting project.... thanks for sharing with us.

I don't have a concrete suggestion.... (or even a wooden or steel one...) but a couple of ideas for you to consider. They're not much but in case it helps...

I converted a two car garage into a granny flat that has a shower, toilet, laundry, bedroom, lounge room and kitchen. I spent weeks trying different floor plans on paper, none of which seemed doable before I finally came up with one I'm proud of.

So my two suggestions are....

- Use graph paper to model the bus as big as you can in outline. Then make scale paper outlines of the bed, lounge, shower etc. Lastly overlay a plastic sheet you can draw walls on with whiteboard marker. This allows you to try different orientations and plans by moving them around in the outline.

I did that multiple times and eventually a layout suggested itself that started to work. I was honestly surprised that a particular layout worked much better than others.

- The other suggestion is use partitions with alternating sides of access to make the place bigger and more private than it would be otherwise. Small half walls etc can actually make the place seem bigger.

I know that you have constraints of heights etc but the earlier suggestion of giving more privacy to loo etc will probably make the place seem bigger and more liveable.

Sorry to type long.... Good luck with your project.

[V8Ian]

Thanks Walruslike and welcome to the asylum. ;)

[Homestar]

Ian, a few questions if you have the data handy.

- what is the tare weight of the coach?
- what is the GVM
- what can it tow/GCM?
- approximate fuel consumption?

I'm starting to do some reasearch... ;)

[pop058]

Ian, a few questions if you have the data handy.

- what is the tare weight of the coach?
- what is the GVM
- what can it tow/GCM?
- approximate fuel consumption?

I'm starting to do some research... ;)

A single axle trailer with a Veloster on shouldn't weigh that much :D

[Homestar]

A single axle trailer with a Veloster on shouldn't weigh that much :D

Yeah, that's sort of what I'm thinking... :D

[Pedro_The_Swift]

it'll be half beards and leather jeans next,,, :p

[V8Ian]

Ian, a few questions if you have the data handy.

- what is the tare weight of the coach?
- what is the GVM
- what can it tow/GCM?
- approximate fuel consumption?

I'm starting to do some reasearch... ;)
Tare, from the public weighbridge at work is 13.1. From memory the split weigh was front 3.3 rear 9.8.
GVM (note not RGVM), according to the compliance plate is 19.0, RGVM on the rego label is 22.5.
The configuration is single tyred steer, dual tyred drive and a single tyred lazy (tag). For a GVM of 22.5 a dual tyred bogie is required, maybe NSW don't have a category for eight tyred vehicles, ergo it goes into the next category, at greater cost.
There is no GCM or RGCM on either the compliance plate or the rego papers. I'm hoping to tow a four ton trailer.


A single axle trailer with a Veloster on shouldn't weigh that much :D
Rarely cooks, doesn't iron, owns an Hyundai............. I'm fast losing interest. :p

[V8Ian]

The fuel consumption should be between 12and 15 mpg, better than a 101.;)

[Mick_Marsh]

The fuel consumption should be between 12and 15 mpg, better than a 101.;)
Wow! 23 l/100km.

Sorry, mate, that's worse than a 101.
Worse than a 6x6 Perentie.

Better than an old classic Merc, though.

[Homestar]

I could live with that for the size of the beast - it's about what I get in the 101 when towing the caravan and I know what would be easier to live with long term. :)

[Homestar]

Rarely cooks, doesn't iron, owns an Hyundai............. I'm fast losing interest. :p

She will be glad to hear that... :D

[strangy]

Watching with interest.
A good mate of mine built a nice setup with bunks queen bed etc. His is a Denning.
Toilet opposite shower and lovely kitchen.
Washing machine underneath in the luggage area with gen set, fresh and grey water tanks and main AC unit for the split system.
He had heaps of room spare even with BBQ, bikes for the family of 4. He had a custom trailer built for his Pathfinder towed behind.

Don't fit a waterbed...😏
Great tale of a fellow (not my mate) who believed the waterbed would be the ultimate- until the first time on the road and the mattress left the bed and exited the windscreen when braking. He was a bit bruised too being pinned under the weight until the windscreen let go.

[V8Ian]

Anyone interested in the seats? If not they're off to Sims.
The last few all required the same size spanner, 1mm cut-off wheel. :twisted:

[V8Ian]

I've got a leak, directly above the bed.:(
On the roof is a big air-conditioning unit, inside is a ventilation grill that hides relays, wires and many other mysteries. Rainwater is dripping off a large electrical loom, through the vent. I can't find from where it originates.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Rainwater, Ian,, usually originates from the sky,,, :angel:

sure its not condensation from that huge aircon?

[V8Ian]

Rainwater, Ian,, usually originates from the sky,,, :angel:

sure its not condensation from that huge aircon?

No mate, I was working on it with everything turned off, during a rainy session.
I will ziptie the loom in a different position and try to see where the water is entering.

[Homestar]

Leaks in caravans and campers, etc ONLY happen over the bed! Didn't you know that? :D

Hope you get it sorted, it's a PITA. I've still got one leak in the van - yep, above the bed...

[V8Ian]

Leaks in caravans and campers, etc ONLY happen over the bed! Didn't you know that? :D

Hope you get it sorted, it's a PITA. I've still got one leak in the van - yep, above the bed...

Bloody Murphy :D

[cuppabillytea]

Bloody Murphy :D

I'll be in Ireland in a week and a half. I'll give Murphy a kick up the date for you. :twisted:

[Mick_Marsh]

I've got a leak, directly above the bed.:(
On the roof is a big air-conditioning unit, inside is a ventilation grill that hides relays, wires and many other mysteries. Rainwater is dripping off a large electrical loom, through the vent. I can't find from where it originates.
Buy a large market umbrella.

That would look quite trendy, above the bed.

[V8Ian]

Thanks Mick, as usual you have the practical solution. :D

[LandyAndy]

Wet spots in the bed Ian.Are you bragging????
So the bus is christened then?????
Andrew

[V8Ian]

Classier than that Andrew, it's a coach, not a bus. ;)

[Walruslike]

Water is an insidious fiend trying to drive you nuts. It's gets in your bed just like that other insidious fiend... :)

They are both difficult problems to deal with.... Good luck. :)

[V8Ian]

Hopefully the bed will be finished today, I spent the best part of yesterday on it. Why is everything so time consuming?

[Narangga]

Hopefully the bed will be finished today, I spent the best part of yesterday on it. Why is everything so time consuming?

No wonder it's taking so long. :angel: :angel: :angel:

[Homestar]

I found when renovating my old caravan that everything took twice as long as I thought it would, but you just have to keep plugging away at it. Don't rush and don't cut corners to save time, you'll regret it later on - ask me how I know...

[Pedro_The_Swift]

how do you know Gav?:p

[V8Ian]

You and Mick_Marsh come from the same mould Pedro. :D

[Mick_Marsh]

Well, he did say to ask.

Bought your market umbrella yet?

[V8Ian]

Bed done all but the end board. Next step, sink and bench.

[Homestar]

:ttiwwp:

[V8Ian]

:ttiwwp:

Yeah, when I've got the sheets on it.
Of course nothing went to plan. Unbeknown to me, the floor is not level, it has a slight slope up towards the back. :(

[Chops]

Yeah, when I've got the sheets on it.
Of course nothing went to plan. Unbeknown to me, the floor is not level, it has a slight slope up towards the back. :(

And when the wet spots are gone :angel:

[cuppabillytea]

Yeah, when I've got the sheets on it.
Of course nothing went to plan. Unbeknown to me, the floor is not level, it has a slight slope up towards the back. :(

Put the bed in gimbles Ian. Then you can sleep on hills.

[V8Ian]

Put the bed in gimbles Ian. Then you can sleep on hills.

I'd get seasick, Billy. :(

[cuppabillytea]

I'd get seasick, Billy. :(

Never. You'd always be on th level. 👍

[scarry]

Air suspension should sort out the levels......

[V8Ian]

Never. You'd always be on th level. 👍

I've never been accused of that before. :D

[V8Ian]

I had a short job last night, only ten hours, so I got a bit of time in on the povbago.

[Chops]

Are you going to get rid of the overhead shelving in the bed are Ian? One could cop a nasty headache if getting up in the middle of the night,,, especially ifs ones had a few drinks ;)

[V8Ian]

Not sure Marcus, in the middle of each side of the bed is a pod, a booster fan within the air con ducting I think. I think I'd rather bump my noggin on a flat bit of plastic than a non-forgiving steel box.
I'm going to leave the parcel shelf above the two rows of pax seats, up the front.

[V8Ian]

Paul, I'm thinking air con at present. Would it be feasible to get a split system and plumb it into the existing ducting for the engine driven system? What power requirements would be needed for 40' x 8' x 8'?
The existing ducting runs along the floor and above the windows, with outlets at each seat.
I may need to boost the new unit with an auxiliary fan, maybe the type in kitchen or bathroom window extraction fans.

[Chops]

I had a split system in mine, worked well, but was not ducted. During the start of the refurbish, I bought a new split system for it with the plan to duct that up to the bedroom. I guess if you already have a system in the bus, you should be able to plumb a new/extra one into it as well.

[V8Ian]

Hey Paul, are you ignoring me? :(

[cuppabillytea]

Oh no!! You scared Scary. :o

[scarry]

Hey Paul, are you ignoring me? :(


Hmm,you called?

Probably as someone said,a wall split system would be the go,but you would have to mount the outdoor somewhere,or go for a roof top caravan style all in one unit,but then you have the problem of weatherproofing the penetration and it would stick out a bit above the roof level outside,around 350mm at a guess.

The roof top is the best option as they are designed for auto use,but due to the size of the bus you may need two,or if you only want to do, say the bedroom area only,you need a way of shutting the bedroom off from the rest of the bus.

The other problem is two units may overload the wherever the site power is coming from.

Plumbing into existing ducting would probably be too difficult,you would need a ducted split,not the more common wall split.Difficult to configure the ducting i am guessing.

Hope the above is not to confusing.:)

[scarry]

:)
Paul, I'm thinking air con at present. Would it be feasible to get a split system and plumb it into the existing ducting for the engine driven system? What power requirements would be needed for 40' x 8' x 8'?
The existing ducting runs along the floor and above the windows, with outlets at each seat.
I may need to boost the new unit with an auxiliary fan, maybe the type in kitchen or bathroom window extraction fans.

Around 29 square meters,floor area,if using during day,in hot weather and bus is in the sun,maybe need around 6KW,if only at night,5KW.

The other thing is any wall type split will have no warranty when in this type of application as the copper pipes love to fracture with vibration.This is another reason why the caravan style roof top suits the job better,but i haven't had much to do with them.Many people use the split systems,and they seem to survive,but some fail,i have fixed a few in motorhomes.

Earth to Rick130....may have some ideas as well..:)

[cuppabillytea]

What about a couple of caravan systems and cover the rest of the roof in solar panels to reduce the effect of solar heating. Bonus charge for the batteries as well. Down side is: You'll never get it into a shopping centre car park. :p:wasntme:

[Homestar]

What about a couple of caravan systems and cover the rest of the roof in solar panels to reduce the effect of solar heating. Bonus charge for the batteries as well. Down side is: You'll never get it into a shopping centre car park. :p:wasntme:

You could theoretically fit nearly 5KW based on the area available, but in practice, probably a lot less, but enough to run the place during the day and maybe even the AC depending on where you parked. The angle of the panels would give crap efficiency but with enough panels, you'd get around that.

You could keep the bus cool that way until the sun went down... :D

[Sitec]

In view of the questions I intend asking the AULRO brains trust, where should I post it?

I've only just found this thread, and this location.. Has it always been here!? "Trucks Busses and camper conversions".... Why didn't anyone suggest this when I bought my truck!! Feel guilty now about pestering Inc for a truck section which is seldom used! :(. In relation to that, Mods & powers that be, feel free to put the few truck threads in here and loose the truck area! And V8Ian... Thanks!! I now have tonight sorted in catching up!! :) Following with interest!

[Sitec]

Been removing sign writing today, my fingers are rather sensitive now.:(

Christ!! Its a proper 6x2 coach too!!! We have the same rear axles!! :)

[Homestar]

I've only just found this thread, and this location.. Has it always been here!? "Trucks Busses and camper conversions".... Why didn't anyone suggest this when I bought my truck!! Feel guilty now about pestering Inc for a truck section which is seldom used! :(. In relation to that, Mods & powers that be, feel free to put the few truck threads in here and loose the truck area! And V8Ian... Thanks!! I now have tonight sorted in catching up!! :) Following with interest!

I think this was created to find a spot for this thread. :D

Yours would fit in this forum without issue as would some others, but the truck forum has more in it that just camper conversions. Not sure if they would/should all be together - maybe I'll go ask... :)

[Sitec]

Ok, I've enjoyed that read!! I've also picked up on a few things.. and learned a few things! First.. Re the bed, IMO, make sure you have a defended divide between the bedroom and everywhere else. Lying in bed looking forwards, I'd have a large wardrobe on the left and one on the right.. His and hers if ya like! In the void behind the pillows, I'd have the book rack, and more his and hers storage (pouch style), and I'd be looking to utilising the storage area under the bed too.. Secondly re the bed area.. With however many ponies, a gearbox, mufflers etc underneath, be mindful of the heat that filters up for hours after stopping. You'll need a hatch somewhere above/behind you to let that heat out and one each side to let fresh air in.. Moving forward, I too agree.. Shower one side and toilet the other.. setup so that the doors swing and form additional room between the two giving a drying area/private area, and 100% privacy if you have guests! Re toilet, look to a composting toilet.. Talk to Spudboy. He has a Man Expedition Truck, and is on here and also The Expedition Portal. Composting is smell free, very easy to handle without slops, and separates the urine from the poo. Tip the urine out outside, and agitate the poo occasionally... that's it! Moving forward to the kitchen.. Again, a wardrobe.. 2 if room allows (one either side). One full of draws, containing consumables.. Jars and cans down low, dried stuff, sugars, rice, pasta etc in the middle and light stuff up top. On the opposite side, pots, pans, plates, glasses, cutlery etc again all in draws, but this time the draws would have foam cut so everything has it's place. No rattles. Both wardrobe doors open into the isle, and have double latches.. These support the draws when in transit, but also open across the isle and could form barrier 2 if required.. From here, one side would be work surface like you've drawn, sink, cupboards/draws underneath, and a cooker/stovetop.. 600x600x900 gas unit. On the opposing side you'd have a full height fridge/freezer against one of the wardrobes, and beside it heading forward you'd have a longish 'C' shaped seating area backing the wardrobe, running just under the windows and finishing 900mm short of your last seats backs.. In here is a double wardrobe for boots, coats and all the other crap associated with outdoors, wet, cold etc. you could do with a matching one on the left behind the co driver.. These form your protective bulkheads which I agree you do need. We are having a small access thru from our body to cab and the box will be totally separate. Lastly... Just 12v... Are you sure...? You have a huge space under the living quarters.. I'd be thinking along the lines of a silent Honda of sorts.. 3-7kva, and also finding some way of making it run that huge AC unit that's atop your machine.. There will be a way. There always is, and with all that glass, you're gona need it!! I'm working with 5.5m length, 2.0m high and the same width as you.. You have a lot of space!! :)

[Sitec]

The truck forum has more in it that just camper conversions. Not sure if they would/should all be together - maybe I'll go ask... :)


Its all in the headings.. Instead of "Truck Busses and Camper Conversions", it becomes "Trucks, Busses, and Overland Conversions"! There.. Problem solvered! :D. Just make sure it ends up somewhere more prominent where we can find it again! :)

[Sitec]

Ian, a few questions if you have the data handy.

- what is the tare weight of the coach?
- what is the GVM
- what can it tow/GCM?
- approximate fuel consumption?

I'm starting to do some reasearch... ;)

Gav... "A bus is no good for you... Nooooo.. You.. like me want to go off road!!" (Said with a Clarkson voice)!! ;) The Cape.. High Country, Gibb River Road etc etc awaits us! You need a 4WD truck!! If you had a bus, we'd find u bellied somewhere you shouldn't be.. :wasntme:

[Homestar]

Gav... "A bus is no good for you... Nooooo.. You.. like me want to go off road!!" (Said with a Clarkson voice)!! ;) The Cape.. High Country, Gibb River Road etc etc awaits us! You need a 4WD truck!! If you had a bus, we'd find u bellied somewhere you shouldn't be.. :wasntme:

I'd go off road in the Perentie I'd tow behind it.. ;)

We're more than half thinking of selling up everything soon (within a couple of years after No 1 Son moves out) and building a huge shed at the outlaws place so store everything in/build a Motor home so we can chuff off semi permanently on the road. A 4wd truck would be too small, but a 6x2 coach with 2 slide outs.... :cool:

A big trailer behind with a Perentie filled with camping gear and maybe a Postie Bike would see us sorted for the Milk run and heading bush once 'Base Camp' is established with the Coach.

[Sitec]

I'd go off road in the Perentie I'd tow behind it.. ;)

We're more than half thinking of selling up everything soon (within a couple of years after No 1 Son moves out) and building a huge shed at the outlaws place so store everything in/build a Motor home so we can chuff off semi permanently on the road. A 4wd truck would be too small, but a 6x2 coach with 2 slide outs.... :cool:

A big trailer behind with a Perentie filled with camping gear and maybe a Postie Bike would see us sorted for the Milk run and heading bush once 'Base Camp' is established with the Coach.

Don't sell, rent.. Have several friends who sold and went travelling.. Once done they had nothing to return to, and little to purchase something with..

Re the vehicle behind.. Trailers add weight.. A SWB series fitted with 4 free wheeling hubs, the hubs packed with grease, and a separate 'trailer lights' circuit has the job done! (That's the plan for SWIMBO's Ser 2)

Interesting that we are thinking along the same lines tho.. There's a lot doing it in the US, Europe are not far behind.. The world's a changing! :)

[Homestar]

Don't sell, rent.. Have several friends who sold and went travelling.. Once done they had nothing to return to, and little to purchase something with..

Re the vehicle behind.. Trailers add weight.. A SWB series fitted with 4 free wheeling hubs, the hubs packed with grease, and a separate 'trailer lights' circuit has the job done! (That's the plan for SWIMBO's Ser 2)

Interesting that we are thinking along the same lines tho.. There's a lot doing it in the US, Europe are not far behind.. The world's a changing! :)

It's all up in the air at the moment, but we will have to sell to afford the shed and coach. The Inlaws farm will be our home when we get back - that is SWMBO's to inherit alone, so no dramas with a place to call home when we are done and that was always the plan anyway to move down there. The Inlaws are getting on a bit now and are happy for us to move in before they shuffle off to look after the place and them.

As for the trailer v towing a small vehicle, that is still waaaay too far down the track to finalise plans for. :)

Better stop hijacking Ian's thread now - sorry about that! :)

[V8Ian]

'Bout time I updated this thread. Progress has been snail like, mainly due to work commitments but, woodworking/carpentry and myself, not being close companions, has been a big contributer also.
I think the fuel bill running back and forth to the big green shed has been greater than the material costs.
The kitchen has been engineered, reverse engineered and trial assembled, now ready to be disassembled and reassembled in situ.

[V8Ian]

P.S. Gav, an old mate of ours, from here and another forum was concerned for your welfare, he wasn't aware of your name change. I told him you are still wreaking havoc.;)

[Homestar]

P.S. Gav, an old mate of ours, from here and another forum was concerned for your welfare, he wasn't aware of your name change. I told him you are still wreaking havoc.;)

Now I'm intrigued. I thought everyone here knew of my mid life crisis and name change.... :D

The only other forum I visit regularly is the classic caravan forum - anyone from there?

[V8Ian]

Now I'm intrigued. I thought everyone here knew of my mid life crisis and name change.... :D

The only other forum I visit regularly is the classic caravan forum - anyone from there?
Yep, Chucky. :)

[Chops]

Once I turned my screen on its side,,, looking good Ian. ;)

[cuppabillytea]

Ian!!! Major design fault.:o

The water will never stay in the sink if you install it that way.

[Homestar]

Yep, Chucky. :)

He's been scarce around here for a while - not sure why, but he is on the carrapvam forum quite a bit. I haven't posted much on there either, recently but I do pop my head in there from time to time.

[V8Ian]

Ian!!! Major design fault.:o

The water will never stay in the sink if you install it that way.

Depends how fast I go 'round corners.:burnrubber:

[V8Ian]

He's been scarce around here for a while - not sure why, but he is on the carrapvam forum quite a bit. I haven't posted much on there either, recently but I do pop my head in there from time to time.

He no longer owns any Land Rover products, I told him we're as much a social forum as technical, so hopefully he'll keep posting.

[cuppabillytea]

Depends how fast I go 'round corners.:burnrubber:

Aha, another use for gimbals.

[V8Ian]

Gav, do you know much about forklift /ep et al batteries, price, capacities and physical dimensions?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

they are tall for a small base,, my last crown needed watering every day,
not something I'd use-- :confused:

[Homestar]

Gav, do you know much about forklift /ep et al batteries, price, capacities and physical dimensions?

Not really, but our work does access equipment some of which uses similar batteries, so I can ask.

As Pedro mentioned I think they are quite tall - what sort of capacity are you looking for?

[V8Ian]

Not really, but our work does access equipment some of which uses similar batteries, so I can ask.

As Pedro mentioned I think they are quite tall - what sort of capacity are you looking for?

Not really sure, it's all smoke and mirrors to me. Some quote kva, others watts???:confused:
I'd like to run an air-con overnight with 1500 - 2000 watts to spare for other appliances.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I have a concern about their ability to handle vibrations,,
all batt forks are designed to run on flat concrete--
pushed by an elec motor--
not some huge GM thundering monstrosity ;)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

You need to find the rating of the aircon---;)

[Homestar]

Not really sure, it's all smoke and mirrors to me. Some quote kva, others watts???:confused:
I'd like to run an air-con overnight with 1500 - 2000 watts to spare for other appliances.

You'll need a LOT of capacity to run an AC overnight. Say it draws around 2000 watts when the compressor is on - call it a 50% duty cycle, you'll need to be able to supply 1000 watts continuously - so 8 to 10KWH overnight.

My figures may but a bit out without using a calculator or knowing what AC you're running, but it will give you an idea.

So, if you don't want to drag your batteries down below say 40% then you would need the equivalent of around 40 x 100AH batteries to do this. That's about 1.2 tonnes of batteries and over $10,000 to buy.

Next problem is charging them when the sun comes up. You'd need around 3KW of panels to do this if they were oriented correctly so call it double that if they are flat in the roof of the bus. Another $7k there for the panels and inverter.

You up for running a couple of fans yet? That IS doable - I can run a 240 volt pedestal fan through my inverter all night from 2 x 100AH batteries.

[LandyAndy]

You'll need a LOT of capacity to run an AC overnight. Say it draws around 2000 watts when the compressor is on - call it a 50% duty cycle, you'll need to be able to supply 1000 watts continuously - so 8 to 10KWH overnight.

My figures may but a bit out without using a calculator or knowing what AC you're running, but it will give you an idea.

So, if you don't want to drag your batteries down below say 40% then you would need the equivalent of around 40 x 100AH batteries to do this. That's about 1.2 tonnes of batteries and over $10,000 to buy.

Next problem is charging them when the sun comes up. You'd need around 3KW of panels to do this if they were oriented correctly so call it double that if they are flat in the roof of the bus. Another $7k there for the panels and inverter.

You up for running a couple of fans yet? That IS doable - I can run a 240 volt pedestal fan through my inverter all night from 2 x 100AH batteries.

Sounds like you are saying TOUGHEN UP PRINCESS:):):):):):):):)
Andrew

[Homestar]

Sounds like you are saying TOUGHEN UP PRINCESS:):):):):):):):)
Andrew

Pretty much... :D

[cuppabillytea]

:angel::wasntme:deleted post: Wrong victim.

[JDNSW]

Perhaps worth pointing out that a relatively small, very well soundproofed, diesel generator would cost a lot less, weigh a lot less and occupy a lot less space than sufficient batteries and panels to run airconditioning.

On this note I might mention that my nephew, who is currently converting a bus to a motor home, is planning a large trailer that will have, on the back two thirds, a flatbed for his small car, and on the front a full height closed section with a back wall that folds out when the car is off to reveal his workshop including lathe, drill press, welder etc - and diesel generator. The bus will have solar panels on the roof, and 'house' batteries, but the aircon will normally run only when the generator is running as I understand it.

John

[scarry]

I would presume an AC would be a fair bit less than 2000watt,depending on capacity.The trick is to try to seal off as small an area as possible to cool,and if used at night it will use less power.

Current model wall splits of 5.0kw,as an example only draw approx 6.5amps,and a 3.5kw draws slightly less than 4 amp.I don't have any figures for roof mounted units,google may help.;)

[bee utey]

Sounds like you could do it on a Tesla Powerwall 2, only 110kg and 13.5kWh usable capacity...

RRP is $A8000 plus installation costs....

http://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-23-at-10.34.34-AM.png

[V8Ian]

Hmmmm, might have to revert to the waterbed, with ice cubes.:D
An auxiliary generator was always in the plan.
I have heard of a fellow who has three tonnes of batteries in a similar conversation, he can run two aircon units overnight.
Another option is to run the existing compressor from a small engine, instead of the 360 HP it is currently driven by.

[pop058]

Are you trying to a/c the whole shebang or just your bunk overnight ?

[V8Ian]

The whole show Paul, it's just a tad over 40 m3.

[Homestar]

The Tesla power wall would certainly come into its own in your application Ian.

You could run a generator - and probably get an installation to be very quiet if you spent some time making a custom enclosure in the cargo area for it as well.

Certainly to future proof the setup, buy an inverter that can take both a genset and battery bank so one or both can be hooked up into it. I think you'd get about 3KW of solar panels on the roof of the coach which would run everything easily during the day unless you parked under a tree, so you could sit there in the sun with the engine off and have the whole place as cool as a cucumber.

You'd still need some batteries to run smaller item over night, but you could start small and add as you go.

[V8Ian]

It looks the goods Gav, but I'll have to change my lunch order from bacon, egg and cheese roll to Vegemite, until I've saved eight grand.:(

[Mick_Marsh]

What I've often said, it's too warm up there.

Move down here. Park under a shady tree and open a window.
It cools down most nights down this way.

[V8Ian]

None of the windows open, Mick. :no2:

[Homestar]

Yeah, that's something common to pretty much all coaches made in the last 20 odd years. It's one thing I'm yet to figure out if I end up doing something similar. In sure you could do something, but like everything, cost would be the deciding factor I think as the bonded glass is structural, so I would imagine Engineering of some description is required if you wanted to change any of them...

[Mick_Marsh]

Hmmm.....

Put a frozen chook with vegies in a pan on the kitchen table in the morning. It'll be done by dinner.

[V8Ian]

The glass doesn't appear structural and I'm sure a coach builder could convert them to top sliders but, at what cost? Also opening windows lower the security level (when I'm in Victoria ;-)) .

[Chops]

None of the windows open, Mick. :no2:

In my mind, this is a major issue if you want to free camp, otherwise you need to have lots of power "on tap" all the time. $$$$
Ours had the small opening sliding windows, which IMO was "just" acceptable, fans could then at least circulate the air, draw in fresh, push out/exhaust stale. We have a gen that could run whilst the bus was on the move or stopped, it had a super long exhaust which quietened it down somewhat.
As far as the windows go, there's no reason why you couldn't make several of them open, just need to create a frame with which to do it in order for them to push outwards.

[LandyAndy]

Stopped in at an overnite rest spot for a look see on the way back from Exmouth a few months back.
There was an old Bedford bus converted to a camper.It had a bloody noisy old fashioned 3kva generator on the rear bumper screaming away,just above it an old style wall mount aircon.
I thought you got lynched these days if you started up one of those gensets in a campground.
Andrew

[Chops]

humm,, double post even

[V8Ian]

Bugga, major design flaw with the kitchen bench.:mad:
I have constructed the back supports 75 mm too far back, I failed to take into account the air con ducting on the floor. I think I can save it by mitreing (?) and reinforcing with MDF.
Most annoying.

[V8Ian]

Hmmm.....

Put a frozen chook with vegies in a pan on the kitchen table in the morning. It'll be done by dinner.

Not confident about cooking chook like that Mick, but a three hour egg would certainly be ready by 14:00. :D

[Mick_Marsh]

Not confident about cooking chook like that Mick, but a three hour egg would certainly be ready by 14:00. :D
Well, if you don't like chook, maybe gourmet pizza?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/116.jpg

Mmmm........

Tasty.

Or some lamb, perhaps.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/matt-moran-cooks-lamb-in-a-hot-car-to-show-danger-to-children-locked-inside-20151203-glf7xn.html

[Sitec]

I'm going with a 7kva Honda.. As Gav said to me a while back, 'that won't power a small house, it'll power a big one'! Going with a petrol Honda as its super quiet. It'll live in the truck, but now has a hook up point in the workshop which will run the whole property. You could have it in one of the low lockers on the right hand side.. Small ramp and wheel it out when you want to use it.. :)

[V8Ian]

In my mind, this is a major issue if you want to free camp, otherwise you need to have lots of power "on tap" all the time. $$$$
Ours had the small opening sliding windows, which IMO was "just" acceptable, fans could then at least circulate the air, draw in fresh, push out/exhaust stale. We have a gen that could run whilst the bus was on the move or stopped, it had a super long exhaust which quietened it down somewhat.
As far as the windows go, there's no reason why you couldn't make several of them open, just need to create a frame with which to do it in order for them to push outwards.
I've just realised that we have a couple of el-cheapo, square fans in the house. They're light and narrow in profile. I reckon I could fit them into the roof hatches, one sucking, the other blowing.
I wonder if she'd miss them. :angel:

[Narangga]

I've just realised that we have a couple of el-cheapo, square fans in the house. They're light and narrow in profile. I reckon I could fit them into the roof hatches, one sucking, the other blowing.
I wonder if she'd miss them. :angel:

If she does, let us know if it becomes a suck or blow...

[Pedro_The_Swift]

generators on wheels?? thats just way too hard.
go here. bolt in. press button. relax.
https://cumminsengines.com/motorhome-and-rv-generators

[Homestar]

generators on wheels?? thats just way too hard.
go here. bolt in. press button. relax.
https://cumminsengines.com/motorhome-and-rv-generators

Yep, if you had the dollars for one they are excellent units - I've installed and commissioned quite a few back in the day. They are very quiet out of the box but they are also able to be enclosed by a second canopy with just a duct in and duct out which makes them virtually silent.

Quite expensive though - last time I looked around $8K for a 5KVA, but worth it if money is no object.

I've serviced units that still run well after 10,000 hours - not bad for a little 2 cylinder petrol engine. :)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Well if I had to choose between a D2 rattler and aircon--- ;)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Over 18 months of nothing...
Whats the go here Ian??
You off round OZ without telling anyone?

[Chops]

He has been a little on the slack in reporting on progress ehh??

Perhaps he's done it on the quiet and has rocked up at Goomeri (now in disguise) in the finished version??

[V8Ian]

Sorry Chops,

148738

nearly done. [biggrin]

[V8Ian]

A SWB series fitted with 4 free wheeling hubs, the hubs packed with grease, and a separate 'trailer lights' circuit has the job done! (That's the plan for SWIMBO's Ser 2)
How does one reverse such a combination?

[Chops]

What are you doing Ian,, you working on the girl or what,, we're still waiting [biggrin]