Adaptive Cruise Control and ARB Bull Bar

[rhinosm]

I had ARB Summit Bull Bar fitted today.
Got a call to say that the Adaptive Cruise Control Radar which is located behind plastic bumper bar will now be behind steel bull bar and therefore won't work.
ARB say they haven't got around to that yet.
It's low on priority list.
I rang LR who said they don't know if radar will work to spec if relocated.
The said if relocated will likely void warranty.
Has anyone come across this problem?
Something to be where of for those planning to fit bull bar.

[Meken]

Did you tell them it had acc? If you did I'd be having a serious chat with the manager about not fit for purpose

[rhinosm]

Is the responsibility on me to advise ARB, as advertising states it has mounting brackets.

[David47]

In discussions with ARB prior to placing any order, we realised that the ARB bull bar does not make any allowance for the D4 surround camera. The local manager is chasing up whether the front cameras can be relocated onto the bar.

[Mungus]

That's pretty poor coming from a company that says they put so much into design and development. Advertising it has the mounting brackets for ACC, but not testing to see if it is functional.
So far as cameras go, I will find a spot for them in the under protection panels and not in the bar. Once again pretty poor considering it is only a couple of small holes. They could have had my car for design purposes.


Out of interest Rhinosm, did the factory fog lights get refitted?

[rhinosm]

Factory fog lights don't fit.
New fog lights.
I pick it this morning and will have to take up ACC issue with head office.

[Meken]

Is the responsibility on me to advise ARB, as advertising states it has mounting brackets.


Well that's entirely different then - ask for a refund - product not as advertised - I'd be spitting chips

[rhinosm]

Ive been told by ARB head office they have no intention of making the changes necessary to accommodate ACC.
My options are to keep as is or they will return to original, no bull bar.
I need some thinking music.

[rocket rod]

I agree about taking it back. They specifically state in the advertising material that it supports the cruise control and it doesn't. You have a right to return it and they reinstate your car back to the way it was. Give 'em grief. I hate it when companies promise everything and don't deliver. It causes so much wasted time and effort on everyone's behalf.

[rhinosm]

So the dilemma is,
If you want a Bull Bar you can't have ACC.
They are happy to reinstate to original.
So how badly do I want a BB?

[Graeme]

Is there 1 or 2 radar units? If only 1 then it might be feasible to relocate it to behind the grille just above the bumper, or even behind the top of the grille although probably would have to extend the wires.

[rhinosm]

Hi Graeme
I've just been reading some old threads on ACC.
My thinking is to relocate above, in behind grill.
LR say it will void warranty.
Also not having any experience with ACC, I'm not sure about aligning and calibration>
On Ford Ranger, ARB move them sideways about 200mm.
The BB has a grill area where it may work.

[LRD414]

Is it only the ACC that would be affected? Does the standard CC still work?

Scott

[Graeme]

With some more consideration, behind the grille is likely to pick-up the verticals on the bull-bar so the radar unit would need to sit on top and near the front of the bumper section, possibly in a plastic box to disguise it.

Only ACC would be affected.

[rhinosm]

Bugger me!
The ACC is working.
Must be thru the gap between number plate and bar.
I haven't told ARB yet.
I want to see over weekend when I go for a decent drive.
Obviously if I fit a winch it will be completely blocked.

[drelectro]

Personally I'd be VERY nervous about relocating the ACC radar sensor without factory approval.

Warranty is one thing but If you are involved in an accident particularly one where the ACC was operational you may have all sorts of liability issues.

As an electronics engineer I would be worried that even if the system appears to work ok with the sensor relocated there may be cases where the relocation introduces unexpected results.

Oh, I'd also be nervous about it working through the bar as it is

[Graeme]

Relying on ACC is no defence for running into someone /something as the driver is still meant to be in control of the vehicle.

[RHS58]

I rarely use CC.
Can't think of the last time.
But then I'm rarely on the roads it's suited to.

What about others?

Ron

[apom]

Adaptive Cruise Control....how to get?

[Disco4Dave]

Adaptive Cruise Control....how to get?
Two ways:
1. Tick the box on the new vehicle order form and then pay extra money.
2. It MIGHT be possible to retrofit, but would require buy additional hardware at spare-parts prices, and then having the knowledge to fit that hardware and the knowledge and tools to reconfigure/reprogram the appropriate modules to make it work.

[kenl]

Two ways:
1. Tick the box on the new vehicle order form and then pay extra money.
2. It MIGHT be possible to retrofit, but would require buy additional hardware at spare-parts prices, and then having the knowledge to fit that hardware and the knowledge and tools to reconfigure/reprogram the appropriate modules to make it work.

I have gone option 2 and am still working on it, I have all the hardware fitted but on the few attempts I've made I have not managed to activate it using a BBs MSV2. I have however since then installed new firmware on the MSV2 and am soon to receive an IDD tool from Gap solutions thanks to the group buy on this site.

So I will soon reattempt to get this gear running, fingers crossed!!

[LRD414]

I have gone option 2 and am still working on it, I have all the hardware fitted but on the few attempts I've made I have not managed to activate it using a BBs MSV2. I have however since then installed new firmware on the MSV2 and am soon to receive an IDD tool from Gap solutions thanks to the group buy on this site.
So I will soon reattempt to get this gear running, fingers crossed!!
If you have a win Ken could you please write up a few details in a thread (parts/costs/ccf/etc).

Cheers,
Scott

[Grentarc]

I have gone option 2 and am still working on it, I have all the hardware fitted but on the few attempts I've made I have not managed to activate it using a BBs MSV2. I have however since then installed new firmware on the MSV2 and am soon to receive an IDD tool from Gap solutions thanks to the group buy on this site.

So I will soon reattempt to get this gear running, fingers crossed!!
Make sure you ask Patrick for full CCF access on your IID Tool

[Graeme]

I have gone option 2 and am still working on it, I have all the hardware fitted but on the few attempts I've made I have not managed to activate it using a BBs MSV2. I have however since then installed new firmware on the MSV2 and am soon to receive an IDD tool from Gap solutions thanks to the group buy on this site.

So I will soon reattempt to get this gear running, fingers crossed!!
What year model D4 do you have?

I've looked at what's required to add ACC to my MY12 RRV and have spotted that the ABS modulator on slightly earlier VINs is different when ACC is fitted. Mine has the correct ABS modulator, being a late MY12. I haven't looked in to possible differences for D4s.

[kenl]

Hi Graeme,

My car is a 2011 sdv6, how do I check which modulator I have?

Ken

[SBD4]

What year model D4 do you have?

I've looked at what's required to add ACC to my MY12 RRV and have spotted that the ABS modulator on slightly earlier VINs is different when ACC is fitted. Mine has the correct ABS modulator, being a late MY12. I haven't looked in to possible differences for D4s.
I have some parts I am willing to give away if you are interested. Not sure they would suit the RRV as they are for the RRS1. I have the radar unit, ECU and some other bits and pieces.

[Graeme]

Ken,

I'll see what I can glean from Microcat and elsewhere.

Sean,

Thanks. I'll check part numbers and get back to you via a PM.

[Graeme]

Ken,
If you sourced parts from a RRS, do you know the vehicle's VIN? Also, is your VIN later than 551483?

It's possible that your ABS module might simply need later s/w.

[kenl]

Hi Graeme,

My VIN is later than that (=+ 572000), I don't know the source of my parts though, the radar was second hand, the ECU new, and the steering wheel buttons new as well.

I just know they fit the part numbers being thrown about on the rather lengthy thread relating to this on the disco3 site.

I'm hoping the user interface on the GAP IDD tool is as good as it looks and that the support is as good as it sounds, I have no reason to think differently.

I don't know yet what they have implemented with regards to ACC but when I search for functionality of my model on their site ACC is supported to at least some extent.

Like I said, fingers crossed I can get it working, every thing is fitted so it's just a case of getting it recognized.

Ken

[Graeme]

Ken, if you had a thread going, could you provide a link to it please?

PS I just bought a supposedly new radar unit for MY10+ RRS/L322 and probably D4 if the D4 ABS & ecm s/w can support it for less than $300 landed. I'll buy the switch later.

[Graeme]

I have some parts I am willing to give away if you are interested. Not sure they would suit the RRV as they are for the RRS1. I have the radar unit, ECU and some other bits and pieces.
I just bought the correct radar unit for my vehicle, listed as new at 145 GBP - too hard to pass-up.

[kenl]

This is the link at disco3 DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - ACC (adaptive Cruise Control) Retrofit (http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic74744.html?highlight=acc)

There is a somewhat parallel thread here that you have contributed quite a lot so I am sure you across that one.

Ken

[Graeme]

Ken, I suggest that we continue this privately at this time.

[Graeme]

This is the link at disco3 DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - ACC (adaptive Cruise Control) Retrofit (http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic74744.html?highlight=acc)

There is a somewhat parallel thread here that you have contributed quite a lot so I am sure you across that one.

Ken
Now that I've re-familiarised myself with the earlier threads, perhaps best to continue with the original thread at http://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/165835-adaptive-cruise-control-d4-4.html

Has CMbB been enabled in the CCF? I note that for my RRV the %set matches the %set of the other ACC parameters.

[kenl]

Yes CMbB had been enabled in the CCF, BUT that was before the current firmware.. I will post any updates on the original thread..

[rhinosm]

For those interested,
I recently fitted a winch, Runva 11XP, to ARB Bull Bar.
The ACC is working fine.
I honestly thought with winch in place it would be blocked, but there is enough of a gap for it to work.

[Graeme]

Is your radar unit mounted in the centre or to one side?

[rhinosm]

Dead centre Graeme.
It has a gap across the top of winch, thru grill on bull bar.

[AndrewM]

Dead centre Graeme.
It has a gap across the top of winch, thru grill on bull bar.
Do you recon therefore that the winch controller must be mount off the winch and on top of the access cover on top of the bar like you have done, because it would block the radar if mounted directly on the winch frame? This would apply to any brand of winch.

Great to hear the ACC still works. I'm off to ARB for a chat this week, but not sure how they'll take a Runva discussion!

Andrew

[rhinosm]

Hi Andrew
I think by mounting it directly onto of winch would block radar.
Obviously I haven't tried but it is part of the reasoning I went with mounting access cover plate.
ARB supply a winch mount kit, which includes a mounting bracket and plate for control box.
It then sits half way down in hole vacated by access cover.
I looked at this and decided to follow Mungus install as it was much neater, as well as getting the control box out of radar's way.
Again, I wasn't 100% sure until I put it all together and tested.
In the ARB kit is a Hawse Fairlead adaptor to position it centre, I think it only applies to rope winch not wire.
They also have a kit for flip up number plate.
They tried to convince me not to mount control box on cover plate, but they weren't aware of all the intricacies.
I did have to cut the bottom off the radar mounting bracket as it clashed with winch when reinstalling bull bar with winch.
I cut the bracket on each side of radar, at narrow section.

[AndrewM]

... decided to follow Mungus install as it was much neater, as well as getting the control box out of radar's way....


Thanks Rhinosm.

I recall seeing some great photos by Mungus of his Runva install including cutting the ARB cover plate to mount the control box, but I can't find these anywhere, not even in his gallery. Got any ideas where I might look please?

Andrew

[rhinosm]

Hi
try this link, Mungus has some really helpful photos.
D4 Landrover Bull Bar - latest news (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/125759-d4-landrover-bull-bar-latest-news-45.html)

I've attached a few more also.

[AndrewM]

Finally got the ARB Summit bar fitted. Good news is that like rhinosm's experience the Adaptive Cruise Ccontrol still works [bigsmile1], although it seemed to get a little confused in the rain last w/e. Bad news is that neither a SmittyBilt nor Warn winch could be installed as they both physically hit the ACC [bigsad]. So I'll have to try a Runva if I can first determine the clearance between the back of the winch and the ACC unit.

Also fitted ARB Intensity lights which are awesome, just like on the old D3. Relay is fitted on the LH wing, just behind the LH headlight.

[rhinosm]

Hi Andrew
I to have had a fault on ACC in rain, "Radar is Blocked" type of message.

I did have to cut the bottom off the radar mounting bracket as it clashed with winch when reinstalling bull bar with winch.
The lower piece with a black rubber strip on it, I cut off half way up the vertical section.

[loanrangie]

To save me starting a new post, is anyone interested in fitting ACC to their D3 ? Found some new ECU's in the US for USD28 and seeing if anyone else wants to buy one to lower the postage a bit.