Is my D4 too heavy ? ? ?

[Garfield]

I put my 2016 D4 over the public weigh bridge yesterday and shecame in at a whopping 2860 kg ? with ? fuel,no passengers but including all additional equipment and accessories. To this we need to add some rock sliders 34kg and compressor guard 6kg coming soon- to get her to 2,900kg. This works out at 317kg( 2,900 kg weight less 2583 kerb weight inc fuel no passengers ) worth of accessories and recovery/tools/aircompressor. This leaves only 340 kg for passengers, food and camping equipment.

Does she need to go on a diet ?????? :confused:


EC Kerb Weight 2,583kg ( including full fuel )
GVM 3,240 kg (including passengers and load )
Gross Train Weight 6,740 kg ( including braked trailer )

[Tombie]

It's the sad reality. If you're travelling you need a trailer to stay legal.

[Mick_Marsh]

What is the GCM of a D4?

[weeds]

Just load up and go.......everybody else does, if only you didn't go over the weigh bridge you would never know.

Although I have a weight bridge at work.....it's difficult to stay under with a family of five and a POS Lux, hopefully the new defender will even the stakes

[Bytemrk]

It's the sad reality. If you're travelling you need a trailer to stay legal.

Or do what I do.... leave everyone else at home :D

[Narangga]

What is the GCM of a D4?

As per the OP

Gross Train Weight 6,740 kg ( including braked trailer )

[carlschmid2002]

I put all the gear in the camper trailer. My D3 weighed in at 3.08t at the rubbish dump with about 50kg of rubbish on board, me and a two year old. I had 180L of fuel in the tanks. It is something I am very aware of as I start to accessorise my D4.

[scarry]

Mine weighed in at 2750kg at the dump,on the way out,3/4 tank of fuel and driver,nothing else.

Many people have no idea that their vehicles are often way overloaded.

I recently saw a van with a bent factory fitted tow bar.Once i showed the owner the plate on the bar,max 1100kg,braked,he was amazed.:o

This seems to be a learning curve for many.

[Garfield]

Maybe fix the overload problem by leaving the family at home and ancillary crap, and use my remaining 340kg for food and beer :) :):)

[Garfield]

I can see a camper trailer coming to help with the weight problem. I guess you get extra storage room too... as well as some comfort :)


And the weight of 2860kg didn't include an additional spare wheel, roof rack or Gerry cans of diesel

[Stuart02]

I can see a camper trailer coming to help with the weight problem. I guess you get extra storage room too... as well as some comfort :)


And the weight of 2860kg didn't include an additional spare wheel, roof rack or Gerry cans of diesel

Just weighed my second spare wheel - 34kg! Yikes...

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[scarry]

Just weighed my second spare wheel - 34kg! Yikes...

Sent from my SM-G900I using AULRO mobile app

The bigger the tyre size,and the heavier the tyre load rating,the heavier the tyre.So with five it all adds up.

[Tombie]

And is one of the forgotten items when people are working out their vehicle weight.

Each LT is approximately 4-8kg heavier than the Standard tyre it replaces.

[Garfield]

Hey Stuart02,


The spare wheel you weighed at 34kg, is that a LR alloy wheel ? LT tyres ?

[Stuart02]

Hey Stuart02,


The spare wheel you weighed at 34kg, is that a LR alloy wheel ? LT tyres ?

Yeah, 275/45/20 Cooper LTZ (AT passenger construction) on a Range Rover 20 x 9.5 5-spoke alloy

[Garfield]

Thanks Stuart. I suspect my compomotive 18" with BFG Ko2 265/60r18 probably weigh more than 34kg.


On different subject my friend has just bought a brand new D4 Landmark with 20" LR and he wants to change to AT tyres.


How do you like the Cooper LTZ ? My friend mainly wants tyres for road, snow and ice ( he likes skiing )

[jonesy63]

Just for reference, here are some of the wheel/tyre combination weights that I made a couple of years ago:

18"x8" LR D3/D4 18" alloy wheel and Goodyear Wrangler P255/60R18 = 28kg
17"x7" LR D3 alloy wheel and BF Goodrich KM2 MT LT245/70R17 = 36kg
17"x7" Dynamic steel wheel and BF Goodrich KM2 MT LT245/70R17 = 42kg

Note that it is also a lot more inertia to overcome and increased fuel economy - especially in traffic - is normal.

[Garfield]

Yes, I've notice my fuel economy has gone up about an extra1 lt / 100km around the city since fitting my BFG KO2 ( compared to the original 19 LR wheels with standard Wranglers ) but haven't noticed muchdifference on the highway ( as not stopping and starting I guess ) . But generally fuel economy is quite reasonable for such a heavy vehicle.

[Ozzy119]

Weekend trip to dump with family on board, so weighed in at 2.90t

Two adults, 2 little ones, half tank fuel.

Front bar and winch (plasma rope), Rhino platform roof rack with awning, duel battery.

cheers

[shanegtr]

I reckon my D3 would be one of the heavy weights - front ARB bar with winch, long range tank, kaymar rear bar and normally 2 adults and 4 kids onboard. Still, I'd like to add more weight in the form of rock sliders :)

[carlschmid2002]

I reckon my D3 would be one of the heavy weights - front ARB bar with winch, long range tank, kaymar rear bar and normally 2 adults and 4 kids onboard. Still, I'd like to add more weight in the form of rock sliders :)

Mine is the same. Weighed in at 3.08 Tonnes with a 2 year old on board. 180L of fuel and some green waste.

[letherm]

Weekend trip to dump with family on board, so weighed in at 2.90t



Haven't been to the dump for a while. Last time I went SWMBO found her way home by herself so it's not worth it.:wasntme::wasntme::wasntme:

[Narangga]

Mine is the same. Weighed in at 3.08 Tonnes with a 2 year old on board. 180L of fuel and some green waste.

They're mutually inclusive. :p :wasntme:

[Stuart02]

Thanks Stuart. I suspect my compomotive 18" with BFG Ko2 265/60r18 probably weigh more than 34kg.


On different subject my friend has just bought a brand new D4 Landmark with 20" LR and he wants to change to AT tyres.


How do you like the Cooper LTZ ? My friend mainly wants tyres for road, snow and ice ( he likes skiing )

I'm undecided about the LTZs TBH. They perform well on a variety of surfaces grip-wise - so for your mate they'd be very good in that respect. I've driven on plenty of different ATs - albeit on cars other than Land Rovers and smaller rims than 20s - but was surprised at the relative amount of noise and steering wheel feedback. It's not offensive but certainly noticeable. I can't say whether other brands would be better in the same profile and rim size. Fuel economy seems only marginally worse as far as I can tell.

For offroading there really isn't a heap of sidewall to play with (saw a local L320 again today with 285/50/20s and had buyer's regret again) and the side wall compound seems a bit soft - couple of gouges from day trips in sedimentary rock hill country.

We're about to hang a two week lap of the Flinders Ranges with the trailer so if driving reasonably they survive that, I'll be happy.

[weeds]

You guys would be buggered if you lived around Mascot.....I went for a run last week and noticed the side streets (residential) had signs saying 3T Limit.

[Garfield]

Glad I don't live in Mascot then he he he

[Garfield]

Thanks Stuart02 for your feed back on 265/45r20 LTZ. I believe my friend is also looking at the nitto grappler 265/50r20 which is one profile thicker. I did try suggesting to my friend to pick up a second hand set of 19 inch rims, which at least have a thicker tyre for more comfort and steering stability.

[Stuart02]

Thanks Stuart02 for your feed back on 265/45r20 LTZ. I believe my friend is also looking at the nitto grappler 265/50r20 which is one profile thicker. I did try suggesting to my friend to pick up a second hand set of 19 inch rims, which at least have a thicker tyre for more comfort and steering stability.

Theres been some good reports on the Nittos. Yeah it's definitely horses for courses. I borrowed some 19" rims with general grabbers and the ride was significantly better, but around town and on good bitumen I actually missed the positive feedback and turn-in of the 20s.