Positive Air helmet Respirators what is out there?

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Just wondering if there are any options other than the KASCO K80S T9 and T9R for outdoor dusty environments with pesticides Positive Air helmet Respirators?

Accessed 14th September 2016 from http://kasco.eu/en/devices-protection-individual/k80s-t9-and-t9r-respirators.

This is similar to the one I used to use back in the late 1990s.

I am just wondering if technology and the aspect of competition has improved since then? If so who are the competitors and what are their similar products?

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Don 130]

I used a good one in the late 70's.Bonfiglioli brand. It was like a space helmet with a rechargeable power/filter pack on the back. I've googled, but can't find a link for a similar item. There are others through Ebay etc. I searched Air Fed Dust Masks.
Don.

[Toxic_Avenger]

For welding, Speedglas Adflo is the bees knees, but pricey at upwards of 1800 clams.
3M do the versaflo visors which can also either run off a battery powered unit that provides positive pressure within the mask, or an air filter with in line oil filters and driers. Big dollars too.

Why do you require 'positive' air helmet? What exact work do you plan to do?

I'd recommend that you consult the SDS / MSDS for the PPE requirements before dropping the coin.
P1 masks range from cents for the disposables, up to 5-600 for the full face glass 'breaking bad' style units like the 3m 6900 optioned to the hilt with the full retard filters.
Basics liek the P1 filters are good for dust and particles. P2 filters for thermally generated particles (think grinding / welding) and then you get into the 'alphabet' A1B1 E and K organic vapour filters for high volatility solvents etc...

Best advice is know what you work with, and use a selection guide from any of the manufacturers* along with the MSDS to work out how crazy you should go. Yeas you need to look after your health, but positive air is proably overkill for the average person's requirements.

*Manufacturers include
3M
MSA
Speedglas
Protector
Honeywell
Also check out the paftec cleanspace 2.

[weeds]

We made a massive investment in PAR....

The Versaflo is for operators

For the boiler makers I purchase Speedglass, the boys rated over the 3M product. Keep in mind 3M own Speedglass which maybe the reason 3M haven't developed their welding helmet.

Our helmet enclose the ear/neck and shoulders.....biggest problem is communication in this configuration and than heat/sweat. We needed to manage product in eye, inhalation and product in contact with skin/neck I.e. Through top of shirt.
We also have the compressed air manifold which we use in confined space.

Q: what are you needing PAR for? The about options are a big investment. I assume you wouldn't need the level of protection we went for.

I do rate the 3M/Speedglass products.

[Northy]

Clean space. They're a bit annoying though

[Lionelgee]

We made a massive investment in PAR....

The Versaflo is for operators

For the boiler makers I purchase Speedglass, the boys rated over the 3M product. Keep in mind 3M own Speedglass which maybe the reason 3M haven't developed their welding helmet.

Our helmet enclose the ear/neck and shoulders.....biggest problem is communication in this configuration and than heat/sweat. We needed to manage product in eye, inhalation and product in contact with skin/neck I.e. Through top of shirt.
We also have the compressed air manifold which we use in confined space.

Q: what are you needing PAR for? The about options are a big investment. I assume you wouldn't need the level of protection we went for.

I do rate the 3M/Speedglass products.


G'day Weeds

Number One = Quality of Life. Number two = stupid male pride ....

To exclude air with traces of dust or pollen while operating machinery while doing normal bloke stuff on 2.5 acres. Not having to sit on my arse while my wife goes out and mows.

Used to use this type of respirator in the council nursery and green houses for spraying pretty toxic insecticides. So I am familiar with the system - we had the Kasco system. Not the best in summer in Queensland while wearing a full chemical suit on as well.

I am twice the legal requirement to be considered blind without having my specialist contact lenses in place. Since January I have become increasing sensitive to dust and pollen. It now overcomes the anti-allergen drops I have to use now twice a day until I fall off the perch. Well so my eye specialist said. My trade was parks, gardens and landscaping and I never had allergies. hay fever, ever. No matter how dusty, or what was in flower, or the time of the year. Not so much as a sneeze.

Since January there are occasions where without any other allergy symptoms at all, my tear drops literally turn to mud. This coats both sides of my ubute specialist contact lenses. The muddy tear drops coat the lenses inside and out and renders them opaque. My eyes are too stuffed for a set of glasses to do anything at all. Then after a having to take the lenses out, clean them, reinsert them multiple times throughout the day the eyes get irritated and the lenses have to stay out.

Over exposure to dust pollen equals two weeks of recovery and very intermittent contact lens wear. Plus using nuclear strength anti-allergen eye drops for the two weeks. There was a sugar cane harvest two weeks ago that lasted for three consecutive days right behind my house.

You did ask :p Oh I am in pirate mode at the moment - no left lens, right lens in and glasses to be able to have some ability to peck the right keys. With the left eye with the lens in I can read without glasses. Right eye needs lens and at least a monocle :cool: Thinking about buying one so both eyes can do their share of reading at the same time. This may be why my left (good) eye packs it in first as it does most of the heavy lifting.

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

I used a good one in the late 70's.Bonfiglioli brand. It was like a space helmet with a rechargeable power/filter pack on the back. I've googled, but can't find a link for a similar item. There are others through Ebay etc. I searched Air Fed Dust Masks.
Don.


G'day Don,

Businesses and products change over time. Apparently they are into gearboxes in a big way now ... Accessed 14th September 2016, from Gearmotors, gearboxes, motors, inverters, electric motors | Bonfiglioli (http://www.bonfiglioli.com.au/en-au)

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Northy]

So as i coal miner, I've worked with dust a bit. we were offered cleanspace, airstream helmets (both positive pressure but quiet bulky) i ended up going for a 3M 6000 series full face mask, its not positive pressure. Has two two canister filters and a pre-filter that goes on top. Theres a big mix of different canister filters like organic vapour etc. I used to wear these for 12hrs a day. There is a little extra breathing resistance and yeah they are a bit warmer because theres not a flow of air across your face. They don't fog up as long as the oreo-nasal cone is in place. At around 300-400 for a mask plus filters it think its your best bet.

[Surrufus]

I know it's not what you're after but another plus for the Adflow
All the boiler makers and welders at my last work ( engineering firm ) used the Speedglas Adflo, and they all love it.
They weld with innersheild / fluxcore and nasty hard facing wire in small, tight, confined, and enclosed spaces and they all mention it's like breathing fresh air.

[weeds]

Yep I did ask.......

Umm bunderberg....have a look at the 3M 405, pretty that what we use....actually I should know as I carry one in my ute, if it's makes your short list I might be able to help you out for a test run one......

[weeds]

The 200 or 300 series might be all you need, we have the 400's......they would all be similar if you want to try a 400

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/693104O/3m-versaflo-m-series-hard-hats-helmets-faceshields.pdf

[Lionelgee]

Yep I did ask.......

Umm bunderberg....have a look at the 3M 405, pretty that what we use....actually I should know as I carry one in my ute, if it's makes your short list I might be able to help you out for a test run one......


Hello Weeds,

Yep good old Blunder-berg ...

The other thing I did not mention is that I have a full beard so full lower shroud is the go. Toxic has also given me some leads to follow up too.

Thank you for everyone's polite suggestions When I get told where to go and what to do it is sometimes otherwise.:p

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Phil B]

I have used the 3m Versaflo in contaminated remediation (asbestos)
Found they work very well and the battery life is good (9hrs). They can also be used with a PTT or voice activated 2 way
As somebody said about $2k but well worth it
Phil

[CraigE]

Will have a look at what brand (I think 3M) Alcoa is using when I am down at the refinery next,they call them PAPR, but have not changed that much in 20 odd years. Used to use them often where there was fine Nickel dust when in production. I believe the improvements have been mainly in battery life and better fans with less noise.
They are a substantial investment though not sure of exact price.