18 inch 3.0 wheels.

[optimax90]

Spotted a 2016 3litre today with 18 inch csa raptor wheels today. Looked great I thought. Had 275/65/18 maxis bighorn tyres.
What's the go here? I thought only compomotive made 18,s for these ? 114861m

[Disco-tastic]

My guess is they shaved down the front calipers to fit them.

18s will fit the rear just fine.

Dan

[Garfield]

How much do you actually have to shave off the front callipers ? Is it a simple hand held grinder exercise ?

[optimax90]

I had a talk to the owner. No shaving of calipers. He bought them from bob Jane. They fitted straight on and cost $260 each!

[scarry]

I wonder what their load rating is?

Seems a bit weird as on the CSA site there is a note that they won't fit,maybe callipers are different 2016?

[RHS58]

1250kg according to the website.
Also says 18" will not fit - caliper too high
WTF?

[LandyAndy]

I asked Kevin at Rovertech,its only a few mm you need to remove.
My worry is if the vehicle was involved in a fatality you could get into a lot of trouble with the coronor.Im sure if the job was done evenly and neatly nobody would know.Its only the cooling fins that need trimming.
Andrew

[optimax90]

That's what I thought when I drove past it. Wtf! So I went and knocked on the door. Bob Jane moonah in Hobart. Might give them a call.

[LandyAndy]

Anyone got a 2.7L disc photo.My 3.0 with Compomotives.http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n216/LandyAndy_2006/Mobile%20Uploads/20161003_165335_zpsxsbabeq9.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20161003_165335_zpsxsbabeq9.jpg.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/773.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20161003_165341_zpsshwo5npr.jpg.html)

Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Is it a 2.7 disc??? Mine seems to have less clearance????
Vehicle is definitely a 3.0.
Andrew

[optimax90]

Definitely. Sdv6 2015.

[Russrobe]

Nice wheels look like the ones on my old mans 200 series. Should be load rated fine.

[~Rich~]

Info:
Note Disco 4 not listed just 2005>

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/765.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/Raptor_zpstmyfhvmq.jpg.html) https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/766.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/Jackal_zpsueq6f0yn.jpg.html)

[Aaron40]

35 pos offset sit out further than 53 of OE and further than 44 for Compomotives. This is the same offset as the standard the KMC Monster rims that someone fitted who lives in Karratha WA with a fin grind of 5mm. Are these offsets legal?

[cjc_td5]

35 pos offset sit out further than 53 of OE and further than 44 for Compomotives. This is the same offset as the standard the KMC Monster rims that someone fitted who lives in Karratha WA with a fin grind of 5mm. Are these offsets legal?

Other way around isn't it Aaron??

If the OE wheels are +53mm offset and the CSA wheels are +35mm, then the CSA wheels sit 18mm INBOARD than the OE wheels (wheel widths being equal)?

[Aaron40]

no the Compomotives that Landyandy has are Pos 44 and they sit out further than my OE19s that are pos 53, so pos 35 would sit out further again. Less offset means that the mounting plate is closer to the centre line of the wheel, so the tyre face will be sitting further out from the diffs ie wider track....

[cjc_td5]

no the Compomotives that Landyandy has are Pos 44 and they sit out further than my OE19s that are pos 53, so pos 35 would sit out further again. Less offset means that the mounting plate is closer to the centre line of the wheel, so the tyre face will be sitting further out from the diffs ie wider track....

Thanks. I must have been having a blonde moment (if I had any hair....) :)
Enough distractions, back to work....:mad:

Cheers,
Chris

[Aaron40]

I remember Gordon posting legal offsets and I thought low 40's were the extent of it.

[Russrobe]

If they fit and sit within the guards does it really matter?

[LRD414]

If they fit and sit within the guards does it really matter?

There is a maximum of 50mm increase to wheel track permitted (for Qld, assume other states similar), which is 25mm per side.

Regards,
Scott

[cjc_td5]

There is a maximum of 50mm increase to wheel track permitted (for Qld, assume other states similar), which is 25mm per side.

Regards,
Scott

I know this subject has been done to death, but my limited googling found in WA the track increase limited to 25mm, which I assume to be 12.5mm per side. That would rule these wheels out in WA.

[Russrobe]

I had a bad run with car write offs. I've written off 2. One was a D3 with 22" wheels (2" above legal) other was a old faimont that came out with 15" wheels, i had 19' on at the time, they paid me out extra because the wheels where on... You're call though. If you're only worried about legality, just saying...

[LRD414]

I know this subject has been done to death, but my limited googling found in WA the track increase limited to 25mm, which I assume to be 12.5mm per side.
That would rule these wheels out in WA.
In Qld the 25mm (12.5mm/side) is for passenger cars and 4WDs are allowed up to 50mm on the track (25mm/side)
Taken from the attached document. Not sure if WA is the same.

Regards,
Scott

[gghaggis]

There's a few other things aftermarket rims need to comply with, but in the case of rim offset, the CSA's are not legal in at least WA, Victoria and NSW.

I think the Territories would follow the National COP, so would be the same as Queensland. But I'd check.

Cheers,

Gordon

[g5k]

I found the details for SA, for someone who understands all of it would that mean these wheels are legal by SA specs?

Opening up other options legally I see there is a process to have your ground calipers approved too.

http://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/motoring/vehicles-and-registration/vehicle-standards-and-modifications/wheels-and-tyres

[LRD414]

I found the details for SA, for someone who understands all of it would that mean these wheels are legal by SA specs?

No. A quote from your link:
"Ensure the offset of the rim is not reduced by more than 13 mm from the original rim."

Scott

[LandyAndy]

So in WA and other states we just scrape in using GOE wheels,the featured wheel is over the offset by a small margin????
There is also the question wether the featured vehicle did or didn't have its calipers manicured which would be frowned upon.
I spoke to Aaron today,he is arranging to get a clean rim test fitted,he was talking to the WA distributor today.
Andrew

[Aaron40]

yes doing a trial fit on Monday. Looking at the photo of the D4 with the CSA wheels it looks as though the front wheel is sitting further out than the rear. It may have spacers on...

[carlschmid2002]

yes doing a trial fit on Monday. Looking at the photo of the D4 with the CSA wheels it looks as though the front wheel is sitting further out than the rear. It may have spacers on...

Let us know how they go. I am very keen.

[g5k]

Let us know how they go. I am very keen.


+ 1

[RHS58]

Firstly, offset wrong.
Secondly, may need to shave calipers.
Thirdly, may need to add spacers.

Yep, look good, but how is anyone going to make them legal?

[cjc_td5]

Firstly, offset wrong.
Secondly, may need to shave calipers.
Thirdly, may need to add spacers.

Yep, look good, but how is anyone going to make them legal?

Apart from the (minor) offset issue, all else is speculation at this stage. I say let Aaron do a trial fit to ascertain any issues before jumping to a heap of conclusions... :)

[simmo1]

If these wheels actually fit I wonder if they are strong enough, as in up to the task. The load rating might look ok but will they be durable. Has anyone any experience with this rim on other vehicles where some history of durability can be discussed. CSA or Mullins used to be good. But are these things of dubious chinese quality?

Just thinking, Simmo

[Stuart02]

So where is wheel track measured from for legal purposes? It's one thing to have 53 offset but "standard" rim widths vary from what, 8 to 9.5 inches? If you work from an increase of 12.5mm a side over the 9.5 inch rim it should be a pretty close thing?

[gghaggis]

It's measured from the centreline of one wheel to the centreline of the opposite wheel, so is not affected by the rim width.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Grentarc]

Here is the 2.7 brakes in a standard LR 19"

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/714.jpg

Here is 3.0 brakes with same wheels

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/715.jpg

[Babs]

So in WA and other states we just scrape in using GOE wheels,the featured wheel is over the offset by a small margin???? There is also the question wether the featured vehicle did or didn't have its calipers manicured which would be frowned upon. I spoke to Aaron today,he is arranging to get a clean rim test fitted,he was talking to the WA distributor today. Andrew


Andy, what's the go here ❓
What rim is getting test fitted. ❓

The only thing stopping me from getting the GOE rims is their styling, if these CSA rims were confirmed a legal fit and clear brakes I'm rushing out and buying them today.

Or at the least a better style alternative wheel over the Compomotives.

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[g5k]

I'm only a new owner and am astounded that a manufacturer hasn't jumped on the gap in the market making an 18 that will fit.

[Samus]

Something else to consider is that changing the offset changes the geometry of the suspension, which in turn effects handling, turning and can wear things faster.

Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets - Wheel-Size.com (http://www.wheel-size.com/calc/?wheel1=255-55-19X8ET53&wheel2=275-65-18X8ET35&fcl=50mm&scl=50mm&wcl=30mm&sr=0mm)

I have the D3 V8 which comes with 19" wheels and I was able to fit 18" D4 genuine rims. Picked up a set from Gumtree for $600. If they fit, you could always spray them black. I realise they may not fit newer models.

[BobD]

I'm only a new owner and am astounded that a manufacturer hasn't jumped on the gap in the market making an 18 that will fit.


They have. GOE (gghaggis) has organized the manufacture of 18 inch rims for Discoveries and some Range Rovers.

[Stuart02]

One thing I did notice when I borrowed 19s for my car is how different they looked to the 9.5"-wide 20s, despite the same offset, in terms of overall width and where they sat in the guards. I think that's one reason the GOEs with their slightly smaller offset look good

[Tombie]

There is a maximum of 50mm increase to wheel track permitted (for Qld, assume other states similar), which is 25mm per side.

Regards,
Scott



Only 25mm overall on Indy Axles in SA....

Looking at the pics that wheel has serious offset :)

[LandyAndy]

I think you are right Mike.
The rear appears to be normal.
Fair chance it has spacers on the front axle.Will see how Aaron goes Monday.
Andrew

[gghaggis]

Andy, what's the go here ❓
What rim is getting test fitted. ❓

The only thing stopping me from getting the GOE rims is their styling, if these CSA rims were confirmed a legal fit and clear brakes I'm rushing out and buying them today.


The rim is the CSA Raptor. It is not a legal fit anywhere except Qld.

Cheers,

Gordon

[LRD414]

Only 25mm overall on Indy Axles in SA....
Looking at the pics that wheel has serious offset :)

Yep it does look like the wheel is in line with guard edge, which is noticeable wider than OEMs or Compomotives.
Seems crazy to have different standards across states too.

Cheers,
Scott

[Tombie]

As Gordon also stated there are requirements to be safe as well as legal.

Minimum thread engagement
Offset
Clearance to calliper (clearance for debris and for things to flex and move)

That's the obvious....

[Aaron40]

Did a test fit of CSA 18 x 8 wheels, Raptor and Jackal over front disc brake caliper.

The Jackal did not even go on.

The Raptor fitted on however all 4 cooling fins were in contact with the inside of the rim so it couldn't be turned.

The my15 3.0 D4 that is pictured must have had the caliper cooling/ heat dissipation fins ground down so that the wheel could be fitted.

and so it remains that unless you ground the fins the only 18 inch for direct fit is the Compomotives from Gordon....

[Grentarc]

and so it remains that unless you ground the fins the only 18 inch for direct fit is the Compomotives from Gordon....
The only 18" Alloy ...

[cjc_td5]

Did a test fit of CSA 18 x 8 wheels, Raptor and Jackal over front disc brake caliper.

The Jackal did not even go on.

The Raptor fitted on however all 4 cooling fins were in contact with the inside of the rim so it couldn't be turned.

The my15 3.0 D4 that is pictured must have had the caliper cooling/ heat dissipation fins ground down so that the wheel could be fitted.

and so it remains that unless you ground the fins the only 18 inch for direct fit is the Compomotives from Gordon....

Thanks for your efforts Aaron.

I suppose the question is, has the caliper been changed on the MY16 D4??? If so and the CSA wheel fits, would a LR 18" wheel fit also?

Cheers,

[LRD414]

I had a talk to the owner. No shaving of calipers. He bought them from bob Jane. They fitted straight on and cost $260 each!
I would still guess at spacers if this statement by the owner is true.

Scott

[cjc_td5]

I would still guess at spacers if this statement by the owner is true.

Scott

I can't see how spacers would benefit unless they were huge. The calipers sit very central to the wheel and a huge spacer would be required in order to get the caliper across towards the wheel shoulder where there was more diameter? I suppose it all depends on the inner wheel profile.....

[Aaron40]

Spacers would not have made a difference with this rim, if he had the same brake package as my td6 my15 it must have had the caliper shaved..

Grentarc is there a Steel rim that is readily available that meets the load rating? I saw the Terrafirma info posted a while ago and talked to a local supplier of their products however he came back with not available.

I have heard there is a Dynamic ION 179 wheel in 18 x 9 size with a Bolt circle 5 x 120 load rating is 1133 however the offset is p30 which would be getting close to the edge of the flare especially in a 9inch width...

[Grentarc]

Spacers would not have made a difference with this rim, if he had the same brake package as my td6 my15 it must have had the caliper shaved..

Grentarc is there a Steel rim that is readily available that meets the load rating? I saw the Terrafirma info posted a while ago and talked to a local supplier of their products however he came back with not available.

I have heard there is a Dynamic ION 179 wheel in 18 x 9 size with a Bolt circle 5 x 120 load rating is 1133 however the offset is p30 which would be getting close to the edge of the flare especially in a 9inch width...
The terrafirma one can easily be purchased from a UK seller and they will ship to Australia a full set for less than $1000 last I heard, but I haven't kept up to date on exchange rates since that time.

[Aaron40]

The terrafirma one can easily be purchased from a UK seller and they will ship to Australia a full set for less than $1000 last I heard, but I haven't kept up to date on exchange rates since that time.

Do you know of anyone in Australia that has received them? There were quite a few discrepancies in that ebay advert including rim size etc..

[Grentarc]

Do you know of anyone in Australia that has received them? There were quite a few discrepancies in that ebay advert including rim size etc..
Send this shop an email and ask them about the wheels if you are interested
http://www.frogsisland4x4.com/index.php?route=information/contact

Personally, I'm going to be trying out LT 19" tyres before I think of going to 18"

[optimax90]

I would still guess at spacers if this statement by the owner is true.

Scott
He definitely didn't mention any calipers modification. Looks like bob Jane have got the grinder onto his calipers and haven't told him !! Dodgey !

[Russrobe]

He definitely didn't mention any calipers modification. Looks like bob Jane have got the grinder onto his calipers and haven't told him !! Dodgey !
Doubt it, wouldn't that have stood out like dogs balls? 100% sure it's the same brakes on his? Sounds like the owner's lying about something. I doubt they would even have an angle grinder in the shop let alone be game enough to take one to a caliper....

[Tombie]

The terrafirma one can easily be purchased from a UK seller and they will ship to Australia a full set for less than $1000 last I heard, but I haven't kept up to date on exchange rates since that time.



Yeah there is those..

Except it's some Chinese made rim (almost all TF gear is China made)...

And once you bolt it on your D4 looks like a bling loaded Patrol..

Then you have to go fit 22 light bars, big flares and a 7" lift, flip your baseball cap around, fit huge subwoofers at the expense of luggage space and start using phrases like "fully sik" and listening to Bliss and Eso...

[emoji41][emoji13]

[Babs]

Ha ha ha [emoji3]Fully Shick Bro.

[cjc_td5]

Yeah there is those..

Except it's some Chinese made rim (almost all TF gear is China made)...

And once you bolt it on your D4 looks like a bling loaded Patrol..

Then you have to go fit 22 light bars, big flares and a 7" lift, flip your baseball cap around, fit huge subwoofers at the expense of luggage space and start using phrases like "fully sik" and listening to Bliss and Eso...

[emoji41][emoji13]

LOL
If I ever went the steel wheel way they wouldn't stay black that is for sure. They would not look too bad in a silver similar to the std wheel colour... :):)

[gghaggis]

[rant "on", level=4]

You know, it amazes me the strange compromises people are willing to make. You have parted with the best part of $100,000 for the most capable straight-from-the-showroom-floor 4WD available, and you're willing to put a set of crappy steel or alloy rims on that are no stronger or better than the ones it came with. Just to save $1200??

Really? Just to fit 18" tyres? Which isn't the only reason to build an 18" rim.

When we were designing the 18's, I wanted a rim that had no compromise behind its design:

I wanted it to be lighter than the OEM rim, because I was worried about total unsprung weight affecting the CV life. A PD1881 fitted with a 285/60R18 Cooper LTZ is only 1kg heavier than the OEM set-up.

I wanted a rim that was strong enough to be driven at speed on a gravel road with a burst tyre without damage, because we'd done that a few times (easy to do with the D4's stability control).

I wanted a rim that was functional, not with silly little spokes and "designer" bolts / buttons / studs that caught on everything and got kerbed.

And of course, I wanted it legal and insurable in every state.

That's what we built. Contrary to much of the armchair opinions on here, it wasn't easy. It's quite an engineering challenge just to make a rim that fits, let alone meet the other demands above. You can't meet these requirements with a casting process, which is what the vast majority of rim manufacturers use.

If you want "pretty" wheels, the car came with them. If you're going to spend good money on proper off-road rubber, why would you compromise on what they're fitted to? When the rim breaks, you're just as stuck as when the tyre goes.

I'm not saying a PD1881 is unbreakable - you can destroy anything, given enough bad luck or bull-headedness. But it elevates you to a level playing field with the tricked up Nissan's/Toyota's etc.

Some of the wiser ones on here get it. Some of them may not have bought a set of PD1881s, but they're not going to consider a dubiously legal or safe component in what is a critical area of the car.

I'll excuse myself from the rest of this thread, as I obviously have a conflict of interest.

[rant "off"]

[Tombie]

You don't have a conflict Gordon..
You went out of your way to design a wheel that meets the needs.
You hardly make a living off the sales volume, so I see it as more of a service.

Your observation that LR owners can be tighter than a fishes arsehole is not one that is lost on several of us...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/590.jpg

[chuck]

gghaggis

I don't think you should excuse yourself from the thread.
Providing accurate advice that meets the standards in all states is not a conflict of interest.

Would I like some of your wheels you bet I would, however we bought a new house last year and there is always something to spend money on, particularly on a country block.

I compromised and put better tyres on the standard rims.

[cjc_td5]

I have contributed to this thread not because I am a cheap ass but because I am interested in a rigorous test of the options for our vehicles. Coming from a rallying background I fully respect the inherent quality of the Compomotive wheels and actually like the simple design over the fully sik style of the CSA rims. Personally I have not gone the GOE route (as yet) as I am happy with my 19" wheels with AT tyre choices.

I am actually more interested in the question of if the OP says that the brakes have not been modified, how come the CSA wheels fit? Have the calipers been changed with the MY16 model?

[Tombie]

Try it this way - would you admit to a complete stranger that you performed an illegal modification to your brakes?

[Tombie]

The only way any 18" other than Compomotives fits is with spacers or large offset

[Aaron40]

From what I understand Gordon went searching for 18s that would fit, looked at steel options made locally but offsets were not correct or load ratings were under. Tried fitment of various alloys available. Found nothing that worked so went the development route.

When these Compomotives were first imported my understanding was that they were a lot cheaper because of exchange rates.

Since the Compomotives were developed other rims have been designed that have the LR 5 x 120 pattern what is wrong with the AULRO community continuing to search for rims that would be an alternative to the Compomotives?

I would dearly love some Compomotives however I am unable to fork out over $5k at present for the experience, just finished forking out the $100k for the new car.... and until the ready cash becomes available I will put up with lack of rubber in my OE 19s.... but what is wrong with continuing to look, discuss alternatives... sort of the point of this site.... and the knowledge contributed by Tombie, Gordon, Greame is very welcome to all i'm sure, i have bought quality products from both Tombie and Greame and supported the community as much as my wallet will allow...

There is a plethora of rims available of very good quality in 18inches at good prices to other vehicle manufacturers...

[BobD]

Just for reference, since it has been brought up a few times in this thread. LR 18 inch rims won't even fit over the rear brakes on the 3.0 l. I bought a second hand genuine LR 18 inch rim for my second spare just to use on the rear in an emergency (by swapping rear to front etc as necessary) but the wheel won't turn due to it scraping on the rear calipers. While the disk is smaller the single piston caliper seems to have a lot of metal which makes it nearly as bulky as the front caliper.

[Babs]

[rant "on", level=4]

You know, it amazes me the strange compromises people are willing to make. You have parted with the best part of $100,000 for the most capable straight-from-the-showroom-floor 4WD available, and you're willing to put a set of crappy steel or alloy rims on that are no stronger or better than the ones it came with. Just to save $1200??

Really? Just to fit 18" tyres? Which isn't the only reason to build an 18" rim.

When we were designing the 18's, I wanted a rim that had no compromise behind its design:

I wanted it to be lighter than the OEM rim, because I was worried about total unsprung weight affecting the CV life. A PD1881 fitted with a 285/60R18 Cooper LTZ is only 1kg heavier than the OEM set-up.

I wanted a rim that was strong enough to be driven at speed on a gravel road with a burst tyre without damage, because we'd done that a few times (easy to do with the D4's stability control).

I wanted a rim that was functional, not with silly little spokes and "designer" bolts / buttons / studs that caught on everything and got kerbed.

And of course, I wanted it legal and insurable in every state.

That's what we built. Contrary to much of the armchair opinions on here, it wasn't easy. It's quite an engineering challenge just to make a rim that fits, let alone meet the other demands above. You can't meet these requirements with a casting process, which is what the vast majority of rim manufacturers use.

If you want "pretty" wheels, the car came with them. If you're going to spend good money on proper off-road rubber, why would you compromise on what they're fitted to? When the rim breaks, you're just as stuck as when the tyre goes.

I'm not saying a PD1881 is unbreakable - you can destroy anything, given enough bad luck or bull-headedness. But it elevates you to a level playing field with the tricked up Nissan's/Toyota's etc.

Some of the wiser ones on here get it. Some of them may not have bought a set of PD1881s, but they're not going to consider a dubiously legal or safe component in what is a critical area of the car.

I'll excuse myself from the rest of this thread, as I obviously have a conflict of interest.

[rant "off"]



Ha ha ha [emoji3] what's the definition of Frustrating [emoji780]

For one I didn't realise you actually designed the rims, I thought you were the importer and Compomotive designed/manufactured them.

I can't imagine what would have went into it to produce these with load ratings, legalities etc. and I think Tombie might be right your doing the service [emoji4]

However, there obviously was a small compromise with design (which is understandable) and they are what they are.

My opinion only here, the Raids that seem to be boycotted are a better looking rim, but there doesn't seem to be enough info on them with regards to legalities and load ratings.
The CSA aren't my cup of tea with the bolts and bling you mentioned but still more suited to a modern D4 IMO.

Price, I would pay you double per rim for a more modern suited option for a D4, so not everyone is basing their decisions on price.

You will never keep the masses happy everyone has such diverse taste.

In my comments throughout the forum I mean no disrespect, and do appreciate there is an option there to fall back on with your rims. If all else fails with my decision of sticking with the 19" I'll be forced to go down the GOE 18" road, if you would still sell them to me [emoji15]

But I just can't get my head around the fact they look like a 1995 RR rim [emoji12]

So my next question, is there anything in the pipeline with regards to modifying the styling [emoji780]

Maybe flattening out those spokes at the least, keeping them plain would be fine but flattening them out would be closer to an OE rim at the least.

Like mentioned above people are just exploring options but yes your point is Very Valid with regards to going steel etc over yours.
It's not all about price saving though.

I'm praying for two things, 1 you either bring out a different style 18" rim or a tyre manufacturer brings out a LT 19" with a 31" 31.5" or a 32" tyre [emoji120]

Your rant is appreciated and is your right of freedom of speech. Sometimes things just have to be said and I for one respect that [emoji106]

[LandyAndy]

Babs,have you seen may D4s in the flesh with the Compomotive wheel????
They look a million bucks,since having them fitted on mine quite a few people have asked me where I got them and how good they look.
I like the style and I think you will find most do too.
I don't like a lot of the bling wheels you see on other 4x4's.
Andrew

[rar110]

Many like me paid a lot less than $100k for their vehicle and struggle to buy new rims and tyres. So I get why people check out cheaper alternatives in the hope they are up to the task even if not as good as the Compomotive rims. But many like me keep coming back to the compomotive rims because they are the best option. I think the colour and style match my car great. Just my opinion.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/572.jpg

[LandyAndy]

Looks a million bucks:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Love mine too:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/573.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/20160828_111016_zps7aqazpcn.jpg.html)
Andrew

[Graeme]

Just for reference, since it has been brought up a few times in this thread. LR 18 inch rims won't even fit over the rear brakes on the 3.0 l. I bought a second hand genuine LR 18 inch rim for my second spare just to use on the rear in an emergency (by swapping rear to front etc as necessary) but the wheel won't turn due to it scraping on the rear calipers. While the disk is smaller the single piston caliper seems to have a lot of metal which makes it nearly as bulky as the front caliper.Your D4 must have the original alloy rear calipers, rather than the cast iron D3 ones that LR fitted a very short time after the D4 release to overcome brake squeal whilst reversing.

[Graeme]

This is the early D4 rear caliper.
115149

This is the later MY10 & D3 version.
115150

[carlschmid2002]

Many like me paid a lot less than $100k for their vehicle and struggle to buy new rims and tyres. So I get why people check out cheaper alternatives in the hope they are up to the task even if not as good as the Compomotive rims. But many like me keep coming back to the compomotive rims because they are the best option. I think the colour and style match my car great. Just my opinion.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/572.jpg

Is that colour Ipanema Sand? Mine is. I was going to order Black GOE wheels but the Graphite look really good. Great looking car.

[Lukeis]

I'm with Babs here, I run two sets of wheels which is a total pain in the back side but I just simply don't like the look of my 18" wheels (or the GOE ones) so following every weekend away is a 20minute tyre swapping session.

Also, I didn't pay 100k for my car but if I did I would argue looks are even more important for those that did, after all most of us bought a discovery for a reason and the styling is definitely part of that.

I say keep the search alive and let me know if you find something which doesn't age my car in the process!

[cjc_td5]

I know this is old ground, but I take it that the LR 18" wheels do not fit the front of the 3.0l buy a considerable margin?? I take it that it is more than just the case of a caliper shave to make a LR 18" alloy fit???

[Graeme]

It appeared to me that at least 3-4mm would need to be shaved from the fins at the rear just for the fins to clear but couldn't determine if they would scrape at other spots. However the std 18" rim fouled the original rear caliper far worse, not allowing the rim to sit anywhere near flat on the hub whereas the fronts only just don't sit flat.

Edit: If I had known at the time about the rear calipers I would have started shaving the fronts to see if a little material removed was enough.

[Russrobe]

Yep, got to remember you can now buy one of these for $26,500, on carsales right now. http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Discovery-4-2011/SSE-AD-4311781/?Cr=0
Not saying everyone's is worth this obviously but a high km example..

I like the wheels, and for what they are, they're far from the most expensive wheel around.

Nothing to pay $1500 for a 3 piece.

Even if a new wheel became available I think you would still find most buying the Compomotives for quality reasons and that it's a tough looking wheel. Would be nice to see something different though... Land Cruisers are spoilt for choice.

[LandyAndy]

Yep, got to remember you can now buy one of these for $26,500, on carsales right now. http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Discovery-4-2011/SSE-AD-4311781/?Cr=0
Not saying everyone's is worth this obviously but a high km example..

I like the wheels, and for what they are, they're far from the most expensive wheel around.

Nothing to pay $1500 for a 3 piece wheel...

Even if a new wheel became available I think you would still find most buying the Compomotives for quailty reasons and that it's a tough looking wheel.

My boy is heavily involved with the UWA motorsport team.When he saw my new wheels on the D4 he said they were fakes.Assured him they were the real thing,he then told me I get paid way too much,who puts Compomotives on a Land Rover!!!!!
Andrew

[cjc_td5]

It appeared to me that at least 3-4mm would need to be shaved from the fins at the rear just for the fins to clear but couldn't determine if they would scrape at other spots. However the std 18" rim fouled the original rear caliper far worse, not allowing the rim to sit anywhere near flat on the hub whereas the fronts only just don't sit flat.

Edit: If I had known at the time about the rear calipers I would have started shaving the fronts to see if a little material removed was enough.

Thanks Graeme.
When you say "...However the std 18" rim fouled the original rear caliper far worse...", I take you mean with the "early D4" rear calipers from your post above? It was my assumption that LR 18" alloys fit over the rear calipers of later D4s?

[BobD]

So Graeme, are there any negatives to replacing the rear callipers with the later ones, apart from the cost? They cause more scrapes on the inside of the GOE wheels than the fronts do and I could replace Gordon's heavy steel second spare with a much lighter LR alloy spare at the same time.


Both of these rims would probably be illegal due to the differing offset from the Compomotives but they never actually get used. I have a Compomotive for one of the spares.

[rar110]

Is that colour Ipanema Sand? Mine is. I was going to order Black GOE wheels but the Graphite look really good. Great looking car.



Thanks, yep Ipanema Sand.

[LandyAndy]

So Graeme, are there any negatives to replacing the rear callipers with the later ones, apart from the cost? They cause more scrapes on the inside of the GOE wheels than the fronts do and I could replace Gordon's heavy steel second spare with a much lighter LR alloy spare at the same time.


Both of these rims would probably be illegal due to the differing offset from the Compomotives but they never actually get used. I have a Compomotive for one of the spares.

I have a set of 6 off an early D4.Now I know why some have minor internal scrapes:):):):)
Andrew

[LRD414]

Adding my 2 cents .....

I have a set of the anthracite Compomotive rims and actually really like the aesthetic.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/553.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/L1FW7x)

Aesthetics was not my primary reason to buy, more the points summarised by Gordon a few posts ago.
However the way they look is something I'm really happy with, a somewhat rare example of neither form or function being sacrificed.
In my view they look purposeful & serious and much better than the factory wheels, which for me are the basic TDV6 ones.

I'm quite surprised some people don't like the appearance but of course there's always a wide range of opinions & that's fair enough.
Those CSA wheels starting this thread and others like them look ordinary, cheap and straight off some dual cab hilux but that's just my opinion.

Despite all the interest here, I reckon the market for full spec 18" wheels to suit late model D4s is actually quite small in the grand scheme of things.
Even smaller market for ones that have all the features & aust compliance of the Compomotives, thus market forces dictate and no one else to date has gone to the same effort.
So the chances of more than one version or a range seem pretty slim to me.

Regarding looking for alternatives, I've noticed the history leading to even having the Compomotive as an option is not well known and Gordon's frustrations leading to the [/rant] [level 4] are understandable. Some people are dismissive and everything is easy until you have to actually make it happen. Perhaps the [/rant] could be edited & added to the FAQs.

But most people are genuine in their investigation into options. I see they are happy to take on information to make a properly informed decision about value versus cost, recognising that money is not growing on trees the last I checked.
It's true that many people are now looking at D3s and D4s in much lower cost brackets with less budget to play with.
But don't forget the cheaper vehicles are of course older and therefore can already fit a multitude of affordable 18" factory wheels and in some cases 17" wheels.

Plus it's actually more complicated than when I was deciding two years ago.
The 19" tyre situation has improved quite a lot, still not awesome but feasible options exist and perhaps more coming.
So that path has to be weighed up in the decision too.

Rambling finished.

Cheers,
Scott
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/554.jpg

[chuck]

Scott

What size KO2's are they?

[LRD414]

What size KO2's are they?
265/60/R18

[jon3950]

Land Cruisers are spoilt for choice.

They need it. An expression about lipstick and a pig comes to mind.

Compomotives are actually very good value for the quality of wheel you get and I personally like the look. Classic and understated, perfect for a Land Rover.

For me the only question is are they going to fit a D5?

Cheers,
Jon

[cjc_td5]

They need it. An expression about lipstick and a pig comes to mind.

Compomotives are actually very good value for the quality of wheel you get and I personally like the look. Classic and understated, perfect for a Land Rover.

For me the only question is are they going to fit a D5?

Cheers,
Jon

Won't need 'em. It'll come with 16" wheels :D:D:D:D:D:twisted:

[shanegtr]

I'm with you Andy I like the look of the compomotives. But there's no way I'll be getting a set for my D3 as I use 17" rims:rolleyes:

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[l00kin4]

I'm happy with how mine look too - shiny or dirty! :)
I like Scott's "purposeful and serious" description
David
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=115162&stc=1&d=1476246704


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=115161&stc=1&d=1476246704

[Graeme]

Thanks Graeme.
When you say "...However the std 18" rim fouled the original rear caliper far worse...", I take you mean with the "early D4" rear calipers from your post above? It was my assumption that LR 18" alloys fit over the rear calipers of later D4s?

Yes, only fouled early D4 rear calipers.


So Graeme, are there any negatives to replacing the rear callipers with the later ones, apart from the cost? They cause more scrapes on the inside of the GOE wheels than the fronts do and I could replace Gordon's heavy steel second spare with a much lighter LR alloy spare at the same time.


No negatives in using D3 or D4 2.7 rear calipers (same part number) and they can use the same pads. I swapped to the 2.7 pads because the 3.0's boat shape caused the discs to wear in the middle of the contact area whereas the 2.7 shape wore much more evenly. The alloy calipers were reportedly introduced to reduce weight.

My ex-D4 still has the 2.7 rear calipers even though the original discs and caliper brackets were refitted when son Justin acquired the vehicle.

[Garfield]

As I have mentioned in another recent thread, I am not really that excited with the look of the compomotive wheels on my D4, but I do agree with Scott, that they look " purposeful & serious ". They also do fit their function very well. As my D4 is white, they don't look very impressive but on Scott's D4 with the metallic copper they look much better. :)


I'll post some photo's next week once I've had some more goodies fitted to the D4. ( rock sliders, compressor guard, high rise tow hitch, front and rear Anderson plugs etc )

[Babs]

As I have mentioned in another recent thread, I am not really that excited with the look of the compomotive wheels on my D4, but I do agree with Scott, that they look " purposeful & serious ". They also do fit their function very well. As my D4 is white, they don't look very impressive but on Scott's D4 with the metallic copper they look much better. :)


I'll post some photo's next week once I've had some more goodies fitted to the D4. ( rock sliders, compressor guard, high rise tow hitch, front and rear Anderson plugs etc )


I have to agree Scott 's D4 does look good, they do seem to sit better with his colour combination.

[LandyAndy]

They do look good on a white D4:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/529.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/20160515_133332_zpstvnmlmgk.jpg.html)

Caught up with a mate I haven seen for quite some time today.He tells me he would love a set of Compomotives for his D2.
Got to get his priorities right.He showed me some pics of this crazy Harley powered single seater bike he has just spen $60K building.
GOT TO LOVE THESE MID LIFE CRISIS:):):):):):)
Andrew

[cjc_td5]

Anyone got a genuine LR 18" alloy wheel in Perth or SW WA to buy or borrow? I feel I need to do some investigative pondering....

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[BobD]

I have one you can borrow. It won't fit my car unless I change the rear calipers. I am in Forrestfield but will be passing through Bunbury in late November if not before. I bought it second hand as a second spare.


I will need it back if and when I decide to change the calipers to the D3 type or later D4 type.

[carlschmid2002]

What is the load rating the wheels are required to have? I presume it is fairly high for such a heavy vehicle.

[Tombie]

What is the load rating the wheels are required to have? I presume it is fairly high for such a heavy vehicle.



High 900s minimum...

[Lukeis]

I found this great looking 18" Wheel...

It belongs to the Discovery Sport and hence I assume it won't fit the D4, even the early D4's??

I really like the style and would be very content with this wheel and a set of KO2's.. Now I just need someone to design them for a D4 so we can begin whinging about the price!

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=116369&stc=1&d=1478736557

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=116369&stc=1&d=1478736557

[LRD414]

I found this great looking 18" Wheel...
Link doesn't seem to work?

[Lukeis]

how bizarre, it works on my PC but not on my phone..

How about now?

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=116370&stc=1&d=1478742698

116370

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=116370&stc=1&d=1478742698

[Tombie]

Nope.

[LRD414]

I found this great looking 18" Wheel...
It belongs to the Discovery Sport and hence I assume it won't fit the D4, even the early D4's??
A quick Google of non-Aus sites suggests the Disco Sport has an incompatible stud pattern of 5x108, the same as Evoque but not D4.

Scott

[Lukeis]

Such a shame, its very similar in looks to the 2016 D4 20" wheel but in a useful size!

Perhaps I should email it to GOE/Compomotive for consideration at their next board meeting..

[Tombie]

These are the Disco Sport wheel styles on offer.
NOT saying they fit (they don't) but these are the styles..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/536.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/537.jpg

[Lukeis]

Look at all those options!!

18" 5 split-spoke with gloss black finish.. if only.

[Babs]

Stop teasing you guys, I'm getting all excited for no reason.

[LandyAndy]

There is only the GOE option.There wont be any more,no wheel company will want to invest the R&D Gordon has done on building a wheel for a vehicle that is no longer built.
You have got to give it to Gordon,he is now getting a current RRS Compomotive 18" wheel made.
Andrew

[Babs]

Time for me to bow down, as I have posted in the 19"Maxxis thread I now have a 3rd gash in my tyres, I have now given up on the Maxxis and I am going to eat humble pie and order the GOE 18" rims, if Gordon will sell them to me :)

It looks like I have no option but to go down this path and return to the trusty old BFG's or Coopers.

Andy your rims are grey aren't they, your pics I have seen seem to be black, do you have any lighter photos [emoji780]

Now to decide between the grey or black rim.

[LRD414]

Now to decide between the grey or black rim.
Or silver. I know someone with silver Compomotives on his white D4 and it looks good too. Also, I think Andrew's are black.

Scott

[Babs]

Or silver. I know someone with silver Compomotives on his white D4 and it looks good too. Also, I think Andrew's are black.

Scott



Scott who has the silver [emoji780]

Any pics [emoji780]

[Aaron40]

Pictures of silver on the GOE site on a RR sport. I have a photo in a mag of a white D4 with silver ones on I will try and post..

[Aaron40]

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff328/aaronp40/IMG_1962.jpg (http://s536.photobucket.com/user/aaronp40/media/IMG_1962.jpg.html)

[LRD414]

Couple more ....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/405.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/406.jpg

Cheers,
Scott

[Lukeis]

How are the BFGKO2's for road noise Scott?

Also does anyone know if these wheels would work? They have them in both 18" and 19" and specifically say they have been test fitted to the D4. Multiple colours available

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/331908046716

[Tombie]

How are the BFGKO2's for road noise Scott?



Also does anyone know if these wheels would work? They have them in both 18" and 19" and specifically say they have been test fitted to the D4. Multiple colours available



https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/331908046716



Being that they're a 20x9.5 wheel they may just fit [emoji48]

[Lukeis]

Thanks Tombie.

I've read people talking about strength etc before, how is that rated? And what does it need to be?

There seems to be a number of sellers with this style so presumably a better price can be found

[l00kin4]

Or silver. I know someone with silver Compomotives on his white D4 and it looks good too. Also, I think Andrew's are black.

Scott

I toyed with having my Compomotives finished in silver as I like the more OEM look but I couldn't quite process the extra $78 per wheel on top of the $572 per wheel for 6 wheels. Not saying it's unreasonable - I have no basis for comparison - but I was already up for $5,500 for wheels and tyres - at the time it was enough! :o

As a matter of interest, does anyone have experience with doing this? How much would it cost to refinish the wheels in a silver to match the OEM ?

David

[Tombie]

Thanks Tombie.



I've read people talking about strength etc before, how is that rated? And what does it need to be?



There seems to be a number of sellers with this style so presumably a better price can be found



Must be 970kg or higher

[LRD414]

As a matter of interest, does anyone have experience with doing this? How much would it cost to refinish the wheels in a silver to match the OEM ?

David

I know someone who's had wheels painted by a mobile guy. Proper professional job. And I think the $78 would be quite competitive.

But yours looks really good as it is now in my opinion.

Scott

[l00kin4]

I know someone who's had wheels painted by a mobile guy. Proper professional job. And I think the $78 would be quite competitive.

But yours looks really good as it is now in my opinion.

Scott

Thanks Scott

[Stuart02]

There is only the GOE option.There wont be any more,no wheel company will want to invest the R&D Gordon has done on building a wheel for a vehicle that is no longer built.
You have got to give it to Gordon,he is now getting a current RRS Compomotive 18" wheel made.
Andrew

Unless one of these new-age 3D printing or carbon fibre mobs can smash the low volume production cost (of which I'm assuming a lot is testing and certification), but even then how would a carbon fibre rim go in the rough stuff...

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[Stuart02]

I know someone who's had wheels painted by a mobile guy. Proper professional job. And I think the $78 would be quite competitive.

But yours looks really good as it is now in my opinion.

Scott

Agreed, I'd be expecting more like $200 to $250 each

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[Lukeis]

I haven't checked the strength rating as yet but from eBay searches it looks like you can get this wheel in 18", 19" and 20" for a D4.

Colours I have seen are gunmetal grey, black/silver and gloss black.. Ebay from UK is $1,200 delivered for all four.

Waiting on confirmation of dimensions now but here is the silver/black in what looks like 20" size to give you an idea on looks

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=116543&stc=1&d=1479114048

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=116544&stc=1&d=1479114048

[Lukeis]

1,350kg per wheel.

$1,350 including delivery (not a typo, just a coincidence). Can someone tell me if I'm missing something?

this feels too good to be true..

[Grentarc]

1,350kg per wheel.

$1,350 including delivery (not a typo, just a coincidence). Can someone tell me if I'm missing something?

this feels too good to be true..
I would be wanting definite photographic evidence the 18" fit over 3.0 brakes before ordering.

[hv_man]

mmm
MAK looks interesting LINK (https://www.makwheels.it/en-ww/highlands-silver-f9080hisi48irr.aspx#!/)

This is interesting, new rim apparently being released on the 18-11-16


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/389.jpg[/url]

[cjc_td5]

I would be wanting definite photographic evidence the 18" fit over 3.0 brakes before ordering.
And confirming offset etc...

[Grentarc]

mmm
MAK looks interesting LINK (https://www.makwheels.it/en-ww/highlands-silver-f9080hisi48irr.aspx#!/)

This is interesting, new rim apparently being released on the 18-11-16


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/389.jpg[/url]
Look at the size brakes on the front of that - not 3.0 brakes! A photoshop job with the wheels?

[cjc_td5]

Website says D4 2004-2009 and not 180kW engine, so I would very much doubt they will fit the larger brakes unfortunately.

[hv_man]

Pic generated from the MAK webpage Car configurator.
anyway email sent requesting all info

[hv_man]

Website says D4 2004-2009 and not 180kW engine, so I would very much doubt they will fit the larger brakes unfortunately.

Must be looking at a different page to me....
Down the bottom it lists all the fits and shows

Discovery IV LA - 04/2009 >

Lets see what they come back with.....

(Note the other rim that does fit that we don't discuss is made in italy)

[cjc_td5]

Must be looking at a different page to me....
Down the bottom it lists all the fits and shows

Discovery IV LA - 04/2009 >

Lets see what they come back with.....

(Note the other rim that does fit that we don't discuss is made in italy)
Yeah I looked at the top of the linked page initially. Saw the bit you referenced above later. See what they say I suppose...
Cheers
Chris

[hv_man]

MAK is another dead end....

Dear Craig,
thanks for contacting us; unfortunately the Highlands 9x18 aren't compatible with the LR Discovery IV 180-188-220 Kw, the brake calipers are too large.
Cordiali saluti/Best regards/Mit freundlichen Gruessen

MAK INFO

[cjc_td5]

I presume the TDV6 155kW brakes are the same as the SDV6 180kW brakes.

[Babs]

I ordered my GOE 18" rims this evening in Satin Black.

Now as posted in the Maxxis thread I have to decide what size tyre? I'm going with Cooper ST Maxx, trying to decide between 265/65/18 or the 275/65/18?

Any suggestions from anyone running either of these sizes?

[Grentarc]

I presume the TDV6 155kW brakes are the same as the SDV6 180kW brakes.
Yes, they are the same.

[Lukeis]

for clarity, how many KW is the 2011 2.7L D4?

Was MAK talking about ALL D4's or just the facelift model? I have found another option but this time I'll reserve all information until I have physical photos of it fitting..

[Graeme]

how many KW is the 2011 2.7L D4?140

[Russrobe]

I ordered my GOE 18" rims this evening in Satin Black.

Now as posted in the Maxxis thread I have to decide what size tyre? I'm going with Cooper ST Maxx, trying to decide between 265/65/18 or the 275/65/18?

Any suggestions from anyone running either of these sizes?
Babs 285 60 18 fits into that fine line between the two where it can still A. Fit under the rear while let down if you don't have a rwc yet. B. Doesn't require much if any modification to the guards whereas as the 275 65s do. And C. Give you a wide variety of tread patterns and brands.

Definitely worth considering anyway.

Although some say the 285mm width is counterproductive for the beach, they do allow you to comfortably drop to 12PSI if required. Even at 16PSI I find them great on the beach. Have only hit one really soft beach around Sandy Cape, WA though and could still cruise at 15km/h without bogging down.

Good luck, many choices.

[BobD]

285/60 just touches at front and rear. 265/65 is larger so it will definitely touch. I don't know how you would ever fit 275/65.


I don't know who says that 285 is counter productive for sand. We do heaps of soft sand in WA and 285 is great compared with the OEM 255 tyres. 33's with 300 mm tread are even better on my old Patrol. The wider the better as long as you let them down to lengthen the tread sufficiently as well. Going to 285 doesn't mean you don't have to let your tyres down.

[BMKal]

I'm running 265/60/R18 tyres on mine - seems to be a pretty common size, and there are no issues at all with rubbing under any circumstances that I've experienced.

From tyresize.com the dimensions in inches of this size and the three sizes mentioned in the two posts above are -

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/380.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/elavv5xnn/)

From these dimensions, I would expect that if 285/60/R18 will fit, then the 265/65/R18 should also fit, as they are as near as dammit to the same diameter and circumference, but narrower in width (they are the same width as the 265/60/R18 tyres that I'm running).

The 275/65/R18 are significantly larger in diameter / circumference, and I would imagine that there would be problems in fitting these.

[ATH]

I've just been to the stealers today to check what's on offer with their last remaining D4s.
I'm fully aware of the necessity of different size rims to get tyres which are reasonably available outside the metro area, but am now thinking why the hell should I have to go to the expence (around 5K I reckon) of buying different rims plus tyres because LR insist on standard fitment of rims for which it's virtually impossible to buy either replacement tyres or the rims themselves in the event of damage to them?
I love the way Landies of all descriptions ride and the vehicles themselves but I think in this case I'll give them a miss.
AlanH.

[LandyAndy]

Alan.
You could buy an early 2.7 D4 and still have a nice vehicle without the 19" tyre issue.
Andrew

[Graeme]

I love the way Landies of all descriptions ride and the vehicles themselves but I think in this case I'll give them a miss.
AlanH.Wait for a D5 and fit 1" oversize tyres on 20" rims.

[rar110]

From memory Gordon from GOE ran 285/65s coopers for quite a while. I went with 265/60s as a common size and they were on the used GOEs I bought. This size also fits in the wheel well. I have cooper AT3s which get very mixed reviews.

[Bohica]

but even then how would a carbon fibre rim go in the rough stuff...



I've seen on the TV, Richard Hammond with a carbon fibre prop shaft and a steel prop shaft. The steel broke at 900Nm IIRC the carbon fibre at 4900Nm. Carbon fibre is very very strong, it is very very light and it is very very expensive.

[Tombie]

Problem with CF is impact.

[LandyAndy]

I've just been to the stealers today to check what's on offer with their last remaining D4s.
I'm fully aware of the necessity of different size rims to get tyres which are reasonably available outside the metro area, but am now thinking why the hell should I have to go to the expence (around 5K I reckon) of buying different rims plus tyres because LR insist on standard fitment of rims for which it's virtually impossible to buy either replacement tyres or the rims themselves in the event of damage to them?
I love the way Landies of all descriptions ride and the vehicles themselves but I think in this case I'll give them a miss.
AlanH.

1 sleep and you buy one:):):):):):):):):):)
The test drive must have impressed you.
Mine impresses me every time I drive it;);););););)
Andrew

[scomac]

I've just been to the stealers today to check what's on offer with their last remaining D4s.
I'm fully aware of the necessity of different size rims to get tyres which are reasonably available outside the metro area, but am now thinking why the hell should I have to go to the expence (around 5K I reckon) of buying different rims plus tyres because LR insist on standard fitment of rims for which it's virtually impossible to buy either replacement tyres or the rims themselves in the event of damage to them?
I love the way Landies of all descriptions ride and the vehicles themselves but I think in this case I'll give them a miss.
AlanH.

It really is a shame that you are put off the D4 because of rim size. I'll happily follow any D4 with 17's, 18's 20's with my 19's anytime anywhere! Will I take a different approach, YES! Will I take a different line, MAYBE! Will I adjust my speed, YES! Am I happy to do all of this? ABSOLUTELY ! It's all about wheel placement and attitude. You can't drive on 19's like your on 18's etc, but you can go and traverse the same terrain, and I know this because I have done it. Don't be put off with all the negative comments about the 19's.
Go and get one, you know you want too!

[Babs]

I passed another Defender this afternoon and my heart opens I love them but while I was driving my Discovery 4 I was so appreciative that I was fortunate to be driving one, my trips to the farm and back are hardly noticeable 4 hours each way, I was worn out in the first hour with the Defender.

Someone recently told me they were going from a Discovery 4 to a 76 series Toyota. As much as I like my Landcruisers I just couldn't imagine driving one as a daily driver after experiencing a D4.

Yeah I had to succumb to the GOE 18" wheels, I really thought I would get by on the 19" and I too am ****ed with Land Rovers idiotic decision to put 19" rims on such a capable rig. But hey you put the 18" on and problem solved, still rather drive the Discovery over the Toyo.

[dirvine]

Babs the problem is NOT solved with GOE, maybe at best somewhat alleviated. The "expensive" rims will still get damaged because the centre hub part is so exposed. So the face of the rim is still subject to damage. I just cannot understand why after paying nearly $5K on tyres and rims, there is still the possibility of damage. I know people say they pick their line and perhaps my style of driving has contributed to the damage to my stock wheels, but unless i had a spotter on all tracks I went on, I just could not avoid the damage occurring. I have never experienced rim damage on any other 4wd I have driven. The Toyo will not be a daily driver but rather a serious 4wd which it is. It is not a compromise vehicle that tries to do all things. It is unashamedly a serious and very capable AND reliable 4WD right out of the box. No need to spend more money on rims, tyres, snorkel, lockers, bashplates, LLAMS, just so you can go serious 4wding. I never thought I would ever say it as I am not a Toyota fan at all, but nothing else compares now that LR dropped the Defender. I realise now I made a mistake with the D4. I also now understand why I dont see many (if any) out in the outback or on serious 4WD tracks. Luckily my partner needed a new car. I will hopefully have the toy I need in the new year. Enjoy your D4. I do mine but not as a serious 4WD. Its too expensive and too damage prone for my liking.

[ozscott]

Problem with CF is impact.
For sure. I have experienced this with racing sculls and they are exceptional in anit-torsion strength and weight, but knock into one, drop it, hit a log in the river etc and you will be wishing it was fibreglass. Same for my fishing rods. Love carbon, but they will always break over time whereas good glass ones will not. Mmm... Carbon 19 inch wheels... Mmm... Imagine those on the first run to a rocky trip. Cheers

[PerthDisco]

I've just been to the stealers today to check what's on offer with their last remaining D4s.

I'm fully aware of the necessity of different size rims to get tyres which are reasonably available outside the metro area, but am now thinking why the hell should I have to go to the expence (around 5K I reckon) of buying different rims plus tyres because LR insist on standard fitment of rims for which it's virtually impossible to buy either replacement tyres or the rims themselves in the event of damage to them?

I love the way Landies of all descriptions ride and the vehicles themselves but I think in this case I'll give them a miss.

AlanH.



Did the dealer care or have any knowledge of this phenomenon? How much credit tif they supply sans wheels? 9 out of 10 on the school run I suppose is the real truth.

If you want some real humour follow LR on Instagram or Twitter to see the absolute garbage they put up showing luxurious interiors or some picture of a car in a paddock and watch the 300 likes and ooh ahhs from the adoring masses. Embarrassing.

Edit: at one point I did a detailed survey for LR begging them to keep some of the tough features of the D3 so I get annoyed but hey that's sales and marketing

[Tombie]

What a load of Cocky Poo!

The Toyota is a massive compromise vehicle, all those that have them here admit that..

You need a Snorkel, regardless so that's 1.
You'll need lockers to match a D4, that's 2.
You'll certainly want the front and sides protected (steps, sliders and under bars), that's 3.
And you'll need to replace the **** house suspension that says with any load in quick order, so that's 4.
Then there's realigning the rear track to meet the front... great for Sand and Ruts, that's 5.

Not one of the LC guys has spent less than $7k adding to/upgrading the LC to make it suitable.

And the locals - well they ALL replaced their tyres in short order AND all of them have rims completely scratched up after a couple of our club trips.... doesn't look quite as bad as they are silver with clear so it doesn't stand out as much..

And they have ALL spent serious time in the workshop for stupid issues....

Claiming you don't see any D4s "outback" demonstrates a limited view... there are significant numbers out there.. even a few tour companies using them...

To claim it's more expensive and damage prone is laughable.... I've taken the D4 on multiple long runs with the boys in the 70s, and 200s and the only vehicle to not have an issue - the D4...

No compromise off-roader? The D4 was eating tracks for 3 days at 100+ (I could stop and easily catch up at any time) whilst the LCs were trying to rattle apart at 65km/h. Wait until the welds on the body start to crack under the bonnet.. or the bull bar fatigues... or the RAI that's not sealed if you get the factory one... or the door mechanisms that rattle loose, the hubs that shear studs for no explicable reason....

There's plenty of people on here taking their D4s some very rough places without a problem. Just a few little scratches to show for it...

Only a bad tradesman blames his tools...

Just put it straight up - you wanted a 70 series.....

[Tombie]

Did the dealer care or have any knowledge of this phenomenon? How much credit to supply sans wheels? 9 out of 10 on the school run I suppose is the real truth.

If you want some real humour follow LR on Instagram or Twitter to see the absolute garbage they put up showing luxurious interiors or some picture of a car in a paddock and the watch the 300 likes and ooh ahhs from the adoring masses. Embarrassing.



Any different to Tugmota fan boys? Nope...

[BobD]

I was seriously considering "upgrading" my 400,000km GQ Patrol to a 76 series until I drove one on a gravel road (not track) as part of a training course for work. It was terrible even on a well made road with some corrugations. The GQ was way better. That is why I now have a D4 which has been on heaps of outback roads and tracks all over Australia, unlike what the earlier poster said. I have never damaged the GOE rims apart from scratches on the outside of the bead area. Certainly nothing in the hub area.


A friend of mine bought a 76 series for a trip on the Canning Stock Route. That was the only trip he did and sold it straight away because he couldn't stand it. He went back to using his Hilux for the rough stuff.


They are a tough off roader and one of the few "real" 4WD's left but you certainly make compromises if you own one.

[RobA]

This makes for an interesting discussion and in around 20 years of 4wd touring and training none of the previous comments surprises me at all. We have done enough mud, sand and rocks to ensure I know which of those costs me the most due to increased wear and tear and that is mud. Would I point my D4 at any of that? No problem at all and with total confidence I would get through. Will I? Only if I really need to these days as we are more focussed on remote and demanding outback touring which normally involves mud, rocks and everything else. The only challenge the Kimberley does not offer up is the terrain of the Victorian High Country.

In the first instance we would need to put Recaro's into anything at around nose bleed pricing as they must have side airbags if already fitted to the vehicle. My D4 already has fantastic seats which is one of the many reasons we moved from operating Toyota's over 15 years. Apart from the comfort and capability of the D4 it saved me a fortune in fitout. We would normally spend around $15k plus fitting a 4WD out. All the D4 cost was a dual battery system and the GOE rims.

Capability and reliability. Well after a 22,000km trip through the NT, Kimberley including two runs over the Gibb and all the really rough stuff and towing our Ultimate Camper we averaged 14.9l per 100km and had nothing go wrong. Car now as >50,000km on it in less than two years so we don't stuff around with these things they are not toys. Nice if you can afford it but ours have to earn a living.

So each to his own is fine by me but IMHO I cannot find a better combination of comfort and capability that I can use every day and not have the cost of a toy in the shed. If I did it would be built like a competition truck so I could really have some serious fun

Rob

[Garfield]

This makes for an interesting discussion and in around 20 years of 4wd touring and training none of the previous comments surprises me at all. We have done enough mud, sand and rocks to ensure I know which of those costs me the most due to increased wear and tear and that is mud. Would I point my D4 at any of that? No problem at all and with total confidence I would get through. Will I? Only if I really need to these days as we are more focussed on remote and demanding outback touring which normally involves mud, rocks and everything else. The only challenge the Kimberley does not offer up is the terrain of the Victorian High Country.

In the first instance we would need to put Recaro's into anything at around nose bleed pricing as they must have side airbags if already fitted to the vehicle. My D4 already has fantastic seats which is one of the many reasons we moved from operating Toyota's over 15 years. Apart from the comfort and capability of the D4 it saved me a fortune in fitout. We would normally spend around $15k plus fitting a 4WD out. All the D4 cost was a dual battery system and the GOE rims.

Capability and reliability. Well after a 22,000km trip through the NT, Kimberley including two runs over the Gibb and all the really rough stuff and towing our Ultimate Camper we averaged 14.9l per 100km and had nothing go wrong. Car now as >50,000km on it in less than two years so we don't stuff around with these things they are not toys. Nice if you can afford it but ours have to earn a living.

So each to his own is fine by me but IMHO I cannot find a better combination of comfort and capability that I can use every day and not have the cost of a toy in the shed. If I did it would be built like a competition truck so I could really have some serious fun

Rob


Hi RobA, do you run or work for a touring company ? If so, can you please give details as I maybe interested. You can PM me if you prefer. thanks :)

[RobA]

PM sent and yes we do

Rob

[BobD]

We are getting a bit off topic but on our way back from Darwin to Perth this year we stopped at a camp spot south of Carnarvon called Port Gladstone (WA not QLD). The guy that runs it is the station owner and he came up to me and asked how my D4 was going.


He told me that he runs nothing else but D3's and D4's on his station and has done for several years because they are the only vehicles that get through the mud in wet weather. I couldn't believe it when he said that he got rid of his Toyotas and Patrols because they were useless on his property. Must be the only station owner in Australia to run Discos I reckon!!


The road to the camp was pure red clay with ruts everywhere from vehicles driving on it in wet weather, probably his Disco.

[BMKal]

We are getting a bit off topic but on our way back from Darwin to Perth this year we stopped at a camp spot south of Carnarvon called Port Gladstone (WA not QLD). The guy that runs it is the station owner and he came up to me and asked how my D4 was going.


He told me that he runs nothing else but D3's and D4's on his station and has done for several years because they are the only vehicles that get through the mud in wet weather. I couldn't believe it when he said that he got rid of his Toyotas and Patrols because they were useless on his property. Must be the only station owner in Australia to run Discos I reckon!!


The road to the camp was pure red clay with ruts everywhere from vehicles driving on it in wet weather, probably his Disco.

Nope. :D

Woolibar Station not far out of Kalgoorlie is the same - running D4's. ;)

And the station owner doesn't "baby" them either. Overtook me late one night on the way back up from Perth - I was shall we say, exceeding the speed limit as one does on the long remote straights between Southern Cross and Coolgardie, and he went past me like I was standing still - and he had a large tandem trailer with full cage on behind. :o

Nice bloke to talk to - I see him in town occasionally - and he only has good things to say about the Disco's. His wife drives a very nice RRS.

He is one of many I've met who will tell you that the 70 series Toymota is very over rated and only really popular among the posers. It seems that most of the young blokes who have them around here buy them only so that they can fit an after-market exhaust to them to give that loud V8 bellow around town - and these things rarely if ever venture off the bitumen. The young blokes who go bush all drive Hi-Lux / Ranger / Patrol, and if they are on a trip with the local 4WD club, they are usually being led by a Land Rover. ;)

[Garfield]

PM sent and yes we do

Rob


Sorry RobA.


Unfortunately the PM has not come through for some reason. do you have to have a certain level of subscription to have this feature on aulro ?

[Tombie]

Sorry RobA.


Unfortunately the PM has not come through for some reason. do you have to have a certain level of subscription to have this feature on aulro ?



Need to be a subscriber is all...

[Babs]

PM me as well Rob.

[RobA]

Yep done

Rob

[Russrobe]

Alan.
You could buy an early 2.7 D4 and still have a nice vehicle without the 19" tyre issue.
Andrew


What a load of Cocky Poo!

The Toyota is a massive compromise vehicle, all those that have them here admit that..

You need a Snorkel, regardless so that's 1.
You'll need lockers to match a D4, that's 2.
You'll certainly want the front and sides protected (steps, sliders and under bars), that's 3.
And you'll need to replace the **** house suspension that says with any load in quick order, so that's 4.
Then there's realigning the rear track to meet the front... great for Sand and Ruts, that's 5.

Not one of the LC guys has spent less than $7k adding to/upgrading the LC to make it suitable.

And the locals - well they ALL replaced their tyres in short order AND all of them have rims completely scratched up after a couple of our club trips.... doesn't look quite as bad as they are silver with clear so it doesn't stand out as much..

And they have ALL spent serious time in the workshop for stupid issues....

Claiming you don't see any D4s "outback" demonstrates a limited view... there are significant numbers out there.. even a few tour companies using them...

To claim it's more expensive and damage prone is laughable.... I've taken the D4 on multiple long runs with the boys in the 70s, and 200s and the only vehicle to not have an issue - the D4...

No compromise off-roader? The D4 was eating tracks for 3 days at 100+ (I could stop and easily catch up at any time) whilst the LCs were trying to rattle apart at 65km/h. Wait until the welds on the body start to crack under the bonnet.. or the bull bar fatigues... or the RAI that's not sealed if you get the factory one... or the door mechanisms that rattle loose, the hubs that shear studs for no explicable reason....

There's plenty of people on here taking their D4s some very rough places without a problem. Just a few little scratches to show for it...

Only a bad tradesman blames his tools...

Just put it straight up - you wanted a 70 series.....

Couldn't help but laugh when a 70 series owner told me he was about to pay $6000 to replace the rear end to swap from leaf springs to coils. Keep complaining about the scratches on your wheels though buddy....

[Meccles]

While not a Disco and not 18"s this is at Waddy Point. 4 people trailer etc up on Fraser. Did I get stuck? Yep once because I was stupid. But in same place we had 70 series tray back stuck and shorty GQ patrol on 35's. Very soft sand. Rest of time no issue. Will I put 18"s on? Probably cause they are better for this. Just gotta let bank account recover from 77 Update
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[eddy]

Any thoughts on these wheels from Terra Firma https://www.devon4x4.com/discovery-3-discovery-4-rr-sport-8x18-steel-wheel.html
Enquiry to Devon to confirm fitment to a MY11 3.0 brought this reply 'The wheels will fit all the versions excluding the Brembo brake versions, so yours should be fine.
Information was passed to us from the manufacturer and we have had no issues yet,

Please feel free to contact me if there is anything else I can help with.

Regards,

Mike Stabb
Sales Team
Devon 4x4


tel: 0044 (0) 1769 550900
email: mike.stabb@devon4x4.com
post: D44 Store Ltd, Southlea Business Park, Bish Mill, South Molton, Devon, EX36 3QU. United Kingdom'

[2012 Lux]

Eddy
Let me know how you go as I'd be keen to look at ordering a set also.
Cheers
Tom

[eddy]

Tom,I made the enquiry merely to confirm fitment on 3.0 D4.Wish I knew about them before I bought six new 19" tyres!

[Garfield]

I was looking at getting one as a second spare but with 99 pounds shipping plus 76 pounds for the wheel it makes it roughly $298 AUD at todays rates

[eddy]

Maybe worth contacting Terrafirma distributors in OZ Accessories and Performance Upgrades for Land Rover Vehicles | Terrafirma Serious 4x4 Accessories (http://www.terrafirma4x4.com/distributors.php?country=Australia)

[Grentarc]

Maybe worth contacting Terrafirma distributors in OZ Accessories and Performance Upgrades for Land Rover Vehicles | Terrafirma Serious 4x4 Accessories (http://www.terrafirma4x4.com/distributors.php?country=Australia)
The Australian distributors have previously said they are not importing any. Maybe one of them have changed their minds by now?

[RHS58]

Perhaps they'll change their minds if there's enough demand.
I wonder if a group buy direct from overseas is feasible?

Be good to see pic of a D4 with these wheels .

[carlschmid2002]

Wasn't there an issue with these wheels and spacers. You will still need a centre ring and is the off-set acceptable?

[Grentarc]

Wasn't there an issue with these wheels and spacers. You will still need a centre ring and is the off-set acceptable?
These steel wheels said to be direct fit with only new nuts required - from memory the offset is 1mm different to the compomotives (I may not remember correctly though)

The Lucky8 D3 runs spacers due to the excessively wide tyres it runs on these rims

[eddy]

Looking on the LrDirect site the wheels are $115.15 each and postage for 6 is $203.80,so total delivered to door is $894.70 for 6 rims.Use a trade membership discount,even less.

[RobA]

Correct me if I am wrong but aren't spacers illegal without an engineering certificate. Certainly are in SA, my CPE has advised

Rob

[Grentarc]

The Terrafirma 18" specs -
8x18
5x120
1500kg load rating
ET45

[Grentarc]

The Terrafirma 18" specs -
8x18
5x120
1500kg load rating
ET45
So it has now been shown that these steel wheels DO NOT fit over the 3.0 brakes, even though Terrafirma have told people (including myself) otherwise.

Lucky8 Offroad have an Instagram video of them grinding the calipers to fit these steel wheels.

[Garfield]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................... Looks like a case of deceptive and misleading conduct spreading incorrect fitting details :angel:


Looks like I won't be ordering a rim now !

[gghaggis]

So it has now been shown that these steel wheels DO NOT fit over the 3.0 brakes, even though Terrafirma have told people (including myself) otherwise.

Lucky8 Offroad have an Instagram video of them grinding the calipers to fit these steel wheels.

Yes, Lucky 8 now run Compomotives.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Grentarc]

Yes, Lucky 8 now run Compomotives.

Cheers,

Gordon
Yes, didn't take them long to change over by the looks of it!

[ATH]

I have read most of this thread as have been thinking of replacement wheels for my D4, but last weekend met a fellow club member who has 19" rims with General Grabber ATs fitted.
He had them sent up to Carnarvon after ruining 2 of the original fit tyres on the tracks on Dirk Hartog Island.
I think they're tyre I'll go for as I had them on my 2003 Td5 and they were very good plus it saves the expence of GOE rims. :p
Now that'll keep the Cook happy....... maybe. :o
AlanH.

[Grentarc]

Here are the 3 videos from Lucky8 Offroad
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMKSkWZjnmX/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMKmvZPj12v/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMK8cTNDNLP/

[eddy]

Lucky 8 state the wheels are their own manufacture,no mention of them being made by Terrafirma?

[Grentarc]

Lucky 8 state the wheels are their own manufacture,no mention of them being made by Terrafirma?
On their Instagram comments they say they worked with Terrafirma, and the part number in their online shop is TF152 which is the terrafirma part number. The relationship may be similar to Gordon and his relationship with Compomotive

[Babs]

I have read most of this thread as have been thinking of replacement wheels for my D4, but last weekend met a fellow club member who has 19" rims with General Grabber ATs fitted.

He had them sent up to Carnarvon after ruining 2 of the original fit tyres on the tracks on Dirk Hartog Island.

I think they're tyre I'll go for as I had them on my 2003 Td5 and they were very good plus it saves the expence of GOE rims. :p

Now that'll keep the Cook happy....... maybe. :o

AlanH.



The GG's that were on your TD5 are a different tyre to the GG 19"

Depending on what you do with your truck you might want to go with the 18" option from now to save you the cost of the GG's.

But then I'm only advising based on my own recent experiences.

[Disco-tastic]

Theres a few around with the 19" GG's that have had good experiences. Tyre construction can differ between sizes so ypu may find that your experience with the 19" is different to the 16-18" rims on the D2.

You had a shocking run with the maxxis babs. When are your new wheels due?

[LandyAndy]

Theres a few around with the 19" GG's that have had good experiences. Tyre construction can differ between sizes so ypu may find that your experience with the 19" is different to the 16-18" rims on the D2.

You had a shocking run with the maxxis babs. When are your new wheels due?

Babs issue was more user error,which he admits.It wasn't the tyres when you look into it.
Andrew

[Babs]

Theres a few around with the 19" GG's that have had good experiences. Tyre construction can differ between sizes so ypu may find that your experience with the 19" is different to the 16-18" rims on the D2.

You had a shocking run with the maxxis babs. When are your new wheels due?



Well I paid air freight so I thought they should have already arrived.

I emailed Gordon a few days back and he said the factory were making them then, so it would be another 7-10 days and then another 7-10 I am assuming for air freight.

Maxxis are taking a look at my tyres on Monday, I'll keep you all posted on the outcome, I'm hoping full refund.

[Babs]

Babs issue was more user error,which he admits.It wasn't the tyres when you look into it.

Andrew



First time round the pressures were up but where I drove in over 20years I have never dropped the pressures there. Second time round the pressures were on the money and that was the worst gash, down to the cords.

I'm convinced there is just not enough sidewall there, wether they are at road pressures or deflated they act different to a tyre with more sidewall. There is less rubber so there seems to be more ball point pressure in a smaller area, whereas more sidewall means more rubber to flex around an object, I'm assuming that the more rubber & flex the less concentrated pressure to one spot.

I hope that makes sense, hard to describe that point of view.

The Maxxis might be LT construction but I just don't thick the sidewalls are thick or stiff enough, the old 3 ply sidewalls of the Coopers and BFG are obviously proven. See how I go when the 18" arrive.

[LRDisco_Fever]

Yes, Lucky 8 now run Compomotives.

Cheers,

Gordon

They never actually ran the steels on the LR3, they just test fitted one and decided it would be to hard so kept the comps on.
Hahah

[Grentarc]

They never actually ran the steels on the LR3, they just test fitted one and decided it would be to hard so kept the comps on.
Hahah
The ones in this photo must be 17" then, before they went to D4 brakes - I just remembered seeing them run a full set of steel wheels when flicking through

https://www.instagram.com/p/kZlkneFJzW/

[dalil]

It looks like CSA have 18 inch rims for D4
Dali

[Tombie]

So. In the interests of understanding what styles people here like..

Post a pic of a wheel out there you would like in D4 fitment.

Will be interesting to see what people like

[LandyAndy]

Pretty sure they are the ones Aaron40 had test fitted,didnt fit on the front.
Andrew

[laughto]

Umm, think it was an issue with offset in most States. QLD was an exception from memory.

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[LRD414]

This is quite funny now. That's the exact wheel from the first post in this very thread. So wheel thread comes full circle. See what I did there?

Scott

[LandyAndy]

Umm, think it was an issue with offset in most States. QLD was an exception from memory.

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I know Aaron got 2 types in for a test fitting and both didn't fit despite the manufacturers website saying they do.On set would have needed caliper grinding the other set no chance.
He went 20" OEM with the Nitro grippers in 285/50.Will see how they go in sand in a few weeks when we hold our now annual ****hing Trip.He is very happy with them on-road,look a million too!!!!!
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/02/161.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-12/502623960_zpslstgjfgw.jpg.html)

Andrew

[Disco-tastic]

So. In the interests of understanding what styles people here like..

Post a pic of a wheel out there you would like in D4 fitment.

Will be interesting to see what people like
These are my favourite tombie
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/12/619.jpg

[scarry]

These are my favourite tombie
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/12/619.jpg


D5 OEM?

For the soccer mums chariot?:eek:

[Tombie]

D5 OEM?



For the soccer mums chariot?:eek:



Defender - Indus Silver edition..

[LandyAndy]

BM Kal has a set of those.
Andrew

[Marc_Rover]

It would seem the CSA website state they do fit the Disco 4 see link below

CSA Direct (http://www.csadirect.com.au/fitment-guide.asp?DataBankId=828&DataBankCat2Name=Landrover&DataBankCat2Id=28&T=0)

which is great news, has anyone else fitted them yet and if so what tyres and do you get any scrubbing/rubbing at all when on full lock etc? As they sit out wider hoping this compensates for the wider 275 tyre.

[Grentarc]

the offset is "not legal" at 35, and they only list 2 models as fitting, so I wonder if they have done anything different?

[LRD414]

It would seem the CSA website state they do fit the Disco 4 see link below
CSA Direct (http://www.csadirect.com.au/fitment-guide.asp?DataBankId=828&DataBankCat2Name=Landrover&DataBankCat2Id=28&T=0)

which is great news, has anyone else fitted them yet and if so what tyres and do you get any scrubbing/rubbing at all when on full lock etc?
As they sit out wider hoping this compensates for the wider 275 tyre.

Lol. This is now properly Groundhog Day.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/12/478.jpg

Does no one read any earlier posts?
It's all been asked and answered ....

Very first post ....

Spotted a 2016 3litre today with 18 inch csa raptor wheels today. Looked great I thought. Had 275/65/18 maxis bighorn tyres.
What's the go here? I thought only compomotive made 18,s for these ? 114861
Subsequently refuted. From page 3:

There's a few other things aftermarket rims need to comply with, but in the case of rim offset, the CSA's are not legal in at least WA, Victoria and NSW.
I think the Territories would follow the National COP, so would be the same as Queensland. But I'd check.


And from page 5:

Did a test fit of CSA 18 x 8 wheels, Raptor and Jackal over front disc brake caliper.
The Jackal did not even go on.
The Raptor fitted on however all 4 cooling fins were in contact with the inside of the rim so it couldn't be turned.
The my15 3.0 D4 that is pictured must have had the caliper cooling/ heat dissipation fins ground down so that the wheel could be fitted.
And so it remains that unless you ground the fins the only 18 inch for direct fit is the Compomotives from Gordon....


And post from 3 days ago linking to same wheel .... also answered in the negative.

It looks like CSA have 18 inch rims for D4


Cheers,
Scott

[BobD]

I guess with 21 pages in the thread one could be forgiven for not reading all of the earlier posts if one came in late in the thread.

[Lukeis]

Lol. This is now properly Groundhog Day.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/12/478.jpg

Does no one read any earlier posts?
It's all been asked and answered ....

Very first post ....

Subsequently refuted. From page 3:


And from page 5:



And post from 3 days ago linking to same wheel .... also answered in the negative.



Cheers,
Scott


I think this is one of my favourite posts.

[RHS58]

I think this is one of my favourite posts.

Mine too!

[RHS58]

I think this is one of my favourite posts.

Mine too!

[RHS58]

I think this is one of my favourite posts.

Mine too!

(Couldn't help myself, Groundhog Day n all!)

[carlschmid2002]

I have ordered my GOE wheels. I will be putting the 20" rims on the D3 and using the 18" rims off the D3 for the camper trailer and spares.

[Stuart02]

I know Aaron got 2 types in for a test fitting and both didn't fit despite the manufacturers website saying they do.On set would have needed caliper grinding the other set no chance.
He went 20" OEM with the Nitro grippers in 285/50.Will see how they go in sand in a few weeks when we hold our now annual ****hing Trip.He is very happy with them on-road,look a million too!!!!!
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/02/161.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-12/502623960_zpslstgjfgw.jpg.html)

Andrew
Aaron's 285/50/20 spare wouldn't fit in the spare wheel well, I'm guessing? Any further news on scrubbing etc?

[Aaron40]

Aaron's 285/50/20 spare wouldn't fit in the spare wheel well, I'm guessing? Any further news on scrubbing etc?

It fits deflated, with valve removed. same as 285/60r18 which is a few mm larger in diameter. I moved ECU wiring on RHF chassis rail higher to stop scrubbing with zip ties. I have noticed a small amount of scrubbing in RHF wheel well at front bottom inside of wheel well liner only in reverse full lock right hand down, will bend it back or trim a few cms off.

Happy with tyres so far, they are a lot quitter than the GG 255/55/19s they replaced with 30kms on.

Will see how they perform against Andrews 18s this week on the Beach...:D

[Russrobe]

It fits deflated, with valve removed. same as 285/60r18 which is a few mm larger in diameter. I moved ECU wiring on RHF chassis rail higher to stop scrubbing with zip ties. I have noticed a small amount of scrubbing in RHF wheel well at front bottom inside of wheel well liner only in reverse full lock right hand down, will bend it back or trim a few cms off.

Happy with tyres so far, they are a lot quitter than the GG 255/55/19s they replaced with 30kms on.

Will see how they perform against Andrews 18s this week on the Beach...:D
Ah, i didn't notice any wire looms, will have to hve another look.

My wheel liners were cable tied to the bull bar at the front, but at some point they were ripped off so going to try cable ties with the liner inside the bullbar now...

Rears need some heat gun moulding. Might finally get to these today.

Makes me wonder how people squeeze 275 65 18s under. The 285 60s are tight.

[Tombie]

Hehe.. let's clarify - the 285/60s are illegal [emoji13]
(Without a heap of mods that no one does).

[Russrobe]

Yep, but who's going to pull over a Discovery when there's plenty of Patrols and L/C's with 4" lifts and 35's to target :P

I'm just wondering how people are making the 275 65's fit with a bull bar?? If mine are knocking the cable ties off that they put on when you get the bar, how are there's not hitting it....

[Tombie]

Get yourself some alloy angle from Bunnings..
Cut it into a short strip and bolt it to the Bullbar... then screw the plastic forward to the alloy [emoji6]

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My concern with people OS tyre sizing an Air suspended LR (and have witnessed it happen on a P38)....

If the vehicle can drop onto the wheels upon bag failure and not the bump stops, then it is a very real, very dangerous situation..

Imagine doing 110km/h down the highway when your RHF/RHR drops completely and the vehicle spears violently into oncoming traffic as that side jams up...

Police will pull one over coming off a beach / 4wd area one day, and if the scrapes under the guards are visible it's a canary...
There are rules for minimum clearances to panels etc... anything that doesn't meet this is poor by design...

[BobD]

My concern with people OS tyre sizing an Air suspended LR (and have witnessed it happen on a P38)....

If the vehicle can drop onto the wheels upon bag failure and not the bump stops, then it is a very real, very dangerous situation..





Tombie, the D4 can't drop to the wheels. It sits on the bump stops, not the wheels, with the largest tyres that can fit without mods (285/60/18). The only rub points are very slight and front and rear of the tyres, not on top of the wheel arch. All are just contact with the plastic wheel arch liner.


There is no fear of dangerous happenings at all.

[Tombie]

Interesting - a couple of people with 285/60-18 have told me the vehicle was unable to be driven once it dropped to bump stops; because the tyre had fully contacted said plastic (and backing steel) and wasn't moving..

There's also 2 different height bump stops, changed around 2011....

[shanegtr]

Get yourself some alloy angle from Bunnings..
Cut it into a short strip and bolt it to the Bullbar... then screw the plastic forward to the alloy [emoji6]

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My concern with people OS tyre sizing an Air suspended LR (and have witnessed it happen on a P38)....

If the vehicle can drop onto the wheels upon bag failure and not the bump stops, then it is a very real, very dangerous situation..

Imagine doing 110km/h down the highway when your RHF/RHR drops completely and the vehicle spears violently into oncoming traffic as that side jams up...

Police will pull one over coming off a beach / 4wd area one day, and if the scrapes under the guards are visible it's a canary...
There are rules for minimum clearances to panels etc... anything that doesn't meet this is poor by design...

Im hearing you on the oversize tyre thing. The bloke I brought my bull bar from was running 265/70/17 (from memory)tyres on his D3 - Got a flat tyre at 100km/h with camper trailer in tow, suspension dropped down (I've had mine do this with a sudden blowout) and rear tyres jammed into the guards causing another tyre to be destroyed and done a bit of damage to the inner guards as well

[Russrobe]

Interesting - a couple of people with 285/60-18 have told me the vehicle was unable to be driven once it dropped to bump stops; because the tyre had fully contacted said plastic (and backing steel) and wasn't moving..

There's also 2 different height bump stops, changed around 2011....
Yep 2 different height bump stops. Figured out which one i had because access height plus low setting on llams hits them with stock tyres and I have to quickly open the door before car raises.. Like your idea on the backing plate. ..

Definitely see your concern about failure, but i only seem to get clearancd issues at full lock, other than that they clear by quite a distance. Even then it's just plastic guards...

[Tombie]

Russrobe

You can solve the low issue by recaibrating Llams to -20 setting on later bump stop vehicles.

[Russrobe]

Russrobe

You can solve the low issue by recaibrating Llams to -20 setting on later bump stop vehicles.
I stopped using it and bought the bear a ramp...

You're right about needing a bracket, the problem is the ARB bar's lower protection plates come back further than the original bumper by a good inch meaning the wheel liner is being pulled in an inch... https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/12/263.jpg

Wrong shape too.

[BobD]

Interesting - a couple of people with 285/60-18 have told me the vehicle was unable to be driven once it dropped to bump stops; because the tyre had fully contacted said plastic (and backing steel) and wasn't moving..

There's also 2 different height bump stops, changed around 2011....


As far as I know my 2010 has longer suspension travel than the later models and the tyres are nowhere near contacting anything in the way you have said, either in extreme off road conditions or when there is no air in the suspension system. Is this something you know of from first hand experience or is this a friend of a friend thing?


I would like to see what Gordon has to say about it.

[TuffRR]

I'm just wondering how people are making the 275 65's fit with a bull bar?? If mine are knocking the cable ties off that they put on when you get the bar, how are there's not hitting it....

Quite well, thanks for asking....


I run 275/65/18's with a ARB bar. A bit of rubbing but only spot i haven't resolved yet is the chassis horn. I don't have any cable ties though holding my guards to the bar. I have bolts going through the plastic to captive nuts in the bar.

[LandyAndy]

Groundhogs day again.
The 18" Terra Firma Steel rims.
Can anybody confirm if they do fit the REAR of the MY 14 D4????
Reason being,my camper trailer is running D2 16",interested in running 18" to match the D4.I will be getting rid of the camper trailer top but keeping the trailer.
Andrew

[Grentarc]

Groundhogs day again.
The 18" Terra Firma Steel rims.
Can anybody confirm if they do fit the REAR of the MY 14 D4????
Reason being,my camper trailer is running D2 16",interested in running 18" to match the D4.I will be getting rid of the camper trailer top but keeping the trailer.
Andrew
Why not run LR 18" on the trailer - they guarantee to fit MY14 rear.

[cjc_td5]

Just get a set of LR 18" rims Andrew. They fit on the rear of a MY14 D4. If you keep an eye out they come up on gumtree for around $100 each. Chris

[LandyAndy]

If I did I would have to butcher the centres of the alloys to fit over the trailer hubs like Ive done with the D2 alloys;);););););)
I found out later the D2 steels fit the hubs without modification.
People have posted here that some D4s wont accept the 18" D4 alloy on the rear.
Andrew

[BobD]

People have posted here that some D4s wont accept the 18" D4 alloy on the rear.
Andrew


That was me. I was put right by those in the know. The 2010 model which I have has bigger callipers. I have now changed to the later model smaller callipers and the LR 18 inch wheel now fits the rear. There is no difference in the disk rotor size or the pads, just that the 2010 model had huge alloy callipers which have less clearance than the front callipers.

[Tombie]

As far as I know my 2010 has longer suspension travel than the later models and the tyres are nowhere near contacting anything in the way you have said, either in extreme off road conditions or when there is no air in the suspension system. Is this something you know of from first hand experience or is this a friend of a friend thing?


I would like to see what Gordon has to say about it.



Witnessed on a 2012 and a D3 2008. Both had failed Compressor systems and had dropped to their guts...

If it turns out to not be a concern for later vehicles that's good [emoji4]

[Grentarc]

Witnessed on a 2012 and a D3 2008. Both had failed Compressor systems and had dropped to their guts...

If it turns out to not be a concern for later vehicles that's good [emoji4]
It was noted on my D4 prior to the later model shocks being fitted that there was almost no room at the rear between standard tyres and liner when on the bump stops, that the tyre would scrape any mud that had collected in there. With the later model genuine shocks fitted there is plenty of room between the rubber and liner/mud when on the stops. This caused us to think the rear was not down on the stop when my compressor failed, leading to most of an afternoon wasted checking valve blocks etc.

[Tombie]

Still no one has answered / posted...

What style of wheel would people like to see in an 18 for the D4 etc?

[Graeme]

I suspect that for most people, almost any design that's strong enough and has legal offset will suffice - function 95%, form 5%, just not too girly for blokes.

[Tombie]

I suspect that for most people, almost any design that's strong enough and has legal offset will suffice - function 95%, form 5%, just not too girly for blokes.



I thought so too, but the Compomotives seem to polarise opinion...

[Babs]

Still no one has answered / posted...

What style of wheel would people like to see in an 18 for the D4 etc?



Tombie I would be happy with the factory rims just available in 18" then you could choose to paint or powder coat yourself what ever colour.

I'd personally leave them as standard, I think the style really suits the vehicle, a big shame they don't come in 18".

Anyways, my GOE 18" are running extremely late by about a month but Gordon has told me by the 28th Dec. so hopefully they will be on before new year.

[BMKal]

My factory rims are 18". :p:p:p

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/12/238.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/4eaoqmr31/)

And yes - in my opinion, they look way better than Compomotives. :D

[rar110]

I like simple 5 or 6 spoke alloys with smooth lines as less likely to capture brake dust and easier to hand clean. I find the ribs around the inner circumference on the Compomotives a minor PIA to hand clean.

[rar110]

Sorry BMKal, but I would find those types of rims a PIA to hand clean. I use a quick detailer product to hand clean the wheels as it applies a wax to protect the clear over silver paint on the alloy. The wax also smooths the surface so less dust sticks to the wheel.

[Tombie]

Ceramic Pads - No dust [emoji6]

[BobD]

I am with Graeme. I couldn't care less about cleaning or looks, just function! The only issue I have is the ribs around the inner outside rim collect real dust (don't care about brake dust), sand and mud. The dust also turns to mud and goes hard and is hard to remove to keep the wheels in balance.

[discorevy]

with 400 metres of pea gravel before I get to any blacktop , Id need blower fans on my brake pads
Merry christmas all

[scarry]

Ceramic Pads - No dust [emoji6]

A bit off topic.:)

Why do almost all European made vehicles have heaps of brake dust,yet the Jap ones have virtually none.And the Jap setup seems to last a lot longer,that is the pads and rotors.

I don't want to hear the Jap setup doesn't work well,because that is incorrect.;)

And i bet the Jap stuff isn't ceramic..

[Grentarc]

A bit off topic.:)

Why do almost all European made vehicles have heaps of brake dust,yet the Jap ones have virtually none.And the Jap setup seems to last a lot longer,that is the pads and rotors.

I don't want to hear the Jap setup doesn't work well,because that is incorrect.;)

And i bet the Jap stuff isn't ceramic..
That all comes down to pad compound, and a small bit rotor hardness.
I have found a lot of Japanese steel to be harder than European steel, so that would extend rotor life.

[Tombie]

To be fair I've never looked at them in depth.
I do know the latest offerings still have more pedal force needed to stop than Euro gear so my gut feel is Harder metal and harder pad compound (organic not metallic)

[BMKal]

Sorry BMKal, but I would find those types of rims a PIA to hand clean. I use a quick detailer product to hand clean the wheels as it applies a wax to protect the clear over silver paint on the alloy. The wax also smooths the surface so less dust sticks to the wheel.

I use Auto Glym wheel sealer and, as Tombie has said, have ceramic (Akebono) brake pads on all 4 wheels. Dirty wheels are really not an issue for me. Usually just a squirt with the hose and they are clean. :D