Who Will Be Watching Bathurst? [Archive] - Australian Land Rover Owners

Pickles2

4th October 2016, 04:55 PM

Well, I will.
I've been watching it every year sinse TV coverage started.
My special Bathurst "Event" is my Bathurst "Breakfast", which Wifey cooks for me prior to race start on Sunday, every year.
My "Bathurst Breakfast", is fried eggs, bacon, a couple of sausages, tomatoes, mushrooms, & a couple of slices of fried bread.
Yummee, I can see & taste it now.
I watch the total telecast from Thursday.
This year, owing to it being the last year that Garth Tander is with the Holden Racing Team, I'm hoping that He & Luffy will have a win.
However, 888 is very strong, so I'm thinking one of their cars is a good chance.
Pickles.

Slunnie

4th October 2016, 05:24 PM

Big yes from me, I'll be watching it. Wouldn't miss it. Well, I'll be watching that and anything I can stream from the Hawaii Ironman triathlon world championships.

I hadn't watched the F1 for a long time, but after watching Malaysia the other day I think that I'll be watching that again from now on also.

rangieman

4th October 2016, 05:34 PM

Yep have`nt missed one ever since i can remember:cool:

weeds

4th October 2016, 05:46 PM

I normally watch the start and finish but do other things in between....this year I will be camping

scarry

4th October 2016, 05:57 PM

I always watch the whole race,but the later start these days means i have to wait an extra hour before it starts.:( like everyone else:)

Granddaughters 1st birthday is also same day and starts at 10.30 down the park:mad:

Somehow i will have to sneak off...:D

I bet no-one will notice,except maybe the dog

Or maybe i can watch it on my work iPad

incisor

4th October 2016, 06:37 PM

hopefully i will get to see at least some of it...

Chops

4th October 2016, 07:41 PM

Might get to watch the start maybe,,, but then I'll be running my own race back home from Albury in the big D4 :angel:

Homestar

4th October 2016, 08:08 PM

Will be trying to watch as much as I can, but we have to attend a friends kids first birthday party... :mad:

Hopefully the blokes will find the TV and use. :D

carlschmid2002

4th October 2016, 11:20 PM

I usually only watch the start and finish. Once upon a time I used to go to Bathurst parties and drink lots of beer and eat prawns and watch the whole race. With two little kids I can't ignore them for that long.

Pedro_The_Swift

5th October 2016, 06:36 AM

Yep, all day,, should be uninterrupted this year as can move Di along to hospitalised MIL:angel::angel::whistling:

now if they just ban the safety car--,, and tilt trays, :twisted:

Homestar

5th October 2016, 08:31 AM

Yep, all day,, should be uninterrupted this year as can move Di along to hospitalised MIL:angel::angel::whistling:

now if they just ban the safety car--,, and tilt trays, :twisted:

We just need to go back to the good old days when the tilt trays just drove around the track to make a recovery while everyone was still racing. :D

Nothing like a mobile slow moving obstacle to give the drivers something extra to think about.

Pedro_The_Swift

5th October 2016, 08:34 AM

big helicopters and straps,,
lift and dump.
all over in seconds.

scarry

5th October 2016, 12:25 PM

big helicopters and straps,,
lift and dump.
all over in seconds.

But that will blow lots of rubbish around and cause havoc :p

Disco Muppet

5th October 2016, 02:41 PM

But that will blow lots of rubbish around and cause havoc :p

Wouldn't complain about a few of the bogan blow ins being blown out again ;) :p:twisted:
I won't be watching. Listening probably from the shed at work.

Outback 1

5th October 2016, 03:24 PM

Haven't watched it since they turned it into a high paid procession of clone cars and drivers with no brand loyalty 👎

vnx205

5th October 2016, 04:07 PM

.... ....
Nothing like a mobile slow moving obstacle to give the drivers something extra to think about.

That is what some of the driver thought the year someone ran a standard Volvo. I think it was Alan Grice who called it a mobile chicane. :)

shanegtr

5th October 2016, 04:55 PM

I'll be at work this year so no TV to watch it with. Will keep an eye on things over the interweb where I can however

dfendr

6th October 2016, 08:58 AM

Never mind watching Bathurst
I think i should invite myself around for Breakfast

Pickles2

9th October 2016, 06:48 PM

Best race in years, & what a GREAT result,...i was cheering for car 2, but the result was good, just shows that the little guy can win.
Sitting with wifey at the moment, enjoying a nice bottle of red, & waiting for the "Brock Movie",..which promises to be even more interesting than the race.
Can't wait for next year.
Pickles.

scarry

9th October 2016, 06:50 PM

So Red Bull are contesting the 15 second penalty.

FWIW,i recon it was an unfortunate racing incident....:confused:

Whincup did what he should after pushing the volvo onto the grass,tried to readdress.

The rest was a racing accident.

Just my 2 cents worth.

It was another fantastic race.

Pickles2

9th October 2016, 06:56 PM

So Red Bull are contesting the 15 second penalty.

FWIW,i recon it was an unfortunate racing incident....:confused:
Interesting,...I didn't know that,.....actually that could be interesting, because that's what I thought it was,...a "racing incident",......Jamie would be the last person to cause something like that,....actually he would do his absolute best to avoid such,.....so why was blame attached to him?......I don't know.
Let's see how any of the so called "experts" would react in such a situation.
Pickles.

scarry

9th October 2016, 07:06 PM

Interesting,...I didn't know that,.....actually that could be interesting, because that's what I thought it was,...a "racing incident",......Jamie would be the last person to cause something like that,....actually he would do his absolute best to avoid such,.....so why was blame attached to him?......I don't know.
Let's see how any of the so called "experts" would react in such a situation.
Pickles.

Actually Red Bull are very lucky they got a penalty that can be reversed.

If you look closely at the incident,Tander didn't see the Volvo,which he then hit.
He would have been looking at Whincup,aiming to get past.

All happens in a split second.....

Pickles2

9th October 2016, 07:24 PM

Red Bull have lodged a protest.
Pickles.

ramblingboy42

9th October 2016, 07:28 PM

I hope the decision is not reversed.

The stewards made their decision, I mean , really , Whincup caused the incident.....it was preventable .....he could have made a better move later.....he had the speed and the time.

I'm sure Tander hit Whincup before he hit the Volvo.

Ean Austral

9th October 2016, 07:31 PM

What a darn shame that happened , I reckon the finish would have been even better had they all had to see if they had the fuel to finish.

I am no expert but whincup would have not made that pass 10/10 times , but he tried to do the right thing and we will never know how things would have panned out.

judging by the reaction of pit straight plenty think the right decision was made.

Cheers Ean

rick130

9th October 2016, 08:27 PM

and drivers with no brand loyalty 👎

Sorry but I've never gotten this.

You go where the best drive is, the manufacturers have no driver loyalty, it's just marketing to the manufacturer.

Outback 1

9th October 2016, 09:18 PM

Sorry but I've never gotten this.

You go where the best drive is, the manufacturers have no driver loyalty, it's just marketing to the manufacturer.
Back in the early years drivers were passionate about what they drove and even privateers could enter but nowadays like all sports it's all about the money

Pickles2

9th October 2016, 09:41 PM

Back in the early years drivers were passionate about what they drove and even privateers could enter but nowadays like all sports it's all about the money
A "Privateer", just won this race.
Pickles.

Tombie

9th October 2016, 10:57 PM

And Whinge-cup will still be considered the golden boy...

Can't stand the *****....

rangieman

10th October 2016, 05:42 AM

And Whinge-cup will still be considered the golden boy...

Can't stand the *****....

Yep i`ve never warmed to him either so that`s x2;)

1950landy

10th October 2016, 07:31 AM

Outback 1

10th October 2016, 09:31 AM

A "Privateer", just won this race.
Pickles.
In another sterilized clone car with a motza of sponsorship dollars. ......
Ps is this his only race for the year, because in the past a privateer could just put his car in at bathurst without running a team for the season 😛

Pickles2

10th October 2016, 10:01 AM

You have to have an "REC" (license) to run the car, and you have to run the car in every race,...if you do not rock up, you cop a sizeable financial penalty.
You may think they are "clone cars", & it's true that they do have to run with a set of rules, but you may be quite surprised, that "underneath the skin", even cars of the same brand may be quite different in the way in which they can be "engineered" /built. And that is why you do not see real close ups of the mechanicals on TV,....because all teams do different stuff, which they do not wish to disclose to other competitors.
I was looking for an HRT Car 2 win, and they drove a good, tough, race, until.....
Pickles

DazzaTD5

10th October 2016, 10:03 AM

Well thats bloody impressive.....

A true sign of a good petrol/piston head.. watching Bathurst since its been broadcasting!!!!

While I cant claim that one as I'm simply not that old, I have been watching it since I was 12 (1982) in all the glory of the HDT, Peter Brock and the Holden Commodore....

So yes, yesterday was just a total classic Bathurst, with a jaw dropping leader change on the last 13 laps

Regards
Daz

scarry

10th October 2016, 12:47 PM

In another sterilized clone car with a motza of sponsorship dollars. ......
Ps is this his only race for the year, because in the past a privateer could just put his car in at bathurst without running a team for the season 😛

That car was built by Red Bull Australia.

Outback 1

10th October 2016, 01:17 PM

That car was built by Red Bull Australia.
My point exactly to the v8 supercar specifications the era i refer to they were built by ford. Holden.chrysler.etc etc and then modified to race some competitors actually drove them to bathurst raced them and then drove them home 😛😨😨

Outback 1

10th October 2016, 01:20 PM

vnx205

10th October 2016, 01:49 PM

I had been watching since the late 60s the days of the mini gt and gts cripes they even had corollas and mazdas

In that case you probably remember the days when one of the big questions about the race was, "How long before the wheels fall off the Studebakers?" :)

One of the few times I have watched the whole race was when the Celica carried the world's first in-car-camera.

Outback 1

10th October 2016, 01:52 PM

In that case you probably remember the days when one of the big questions about the race was, "How long before the wheels fall off the Studebakers?" :)

One of the few times I have watched the whole race was when the Celica carried the world's first in-car-camera.
No I'm not that old that I would remember Studebaker at bathurst but like you I do remember the first racecams 😆

Not_An_Abba_Fan

10th October 2016, 02:15 PM

Wingecup should have been given a drive through not just a 15sec penalty , if it had been an other team it would have been a drive though. :mad: Other teams cops drive throughs for lesser incidents .
Also Allbull were lucky they didn't get a dive through for Van Gibergen's incident in the pits . :confused:
As for the race I should have worked in the S1 instead of watching the most boring Bathurst I have ever watched , then come in to watch the last hour , would have been more productive .

I don't agree. I don't think Whincup did anything wrong at all, he made a fair pass, McLaughlin actually made contact with him as he turned in, Whincup was already 2/3 past him at that stage. Then Whincup slowed to allow McLaughlin back where he was but Tander was in the back of him. When McLaughlin came back on he had to make sure he was clear but took Tander out. How the hell can that be Whincups fault? We will wait until the outcome of the protest hearing I suppose.

Ean Austral

10th October 2016, 02:29 PM

I don't agree. I don't think Whincup did anything wrong at all, he made a fair pass, McLaughlin actually made contact with him as he turned in, Whincup was already 2/3 past him at that stage. Then Whincup slowed to allow McLaughlin back where he was but Tander was in the back of him. When McLaughlin came back on he had to make sure he was clear but took Tander out. How the hell can that be Whincups fault? We will wait until the outcome of the protest hearing I suppose.

If it was as you say, why was Whincup penalised by the officials.? McLaughlin had the race line , whincup was wrong by trying to pass and that why whincup tried to redress, if he didn't think he was wrong he would have continued at full speed.

That's how it was whincup's fault and by his action he knew it as well.

Cheers Ean

vnx205

10th October 2016, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Outback 1
I had been watching since the late 60s the days of the mini gt and gts cripes they even had corollas and mazdas

No I'm not that old that I would remember Studebaker at bathurst but like you I do remember the first racecams 😆

You didn't miss the Studebakers by much then. They raced in 1964.

They also had a tendency to run out of brakes. Not something you want to happen at Mt Panorama. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Armstrong_500

https://nmrm.com.au/displays/visiting-cars/38-museum/displays/cars/229-studebaker.html

pop058

10th October 2016, 05:45 PM

In that case you probably remember the days when one of the big questions about the race was, "How long before the wheels fall off the Studebakers?" :)

One of the few times I have watched the whole race was when the Celica carried the world's first in-car-camera.

It is sad that motor racing lost the racecam pioneer, Peter Williamson (Celica driver) earlier this year.

Pickles2

10th October 2016, 06:08 PM

It is sad that motor racing lost the racecam pioneer, Peter Williamson (Celica driver) earlier this year.
I remember when they tried to open the boot of Peter's Toyota with an axe.
Pickles.

vnx205

10th October 2016, 06:26 PM

I remember when they tried to open the boot of Peter's Toyota with an axe.
Pickles.
Rumour has it that as he was laying into the boot with the axe, one of the crew turned up with the key and he sent him away because the TV cameras were already filming the action. The story may be apocryphal . :)

I didn't know that he had passed away.

pop058

10th October 2016, 06:28 PM

His little Celica was quite a rocket, but I don't recall the Supra ever doing that well.

Chops

10th October 2016, 10:18 PM

I had been watching since the late 60s the days of the mini gt and gts cripes they even had corollas and mazdas

And that's how the racing should have stayed,,, a mix of "all types and models of cars",,, cars that we could then go and buy on Monday. :D
Give me the Historical racing any day.

pop058

10th October 2016, 10:46 PM

And that's how the racing should have stayed,,, a mix of "all types and models of cars",,, cars that we could then go and buy on Monday. :D
Give me the Historical racing any day.

They still have Production Car events, Bathurst 12 hr, etc.

carlschmid2002

11th October 2016, 06:58 AM

And that's how the racing should have stayed,,, a mix of "all types and models of cars",,, cars that we could then go and buy on Monday. :D
Give me the Historical racing any day.

I love the sound of a V8, but, I would have loved to have seen how the Turbo Falcons would have competed with the V8s over the distance. You can really wind up the wick on them, obviously reliability would suffer. They can suck the juice to.

In my opinion I would have liked the cars to have stayed as close to street legal as possible. I reckon this would have been better for the Aussie car industry. "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday"

Pickles2

11th October 2016, 07:19 AM

I love the sound of a V8, but, I would have loved to have seen how the Turbo Falcons would have competed with the V8s over the distance. You can really wind up the wick on them, obviously reliability would suffer. They can suck the juice to.

In my opinion I would have liked the cars to have stayed as close to street legal as possible. I reckon this would have been better for the Aussie car industry. "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday"
Well, in the near future, you will be happy, because racing will not be confined to V8s.
Part of 888's new deal with Holden is to develop a V6 race engine, and I believe Nissan are also looking at a V6 based on some GTR engineering. Prodrive & Penske are looking at the possibility of running a Mustang, & there is hope of a new manufacturer being involved.
Watch out for further developments!!...Pickles.

Not_An_Abba_Fan

11th October 2016, 11:21 AM

If it was as you say, why was Whincup penalised by the officials.? McLaughlin had the race line , whincup was wrong by trying to pass and that why whincup tried to redress, if he didn't think he was wrong he would have continued at full speed.

That's how it was whincup's fault and by his action he knew it as well.

Cheers Ean

Interpretation of the rules. A lot of passing happened on that corner without incident and a few touches as well but the cars stayed on the track. When contact is made like that, you redress. Whincup was trying to redress when Tander got into the back of him, Whincup had nowhere to go. McLaughlin then came back onto the track and took Tander out. I think Tander has some blame in that incident as well.

Looking at the replay, Whincup was almost half a car length past McLaughlin when McLaughlin cut back in and hit him.

Look at the last lap when Van Gisbergen tried to get up the inside of Davison on Forest Elbow. Almost pushed him off there as he was nudging the back corner.

Reading about it, if a penalty needed to be given, it should have been 10 championship points, not 15 seconds.

Disco Muppet

11th October 2016, 11:23 AM

3 years in a row Whincup has shown his arrogance.
About time he gets what he deserves.

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Ean Austral

11th October 2016, 01:30 PM

Interpretation of the rules. A lot of passing happened on that corner without incident and a few touches as well but the cars stayed on the track. When contact is made like that, you redress. Whincup was trying to redress when Tander got into the back of him, Whincup had nowhere to go. McLaughlin then came back onto the track and took Tander out. I think Tander has some blame in that incident as well.

Looking at the replay, Whincup was almost half a car length past McLaughlin when McLaughlin cut back in and hit him.

Look at the last lap when Van Gisbergen tried to get up the inside of Davison on Forest Elbow. Almost pushed him off there as he was nudging the back corner.

Reading about it, if a penalty needed to be given, it should have been 10 championship points, not 15 seconds.

I disagree , look at the replay from front on, Whincup locks up the rear passenger side wheel and slides into McLaughlin , Tander is off on the race line, Whincup got it wrong, locks up and hits McLaughlin forcing him off. That was what caused the chain reaction , whincup knew it and tried to make amends.
Every other pass that happened that day no one tried to redress , they waited for the stewards to say so then redressed- ie Kelly when he locked up on the start straight .

Whincup knew straight away he stuffed up , otherwise he would have powered on .

He got what he deserved , some would say he got off lightly.

Cheers Ean

DazzaTD5

11th October 2016, 03:10 PM

rangieman

11th October 2016, 04:05 PM

3 years in a row Whincup has shown his arrogance.
About time he gets what he deserves.

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Too Right young fella x2:thumbsup:

1950landy

11th October 2016, 04:28 PM

When you redress you do not do it when it is safe to do so , if zWingcup had waited unto
Ill it was safe Tander would not have been into the back of him& could have stayed behind Wingcup & there would have been a good chance the Volvo would not have hit Tander.
Wingcup was sliding when he went into the side of the Volvo so was not in controĺ.

1950landy

12th October 2016, 07:41 AM

pop058

12th October 2016, 08:10 AM

Was just reading on Fox Sports Whincup was instructed to not pass the Volvo & just keep following but he chose to not follow Redbull orders again. He was also instructed to redress as soon as he knocked the Volvo off the track. .
There was a in car video with all the Redbull & Whincup conversation .

3 years in a row Whincup has shown his arrogance.
About time he gets what he deserves.

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Too Right young fella x2:thumbsup:

X 3

Pickles2

12th October 2016, 08:40 AM

Regardless of how McLaughlin ended up off the track, once you are off you dont have right of way, so rather than back off the pace and come back on the track 2 positions down, he ended coming back on the track with less control and ended up into Tander.

That split second choice of being a hot head and less professional cost him a car, a race and no doubt lost some good will with Tander.

McLaughlin knew this after the fact and apologised to Tander/team.
You wont see Whincup walking down to another team with an apology.

and the total champions of the day!!:

Will Davison and Jonathan Webb, the win couldnt have gone to a better team!!

Regards
Daz
Actually Whincup did visit the other garages. I don't know what He said, or whether it was accepted,...but He did go......whilst I admire JW & think He's an absolutely brilliant driver, I was barracking for Car 2 / Garth Tander,.....who had an excellent chance of a win, before the drama.
Pickles.

Not_An_Abba_Fan

13th October 2016, 02:51 PM

I don't know, the video is a bit inconclusive, but it looks like Whincup did slide the rear out coming into the corner but he didn't actually slide into McLaughlin, McLaughlin turned into him. The car wasn't sliding when he got hit. I still believe the move was fair and McLaughlin actually hit Whincup.

Disco Muppet

13th October 2016, 04:31 PM

Then why'd his team tell him not to do it? ;)

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Not_An_Abba_Fan

13th October 2016, 06:47 PM

To conserve fuel.

Disco Muppet

13th October 2016, 06:52 PM

Yeah...
How'd that work out for him in the past?
:D

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scarry

13th October 2016, 07:27 PM

Yeah...
How'd that work out for him in the past?
:D

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It will be interesting to see how he goes next year.

Cant see how RD can be happy about the last three yrs,apart from the Lowndes win.

1950landy

14th October 2016, 01:51 PM

All Bull has been given a 24hr time extension to appeal. :mad:

1950landy

14th October 2016, 03:18 PM

Just read on news Red Bull has lost its appeal .:banana:

scarry

14th October 2016, 07:36 PM

Just read on news Red Bull has lost its appeal .:banana:

Someone is telling porkies,it is set for the18th,late this arvo,after the below happened this morning.

http://docs.cams.com.au/Corporate/Media%20Documents/Reasons%20for%20Interim%20Determination%20-%2014%20October%202016.pdf

Disco Muppet

14th October 2016, 09:19 PM

I don't know about that, it's all over the news...

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scarry

15th October 2016, 06:48 AM

I don't know about that, it's all over the news...

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Hmm,it is all a bit confusing....:confused:

To many legalities for me to digest;)

Appeal date set | Supercars (http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/appeal-date-set/)

1950landy

15th October 2016, 02:55 PM

Someone is telling porkies,it is set for the18th,late this arvo,after the below happened this morning.

http://docs.cams.com.au/Corporate/Media%20Documents/Reasons%20for%20Interim%20Determination%20-%2014%20October%202016.pdf

:wasntme:
Just reporting what I read on Fox Sports on Friday afternoon. :confused:

Pickles2

15th October 2016, 03:58 PM

Red Bull wanted to widen their evidence search,...this has been disallowed.
The Appeal will proceed.
I don't think there'll be any monumental surprises or changes to anything etc,...the victory will be safe with Tekno.
Pickles.

Tombie

15th October 2016, 04:02 PM

But really. WGAF..... [emoji6]

Whinecup is a technically capable driver but a crap team Player and team players win races....

Debacle

16th October 2016, 12:08 AM

Was just reading on another forum which has the radio transmissions between JW and his engineer. His engineer told him the plan was to just hang on to the back of Maclaughlin, don't pass him, just use his slipstream thereby conserving fuel.

Another year he should have listened to his engineer but hasn't.

Does he have the mental endurance for these long races ?

pop058

16th October 2016, 11:32 AM