Bendix Stromberg BXV-2 Carby

[Dark61]

Does anyone have the FB/EK HOLDENSTROMBERG CARRBURETTION ENTHUSIASTS GUIDE that they could send me please ? Ahead of putting a kit through my carby ,I thought it may be a good idea to brush up on a few things. The SCRIBD website wants my credit card details + I have to upload a document in exchange ?! Happy to pay - just not with my credit card + I have nothing to upload!
cheers,
D

[mick88]

Dark, what do you need to know, anything specific?
I have a couple of Holden workshop manuals that have Stromberg carb sections in them, however they for later vehicles than the EK. I can scan the carby sections and send them to you if you wish.


Cheers, Mick.

[Dark61]

Thanks Mick - nothing specific just a general heads up - in the SCRIBD doc there was a section taking you through putting a kit through it. Since I've not done it before , I thought it might be useful to have it to one side. I'm not a great fan of reading off the screen - I like to have a paper version. I was happy to buy the thing as a one off but it appears you have to subscribe etc and I don't want to do that. Hold off on the scanning - I'll have another think.
cheers,
D

[mick88]

Have you purchased the kit.
The kits I have got in the past have a mud map with them.
Also check the top of the carby for warping with a straight edge.
If it is warped clean it up on a sheet of wet n dry on a piece of glass.




Cheers, Mick.

[Dark61]

Yep got the kit and there's a very basic diagram with it which I'll have to scan in and enlarge as I can't read half of it. When you say the top of the carby - as far as I can see the carby splits up into 4 parts. Which part has the top that might be warped? Or - should you check all the mating surfaces?
Cheers,
D

[mick88]

Does the carby you have look like this?
If so it is the top section held on by six screws.
The air cleaner attaches to it and it is the top of the float chamber.


Cheers, Mick.

[Dark61]

That's the one. Understood. Thanks
Cheers,

D

[Lionelgee]

G'day Dark,

I just found this site about tuning the Stromberg. It might be of some interest.

Accessed November 8, 2016 from Stromberg BXUV illustrated (http://tuning.mbs.id.au/Carburettors/Stromberg/BXUV.htm)

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Dark61]

Thanks Lionel - just having that diagram with the numbered description is an improvement on what I had before.

Cheers,
D

[Lionelgee]

G'day All.

I went online for a YouTube visit and typed in Holden Stromberg Carb. My search led me to this site Hj Hz Holden Torana GMH GMC Carby Carburetor Replacement. The I saw another part that my Holden engine did not come with - splash plate to direct fuel leaks from the carburettor away from the hot manifolds. Damn

Looks Like I am off to the local sheet metal supplier and have to break out some tools.

The video also showed where some of the pipes went - I am obviously missing that corrugated wide diameter pipe that fits off the bottom of the air cleaner. Stuffed if I know where it then connects up to.

I bought a proper carbon canister and the video shows where it connects to - another bonus.

There is an early Holden car show here in Bundaberg this Saturday - I will be keeping a sharp look out - who knows I might find the missing part there. I will get this engine sorted out with all of its component parts in their right place one day!

How come the Workshop manuals show sod all of fully complete motors? They always seem to strip parts off before taking the photograph to get a more clear shot. For example, remove the air cleaner and all the pipes connected to it before showing the photograph of how you take the carburettor off. A photograph of what it looks like when the bonnet is first lifted and any hands touch anything would be damn handy!

Kind Regards
Lionel

[QRS40]

Im assuming you want a pic on a Holden motor as opposed to LR motor.
A 'bonnet up' pick is no good as its hidden by the air filter [tonguewink]

[PhilipA]

5 minutes Google relates to FB/EK
Carburettor Guide | Throttle | Carburetor (https://www.scribd.com/doc/68315221/Carburettor-Guide)
Regards Philip A

[Lionelgee]

5 minutes Google relates to FB/EK
Carburettor Guide | Throttle | Carburetor (https://www.scribd.com/doc/68315221/Carburettor-Guide)
Regards Philip A

Hello Phillip - got it read it and stuff is missing from it.

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Im assuming you want a pic on a Holden motor as opposed to LR motor.
A 'bonnet up' pick is no good as its hidden by the air filter [tonguewink]

Hello QRS40,

Thank for the photograph. Mine is a bit later 1977 different air filter and unfortunately a lot more anti pollution guff.

There is an Early Holden car show here tomorrow - fingers crossed there may be an unmolested HX of HZ or a Torana.

Kind Regards
Lionel

[PhilipA]

Hello Phillip - got it read it and stuff is missing from it.

That would have to be the most comprehensive document I have ever seen on a car component.
Bear in mind that these are about the simplest carby ever fitted to a car.
What is missing?
Regards Philip A

[Lionelgee]

That would have to be the most comprehensive document I have ever seen on a car component.
Bear in mind that these are about the simplest carby ever fitted to a car.
What is missing?
Regards Philip A

Hello Phillip,

Yes it is a great document one of the best available - no qualms about that at all. I paid Scribid so I could download it and it is the first carburettor book that I go to look stuff up.

I had to find from other sources about two to three later 202 red motor carburettors Stromberg single barrel . I found the answers elsewhere and added them on another AULRO thread. I am not sure how reliable the sources I found are though?

Okay - had another look and there is an Addendum which has the missing ones

Caburettor that were not previously listed in the FB/EK Guide - however included in the Addendum were: Accessed 5th of May 2017, from FB/EK Holden Stromberg Carburettion Enthusiasts Guide Addendum 1 - Documents (http://documents.tips/documents/fbek-holden-stromberg-carburettion-enthusiasts-guide-addendum-1.html)

23-3049 BXUV-3 2375066 Bedford 300ci six cylinder petrol engines (1971).
23-3051 BXV-2 2375068 Holden HQ and LC and LJ Torana 173ci six cylinder engines with automatic transmissions (1971-1973).
23-3052 BXV-2 2375069 Holden LJ GTR Torana 3300cc six cylinder “S” engines (1972-1973) and Holden HQ 202ci six cylinder engines
with manual transmissions (1971-1973).
23-3092 BXUV-3 2375153 Holden HJ and LH and LX Torana 202ci six cylinder engines with manual transmissions (1975-1976).


Kind Regards
Lionel

[pk.hoarder]

Lionel,
Not sure if I have followed this thread right, but I just had the carby on my 186 reconditioned by a guy here in Adelaide (SA Carbys) who seems to know the Holdens well. He took one look at my carb and said it was an HJ one, HJ water heated manifold too. So, not a 186 carb, either 173 or 202, but seems to work well. The photo earlier in this thread shows a top cover vent that predates mine (and maybe yours) as mine has an angled-down tube where a rubber hose would go in place of the nut thing in the photo. Anyway - I was told - the 1st iteration of emission control fed unburnt petrol vapour from that vent into the air cleaner. Not long after that, they introduced the carbon canister filter and the tube went there. My car still has the early HR/HK plain air cleaner with no connections for tubes at all, and the top cover vent was just open to atmosphere. After the rebuild, that vent was blocked off with a plastic cap and the car had vapour lock problems when warm. I took the cap off and its been ok since.
Having the carb rebuilt by a specialist was a good thing for me. I had put a kit through it a few years ago but with poor results. This time, the surfaces were all flattened before reassembly, new throttle bush fitted (stable idle speed near impossible if this is worn as main butterfly never sits in the same place twice) and copper gaskets on jets were correctly installed (I messed that up apparently, something about seating and forming a cold weld on tightening?)
Also, my carb has 2 small fittings for vacc on the barrel, one above the main butterfly and one below. I had the distributor connected to the wrong one ( small tube fits either). My car only needs one tube, not sure if the other one is HJ emission control or maybe for an auto trans. Blocked off now anyway.

Hope some of that helps somehow...
Paul

[Lionelgee]

Lionel,
Not sure if I have followed this thread right, but I just had the carby on my 186 reconditioned by a guy here in Adelaide (SA Carbys) who seems to know the Holdens well. He took one look at my carb and said it was an HJ one, HJ water heated manifold too. So, not a 186 carb, either 173 or 202, but seems to work well. The photo earlier in this thread shows a top cover vent that predates mine (and maybe yours) as mine has an angled-down tube where a rubber hose would go in place of the nut thing in the photo. Anyway - I was told - the 1st iteration of emission control fed unburnt petrol vapour from that vent into the air cleaner. Not long after that, they introduced the carbon canister filter and the tube went there. My car still has the early HR/HK plain air cleaner with no connections for tubes at all, and the top cover vent was just open to atmosphere. After the rebuild, that vent was blocked off with a plastic cap and the car had vapour lock problems when warm. I took the cap off and its been ok since.
Having the carb rebuilt by a specialist was a good thing for me. I had put a kit through it a few years ago but with poor results. This time, the surfaces were all flattened before reassembly, new throttle bush fitted (stable idle speed near impossible if this is worn as main butterfly never sits in the same place twice) and copper gaskets on jets were correctly installed (I messed that up apparently, something about seating and forming a cold weld on tightening?)
Also, my carb has 2 small fittings for vacc on the barrel, one above the main butterfly and one below. I had the distributor connected to the wrong one ( small tube fits either). My car only needs one tube, not sure if the other one is HJ emission control or maybe for an auto trans. Blocked off now anyway.

Hope some of that helps somehow...
Paul

G'day Paul,

Thanks for the message Paul.

I wanted to avoid any carburettor hassles so I bought a re manufactured carburettor from an interstate mob of "professionals". I also supplied them with the engine number. When the carburettor arrived I noticed that top section was warped - so I sent it back. Then the exchange one was not for my late 1977 engine- which puts it at either late HX or early HZ.

The one I was sent is from a HJ. Turns out that this only has the pipe coming off the side of the carburettor that leads to the charcoal filter. Then a line going back to the fuel tank. There is an elbow off the side of the air-cleaner that goes into the top of the rocker cover close to oil filler cap. Then another pipe that goes off the inlet manifold and connects into the rocker cover with a PCV value near the fire wall. The pipe that goes from the inlet manifold to the PCV has a "T" piece that runs from the passenger side connector of the charcoal canister - then that is that anti-pollution wise for the HJ.

The care came with a carburettor off a 161 engine and the air cleaner too. I also got lucky when I dropped into a country town's wreckers and picked up an unmarked air cleaner - turns out it is off a HJ. Since then I have bought a proper Holden charcoal canister. It is has been the only wrecker I have ever been to where they charge admission fees for people going to browse the site!

Today I had a yarn to the local Early Holden Club and a couple of them have directed me to a place that tolerate older cars and has a realistic attitude for minor modifications when they do road worthy inspections. If I fit all the HJ stuff I should be clear for being registered ! Plus I need to get the Holden engine Blue Plated as being a modified engine installation. It was done professionally so it has the alloy engine mounts and looks like a proper job.

I went to an Early Holden car club show last week and there was a totally stock standard HJ sedan on show which luckily had the bonnet up. I traced all the lines and had a very close look at what went where. Then I came home and started looking for an index at the back of my brand new Max Ellery Holden 1971-1978 Automobile Repair Manual.... guess what was there?

The last two pages has a series of schematic diagrams for the emissions :whistling:

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Designosaur]

Hi Lionel, I have not been around this site for a little while so haven't seen this thread earlier, but I have a pretty original HZ 202 manual. I think it has the original carb, I have not changed it in the last ten years anyway. It has the charcoal canister hooked up. You may have this sorted but, if you still need any pics of the carb and hoses let me know and I can take some on the weekend.

Cheers
Bernie

[Lionelgee]

Hi Lionel, I have not been around this site for a little while so haven't seen this thread earlier, but I have a pretty original HZ 202 manual. I think it has the original carb, I have not changed it in the last ten years anyway. It has the charcoal canister hooked up. You may have this sorted but, if you still need any pics of the carb and hoses let me know and I can take some on the weekend.

Cheers
Bernie

G'day Bernie,

Thanks for the offer. Does your HZ have a vapour vent - it looks like a sort of funnel shaped plastic thing that clips on to the bottom of the carbon canister. It looks like a pipe has been cut off at the bottom of my vapour vent. Do you know where this pipe goes and what it connects to?

I bought the carbon canister second hand off the internet so I do not have a clue where it goes and I have not seen one fitted to a real vehicle. Apparently I have attached a photograph which I have drawn arrows and text boxes in.

It does not look like it from the photo but the vapour filter clips on as a snug fit at the bottom of the carbon canister.

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Designosaur]

G'day Bernie,

Thanks for the offer. Does your HZ have a vapour vent - it looks like a sort of funnel shaped plastic thing that clips on to the bottom of the carbon canister. It looks like a pipe has been cut off at the bottom of my vapour vent. Do you know where this pipe goes and what it connects to?

I bought the carbon canister second hand off the internet so I do not have a clue where it goes and I have not seen one fitted to a real vehicle. Apparently I have attached a photograph which I have drawn arrows and text boxes in.

It does not look like it from the photo but the vapour filter clips on as a snug fit at the bottom of the carbon canister.

Kind Regards
Lionel

HI Lionel, That just goes through a hole in the inner guard and vents to the road. The fuel tank uses a non venting cap so I imagine that in really hot weather and when people insist on trying to get every last drop in the tank it would be possible to get some fuel to push up the vapour lines ( there is a fuel/vapour separator inline near the tank but it is small). I think that this would be to let fuel drain out of the canister as opposed to vapours which are supposed to be held in the charcoal and drawn into the carby when the engine is running to be burned.

I'll get a pic on Saturday. The lines are marked on mine so you should be able to hook the top ones ok. One of the lines comes from the fuel tank, one from the top of the carb and the one marked 'purge' is connected to the bottom of the carb so it is probably using vacuum to restrict how much vapour is returned to the carb at idle.

Bernie

[Lionelgee]

HI Lionel, That just goes through a hole in the inner guard and vents to the road. The fuel tank uses a non venting cap so I imagine that in really hot weather and when people insist on trying to get every last drop in the tank it would be possible to get some fuel to push up the vapour lines ( there is a fuel/vapour separator inline near the tank but it is small). I think that this would be to let fuel drain out of the canister as opposed to vapours which are supposed to be held in the charcoal and drawn into the carby when the engine is running to be burned.

I'll get a pic on Saturday. The lines are marked on mine so you should be able to hook the top ones ok. One of the lines comes from the fuel tank, one from the top of the carb and the one marked 'purge' is connected to the bottom of the carb so it is probably using vacuum to restrict how much vapour is returned to the carb at idle.

Bernie

G'day Bernie,

Thank you for the offer of photographs and also solving the issue of where the bottom pipe goes off vapour filter. One less mystery.

I am going to be putting a carburettor a step back in time from the HX-HZ which my engine is. I am going to go a complete HJ system. This involves just a line from the tappet cover to the air cleaner; a pipe off the side of the carburettor leading to the carbon canister; a line from the fuel tank to the middle coupling of the canister. Lastly, a pipe from the right side of the canister with a tee off the inlet manifold which then leads to the back of the tappet cover near the firewall that has the PCV valve fitted.

It will be a complete anti pollution system - not the elaborate and from what I have heard is a restrictive system that the HZ had.

It is all going in Land Rover Series III so I am hoping that there may be some lenience during an inspection of a mechanic not knowing what should be fitted where between a Holden and a Land Rover back in the mid 70s. In 1976 period when my Land Rover was made and 1977 when the Holden engine was made - fingers crossed it gets through the rego inspection - when it comes time for it. Got to get it to make vroom vroom noises first!

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Designosaur]

G'day Bernie,

Thank you for the offer of photographs and also solving the issue of where the bottom pipe goes off vapour filter. One less mystery.

I am going to be putting a carburettor a step back in time from the HX-HZ which my engine is. I am going to go a complete HJ system. This involves just a line from the tappet cover to the air cleaner; a pipe off the side of the carburettor leading to the carbon canister; a line from the fuel tank to the middle coupling of the canister. Lastly, a pipe from the right side of the canister with a tee off the inlet manifold which then leads to the back of the tappet cover near the firewall that has the PCV valve fitted.

It will be a complete anti pollution system - not the elaborate and from what I have heard is a restrictive system that the HZ had.

It is all going in Land Rover Series III so I am hoping that there may be some lenience during an inspection of a mechanic not knowing what should be fitted where between a Holden and a Land Rover back in the mid 70s. In 1976 period when my Land Rover was made and 1977 when the Holden engine was made - fingers crossed it gets through the rego inspection - when it comes time for it. Got to get it to make vroom vroom noises first!

Kind Regards
Lionel


Hi Lionel
Some pics for you.

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1 – the canister sits on the inner guard just behind the drivers side headlight
2 – the markings on the cannister
3 – the hose from the 'carb' point of the canister to the top of the carb
4 – vent in the top of the rocker cover, this attaches to the air cleaner housing
5 – pcv valve
6 – hose from the pcv valve to the bottom of the inlet manifold
7 – hose from the 'purge' point of the canister to the bottom of the carby

Cheers
B

[Lionelgee]

Hi Lionel
Some pics for you.

124141124142124143124144124145124146124147

1 – the canister sits on the inner guard just behind the drivers side headlight
2 – the markings on the cannister
3 – the hose from the 'carb' point of the canister to the top of the carb
4 – vent in the top of the rocker cover, this attaches to the air cleaner housing
5 – pcv valve
6 – hose from the pcv valve to the bottom of the inlet manifold
7 – hose from the 'purge' point of the canister to the bottom of the carby

Cheers
B

Hello Bernie,

Thank you for all the photographs. It certainly makes things clearer. Is there any chance of getting a photograph of the air cleaner and pipes being in their proper place as if the engine was ready to start?

This is the one of two photographs or diagram that no one in auto manuals seem to include. The second omission is a photograph that shows where the pipe off the accu-themo AC disk shape on the top of the aircleaner trumpet connects to. Does the pipe I have arrowed go from the circle accu-thermo AC to the fitting on the base of the air cleaner that is positioned just near the air cleaner filter? There are two pipe connections off this part where does the second pipe go as this part has two pipe connections on it.

There is also a mounting for a corrugated foil-like pipe that fits over the circled area in the second photograph. Can you please let me know what this corrugated foil-like pipe actually goes to an connects to? I borrowed the photographs Accessed June 4, 2017 from, Holden Factory Air Cleaner | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Holden-Factory-Air-Cleaner-/132120314498?hash=item1ec2fc0282:g:o7oAAOSwsW9YwNn 8). The last two photographs are taken from my ailing camera - sorry about the picture quality. The photograph shows the switch that sits near the air cleaner filter and the last photographs shows the bottom of the air cleaner base and is meant to show that there are two pipe connections that fit to the "AC" switch.


Sorry about all the questions. - Bernie

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Dark61]

The soap opera which is me putting through a kit on the Stromberg on Darwin has reached a crisis while I rest up waiting on the Royal Hobart finding some space for me.
Does anyone know what these two items are / are for etc - I cannot see anything like it in the carby I am stripping down and I cannot see anything like it on the rather poor diagram supplied with the kit.
Any comments gratefully accepted as usual.
cheers,
D

[Dark61]

Oh - found it in the scribd document it is - q. X2 plastic caps for blocking off vacuum lines (not used in the overhaul of bxov-1 carbs.
Cheers,
D

[Designosaur]

Hello Bernie,

Thank you for all the photographs. It certainly makes things clearer. Is there any chance of getting a photograph of the air cleaner and pipes being in their proper place as if the engine was ready to start?

This is the one of two photographs or diagram that no one in auto manuals seem to include. The second omission is a photograph that shows where the pipe off the accu-themo AC disk shape on the top of the aircleaner trumpet connects to. Does the pipe I have arrowed go from the circle accu-thermo AC to the fitting on the base of the air cleaner that is positioned just near the air cleaner filter? There are two pipe connections off this part where does the second pipe go as this part has two pipe connections on it.

There is also a mounting for a corrugated foil-like pipe that fits over the circled area in the second photograph. Can you please let me know what this corrugated foil-like pipe actually goes to an connects to? I borrowed the photographs Accessed June 4, 2017 from, Holden Factory Air Cleaner | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Holden-Factory-Air-Cleaner-/132120314498?hash=item1ec2fc0282:g:o7oAAOSwsW9YwNn 8). The last two photographs are taken from my ailing camera - sorry about the picture quality. The photograph shows the switch that sits near the air cleaner filter and the last photographs shows the bottom of the air cleaner base and is meant to show that there are two pipe connections that fit to the "AC" switch.


Sorry about all the questions. - Bernie

Kind Regards
Lionel

Hi Lionel, sorry I dont have a foil tube any more, it might have been to something on the exhaust, mine has headers. I am gradually buying the HQ service manuals as I spot them cheap on the bay or swap meets but I dont have the HZ supplement so I havent got anything to look it up.Too many projects so the HZ hasnt had any loving since I stopped daily driving it [bigsad]

B

[Dark61]

Spent an interesting hour or so attempting to work out how you attach the pump link spring clip , could I find anything on the net to show me ?! Nope.

So attempt no. 1 not happy - attempt no. 2 happier but would appreciate a heads up on whether either is correct or should it be done differently.

Secondly , the pump stem spring doesn't close the throttle valve completely. I am assuming (never assume!) this is how it should be as apart from making the spring stronger I cant see how you could adjust this , but would also appreciate another heads up on this one.
All comments gratefully received as always.
cheers,
D

p.s - I think I'm missing the return spring!

[67hardtop]

Attempt 1 wrong...
Attempt 2 correct...gold star[emoji12]

Cheers Rod

[Dark61]

A bit like a jigsaw puzzle - the more i managed to fit on , the more it made sense. All good to go barring some pipework and possibly some kind of spacer as from memory i think the throttle cable bracket fouled the manifold. Hoping im wrong - its so long since i took it off!
cheers,
D

[Dark61]

Whats all this then?!

When I put the kit through the carby I didnt touch the jets as I thought you needed a special tool to extract them. Was recommended these two and so will play with them on an incomplete carby in my collection. Somewhat confused by the instructions on the reverse though. Am I supposed to put it in my ear?!
cheers,
D

[bee utey]

I used to make Stromberg jet tools when I was a lad. Get a 3/8" mild steel bolt, cut off the threaded bit, drill a 1/4" hole or thereabouts into the cut end and put two flats onto it with the FBH. Lose one? Make another. At 55cents each from Mitre 10 bolts didn't break the bank.