New TD6

[Grimace]

Hey Guys, dont know where to start.
I am looking to purchase a TD5 2001-2002 model disco and stuff and at the same time was gonna get a TD5 for my range rover.

Now b4 i start researching I was thinking why go TD5 when i might be able to go TD6. Basically once the current round of mods are done I wanna change the engine, I want fuel economy. A tank of fuel each day during heavy comp work isnt my cup of tea.

An out back challenge would not be my cup of tea with this 3.5 V8.

So basically I know **** all about the TD5 and TD6 engines.
Wat i would liek to have is a comparison of the two, an idea of how hard it would be to fit in my rangie and adapt to my ZF4 Auto transmission. The difference in cost for the engines them selves etc etc.

Power figures for each. No matter wat i choose I have a chip and intercooler mod in mind and even a supercharger piggy back config is an option :wink:
So any advice on how these engine handle small mods and a supercharger aswell as the standard turbo (tweaked).

Cheers
Anthony

p.s. hopefully funds will permit mid 2006, so plenty of time for feedback style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[101RRS]

Given that the TD6 is only fitted to the current body shape Range Rover - I would assume they are as rare as hens teeth and as early RR td6s are still selling for about $90K up, I assume that if you could find one they would cost mega $$$$$$$$$$$$ - I suspect you would have just as much chance in finding a TDV6 out of a D3 as you would a TD6.

Gazzz

[Grimace]

Originally posted by garrycol
Given that the TD6 is only fitted to the current body shape Range Rover - I would assume they are as rare as hens teeth and as early RR td6s are still selling for about $90K up, I assume that if you could find one they would cost mega $$$$$$$$$$$$ - I suspect you would have just as much chance in finding a TDV6 out of a D3 as you would a TD6.

Gazzz

crap aye, thats very rare style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

I was looking at the V8 options (Toyota 1UZfe, i think thats it??) and stuff but I want fuel economy... more than i want power.

[Maggot4x4]

You can pick up complete TD5's for $2500 if you look hard enough

[Reads90]

Originally posted by Grimace
Hey Guys, dont know where to start.
I am looking to purchase a TD5 2001-2002 model disco and stuff and at the same time was gonna get a TD5 for my range rover.

Now b4 i start researching I was thinking why go TD5 when i might be able to go TD6. Basically once the current round of mods are done I wanna change the engine, I want fuel economy. A tank of fuel each day during heavy comp work isnt my cup of tea.

An out back challenge would not be my cup of tea with this 3.5 V8.

So basically I know sh*t all about the TD5 and TD6 engines.
Wat i would liek to have is a comparison of the two, an idea of how hard it would be to fit in my rangie and adapt to my ZF4 Auto transmission. The difference in cost for the engines them selves etc etc.

Power figures for each. No matter wat i choose I have a chip and intercooler mod in mind and even a supercharger piggy back config is an option :wink:
So any advice on how these engine handle small mods and a supercharger aswell as the standard turbo (tweaked).

Cheers
Anthony

p.s. hopefully funds will permit mid 2006, so plenty of time for feedback style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

I would only put a TD5 into a car that had one in it already. Ie you blow one up.
To put a TD5 into a truck with a V8 or someting will be a bloody nightmare, and i really mean night mare
There is so much electrics that it ill take alot of money and arse arch to get it to work.
IBex in the Uk had a customer who gave them a brand new 90 TD5 and wanted it changed into an Ibex. It took them a year to get the TD5 to work in the Ibex Even thought they had all the electrics form the donor car

If you really want a diesel i a Range rover i woud go 200 Tdi or 300 Tdi. will be easer and cheaper to do

[matbor]

There is a guy on this forum that has put a TD5 into a S1 Disco (not sure what it was before), think his user name is 'Seashells'

Matt.

[jase]

without meaning to blow my own trumpet, ok yes I am :wink:

have you thought about the HS2.8 for your RR?
compared to Td5 (both in std trim) HS2.8 is same HP (but HS2.8 is at 400 less RPM) 8)
but HS 2.8 has 277 lbf ft of torque @ 1,400 rpm and TD5 only 221 lbf ft @ 1,950 rpm style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
HS2.8 can be turned up yourself without need for any expensive chips 8)
the crazy poms have been turning them (HS2.8s) up & with bigger intercoolers get 350 ft lbs 8) 8) (& claim 400ft lbs possible 8O but I would think it's too reliable for long term at that)
all this for BRAND new AU$10k inc GST COMPLETE (incs starter, alternator. turbo EVERY thing inc a fan)
Waaaaay cheaper than a TD6 (probably about the same cost as a td5 by time you get ECUs chips ect)
and brand new = better than 2nd hand and No ECU or sensors to stuff up style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

and will bolt straight in anywhere a Tdi will (so with Tdi bell housing) straight onto your ZF style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

jase
Aust HS 2.8 importer :wink:

[LRHybrid100]

Jase, do you do a fitting kit yet to install a HS2.8 into a car that had V8 with ZF Auto???

From what I can see this fitting kit will be the go to complement your engines as most in Aus will have V8 Autos.

The engine mounts for a Tdi can be purchased / made easily - but what about the gearbox bell housing conversion - just thinking out load, P38a with a Brazilian may be the go for anther project style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

LRH

[Grimace]

i dont knoh much about the deisels and the options with landrovers, Ill have to reasearch this HS2.8

Great comments so far and i though being a deisel electrics was gonna be a simple side, seems i thought wrong.

[TuffRR]

Isn't fuel economy kinda self defeating if you have to spend $10,000 to achieve it??? :?

As mentioned above TD6 would be near impossible to source and a td5 is a huge job to get running in a vehicle not designed for it. The wiring loom is huge!!!

The way your car is going, its never going to be doing huge road kms anyway. Pushed hard off-road, my tdi disco chews through the fuel a bit too. Not quite as bad as the 4.4 though, but thats on gas.

Speaking of, why don't you consider just converting to gas??? If you are still doing the rear chop you could mount a decent size tank in the back.

[matbor]

Would you have to get the HS2.8 engineered ?? for that matter any of the engine swaps ?? What sort of cost would you be looking at for this ?

[Ace]

Hi grimace, the TD4, TD5 and TD6 engine were all developed during BMW's ownership, and the engines are to an extent the same apart from each motor receiving one more cylinder than the last, and each time increasing 500ml in displacement. ie, 2L 2.5L and 3L.

i reckon go with the TD5, its cheaper, easier to get and with the performance chip, larger intercooler and a good exhuast will go better than the TD6. Matt

[LRHybrid100]

in NSW, if the vehcile already had a Tdi motor - no engineering needed, just blue slip for change of details, as its under the 15%? increase rule.

but if its from a V8 then new engine mounts - therefore changing the chassis structure then it would need an engineers report.

OR so I have been told, but each engineer you talk to you diff answers - just like RTA!!!

LRH

[LRHybrid100]

Originally posted by Ace
Hi grimace, the TD4, TD5 and TD6 engine were all developed during BMW's ownership,

NOPE

TD5 was pure LR engineering - not sure about the others.

[jase]

no i don't do fitting kit
reason is cause they (fitting kits) are a rip off
all you need is a tdi bellhousing & tdi engine monuts (from a disco) easy to get your own from a wrecker and save money

re engineers certs as someone else mentioned if car was built (factory) with the engine you don't need cert, RR were not delivered to aust with Tdi (UK yes here unfortunatly no)
I spoke to an automotive engineer we use to do our certifications at work (we work on trucks) and he tells me its grey as to if its required, he recomended yes but tells me RTA probably wouldn't ask for it
if I wanted him to do me one it would be a very simple (cheap) cert as it was all bolt in using factory bits
He says more importantly (and no one bothers) if HP / eng capacity goes up a certificate is needed (to all those guys with 3.9s and bigger in 3.5 cars ) :wink:

EPA love diesel conversions and require nothing

engine swaps are not all about economy (or you woudln't do it)
a new diesel is extreamly reliable, these engines are B10 rated for 300,000kms (in english means only 1 in 1000 will need more than std oil change ect servicng for 300,000kms) yeah no more repairs style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
they drive brilliant, even std the low RPM torque means that cruising along without gear change they pull better than V8s
and the increased enconmy helps pay for it + give longer range on whatever size fuel tank you have

Jase

[George130]

I can at least confirm the TD5 will mount up to the ZF box as that's what I have (The box came from a disco). The new 6 speed auto is what I would like. Easy cruising on the freeway in top gear :twisted:

[LRHybrid100]

Originally posted by George130
I can at least confirm the TD5 will mount up to the ZF box as that's what I have (The box came from a disco). The new 6 speed auto is what I would like. Easy cruising on the freeway in top gear :twisted:

ah but will a ZF from a V8 fit a TD5????

[George130]

Originally posted by LRHybrid100+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(LRHybrid100)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-George130
I can at least confirm the TD5 will mount up to the ZF box as that's what I have (The box came from a disco). The new 6 speed auto is what I would like. Easy cruising on the freeway in top gear :twisted:

ah but will a ZF from a V8 fit a TD5????[/b][/quote]

Probaby will fit with the bell housing changed. Doubt you would be lucky enough to swap between the V8 and the TD5.

[LRHybrid100]

yeah - thats the difficulty, finding 300 Tdi Auto bellhousings.

Most wreckers want to sell you the complete unit.

LRH

[Michael2]

I was going to suggest the 2.8, but got beaten to it. That's because I haven't logged on for a few weeks.

Just out of curiosity Jase, what does a 2.8 weigh? I'm thinking about a future application (SIII with 2 leaf parabolic springs on the front).

[jase]

fully dressed (but dry / no oil) weight is 208kg
Jase

[Grizzly_Adams]

ok and now for the next question :-)

What does the 300tdi weigh while - as jase says - fully dressed (but dry / no oil)

Just for comparison :roll:

And then if anyone knows, what's the same deal for the TD5? 8O https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[PhilipA]

Originally posted by Ace
Hi grimace, the TD4, TD5 and TD6 engine were all developed during BMW's ownership, and the engines are to an extent the same apart from each motor receiving one more cylinder than the last, and each time increasing 500ml in displacement. ie, 2L 2.5L and 3L.

i reckon go with the TD5, its cheaper, easier to get and with the performance chip, larger intercooler and a good exhuast will go better than the TD6. Matt
Huh???!!!
AFAIK the TD4 is a BMW 4 cylinder which replaced a Rover 2 litre 4 cylinder in 2001 in the Freelander. It is a Common rail engine and is used in the 3 series.

The TD5 is the first of a new Land Rover family which was designed to be in 4 cylinder and 6 Cylinder but these were "stillborn" due to emissions . they have unit high pressure injectors.

The TD6 as fitted to 2003 Range Rover is a BMW 3litre common rail engine the same as the first model X5. The 2.5 litre version was in the 38A. it is used in 3, 5 and 7 series.
The TD5 has no relationship with TD4 or TD6 and has a completely different injection system so do not think any parts are interchangeable..
regards Philip A

[Ace]

Originally posted by PhilipA+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PhilipA)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Ace
Hi grimace, the TD4, TD5 and TD6 engine were all developed during BMW's ownership, and the engines are to an extent the same apart from each motor receiving one more cylinder than the last, and each time increasing 500ml in displacement. ie, 2L 2.5L and 3L.

i reckon go with the TD5, its cheaper, easier to get and with the performance chip, larger intercooler and a good exhuast will go better than the TD6. Matt
Huh???!!!
AFAIK the TD4 is a BMW 4 cylinder which replaced a Rover 2 litre 4 cylinder in 2001 in the Freelander. It is a Common rail engine and is used in the 3 series.

The TD5 is the first of a new Land Rover family which was designed to be in 4 cylinder and 6 Cylinder but these were "stillborn" due to emissions . they have unit high pressure injectors.

The TD6 as fitted to 2003 Range Rover is a BMW 3litre common rail engine the same as the first model X5. The 2.5 litre version was in the 38A. it is used in 3, 5 and 7 series.
The TD5 has no relationship with TD4 or TD6 and has a completely different injection system so do not think any parts are interchangeable..
regards Philip A[/b][/quote]

I am just saying what an article in Land Rover Enthusiast wrote. Zook showed me the article whilst i was there earlier in the year. It was some major plan on BMW's behalf, to create a series of three engines that went up 500ml in displacement with each additional cylinder from 4-6. Matt

[jase]

a new (as in built now) 300Tdi weighs 205 kg
I imagine our older ones were the same ?
anyone know what a 4.6 V8 weighs in at?