Oh Look FJ55 Deefer

[LandyAndy]

Lookhere, they have crossed a D4 with a FJ55 and a 200 Series and called it Defender.:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool
New Land Rover Defender will be brand's most high-tech car yet | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-land-rover-defender-will-be-brands-most-high-tech-car-yet)
Andrew

[Ean Austral]

Dam that's ugly. Hope it goes better than it looks.

Cheers Ean

[JDNSW]

There is nothing in the article to confirm that is actually a picture of the new Defender - to me that looks like one of the photoshopped mockups that have been doing the rounds! Not even a new one.

John

[Pedro_The_Swift]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/95.jpg

[Dinty]

A plastic fantastic, best hang on on to the classic's as the plastic fantastic won't last the distance LOL cheers Dennis

[Pedro_The_Swift]

It'll just a be a D5 with a different body,,,

[weeds]

It'll just a be a D5 with a different body,,,



Graft the D4 body onto the D5 chassis and change the door handles to push button......

[rar110]

The pic is probably not too far wrong in basic characteristics, vertical back & flat roof. I think the window sills will be lower to give that classic open view.

[DazzaTD5]

What the magazine clowns fail to mention is that picture (or bloody similar) was first done in Overlander magazine somewhere round 1985 - 1987, was based on an article to what they think would be a modern Land Rover 110. Its just another bull**** picture.

I reckon this one is by far closer to being on the money...

Regards
Daz

[JDNSW]

Perhaps a little rude to remind everyone that a Defender is really a Series body bolted on to a slightly beefed up Rangerover chassis? (And then renamed five or six years later!)

So what is different now?

John

[rar110]

Very true. They even carried over the motor and LT95 gearbox.

It's sounds like JLR will do this again by modifying the Range Rover Discovery designed alloy monocoque chassis for the defender.

[DazzaTD5]

Perhaps a little rude to remind everyone that a Defender is really a Series body bolted on to a slightly beefed up Rangerover chassis? (And then renamed five or six years later!)

So what is different now?

John

Yes true enough, based on a series body and based on a Rangie classic chassis, but if they do the same thing and base it on a D4 or similar, its aint going to cut it or compete against a 70/76 series Land Cruiser or for that matter a Hilux. I suppose it depends on how serious they are at wanting a chunk of that work 4x4 vehicle market.

Regards
Daz

[Beery]

Yes true enough, based on a series body and based on a Rangie classic chassis, but if they do the same thing and base it on a D4 or similar, its aint going to cut it or compete against a 70/76 series Land Cruiser or for that matter a Hilux. I suppose it depends on how serious they are at wanting a chunk of that work 4x4 vehicle market.

Regards
Daz

But the D4 chassis/body is the strongest that LR have ever built.
It wouldn't compete with a 70 series, it would hand its own @#se to it.

The structure could be D4 based, but the interior and everything else could be very different.

[JDNSW]

Yes true enough, based on a series body and based on a Rangie classic chassis, but if they do the same thing and base it on a D4 or similar, its aint going to cut it or compete against a 70/76 series Land Cruiser or for that matter a Hilux. I suppose it depends on how serious they are at wanting a chunk of that work 4x4 vehicle market.

Regards
Daz

In exactly what way would it not compete? Certainly it would need similar modifications to those made in 1983-4 to the Rangerover chassis. Similar, that is, in terms of design criteria. But while I am not familiar in detail with the Discovery aluminium chassis, I am not aware of any inherent issues. If it is a concern that it is not made of steel, remember that this was also a concern with Landrover bodies (according to the Jeep salesmen) in the 1940s and 50s!

Major components of utility Landrovers have always been designed initially for on-road cars with the Series gearbox and diffs for example being 1930s Rover designs, and the Series 1 engines (except diesel) and sixes and V8s also Rover and Buick designs from the 40s, 50s and 60s. The only exception was the engine which first appeared as a diesel in the Series 1 and as diesel and petrol in the Series 2/2a/3. But this engine is exceptional in that it remains the only engine ever designed anywhere from a clean sheet specifically for a light 4x4.

John

[DazzaTD5]

IMHO.....

If they base it on their current Land Rover products too much it will just be another "brilliant offroad 4x4" that is plagued with "issues" and "quirks"

If they base it on lets face it, pretty technically LOW vehicles such as the 70 series Land Cruiser and the Hilux the Defender will be a winner. Apart from the engines in both Toyota vehicles, they are basically not much more advanced than a horse and cart. (like the last of the Defender).

Look at all the technically "brilliant" 4x4s out there, much of the Land Rover range, Land Cruiser 200 series and the Lexus badged version, Jeep Grand Cherokee etc etc.... look at all the end **** they have with these vehicles, look at all the endless repairs I (and other repairers) do "just out of warranty" with these vehicles, pretty well every brand that has a hi-tech 4x4 has endless reliability **** with them, the Ford Everest being the most recent one that comes to mind, the first two that got sold here in Perth, both refused to restart after the ad-blue had run out, been re-filled and the vehicles re-set, "oh it was a software issue".

I'm not a big Toyota fan, but lets be honest they have been doing it right for a very very long time...... right being... they sell big numbers of vehicles that are overall reliable, long lasting, designed and built to a pretty good standard.

Regards
Daz

[DeanoH]

But the D4 chassis/body is the strongest that LR have ever built.
It wouldn't compete with a 70 series, it would hand its own @#se to it.



:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:


Deano :)

[stewie110]

Perhaps a little rude to remind everyone that a Defender is really a Series body bolted on to a slightly beefed up Rangerover chassis? (And then renamed five or six years later!)

So what is different now?

John

Ego?

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[JDNSW]

If you remember back in the early eighties, the 110 was decried on the basis that coils were quite unsuited to a utility vehicle, and as for full time four wheel drive......

John

[cripesamighty]

Oldie but still a goodie - Disco 3: The Big Lift.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3LIWXCuUUc


I sent this to someone the other day after they told me that "everyone knows the Disco 3/4 platform is a weak piece of crap and a Toyota 200 Series chassis is much stronger". I'm still waiting on a reply.....

[Tomo]

Perhaps a little rude to remind everyone that a Defender is really a Series body bolted on to a slightly beefed up Rangerover chassis? (And then renamed five or six years later!)

So what is different now?

John

A very good point which gives us all hope....
Has Land Rover confirmed plans to build a ute or cab chassis version?