No service history.....Immaculate everything

[In A Landy Down Under]

Hi All,

Im looking at this tomorrow:
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/_/OAG-AD-14025854

It unfortunately has no service history or receipts at all with it. It does however from the pictures look like its in immaculate condition.

Presuming the undercarriage and rest of the mechanics look like the pictures, what sort of price do you think this should be going for with no service history and such high K's?

Also, If I had the dealer take it to a local LR specialist to inspect it, do you think they would be able to give an honest evaluation on the condition and tell me if all the major repairs/maintenance had been done/kept on top of?? Or would it be a 50/50 on buying a nugget or a gem?

[1nando]

Hi All,

Im looking at this tomorrow:
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/_/OAG-AD-14025854

It unfortunately has no service history or receipts at all with it. It does however from the pictures look like its in immaculate condition.

Presuming the undercarriage and rest of the mechanics look like the pictures, what sort of price do you think this should be going for with no service history and such high K's?

Also, If I had the dealer take it to a local LR specialist to inspect it, do you think they would be able to give an honest evaluation on the condition and tell me if all the major repairs/maintenance had been done/kept on top of?? Or would it be a 50/50 on buying a nugget or a gem?

It seems like its in fairly good condition judging from the photos. However considering the kms almost to good to be true.

A LR without a service history is like diagnosing a sex worker without a blood test.......you dont know what the f....k is going on.

Also they mentioned its never seen dirt yet judging by the modifications its clearly been set up for some camping/touring. I dare say this vehicle has been touched up and heavily detailed to extract top dollar for a velhice which is currently comanding a decent selling price. The sweetest lemons are always the brightest. Just food for thought as it be a perfectly good car, id be hesitant is all.


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[Tombie]

Get it looked at and if it passes make an offer.

For the record I sold Lara (a fully decked out Tombraider) for less than that!

[cripesamighty]

As 1Nando and Tombie have said, this car has a swathe of off-road accessories fitted and I expect they got used despite it being now nicely polished up. I would definitely, definitely be getting this checked out by someone who knows TD5 Defenders intimately, as without a service history you are flying blind. That is way at the top end of what I would be paying too, especially without knowing how it has been treated/maintained.

[In A Landy Down Under]

A LR without a service history is like diagnosing a sex worker without a blood test.......you dont know what the f....k is going on.

Also they mentioned its never seen dirt yet judging by the modifications its clearly been set up for some camping/touring. I dare say this vehicle has been touched up and heavily detailed to extract top dollar for a velhice which is currently comanding a decent selling price.

[bigrolf] HAHA! Brilliant.....I guess the only upside to this comparison is you get to have a good sniff around first without paying!


Get it looked at and if it passes make an offer.

For the record I sold Lara (a fully decked out Tombraider) for less than that!

Yes, I think the price is high-ish....I presume its mainly dealer mark up, I'd be haggling for sure! What would be a more realistic price for it.....$25k?

[1nando]

Yes, I think the price is high-ish....I presume its mainly dealer mark up, I'd be haggling for sure! What would be a more realistic price for it.....$25k?[/QUOTE]


Its about to be 14 years old. Id say 25-28 would be more realistic.

In saying that if you are considering a mid $30k vehicle then is there any reason why you are not considering a tdci puma?

Yes i know a tdci is more expensive, probably mid 40s and you'd have to look hard to land a bargain but it isnt 14 years old. 14 years for a defender is a decent amount of time, unseen corrosion and wear and tear mechanical issues are not worth 33k in my opinion.




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[cripesamighty]

There is a 2008 Defender currently going for $28.5K in Perth, so yes, I would definitely haggle!

[101RRS]

$33K for a 2003 Defender with over 200,000km - sorry but that is way way way way way way too much.

For example, the one listed below is the same year, it has less km and is $13K cheaper.

[In A Landy Down Under]

Its about to be 14 years old. Id say 25-28 would be more realistic.

In saying that if you are considering a mid $30k vehicle then is there any reason why you are not considering a tdci puma?

Yes i know a tdci is more expensive, probably mid 40s and you'd have to look hard to land a bargain but it isnt 14 years old. 14 years for a defender is a decent amount of time, unseen corrosion and wear and tear mechanical issues are not worth 33k in my opinion.


Im really trying not to spend over $30, $25 would be ideal.....especially knowing I would have to pay for some repairs at some point over the next couple of years.

[REDTD5110]

I paid less than $10 000 for my 2000 model with 270 000kms. I wouldn't say the one in the ad has "such high kms", it's barely over 200 000

[Pickles2]

Big dollars, IMHO.
However, if you're really interested, I'd be asking the dealer to put you in contact with the previous owner, and if that wasn't possible, then I'd walk away.
Pickles.

[timax]

Well i dont see the "swathe" of off-road accessories like some. An awning perhaps?? Mud terrains are bought by many for their looks and the bullbar , roofrack and towbar are fitted to so many 4x4s that never see dirt. I also have a CB and driving lights on mine just for my Syd-Melb trips i do. Trust me when i say i see heaps of new tricked up defenders with winches and lift kits etc around Sydney's eastern suburbs and i would guess 99 percent never see dirt. Jeeps are even more tricked up.
Regarding the no service history. Well mine dosnt either. Yes i have receipts for a transmission rebuild and some parts but thats it. That is the problem of doing most things yourself. But i could take someone around the car and show them what has been done. Thats the one good thing about buying private and not a dealer. Also regarding kms. Those k's are nothing if its been driven from Sydney to their Snowy mountains Chalet several times a year but then HUGE if its just been a weekend rock crawler. Just a look over will tell the story.
If its a looked after car the price seems fine to me and would provide many more years of service. Buying a rough one and getting it back to good condition would cost far more.

[frantic]

I actually meant to put this here not in the other thread in gc by the OP.

I guess I do have a few accessories, but that's the fun:D

In response to your question "is it worth $33k?", I guess in this market, maybe it is?
But then again if I had $33k id probably get an ADF ex 110 and add things I wanted from there.
Is my defender worth $33k?
2002 9 seat(4 inward facing in load area) wagon dark blue extreme, 193,000kms.
Front Lucky 8 axles and cv's /flanges with Ashcroft ATB.
Rear(2002 last one with it) Salisbury axle(stronger than 2003 on rover p38 rear) with hy-tuff axles/flanges and a Detroit locker.
Gwyn Lewis challenge suspension kit and cranked front and rear arms.
2in lift springs.
dual batteries and Winch
Mulgo rock sliders and ex-box under mid cubby box holding ecu.
2 ECU's one flashed one stock and a nanocom
Rhino aluminum roof tray 2.1 long on heavy duty racks that stick out both sides.
-25mm 16x8 black dynamics with 315/75 new toyo's as well as original alloys with 5, 255/85 bighorns, 2 80% others 25% tread. Alloy wheel 30mm spacers as well if you want to use the alloys. With the gwyn lewis kit the travel of your axles is extended which results in the rear tyre rubbing on the spring mount at full flex, but it give bloody good articulation! Tyres don't rub with either the spacers fitted or the -25mm wheels.
Flexi Flares to cover the 35's.
Spotties and an led bar wiring, with mounts that's got to be fitted soon!
New ECU harness after oil in it last year.


Stainless exhaust from turbo to rear muffler.
EGR bypass
Silicone hoses on turbo etc.
Snow vent cover,
Bonnet and wing and rear quarter aluminium cheq plate
Rear corner protectors
Aftermarket wheel carrier.
When I first got it had chassis rustproofed so none there as far as I can see.
that's all I can remember
Its been owned by me for last 6 years, always serviced at my mechanic and there is a history he can show. I have some of the receipts floating around the car but was intended as a lifer I never really kept them, but he can quote each service date and oil used etc.


The bad.
The flares need tightening as it was a rush job fitting them. Still have originals in a box.
The paint needs some touching up around vents and on the front side panel its peeled the gloss top layer off a small patch. that's an after Chrissy job.
Usual bush pinstripes from being offroad but no panel impact damage.


Maybe mines worth more ROFL!
But with an offer of $33 it would be tempting, then I would buy a adf 110 to modify all over again!

[In A Landy Down Under]

I actually meant to put this here not in the other thread in gc by the OP.


Yes sorry to double up! I was asking other questions on the original post so thought I would move it to the fender subforum.

[In A Landy Down Under]

After all the comments on this thread and discussing with a couple of my mates I think I'm going to give this one a miss and just keep my eyes peeled for another one that takes my eye.

Its a shame they dont have a history for it as its one of the best kept exteriors and interiors ive seen (even if that is just down to a good detail!) for its age and K's.

I don't think the dealer will have room to go down to 25k....which is where it would need to be to make it worth a punt.

[rangieman]

After all the comments on this thread and discussing with a couple of my mates I think I'm going to give this one a miss and just keep my eyes peeled for another one that takes my eye.

Its a shame they dont have a history for it as its one of the best kept exteriors and interiors ive seen (even if that is just down to a good detail!) for its age and K's.

I don't think the dealer will have room to go down to 25k....which is where it would need to be to make it worth a punt.

Its a car yard they will have room to move :cool:
You would be supprised what they payed some poor sucker or at the auctions for that ;)
It is only a offer they either accept or decline ;)
And also being a dealer that car would have been detailed to a inch of it`s life so id say it has been off road and the dealer is bluffing;)

[101RRS]

They would have paid the wholesale value of the car - accessories count for little. However when selling retail all the extras will be added - when you sell accessories wont count for much.

[MLD]

my 2 bob's worth and it's general advice.

1) If this is your first Land Rover the nervousness you feel about a checkered history is natural. By the time you get to your 3rd LR you accept that everything is fixable and a history is important but less important than your thoughts on inspection. Owning and fixing LR's gives you a keen sense of smell for a time bomb.

2) Everything is fixable assumes you pay the right price for what you are buying. Paying too much and then bearing the risk and expense of fixing everything is damn expensive.

3) Everything is fixable on a TD5 assumes it has a healthy head. A head replacement on a TD5 can buy you a small island in Fiji.

4) Item 3 leads to what someone said before, get someone with sound knowledge of the TD5 to inspect it.

I sold my MY99 TD5 110 for 6k with a suspect head, the prices are nuts now.

[In A Landy Down Under]

Thanks for your advice, I will definitely be getting it put through a specialist for a 'look over' before I buy one I think its a smart move.

The car in question sold today, hopefully for the new owner it wasn't a ticking bomb!

[frantic]

After all the comments on this thread and discussing with a couple of my mates I think I'm going to give this one a miss and just keep my eyes peeled for another one that takes my eye.

Its a shame they dont have a history for it as its one of the best kept exteriors and interiors ive seen (even if that is just down to a good detail!) for its age and K's.

I don't think the dealer will have room to go down to 25k....which is where it would need to be to make it worth a punt.

Just wondering what you want to do with/ to your future defender?
Touring and/or tough off-road, 35's or just stock? Etc

Besides the oil in the loom the only other major things I've had to do where replace a power steering box with a new one from the uk (as a reco here cost $600!and a new one was 650 including freight ) and the fuel pressure block was weeping from between block and firewall so got a new one from all4x4 Newcastle. Rest of time it has been normal servicing with an exhaust gasket and fan belt last year.
Personally I think the 02 model was the best of the td5's as it has a flashable ecu and the Salisbury rear axle which is stronger than the Rover p38 rear.

Just as a matter of interest, wonder if you could ask the dealer how much roughly it went for and let us know?

[In A Landy Down Under]

Just wondering what you want to do with/ to your future defender?
Touring and/or tough off-road, 35's or just stock? Etc

Besides the oil in the loom the only other major things I've had to do where replace a power steering box with a new one from the uk (as a reco here cost $600!and a new one was 650 including freight ) and the fuel pressure block was weeping from between block and firewall so got a new one from all4x4 Newcastle. Rest of time it has been normal servicing with an exhaust gasket and fan belt last year.
Personally I think the 02 model was the best of the td5's as it has a flashable ecu and the Salisbury rear axle which is stronger than the Rover p38 rear.

Just as a matter of interest, wonder if you could ask the dealer how much roughly it went for and let us know?

Called the dealer this morning and he said they got full price for it, no inspection, someone just did a bank transfer from Nth QLD.

I've only really got into off-roading the last year or two but I love it.....I doubt I will be climbing any crazy hills but I'm keen to push a bit harder on some inland tracks, and ive had my eye on Carnarvon gorge for a while. But, the majority of my time will be beach driving like Moreton/Straddie/Fraser/DIP etc. I guess I don't 'need' many mods but they look the been knees the more they have :)

[ATH]

Interesting thread this as I'll be putting mine up for sale in about 3 weeks. Not much in the way of a written service history as I do all oil/filter changes myself.
No way will I pay someone 600 odd bucks (if not more) to do simple jobs like that or renew brake pads etc.
But all stuff requiring some mechanical expertise like new output shaft then I get an expert to do it and willingly pay his price.
What value do you put on ALL oils/filters being changed at half the intervals LR recommend?
Do you worry that a vehicle has done a few more than "average" kays? I've just bought a D4 and the stealer would have loved to get his hands on the 110 at Red book prices then stuffed a few thousand on top for his mark up. :D
Of course the normal performance would have been gone through.... the pursing of the lips, the head shaking, the negative comments etc. before the insult of a book price.
I've see it too many times to bother with them now when buying/selling.
AlanH.

[In A Landy Down Under]

Interesting thread this as I'll be putting mine up for sale in about 3 weeks. Not much in the way of a written service history as I do all oil/filter changes myself.
No way will I pay someone 600 odd bucks (if not more) to do simple jobs like that or renew brake pads etc.
But all stuff requiring some mechanical expertise like new output shaft then I get an expert to do it and willingly pay his price.
What value do you put on ALL oils/filters being changed at half the intervals LR recommend?
Do you worry that a vehicle has done a few more than "average" kays? I've just bought a D4 and the stealer would have loved to get his hands on the 110 at Red book prices then stuffed a few thousand on top for his mark up. :D
Of course the normal performance would have been gone through.... the pursing of the lips, the head shaking, the negative comments etc. before the insult of a book price.
I've see it too many times to bother with them now when buying/selling.
AlanH.

I guess it depends how much you know about cars and if you work on them yourself. I know services are expensive-ish when they only seem to be an oil change but someone like myself who is far from a car expert I rely on the mechanic to keep me informed of problems developing or upcoming parts changing etc.

Obviously doing your oil/filters etc more frequently is great for the car but as a potential buyer not having any record of this isn't great. But, you have SOME history and every little helps. I would say keep all your receipts for the work you do and keep a log of it because that would go a long way if the mechanic ones are missing.

Regarding high K's, the idea for me now is to buy a car that will give me a good 10-15 years so the lower the better given im planning on keeping it for a long time......but if I only planned on keeping the car for 3-4yrs then high K's would bother me much less. But again, after 250k's I'd want to find one with a good record of maintenance and repair receipts etc

[CraigE]

Also look at what you can insure it for. You will find you will be lucky to insure it for $15k even loaded with accessories. I have a 2000 model so little difference between the 2 and can only get it insured for around $14 at absolute best with around $10k worth of accessories.
:(

[landy]

Also look at what you can insure it for. You will find you will be lucky to insure it for $15k even loaded with accessories. I have a 2000 model so little difference between the 2 and can only get it insured for around $14 at absolute best with around $10k worth of accessories.
:(
I've had mine insured with Club 4x4 for nearly a year. It's insured for replacement value and extra cover on accessories. And the premiums are fair I think compared to the market. when I rang you speak to a real live person who seem to know his 4x4s and the product. Also, I am covered anywhere in Australia.
However, I haven't had to make a claim yet (touch wood) so I guess time will tell.

[frantic]

Also look at what you can insure it for. You will find you will be lucky to insure it for $15k even loaded with accessories. I have a 2000 model so little difference between the 2 and can only get it insured for around $14 at absolute best with around $10k worth of accessories.
:(

Mines a 2002 and insured agreed for about 27k, but with values rising I might ask to raise that to 30 , I'm with shannons and they have been good with reasonable premiums.

[Pickles2]

Called the dealer this morning and he said they got full price for it, no inspection, someone just did a bank transfer from Nth QLD.

I've only really got into off-roading the last year or two but I love it.....I doubt I will be climbing any crazy hills but I'm keen to push a bit harder on some inland tracks, and ive had my eye on Carnarvon gorge for a while. But, the majority of my time will be beach driving like Moreton/Straddie/Fraser/DIP etc. I guess I don't 'need' many mods but they look the been knees the more they have :)
So, this Dealer says some-one bought this vehicle, with no service history, no history in fact of any kind, so the buyer only knows what the dealer tells him over the phone, and lets go of his hard earned, with the vehicle being sight unseen, by anyone? I would NEVER do that.
Pickles.

[Mick_Marsh]

So, this Dealer says some-one bought this vehicle, with no service history, no history in fact of any kind, so the buyer only knows what the dealer tells him over the phone, and lets go of his hard earned, with the vehicle being sight unseen, by anyone? I would NEVER do that.
Pickles.
I did. Several times.
The three 101s, the Perentie, the 300SE. I'm very happy.

[In A Landy Down Under]

I've had mine insured with Club 4x4 for nearly a year. It's insured for replacement value and extra cover on accessories. And the premiums are fair I think compared to the market. when I rang you speak to a real live person who seem to know his 4x4s and the product. Also, I am covered anywhere in Australia.
However, I haven't had to make a claim yet (touch wood) so I guess time will tell.

Yeah I have found that my normal insurance company Bingle (who are very good by the way!) only cover to a certain value.....but looking at Club 4x4 its a little more $$ but you get a lot more included even on top of the agreed value and accessories.....like actual off road coverage for one!

[rangieman]

I did. Several times.
The three 101s, the Perentie, the 300SE. I'm very happy.

Maybe you should drive them more often:p