3.0 D4 re maps

[Aaron40]

What is the status of unlock the ECU for remapping with the 3.0 engine. The Roo system re map has some big numbers. There was talk of members having re maps available soon. Is there re maps for the stock 150 engines up to around the SE 190 numbers?

[eddy]

DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - Discovery 4 3.0L Remap Tuning with control via OBD (http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic151991.html)I am waiting on the remappable ecu from BAS,hopefully to be released soon.

[Aaron40]

my15-16 not included as of yet

[Tombie]

MY15-16 have a different security protocol and can be directly programmed via OBDII access.

[LandyAndy]

Take them skateboard wheels off and put the OEM size back on and you wont need a re map:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
Andrew

[Aaron40]

OEM are gone Andrew and those skateboard wheels float like a butterfly...

[LRD414]

MY15-16 have a different security protocol and can be directly programmed via OBDII access.

Really, so only MY14 is a challenge via OBDII? That seems strange.

Scott

[Tombie]

Really, so only MY14 is a challenge via OBDII? That seems strange.

Scott



11-14 3.0L has a different ECU and security protocol..

15/16 changed ECU and are easily upgraded..

Like the TDCi the 11-14 models need a security patch done internally to unlock those ECUs and allow future changes through OBDII.

[Aaron40]

who is doing re mapes for 15-16 Tombie?

[Tombie]

Bell Auto and the usual suspects.

[kenl]

Is it only me that thinks we already get a great deal of power of these 3.0 l diesel engines and pushing them further will just reduce the life span and therefore the reliability of the engine?

I for one am very happy with the performance of my SD3.0 as it is!

[Tombie]

Agree. Taking the TDV6 up to SDV6 isn't a bad thing though..

And a slightly better map of the SDV6 makes it even nicer to drive..

I certainly wouldn't be going for anything like the Kangaroo tune if I wanted longevity.

[LRD414]

Agree. Taking the TDV6 up to SDV6 isn't a bad thing though...

That's what I'd like to do one day maybe. I hope BAS gets there with it. Strange that LR would revert to an ECU that's easier to access but that doesn't help me.

Scott

[Tombie]

He's close now. Should have a solution very shortly.

[Baytown]

Hi fellas.
Any news yet re 3 litre Disco 4 flashes from Pete at BAS?
I’d like to do my 2013 HSE.
Thanks for any info.

Ken

[DiscoJeffster]

Hi fellas.
Any news yet re 3 litre Disco 4 flashes from Pete at BAS?
I’d like to do my 2013 HSE.
Thanks for any info.

Ken

I’d assume it’s not coming and find another vendor

[justinc]

Hi fellas.
Any news yet re 3 litre Disco 4 flashes from Pete at BAS?
I’d like to do my 2013 HSE.
Thanks for any info.

Ken

Hi mate, personally, i wouldn't be remapping these if towing big loads.

[Baytown]

Youre advice is gold to me Justin.
Ill steer clear of the reflash then.
Thanks mate!


Hi mate, personally, i wouldn't be remapping these if towing big loads.

[justinc]

Youre advice is gold to me Justin.
Ill steer clear of the reflash then.
Thanks mate!

😯. Mostly I don't want to see you having to pull manifolds and replace broken studs etc etc, and worse still maybe even a turbo failure. The EGT is stratospheric with these... it's stopped me from remapping mine as yet... I feel I have quite enough Nm and Kw on tap already!
😊

[DiscoJeffster]

I agree Justin. It’s more than enough.

[justinc]

I agree Justin. It’s more than enough.

Every time I tow the van i am amazed... just awesome.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Yea,, but Justin YOUR awesome is more awesome than DiscoJeffster's awesome.... [thumbsupbig]

in fact you have nearly the best LR awesome ever!!![bigrolf]

[BrianElloy]

MY15-16 have a different security protocol and can be directly programmed via OBDII access.

Awesome!

[DiscoJeffster]

Yea,, but Justin YOUR awesome is more awesome than DiscoJeffster's awesome.... [thumbsupbig]

in fact you have nearly the best LR awesome ever!!![bigrolf]

Oi. My awesome is bloody amazing.

[LRD414]

Hi mate, personally, i wouldn't be remapping these if towing big loads.
Justin, what's wrong with a remap that brings a TDV6 tune up to an SDV6 tune? I would have thought this is a reasonably safe option in the 3.0L.

Scott

[DiscoJeffster]

Justin, what's wrong with a remap that brings a TDV6 tune up to an SDV6 tune? I would have thought this is a reasonably safe option in the 3.0L.

Scott

Not mixing up early TDV6 which is SDV6 spec which is what I think he means.

[twr7cx]

Justin, what's wrong with a remap that brings a TDV6 tune up to an SDV6 tune? I would have thought this is a reasonably safe option in the 3.0L.

From his earlier message:


😯. Mostly I don't want to see you having to pull manifolds and replace broken studs etc etc, and worse still maybe even a turbo failure. The EGT is stratospheric with these...

[LRD414]

My question relates to the late model designation for the 3.0L, which is the topic of this thread (refer first post).
The same engine has two tunes, known as TDV6 and SDV6 for the later models.
As I understand it all hardware is the same just a different tune, hence my question.

I agree with Justin regarding remaps going well above factory tunes; inherent risk.
But if a tune is ok from factory should be ok via a remap.

Scott

[Eric SDV6SE]

My SDV6SE MY11 remapped by Roo Systems to their "Towing and Economy" tune. Much better throttle response, no "hesitation" when pulling out into traffic as per factory tune and much improved bottom end torque.

Have run this map for about 20,000km now, no issues. Oil service every 10k. I'm pretty happy with it so far.

Supposedly lower EGT's, I will try to get a screen shot from the code reader next time I remember and post.

[justinc]

My SDV6SE MY11 remapped by Roo Systems to their "Towing and Economy" tune. Much better throttle response, no "hesitation" when pulling out into traffic as per factory tune and much improved bottom end torque.

Have run this map for about 20,000km now, no issues. Oil service every 10k. I'm pretty happy with it so far.

Supposedly lower EGT's, I will try to get a screen shot from the code reader next time I remember and post.

I've had 2 Roo tuned 3.0 ones with distorted turbo flanges, broken studs and leaks everywhere. So much for factory EGT monitoring....

[Eric SDV6SE]

I've had 2 Roo tuned 3.0 ones with distorted turbo flanges, broken studs and leaks everywhere. So much for factory EGT monitoring....

Wow, and as a direct result of an ECU tune ?

I doubt any recourse to Roo Systems? I wonder what tune was installed in those that failed and the condition of the engine / turbo(s) pre-ecu tune.

[justinc]

Wow, and as a direct result of an ECU tune ?

I doubt any recourse to Roo Systems? I wonder what tune was installed in those that failed and the condition of the engine / turbo(s) pre-ecu tune.
Yup. At least that is my theory, considering I work on literally dozens of these, THE ONLY ONES with issues are remapped by certain Companies to achieve big gains. Maybe their lesser tunes are 'safe, however I'm certainly against the high output ones . The customer apparently got in touch with them, no joy at all from the tuners, who basically had no idea why a manifold warped, studs stretched and broken, and a halved lifespan turbocharger occurred... they kept on about 'factory protections are kept... bollocks say I. Evidence speaks for itself...

[Bewitched]

Yup. At least that is my theory, considering I work on literally dozens of these, THE ONLY ONES with issues are remapped by certain Companies to achieve big gains. Maybe their lesser tunes are 'safe, however I'm certainly against the high output ones . The customer apparently got in touch with them, no joy at all from the tuners, who basically had no idea why a manifold warped, studs stretched and broken, and a halved lifespan turbocharger occurred... they kept on about 'factory protections are kept... bollocks say I. Evidence speaks for itself...

Thanks for the info here. I was reading in one of the other threads about the EGR delete, which on my RRS (2011) requires some form of remapping to ensure the error codes don't arise, and to immediately deactivate the valves as soon as the start up diagnostics have worked out everything is running as it should at that second. Clever I thought.

So I contacted Roo Systems who suggested I do the remap at the same time. Always being a little wary of the remap concept (and subsequent potential very big bills to repair my vehicle) I have been searching in the Disco thread for more ideas.

If I am looking to disable the EGR (no downside with that as I see it - harp seals and polar bears aside) are there suggested providers in Brisvegas that will do this (either/both) that might be suitable as alternatives to Roo Systems? I am new to the Land Rover brand (well returning after half a life time) so am keen to learn who and where is trusted by forum members here, as that is usually a pretty good guide in my experience of such forums.

[justinc]

Thanks for the info here. I was reading in one of the other threads about the EGR delete, which on my RRS (2011) requires some form of remapping to ensure the error codes don't arise, and to immediately deactivate the valves as soon as the start up diagnostics have worked out everything is running as it should at that second. Clever I thought.

So I contacted Roo Systems who suggested I do the remap at the same time. Always being a little wary of the remap concept (and subsequent potential very big bills to repair my vehicle) I have been searching in the Disco thread for more ideas.

If I am looking to disable the EGR (no downside with that as I see it - harp seals and polar bears aside) are there suggested providers in Brisvegas that will do this (either/both) that might be suitable as alternatives to Roo Systems? I am new to the Land Rover brand (well returning after half a life time) so am keen to learn who and where is trusted by forum members here, as that is usually a pretty good guide in my experience of such forums.

I would be checking with Autocode in WA who can organise EGR emulators. No remap necessary, although he DOES offer one which from all reports is a good safe tune.

[BrianElloy]

My question relates to the late model designation for the 3.0L, which is the topic of this thread (refer first post).
The same engine has two tunes, known as TDV6 and SDV6 for the later models.
As I understand it all hardware is the same just a different tune, hence my question.

I agree with Justin regarding remaps going well above factory tunes; inherent risk.
But if a tune is ok from factory should be ok via a remap.

Scott

Scott - just heard back from Pete at BAS re-maps and the 2016’s are not yet added to the OBDii flash tuning list [emoji22]

[twr7cx]

If I am looking to disable the EGR (no downside with that as I see it - harp seals and polar bears aside) are there suggested providers in Brisvegas that will do this (either/both) that might be suitable as alternatives to Roo Systems? I am new to the Land Rover brand (well returning after half a life time) so am keen to learn who and where is trusted by forum members here, as that is usually a pretty good guide in my experience of such forums.

Maybe try Pete at Bell Auto Services. They offer the remaps seperate from EGR disabling. E.g. RRS 2.7L EGR Deactivation Patch File (NOT ADVISED FOR ROAD USE) – BAS Remaps, Powering the Landrover tuning world! (https://bellautoservices.co.uk/store/rrs-2-7l-egr-deactivation-patch-file-not-advised-for-road-use/)

[Bewitched]

I would be checking with Autocode in WA who can organise EGR emulators. No remap necessary, although he DOES offer one which from all reports is a good safe tune.

Thanks Justin shall do

[Bewitched]

Maybe try Pete at Bell Auto Services. They offer the remaps seperate from EGR disabling. E.g. RRS 2.7L EGR Deactivation Patch File (NOT ADVISED FOR ROAD USE) – BAS Remaps, Powering the Landrover tuning world! (https://bellautoservices.co.uk/store/rrs-2-7l-egr-deactivation-patch-file-not-advised-for-road-use/)

I looked at their website and saw listings for the TDv8 and the 2.7v6, but nothing for the 3.0Lv6. I see a reference to BAS has emerged a bit on the forum, so can't hurt to enquire.

[Eric SDV6SE]

Thanks for the info here. I was reading in one of the other threads about the EGR delete, which on my RRS (2011) requires some form of remapping to ensure the error codes don't arise, and to immediately deactivate the valves as soon as the start up diagnostics have worked out everything is running as it should at that second. Clever I thought.

So I contacted Roo Systems who suggested I do the remap at the same time. Always being a little wary of the remap concept (and subsequent potential very big bills to repair my vehicle) I have been searching in the Disco thread for more ideas.

If I am looking to disable the EGR (no downside with that as I see it - harp seals and polar bears aside) are there suggested providers in Brisvegas that will do this (either/both) that might be suitable as alternatives to Roo Systems? I am new to the Land Rover brand (well returning after half a life time) so am keen to learn who and where is trusted by forum members here, as that is usually a pretty good guide in my experience of such forums.

I've got the Roo Systems towing and Economy tune in my D4 for the last 20,000k odd, nice and safe, no issues, no lag at take off and much better torque spread. Speak to them and others, I did a lot of research before settling on Roo, I'm very happy with my tune. Would love to get the 409SS 3" exhaust upgrade too....

[Bewitched]

I've got the Roo Systems towing and Economy tune in my D4 for the last 20,000k odd, nice and safe, no issues, no lag at take off and much better torque spread. Speak to them and others, I did a lot of research before settling on Roo, I'm very happy with my tune. Would love to get the 409SS 3" exhaust upgrade too....

Cheers Eric. I contacted Autocode as Justin suggested. Pricing etc.. seems quite good. Only downside for me is the need to take out the ECU and send it away to WA. One of those times I wished I lived over in the west...

I will need to work out some plan of attack (if I go that way) to do without the car for a week or so while the ECU is fettled with. Alternative of Roo Systems is much more convenient as they are in Brissy, so easy peasy that one.

Thanks for the feedback on your D4 with the Roo Systems tune - good to know, and probably what I may end up going with (if I do anything except EGR) considering it all started with looking at getting rid of the EGR setup. [biggrin]

But, hey, who can resist the temptation of more power and torque....?

With the exhaust upgrade, do you need to re-tune? And does it create much more noise? A mate of mine went the 3 inch exhaust upgrade on his 100 series TD, and it now sounds like some boy racer in an old VN Commodore with a hole in the exhaust. Terrible! I'd hate to do that to the refined magic carpet ride that is my RRS.

[Eric SDV6SE]

For my tune the local WA Roo agent did the tune, they did it in one day and were talking to the Roo tuners in Brisbane the whole time.
Road test before and after.

I would not be happy sending the ECU away. You should be able to get your selected tuner to do it locally.

Re the exhaust, I don't believe you need a retune, the ECU adapts the fuelling within its new parameters to account for the different mass air flows.
Apparently a properly designed 3" system provides much better air flow lower EGT's.

I haven't heard a D4 with it fitted, but would definitely do so before deciding.

Just my thoughts.

[scarry]

MR auto did the tune and EGR delete on my 2.7.

Maybe give them a call about the 3.0l?

I have a feeling it may be a BAS tune.

Couple of mates have had standard Roo tunes on LC 79's,with exhaust upgrade as well,no worries at all.

On the roo tune vids,the LC seem to have lower EGR's,whether this is true and represents normal type driving,i don't know.

The vids show flat to the floor type of driving,up the Gateway bridge here in Brisbane.

JC,may know,thoughts ??

[Bewitched]

For my tune the local WA Roo agent did the tune, they did it in one day and were talking to the Roo tuners in Brisbane the whole time.
Road test before and after.

I would not be happy sending the ECU away. You should be able to get your selected tuner to do it locally.

Re the exhaust, I don't believe you need a retune, the ECU adapts the fuelling within its new parameters to account for the different mass air flows.
Apparently a properly designed 3" system provides much better air flow lower EGT's.

I haven't heard a D4 with it fitted, but would definitely do so before deciding.

Just my thoughts.

Sound advice and sure to be taken. I, too, am not so happy about the idea of separating the vehicle from its ECU via Australia Post... I think a local provider will be the only option I would consider.


MR auto did the tune and EGR delete on my 2.7.

Maybe give them a call about the 3.0l?

I have a feeling it may be a BAS tune.

Couple of mates have had standard Roo tunes on LC 79's,with exhaust upgrade as well,no worries at all.

On the roo tune vids,the LC seem to have lower EGR's,whether this is true and represents normal type driving,i don't know.

The vids show flat to the floor type of driving,up the Gateway bridge here in Brisbane.

JC,may know,thoughts ??

I contacted BAS and they also advise the ECU needs to be on the bench to be remapped. Seems it needs to be pulled apart and altered internally to be remapped. It's becoming a bit less attractive to me as a result of that. I'm not sure of the EGR delete also requires the ECU to be cracked open or happens via the OBD port. That's the next line of enquiry for me as the information is becoming mixed as to whether it's needed fro both or only the remap for more power. If the EGR delete requires the ECU to be pulled apart, I guess it makes sense to remap at the same time (with a safe tune), but EGR in isolation, if not as invasive, might be preferred course of action.

Thanks for the replies guys

[twr7cx]

A mate of mine went the 3 inch exhaust upgrade on his 100 series TD, and it now sounds like some boy racer in an old VN Commodore with a hole in the exhaust. Terrible!

It’s not as simple as just the size - one 3” setup is not an inidication of others. Muffler selection will drastically effect that - size, type, brand, material, etc.

[Bewitched]

It’s not as simple as just the size - one 3” setup is not an inidication of others. Muffler selection will drastically effect that - size, type, brand, material, etc.

I appreciate this, but the ones I have seen (and listened to) seem to err on the side of "free flowing" (the purpose of going larger diameter in the first case pretty much) which combined with the typical diesel grumble have generally been pretty bad. I'd be disappointed in that outcome for my RRS.

[justinc]

The Roo package this fellow had on his D4, included their big bore complete stainless exhaust.
Sounded good, (except for the leaks) definitely not intrusive.

[Bewitched]

The Roo package this fellow had on his D4, included their big bore complete stainless exhaust.
Sounded good, (except for the leaks) definitely not intrusive.

Thanks Justin,

Anyone in Brisbane got this set up on their vehicle (3L TTD) I could have a listen to (with leaks fixed... [tonguewink])?