Comparison of Tyre selection for 19" and 20" rim

[DIS4]

Hi, I am in dilemma to get my Tyre ready for offroad trip since I had 3 cooper zeon ltz damaged in last 18 months. They all had side wall damage rather than puncture, I assume they are passage rated. I know GOE 18" RIM is the best option for D4, monetary is a matter, but recent delay from other members concerned me, also my EAS inflation still hasn't arrived since order placed Mid Nov last year. Few conversations and SMS did not get prompt response.

Then, I should decide if I can get LT construction of AT Tyre for either 19" or 20". I haven't seen any yet according to my research, Good Year Wrangler 255/55R19 did not receive good review at product review.com.au.

Any thoughts?

Cheers,

[rar110]

20" tyres seem to have more options. Look at 265/60/20 mostly 111 load rating but a manageable size. 275/55/20 & 285/50/20 are bigger but are generally stronger with 116 load rating.

[LRD414]

Maxxis Bravo 980 is an LT option in 19" some good reviews on here but still early days.

Scott

[Disco-tastic]

I have heard many people are happy with the goodyear wrangler duratrac in 19". Its not LT construction but seems to perform pretty well.

EDIT: it may have been hankook dynapro

[LandyAndy]

Anybody noticed what size tyre the new V6 Amarok runs????
They have a 19" rim,lets hope they come with a bigger tyre than a D4.It may open open the market for tyre sizes a bit.
FINGERS CROSSED.
Andrew

[DIS4]

I have heard many people are happy with the goodyear wrangler duratrac in 19". Its not LT construction but seems to perform pretty well.

EDIT: it may have been hankook dynapro

Must be Hankook Dynapro as Wrangler duratrac doesn't have 19".

[Disco-tastic]

Must be Hankook Dynapro as Wrangler duratrac doesn't have 19".

Yep, you're right.

Here is the thread I was thinking of:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/202409-hankook-dynapro-atm.html

[Tombie]

Must be Hankook Dynapro as Wrangler duratrac doesn't have 19".



Duratrac for 19s. Yes they do.. they're on many D4s..

Basil135 has them...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/01/284.jpg

[Tombie]

See here. Since 2014 [emoji41]
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/191431-goodyear-duratrac-255-55-19-a-2.html#post2260748

[RHS58]

I have had 19" Hankook Dynapros for 15000km now and am a happy chappy so far.

[Tombie]

Hankook- Solid A/T
Duratrac- Aggressive A/T

Work out what you primarily drive and choose accordingly [emoji56]

[Bytemrk]

I've run both the Hankook Dynapro At/m and the Duratrac in 255/55/19 in my D4.

In 2015 I did a few thousand km around outback SA with a few from here - on the Hankooks.

Later this year i'll be doing something similar with the Duratracs - so I guess then I can give you the fairest comparison.

Both are good tyres, I'm a long way off needing replacements, but I suspect next time it will be more Duratracs.

[Tombie]

I've run both the Hankook Dynapro At/m and the Duratrac in 255/55/19 in my D4.



In 2015 in 2015 I did a few thousand km around outback SA with a few from here - on the Hankooks.



Later this year i'll be doing something similar with the Duratracs - so I guess then I can give you the fairest comparison.



Both are good tyres, I'm a long way off needing replacements, but I suspect next time it will be more Duratracs.



They make these now Mark [emoji41]
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/01/280.jpg

[Bytemrk]

Thanks Mike..... just when I think I've got it all worked out....:angel: :p

[Basil135]

I have heard many people are happy with the goodyear wrangler duratrac in 19". Its not LT construction but seems to perform pretty well.

EDIT: it may have been hankook dynapro

I have the Duratrac, and love them.

But, good luck finding a set. :angel:

[Babs]

I know you mentioned time frame & budget RE: the GOE rims and I myself months ago was determined not to go with them & wanted to stick with a 19" option, though that never worked out & ended up costing me a lot more in the long run.

Aesthetic aside I could not be more happier with my decision to go GOE. I'm running 265/65/18 Cooper ST Maxx. The ride was totally transformed and so much more smoother now, I still can't believe how much of a difference it actually made.

Albeit if you would like to save some money I have 5 of the Maxxis Bravo LT's.
I had the problem of sidewall damage with them, I'm convinced it's the tyre size and not the brand that causes this problem. I had replacement under warranty so out of the 5 tyres two are brand spankers that haven't touched the road and the other three have approximately done 15k klm, looking at them they look the same as the brand new ones.

If you're interested in making me an offer PM me.
They are still on the 19" D4 rims, you can make me an offer for rims & tyres or tyres only. In saying that I would probably prefer to keep rims & just sell tyres as it takes up less room in shed to store rims without tyres. But money talks and I don't think I will ever use the rims ever again, I would just store them as an option for when the time comes to update vehicles and I could throw them in when someone buys the D4.

[DIS4]

I've run both the Hankook Dynapro At/m and the Duratrac in 255/55/19 in my D4.

In 2015 I did a few thousand km around outback SA with a few from here - on the Hankooks.

Later this year i'll be doing something similar with the Duratracs - so I guess then I can give you the fairest comparison.

Both are good tyres, I'm a long way off needing replacements, but I suspect next time it will be more Duratracs.


Any side wall damaged on both tyres? I never have a puncture but had 3 sidewall damaged. Most happened with rocky tracks.

Cheers,

[Bytemrk]

Any side wall damaged on both tyres? I never have a puncture but had 3 sidewall damaged. Most happened with rocky tracks.

Cheers,

I put a sharp rock through a left rear side wall on a Hankook coming down from here:

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11102703_414106022095741_2467374572812321170_n.jpg ?oh=2e6d5d4b95fd94ae6fbae6f7cb542c3a&oe=59008D7B

To be honest - at least 90% driver error - still running road pressures, bad line etc.

After that I was much more careful about wheel position and kept a closer eye on sharp rocks and tree roots etc. that may stake a tire.

In the following two weeks we drove a couple of thousand km in a big loop around outback SA including plenty of rocky sharp stuff.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/02/520.jpg

Trip report HERE (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/sa-reports/218345-aliens-great-sa-trip.html).

Not one more problem.

The same tires have done a heap in the Vic high country and a bit of rock climbing around Lithgow without a problem, as well as lots of other small random trips.

19" tires are not the problem many people think they are.... unless you refuse to change your driving style. ;)


So far no drama with the Duratracs - time will tell.


For those choosing between 19" and 20 ".... remember you still have slightly more side wall on a 19".... even thought there is not much in it.

[cjc_td5]

I have had 19" Hankook Dynapros for 15000km now and am a happy chappy so far.
Same here for 20,000km now. Very happy with them.

[Babs]

Mark I look at it this way, you can go bushwalking in a pair of hiking boots and trample through whatever or you can go bushwalking with a pair of slippers.

They both will do it but it's how they do it, the hiking boots you can just go for it & the slippers you will have to be careful where you tread and tip toe around obstacles.

Why should you have to adjust your driving style, it's meant to be the worlds best 4WD. You should be able to just point it in the direction you wish to go and it takes you there (within reason)

I am now personally convinced after having experienced the 19" with the lower profile tyres that they are not even an option unless your vehicle never ventures past a at the worst a AAA grade unsealed road.

Yes I understand people are having some luck with them but why have to pussyfoot your driving to protect your tyres [emoji780] it's a bloody off road vehicle wearing slippers not hiking boots[emoji779]

My gripe is with Land Rover on this, I believe there should have been a factory 18" rim option.

Why should you have to drive and constantly be cautious of what's happening with your slippers um I mean tyres. I want to have full confidence that they're tough enough to withstand the worst & I understand that accidents happen and they're not foolproof but I want the percentages on my side. [emoji3][emoji106]

[Bytemrk]

Babs,

I think you might misunderstand what I am saying, I don't "pussyfoot" at all.

If I felt the tire size was restricting where I could drive I would have swapped to 18' some time ago. That's not the case at all.

We've all seen a group of people climb a steep loose hill:

Some get there with a big right foot and blast there way up with lots of momentum (and a certain amount of luck)

Others will get up the hill by taking the correct line, selecting the correct gear and avoiding loss of traction. Ultimately getting anywhere the other guy can get, with far less stress on the vehicle.

In my view, if you drive more like the second guy.... 19's generally will not hold you back at all. 20's I suspect would be the same, but I don't have thousands of kilometres of experience to back that view, which I do with the 19's.

You just need to understand where your wheels are - which will help make you a better driver anyway.;)

Maybe I've just been lucky. ;)

[DIS4]

Hankook- Solid A/T
Duratrac- Aggressive A/T

Work out what you primarily drive and choose accordingly [emoji56]

Tombie, which one got more piles on side wall? :)

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[Tombie]

Tombie, which one got more piles on side wall? :)

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I don't have the specs..

Keep in mind Ply rating - not Plys is the modern standard.

In the case of the 2 tyres mentioned both are XL not LT...

And carcass and sidewall strength also depends on design, rubber compound, thickness of rubber (not reinforcing cords)...

[Tombie]

Put in context -

Babs has damaged 19s almost immediately and every time he went out. His solution smaller rims and then oversize tyres..

Bytemark damaged a Hankook 19" tyre through "less than thorough offroad planning" (didn't drop pressure) but then went on to do thousands of kms without issue on gibber rock, sand, mud, stone etc..

Basil135 has done gibber, sand and dirt on 19" Duratracs without a hiccup.

It does depend on how you drive, where you drive....

I've seen guys with vehicles running 16s (not D4s) that are like magnets for punctures!

[Bytemrk]

The other variable, could be towing..??

Babs, not sure if you are towing, but I'm not, so particularly the rears don't have that additional down force... ( Except all my crap in the back :angel: )

[Stuart02]

Put in context -

Babs has damaged 19s almost immediately and every time he went out. His solution smaller rims and then oversize tyres..

Bytemark damaged a Hankook 19" tyre through "less than thorough offroad planning" (didn't drop pressure) but then went on to do thousands of kms without issue on gibber rock, sand, mud, stone etc..

Basil135 has done gibber, sand and dirt on 19" Duratracs without a hiccup.

It does depend on how you drive, where you drive....

I've seen guys with vehicles running 16s (not D4s) that are like magnets for punctures!
Yeah we got through about 800 kms of Flinders Ranges offroad on 20" Cooper LTZs with no punctures. Quite a few chunks out of the side walls though.
Meccles has just put Nitto Terra Grappler 265/50/20s on his RRS and is happy so far. Just another option ...

[GregMilner]

Good afternoon gentlemen, today I bid farewell to my beloved 2012 L322 - yes, sad face. The car is perfect, best I've ever owned, but practicality in our future of long distance off-road touring dictates something more of a workhorse.
NOTE: During the deliberations over a replacement for my FFRR, I agonised for weeks...even to the point of ALMOST thinking about possibly considering going over to the dark side. You will be pleased to know that I resisted the temptation of the siren call.
So I'm awaiting delivery of my 2016 D4 from Sydney in a couple of weeks, and in the meantime, scouring the forum for as much education and wisdom as I can find re the D4.
Among a long list of build items, are tyres. It comes with standard 19s. I considered getting the GOE 18s, but in an attempt to keep costs down as much as possible, I'm going to see what I can do with the 19s, at least for the next 7,000km trip this year, through the Kimberley and back down to Perth via the GCR.
With that in mind, I spied this offer on eBay yesterday:
LAND ROVER DISCOVERY 19" Wheels fitted With COOPER ZEON LTZ tyres (SET of 5!) | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/292013844351?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

Would appreciate input. Good deal? Good idea? Bad idea?
Or, just use the existing rims and put better tyres on them...

[Babs]

Good afternoon gentlemen, today I bid farewell to my beloved 2012 L322 - yes, sad face. The car is perfect, best I've ever owned, but practicality in our future of long distance off-road touring dictates something more of a workhorse.

NOTE: During the deliberations over a replacement for my FFRR, I agonised for weeks...even to the point of ALMOST thinking about possibly considering going over to the dark side. You will be pleased to know that I resisted the temptation of the siren call.

So I'm awaiting delivery of my 2016 D4 from Sydney in a couple of weeks, and in the meantime, scouring the forum for as much education and wisdom as I can find re the D4.

Among a long list of build items, are tyres. It comes with standard 19s. I considered getting the GOE 18s, but in an attempt to keep costs down as much as possible, I'm going to see what I can do with the 19s, at least for the next 7,000km trip this year, through the Kimberley and back down to Perth via the GCR.

With that in mind, I spied this offer on eBay yesterday:

LAND ROVER DISCOVERY 19" Wheels fitted With COOPER ZEON LTZ tyres (SET of 5!) | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/292013844351?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)



Would appreciate input. Good deal? Good idea? Bad idea?

Or, just use the existing rims and put better tyres on them...



You know my thoughts on this and if you look at all my previous comments on rim sizes I was adamant I was going to stay with the 19". I did the biggest backflip and can't recommend going to an 18" enough.

Congratulations on the new buy and good luck whichever way you end up going.

[cjc_td5]

I'll most likely be doing the Sandy Blight Jn Road, Gary Jn Road & Gary Hwy mid this year on 19" Hankooks. I don't think the sky is going to fall in....

[Tombie]

I'll most likely be doing the Sandy Blight Jn Road, Gary Jn Road & Gary Hwy mid this year on 19" Hankooks. I don't think the sky is going to fall in....



Carry a new carcass (no wheel) if mildly concerned - will speed up replacement if necessary at a remote site.

[GregMilner]

Yeah that's probably what I'll end up doing. Still tempted to bid for those Coopers on rims in Qld though, so I can keep the factory rims in good nick for around town.

[Graeme]

19" LTZ reputation isn't as good as 20" LTZ reputation.

What size rims currently, 19 or 20?

[GregMilner]

They're 19s Graeme. Is there a difference in construction between the 19inch Coopers and the 20s?
I had 19inch LTZ on my RRS a few years back, a couple of trips on the Gibb and they seemed to be okay.

[Graeme]

More failures reported for the 19" than the 20" but perhaps skewed if more 19" used in harsher conditions especially if on D4s and standard size tyres were fitted. If you've had reasonable success previously in the same conditions then that's a good reason to try them again especially if nothing significantly better is available. However oversize 20" are available that have more sidewall height than the 19" size.

[GregMilner]

I'd certainly feel the love if there were 255/60 or 255/65 profile available in 19s, that's for sure. Or even 275/55s.

[Rextheute]

Running Grabbers on 19" , they are an xl sidewall .
I was concerned until I felt the thickness of the standard 19" fitment good years - they are Fat and Chunky !
The Grabbers are thicker again .
My pick if I had to change for whatever reason would be 20" with an BF ko2 - these are not an LT , but an xl .Very Thick using the finger tester method .

I have done approx 8,000km on my GG , only a little off road and nothing super gnarly , high country and central vic - so rough rocky scramble ground and tracks mostly . They grip well on tar ( wet or dry ) little squirmy on the limit as in double the limit and subtract your age on corners .......

Cannot justify 18" as I always remember my father telling me drive to the conditions boy !
This was in an nsu prinz , dropping into the Wollemi wilderness ( 13" wheels, limited clearance 750cc 2 stroke .....)

[Rextheute]

Here's a pic of when they were new

[GregMilner]

How much were they Rex?

[Rextheute]

Wellllllllll, I'm possibly a bit Scottish .......
Nah , not really !

But , a set of 4 was just over $1000.00 - because of a 4 for 3 deal at bob Jane . They are a continental tyre , so being a bit cheeky I asked if it were possible when the promo was on ?

I can get tyre for reasonable prices thru work , but even then they were pricey .
BF Ko2 were almost $2200.00 .
However I still think they are a good tyre , I have many customers who swear by them and use them extensively off road . As a retailer of camper trailers ( that we rent ) we fit wranglers from factory and I can't complain about the performance . Have had trailers that have done 50,00km in 12 months - generally the tyres are half worn . And zero punctures !

Trailers have done every iconic destination , gibb river , gun barrel hwy , canning , Simpson ,madigan line , Oodnadatta track , cape York , Savannah way .
All used by persons with either limited to exp erienced travellers .

[GregMilner]

Sure are a bit pricey. I'll keep an eye on that auction on eBay and see how that goes for the time being. Got plenty of time, we don't head north till the end of June.

[LRD414]

Goodyear Duratracs get a lot of good feedback in the 19" size. Can be hard to source and not cheap but offer good tread. Two sets of 19" wheels wouldn't be my first option unless a bargain is available.

Scott

[rar110]

The 19" LTZs are probably about as good as OEMs from what I've read. At this point in time the only popular strong alternative to Compomotives is 20" with 285/50/20s. Even in 18" options the 285/60/18 seems to be a popular size for strength. Neither fit the wheel well of a D4 as far as I know.

Funny enough but next time I think I will go with 265/60/18s in Cooper HTs has they have a good load rating and I mainly do Beach driving off road.

Best of luck with the D4 Greg. My BIL has a SDV6. It's a nice vehicle.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Greg.
Will try posting again,last effort disappeared into the land of the www!!!!!
Firstly,awesome to see you remained brand loyal:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::co ol::cool::cool::cool:
Don't bother with a spare set of 19" rims,the tyre size is **** poor on our WA soft beaches.
If you are getting a second set,my good mate Aaron40 went 20" with a 285 tyre.He is very happy with them.
I tell him he has a skateboard,I love stirring Mr Shiny head.
Anyhow look into 20" if you are getting a spare set,there is a better tyre range!!!!
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/01/37.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-12/20161211_170207_zpsghldg6nw.jpg.html)
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Sorry about the pic.Its not what I linked from photobucket.Im just about over photobucket at the moment,they have just about made it unusable unless you want to pay for the privelidge:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad:
Will try again,no again again:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Hopefully this is the pic!!!!!!
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/02/161.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-12/502623960_zpslstgjfgw.jpg.html)
Andrew

[GregMilner]

Andrew, delighted to see your crop of excellent sweet corn. Relevance to tyre selection? I'll work it out eventually.
Sidewall height is the issue for me, I guess I don't much care about rim size as long as there's enough sidewall height. Question is, will a D4 with 20inch rims and appropriate tyres provide more sidewall height than the standard OEM 19s, or less? And if so, will they fill the wheel wells without serious/major modifications?
The L322 I've just sold, I refitted with Pirelli Scorpion ATRs which pushed the boundaries but still provided a solid 2 inches extra diameter than the standard Contis, and only just fitted the wheel wells (with a tiny bit of inconsequential rubbing). Not sure 20s on a D4 with bigger tyres will fit?

[Aaron40]

Sidewall difference is 5.5' to 5.6' 255/55/19 against 285/50/20. So you are not going to get more in sidewall height with a 20' rim. You will get better tyre selection and a slightly oversized tyre if you go 285/50/20. You wont get anything bigger without significant rubbing in a 20'. The Nitto's are a much quieter tyre than the GG's they replaced and are showing good wear at a very early stage. This tyre size does in my opinion perform a lot better in soft sand than the 19. The extra width helps with flotation. I have done driving around Lancelin at 16psi and am much happier than with the 19s. A set of 5 on recond rims with my 19s traded was $2k. The spare sits under the car deflated however it does hang an inch lower as the rim is an inch wider and the tyre 30mm wider. If you go the 20' make sure you get the Discovery rim with higher load rating and +53 offset. If I had the coin I would have got the 18's, there is no doubt they would be a better sand choice, 285/60/18 would be my choice. Maybe in the future, on a fishing trip North .... a card game with Landy Andy and a bottle of Scotch may loosen his nuts on those 18's he picked up for a song;)

[rar110]

The 285/60/18 is certainly a favourite for strength. But it just doesn't fit in the L322 wheel well, unless maybe I deflated it so it will sit flatter.

[Tombie]

Continental has just released these and they're getting great reviews OS
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/02/751.jpg

[GregMilner]

What are the details on these Tombie? What are they called?

[Tombie]

General Tyre X3

http://generaltire.com/tires/light-truck-crossover-suv/grabber-x3

[GregMilner]

Mmmm...hard to find online. Can't see them in 19s on the Conti site, do you have a link?

[RHS58]

BTW Tombie - where do you get that special spray pictured in your avatar?
Special import from Greece?

[Tombie]

Mmmm...hard to find online. Can't see them in 19s on the Conti site, do you have a link?



Brain fart! They're General Tyres

http://generaltire.com/tires/light-truck-crossover-suv/grabber-x3

[GregMilner]

Pretty mean looking tyre...can't see anything in the X3 at 19" though, unfortunately.

[Tombie]

Pretty mean looking tyre...can't see anything in the X3 at 19" though, unfortunately.



Dammit.. that's 2 in a row: it is there. U.K. Site...

Here's the UK link:
http://www.general-tire.co.uk/SUV-and-Offroad-Tyres/Grabber-X3

[GregMilner]

That's better. Would be nice if they were available here though.

[Tombie]

Only a request away [emoji41]

[DIS4]

Eventually I put in an Oder for GOE Rim to be delivered before Easter, finger cross if it happen. Thanks for your opinions and I thought it will be once for all rather than got more damaged on 19". For my experience, I can't stand any more Tyre damaged and brought more financial down to the track. Now, I need to decide which 18" Tyre are good with sidewall protection. My local Tyre plus shop strongly recommended BFG AT KO2 265/65/R18, any feedback since I always have cross some rocky tracks. But not too extreme.

[Babs]

Eventually I put in an Oder for GOE Rim to be delivered before Easter, finger cross if it happen. Thanks for your opinions and I thought it will be once for all rather than got more damaged on 19". For my experience, I can't stand any more Tyre damaged and brought more financial down to the track. Now, I need to decide which 18" Tyre are good with sidewall protection. My local Tyre plus shop strongly recommended BFG AT KO2 265/65/R18, any feedback since I always have cross some rocky tracks. But not too extreme.



You can't go past the Coopers Flagship ST Maxx.
They are more expensive but for a reason.
I'm back with them and love them. They are the thickest sidewall of any All Terrain tyre on the market.

[Disco-tastic]

Eventually I put in an Oder for GOE Rim to be delivered before Easter, finger cross if it happen. Thanks for your opinions and I thought it will be once for all rather than got more damaged on 19". For my experience, I can't stand any more Tyre damaged and brought more financial down to the track. Now, I need to decide which 18" Tyre are good with sidewall protection. My local Tyre plus shop strongly recommended BFG AT KO2 265/65/R18, any feedback since I always have cross some rocky tracks. But not too extreme.

Someone just ordered some LT construction 18" Bridgestone D697s for $235 a tyre. Havent heard of many of those suffering major sidewall damage. Fair bit cheaper than the KO2s too.

[Redback]

We just recently put Hankook Dynapro's in 265/60/18 on our D4, so far they are very good, quiet, good in the wet, our last tyres were D697s, they seemed to wear quickly, which may have been an alignment issue, even so they still seemed wear quicker than I expected.

I would make sure who ever does your wheel alignments knows about tight tolerance mode.

[Tombie]

Baz.. please define quickly [emoji6]

[LRD414]

Now, I need to decide which 18" Tyre are good with sidewall protection. My local Tyre plus shop strongly recommended BFG AT KO2 265/65/R18, any feedback since I always have cross some rocky tracks. But not too extreme.

You now have quite some choice Gary.

For tyre size the closest match to the factory size is 265/60/R18 but the one you've been recommended 265/65/R18 will also fit, as will 285/60/R18.

Note that the two bigger sizes do cause a minor amount of rubbing when on full lock and are difficult to fit the spare wheel underneath (has to be deflated and pushed into place).

I have had the BFG KO2 and Bridgestone D697 in 265/60/R18 and been happy with both.
These are good strong LT rated tyres with strong sidewalls and deep tread.

There are more experiences and feedback in these threads:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/233730-18-inch-bfg-k02-d4.html
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/163404-new-d697s-fitted.html

Cheers,
Scott

[Redback]

Baz.. please define quickly [emoji6]

Around 30,000Ks:(

[Tombie]

Around 30,000Ks:(



Wow!!!

These are at 50k
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/02/700.jpg

[l00kin4]

My fronts, especially passenger side, look worse than that on the edges after only 14k ! I drive a ridiculously circuitous (35 turns and 9 roundabouts and seemingly hard on tyres) rat run 15km to and from work every day plus whatever happens on the weekend. Maybe I need to slow down a bit...

I've taken them off for a while and put the Wranglers back on while I've no off road trips planned.

David

[letherm]

Note that the two bigger sizes do cause a minor amount of rubbing when on full lock and are difficult to fit the spare wheel underneath (has to be deflated and pushed into place).

I have had the BFG KO2 and Bridgestone D697 in 265/60/R18 and been happy with both.
These are good strong LT rated tyres with strong sidewalls and deep tread.

Cheers,
Scott

Hi Scott.

Reading your post I get the impression that the 265/60/R18 fit ok in the wheel well whilst inflated. Is that correct? Also, I have rear aircon, would they get anywhere near the rear driver side wheel arch when in access or off road mode? Would like to go the 18" rim route.:):)

[LRD414]

.... I get the impression that the 265/60/R18 fit ok in the wheel well whilst inflated. Is that correct?
Also, I have rear aircon, would they get anywhere near the rear driver side wheel arch when in access or off road mode?
Exactly correct Martin and no there's no issues with rear aircon at any height.
These are the advantages of 265/60/R18.

I have friends who now have KO2s, one in 265/65 and one in 285/60.
Will be interesting to see if there's any appreciable difference when offroad.
Would only be detectable in particularly tricky terrain I think.

Cheers,
Scott

[letherm]

Exactly correct Martin and no there's no issues with rear aircon at any height.
These are the advantages of 265/60/R18.

I have friends who now have KO2s, one in 265/65 and one in 285/60.
Will be interesting to see if there's any appreciable difference when offroad.
Would only be detectable in particularly tricky terrain I think.

Cheers,
Scott

Thanks Scott.

Now to start the brainwashing process of swmbo:twisted::twisted::twisted:

Martin

[shanegtr]

We just recently put Hankook Dynapro's in 265/60/18 on our D4, so far they are very good, quiet, good in the wet, our last tyres were D697s, they seemed to wear quickly, which may have been an alignment issue, even so they still seemed wear quicker than I expected.

I would make sure who ever does your wheel alignments knows about tight tolerance mode.
Im finding my D697's are wearing quicker than I would have expected too. I rotate my 6 tyres so I estimate that each tyre has done around 26,000 (considering I've travelled nearly 40,000km since purchase and each tyre is on for roughly 2/3s of that time)


I've been running bridgestone A/T's for quite a while now and this lot seems to be the quickest wearing I've come across. Might be time to change brands for the next set.

[Tinman]

Hi Guys if anyone is interested my son just put a set of Goodyear Duratrec 255 55 19s on his 2015 D4. purchased at Tempe tyres Sydney for $310 a shoe. They have plenty in stock
Cheers

[LRD414]

Hi Guys if anyone is interested my son just put a set of Goodyear Duratrec 255 55 19s on his 2015 D4. purchased at Tempe tyres Sydney for $310 a shoe. They have plenty in stock
Cheers
That's a good price. They have always been hard to get and more expensive than that.

Scott

[Tinman]

They look a great tyre with plenty of side wall protection plenty of meat where it counts , but the only negative thing that I could say about them is the tread wear number, as we all know the higher the number the longer the tyre will last . There is plenty of variables here. The tread wear number for Bridgestone 697s is 600 the tread wear number for the Goodyear is 320 . Coming from Germany they make pretty good stuff. These tyres are rated for snow so softer compound like most European tyres are but they would have great handling in wet and snow. As my son said not a lot available for 19s at the moment, this was the same for the 18s when the first D3 came out and look what we have now.
Cheers

[g5k]

A mate who is a mechanic wondered if the calipers can be switched out to a size that would allow 18's has anyone heard about his as a viable pathway?

[Bytemrk]

I'm not sure that is a conversation I'd want to have with my insurance company or even the cops if I had a major accident g5k.

At least without getting it properly engineered... ;)

[cjc_td5]

A mate who is a mechanic wondered if the calipers can be switched out to a size that would allow 18's has anyone heard about his as a viable pathway?
Investigated that option. Retaining the original rotor, you need to go to a double piston caliper and due to the wheel offset, there is not enough clearance to the wheel spokes for the outside piston. I was going to get it engineered but could not find a viable source caliper.

Most viable retrofit would be to fit earlier model D4 smaller rotor and calipers to allow 18" wheels.

[g5k]

Most viable retrofit would be to fit earlier model D4 smaller rotor and calipers to allow 18" wheels.


This seems like a reasonable option would it be adequate in terms of function?

[Graeme]

The 2.7's brakes were obviously adequate but as the brakes are not fitted to any current model I suspect that they could not legally be fitted to a current model. I fitted them to a MY10 D4 to allow 17" rim fitment although never engineered. They were removed for the new owner.

[g5k]

I wonder if it was just a choice Land Rover made to beef them up for the 3L not so much that the other wouldn't be legal.

[Graeme]

Brake specifications are included in ADR approvals. For earlier D4s the ADR approvals noted the 2 brake sizes and that they were applicable to both engine specifications, although also noted a comment that all 3.0's would be supplied with the larger brakes. Hence technically the 2.7's were able to be fitted to 3.0-engined D4s even though LR did not supply that configuration. I haven't seen the ADR approvals for current D4s but suspect the 2.7 size brakes are not listed as they are no longer fitted to any D4 entering Australia.

[g5k]

I have a my10 D4 guessing the same you did this on so technically I could?

[Graeme]

Ah, I assumed a late model D4.

There are other threads regarding fitting LR 18" rims including replacing the rear calipers with 2.7 / later 3.0 versions that might be of interest to you.

[g5k]

I'll go hunting thanks for that. Did you find they performed just as well as the bigger brakes?

[Graeme]

The first braking tried to throw me through the windscreen, being excessively aggressive on new discs. I borrowed the local mechanic's rego brake test meter to do brake tests and kept the print-out showing the braking effort easily passed. I only use brakes hard in unexpected circumstances and never found the 2.7's lacking. I haven't heard many complaints that 2.7 brakes are inadequate but V8 D3 front discs are slightly larger than 2.7 D3/D4 (they use the 2.7 calipers but a different bracket) and still allow LR 18" rims but not 17".

[DiscoJeffster]

I wonder if it was just a choice Land Rover made to beef them up for the 3L not so much that the other wouldn't be legal.



Clearly they decided the 2.7 brakes were inadequate for the 3.0L. It might have been marketing but I doubt that. Given that the vehicle is complied with the larger brakes for the 3L it would be illegal to fit the smaller to a 3L and will void your insurance. Saying that, it's extremely unlikely that anyone would notice, unless the accident was caused by you running out of brakes and they inspected that aspect of your car post accident.
Bear in mind brakes are balanced between front, rear and master cylinder and it might not be a direct swap of simply the front between them. The manual would shine a light on that as would part numbers. If the master cylinder and rear brakes are the same between 2.7L and 3.0L then that would indicate a direct swap is feasible, bit illegal.

[rar110]

I thought TR improvement was a big reason for the bigger brakes.

[cjc_td5]

Clearly they decided the 2.7 brakes were inadequate for the 3.0L. It might have been marketing but I doubt that. Given that the vehicle is complied with the larger brakes for the 3L it would be illegal to fit the smaller to a 3L and will void your insurance. Saying that, it's extremely unlikely that anyone would notice, unless the accident was caused by you running out of brakes and they inspected that aspect of your car post accident.
Bear in mind brakes are balanced between front, rear and master cylinder and it might not be a direct swap of simply the front between them. The manual would shine a light on that as would part numbers. If the master cylinder and rear brakes are the same between 2.7L and 3.0L then that would indicate a direct swap is feasible, bit illegal.
I don't think anyone is suggesting retro fitting the alternate brakes without going through an engineering certification process, which would ensure legality etc.

[g5k]

My plan is to ask one of the local Land Rover workshops to see if they've done it before and thoughts on it as a start. I'm told changing to the brake setup on the D3 V8 would achieve the 18" fitment and you'd think that if they work on that with similar weight and more power they should be fine for the D4 3L.

[Tombie]

By the time you:
Buy the required Calipers
Required brackets
Rebuild them if second hand
New pads
Suitable discs
Engineer for approval

You could buy Compomotives [emoji6]

[g5k]

By the time you:
Buy the required Calipers
Required brackets
Rebuild them if second hand
New pads
Suitable discs
Engineer for approval

You could buy Compomotives [emoji6]



I actually would if there wasn't the lead time but have a gouged tire and a trip planned in April so either need to buy new some new 19" tires and bide more time or make the move one way or the other. Anyone got some compomotives they wanna sell? Motivation isn't price driven just looking to open up more flexible options.

[Grentarc]

I actually would if there wasn't the lead time but have a gouged tire and a trip planned in April so either need to buy new some new 19" tires and bide more time or make the move one way or the other. Anyone got some compomotives they wanna sell? Motivation isn't price driven just looking to open up more flexible options.
There is a set on Gumtree going for just under $5k with coopers

[Narangga]

There is a set on Gumtree going for just under $5k with coopers

And they are in SA.

[LandyAndy]

Makes my set of 6 with 2 brand new coopers and 4@10000k sound very cheap;););););),I paid $1500:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[g5k]

Yeah ambitious pricing at $500 more than new cost. GOE at $565 a rim and $349 a tire (Tempe), $4570 new.

[LandyAndy]

He knows of the wait,I guess he thinks he can get his money back.
I would make a lower offer,see how you go.
There was a set 4 in WA with tyres went for $1800 a couple of weeks back.
Andrew

[g5k]

Wait isn't too bad next shipment is due in mid April. Noted the tire fitted isn't on the GOE list of recommended guessing the rods are needed to make it fit without rubbing?

[Grentarc]

Wait isn't too bad next shipment is due in mid April. Noted the tire fitted isn't on the GOE list of recommended guessing the rods are needed to make it fit without rubbing?
They are 275/55R18 - 32" and a smidgen.

[LandyAndy]

275/65x18. Yes,just over 32".
Aaron 40 just put 285/55x20 tyres that have a very similar O/D.His fit OK,had to shift some wiring on the chassis to prevent rubbing,have to carry the spare deflated to fit under the vehicle.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

The member selling the SA set on gumtree is a member.
He will be advertising them here once he re-submits his add.Says they have done less than 1000km so perhaps a reasonable buy.
Andrew

[Tombie]

Was a D4 parked at Neurosurgeons park when I was there Friday..
Anthracite Compomotives with very new 265/65-18 BFGs on it.. looked nice

[Grentarc]

275/65x18. Yes,just over 32".
Aaron 40 just put 285/55x20 tyres that have a very similar O/D.His fit OK,had to shift some wiring on the chassis to prevent rubbing,have to carry the spare deflated to fit under the vehicle.
Andrew
Yes, autocorrect changed my 65 into a 55 for some reason...
275/65r18 is a decent amount of rubber!

[g5k]

Yes, autocorrect changed my 65 into a 55 for some reason...
275/65r18 is a decent amount of rubber!



Indeed

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/02/496.jpg

[LandyAndy]

They look great.MORE PICS PLEASE!!!!!
Did you have to use the rods all the time???
Thanks
Andrew

[g5k]

They look great.MORE PICS PLEASE!!!!!

Did you have to use the rods all the time???

Thanks

Andrew



I haven't tried without, put rods on with the wheels as had an outing this weekend. Not so squeaky clean now.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/02/327.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/02/328.jpg

[LandyAndy]

I like,LOTS;);););););););)
How did they go????
Andrew

[g5k]

I like,LOTS;);););););););)

How did they go????

Andrew


Went over heaps of rock and some decent slopes and went through the mud well. We had to snatch a couple of cars that got bogged so was a bit nervous but got through well.

I don't have a comparison point but big tick I reckon.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/02/297.jpg

[LRD414]

Where were the photos taken? Looks interesting.

Scott

[g5k]

Where were the photos taken? Looks interesting.

Scott



This place, highly recommend really nice people and great location.

http://www.jakemfarm.com.au