Ford Mustang - as safe as a 1st gen Great Wall ute...

[Homestar]

Tested as 2 starts out of 5. Child occupant safety is appalling.

Although the testing has changed, it still paints a bad picture - almost as bad as the Evoque... ;)

Probably still better than my 101...

FORD Mustang 2016 - FM GT Convertible 2dr SelectShift 6sp 5.0i | How Safe Is Your Car (http://m.howsafeisyourcar.com.au/2016/Ford/Mustang/FM-GT-Convertible-2dr-SelectShift-6sp-5_0i/)

[Mick_Marsh]

Look at the positives.
They look great, they're shiny and they will last at least three years.

[squizzyhunter]

Look at the positives.
They look great, they're shiny and they will last at least three years.

Plus you have a second mortgage and you have to wait 12 months till you can pick it up

[Tombie]

See what they fail for though... amusing...

Poor access to child seats, No out of lane, no pedestrian safety etc..

Crash cell held up.. and did a pretty good job..

Ancap really is a total crock of ****..

[Homestar]

See what they fail for though... amusing...

Poor access to child seats, No out of lane, no pedestrian safety etc..

Crash cell held up.. and did a pretty good job..

Ancap really is a total crock of ****..

Not at all - they also reported drivers head hitting the steering wheel, passanger head hitting the dashboard due to airbags under inflating. Deceleration rates high compared to crash speed - the crumple zones are too hard causing occupant damage. There's a lot of vehicles I wouldn't want to have a crash in - and I own a few of them, but this certainly rates as a stinker for a modern, expensive vehicle compared to what other manufacturers are offering, which is what I wanted to point out.

Expensive car - crap features. I love the look of them and we even considered buying one, but just looking and sitting in one put me off straight away - the build quality is aweful. Go open and close a door on one - it sounds like an old series Land Rover. Wiggle the handle up and down while you're at it - the whole door panel flexes.

I think Mick is on the money with the 3 year lifespan...

Real shame - it promised so much, and delivered so little. Ford still have some work ahead of them...

[bee utey]

Their biggest safety problem of course will remain the loose nut behind the steering wheel.

[101RRS]

My brother has a 5.0 Mustang from the first Aussie shipment - ordered 18 months before Aussie release so bought sight unseen - he considers it to be a low rent car with a high rent aussie price - in the US it is a low rent car with a matching low rent price.

Not surprising is failed the Europe crash testing as it is a very old car - the current basic body was released in the US in 2004 so was designed earlier than that.

So with only 2 stars it cannot be used by Govt agencies like NSW police so I guess that unless the new 2017 model is rated higher it will not be used as a highway pursuit vehicle.

Garry

[loanrangie]

Plus you have a second mortgage and you have to wait 12 months till you can pick it up
Cheaper than a specced up commonwhore.

[Tombie]

NSW Police are looking at the Kia V6 Turbo..

[Pickles2]

Mustang?, massive success for Ford Aus, and as loanrangie has said, "cheaper than a specced up Commodore". They are terrific value for money. I get the comment about build quality. There aren't many mass produced U.S. cars that are as well built as the VF Commodore. It was the same with the Monaro. U.S. buyers were amazed at the build quality of it.
There is also a huge range of go faster gear available, some of whhich, from Ford Motorsport, enables one to retain one's warranty.
And, what's the betting Supercars Prodrive runs a Mustang?, plus I say Penske will go that way as well.
Ford Aus love this car, all sold at full retail, & they can't get enough of 'm. And when Commodore finishes in Oct this year, the Mustang will be in even greater demand. What will Holden have to compete in the performance market?...Nothing at the moment,....they need Camaro, but no sign of that,.....Yet.
Pickles.

[101RRS]

"cheaper than a specced up Commodore". They are terrific value for money.

$65 - 70K for a base V8 isn't terrific value for money. To me a 6.2l SS Commodore for about $55k is a better car and much better value for money.

Garry

[Homestar]

Spudboy - would have loved to keep Johns video up but it has a lot of naughty words in it.

For those that are interested go to the 'Auto Expert' YouTube channel - you can't miss it.

[Pickles2]

$65 - 70K for a base V8 isn't terrific value for money. To me a 6.2l SS Commodore for about $55k is a better car and much better value for money.

Garry
Not necessarily,..it depends what you're looking for,...ya cant buy a 2 door Commodore,..some people want a V8 Coupe,..as proven by the demand for Mustang, worldwide, for this car.....it has been, and continues to be, a HUGE success.
Pickles.

[Homestar]

Not necessarily,..it depends what you're looking for,...ya cant buy a 2 door Commodore,..some people want a V8 Coupe,..as proven by the demand for Mustang, worldwide, for this car.....it has been, and continues to be, a HUGE success.
Pickles.

I'm not saying it's not a success I, just saying you probably shouldn't drive one too fast if you want to live when you prang it... ;)

[Toxic_Avenger]

And when Commodore finishes in Oct this year, the Mustang will be in even greater demand. What will Holden have to compete in the performance market?...Nothing at the moment,....they need Camaro, but no sign of that,.....Yet.
Pickles.

On a similar but different tangent... Dodge Ram has recently brought the 'full size' pickup (AKA Utility) offering to Aus.
Somebody please bring the F350 super duty to this country. I will pretend I have a spare 200K to stooge a test drive.

[BMKal]

What will Holden have to compete in the performance market?...Nothing at the moment,....they need Camaro, but no sign of that,.....Yet.
Pickles.

Local Holden dealership here in Kal has a very nice looking red Camaro with white stripes in No. 1 display position out the front of the showroom. ;)

[LandyAndy]

Local Holden dealership here in Kal has a very nice looking red Camaro with white stripes in No. 1 display position out the front of the showroom. ;)

Its not a new one Brian,and its $84 grand!!!!!
They have the dunnydore platform,so its a glorified dunnydorre:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

They do look neat!!!!
2012 Chevrolet Camaro for sale in Kalgoorlie - Golden City Holden (http://www.goldencityholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/used-2012-Chevrolet-Camaro-2SS_RS-Kalgoorlie-WA/2847022953)

Andrew

[Pickles2]

Its not a new one Brian,and its $84 grand!!!!!
They have the dunnydore platform,so its a glorified dunnydorre:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

They do look neat!!!!
2012 Chevrolet Camaro for sale in Kalgoorlie - Golden City Holden (http://www.goldencityholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/used-2012-Chevrolet-Camaro-2SS_RS-Kalgoorlie-WA/2847022953)

Andrew
You are right, but of course it is a conversion & totally unable to compete with Mustang on price.
However, if GM ever wakes up & produces the Camaro in RHD, it will be a different story.
Pickles.

[BMKal]

Its not a new one Brian,and its $84 grand!!!!!
They have the dunnydore platform,so its a glorified dunnydorre:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

They do look neat!!!!
2012 Chevrolet Camaro for sale in Kalgoorlie - Golden City Holden (http://www.goldencityholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/used-2012-Chevrolet-Camaro-2SS_RS-Kalgoorlie-WA/2847022953)

Andrew

Could have sworn the one I saw the other day had white stripes. :D

There's been one on display there for quite a while now, so maybe they've had more than one - and I don't look in there very often.

At least, being a Camaro, you are guaranteed it will be a V8 and have a bit of grunt behind it (at least I think they are all still V8's). I have a quiet little chuckle whenever I see one of the new Mustangs these days - is it really a descendant of the old V8 known for muscle car performance - or is it an "Ecotec" four cylinder pretender ........................... :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Much as I might like the look of the new Mustang, I seriously couldn't buy one while they have a choice of a V8 or a little 4 pot screamer in the same body. ;)

[Pickles2]

Could have sworn the one I saw the other day had white stripes. :D

There's been one on display there for quite a while now, so maybe they've had more than one - and I don't look in there very often.

At least, being a Camaro, you are guaranteed it will be a V8 and have a bit of grunt behind it (at least I think they are all still V8's). I have a quiet little chuckle whenever I see one of the new Mustangs these days - is it really a descendant of the old V8 known for muscle car performance - or is it an "Ecotec" four cylinder pretender ........................... :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Much as I might like the look of the new Mustang, I seriously couldn't buy one while they have a choice of a V8 or a little 4 pot screamer in the same body. ;)
Why would anyone buy a "4 Cyl. Mustang"?......Beats me.
However, the 5L V8 is a seriously good engine,....outputs of 800HP are easily achieveable, whilst the car could still be driven by a "little old lady to church on Sunday".....the wonders of modern S.C. & associated electronics.
Pickles.

[spudboy]

Spudboy - would have loved to keep Johns video up but it has a lot of naughty words in it.

For those that are interested go to the 'Auto Expert' YouTube channel - you can't miss it.

Oh yeah - I sort of forgot about his rather fruity language. Did I score any 'demerit' points?

[AllTerr]

On a similar but different tangent... Dodge Ram has recently brought the 'full size' pickup (AKA Utility) offering to Aus.
Somebody please bring the F350 super duty to this country. I will pretend I have a spare 200K to stooge a test drive.
I had 2 of them in the states. Was hard enough parking them there. Wouldn't want to even try it here....

[ramblingboy42]

If you want a Mustang QFord in Springwood Queensland appear to have them on the showroom floor all the time.

I don't think you'd have to wait one month let alone 12 to get one. Why would you?

[Ranga]

Early in the US last year, I couldn't believe how common the Mustang, Camaro and Charger were. They were all everywhere. Honestly, it was like Commodores and Falcons here.

My favourite for style was easily the Camaro.

[LandyAndy]

Oh yeah - I sort of forgot about his rather fruity language. Did I score any 'demerit' points?

Nah mate it wasn't that bad.You would have got an official PM if you got pinged.
Andrew

[PAT303]

I'd never ever own any Aus/Yank designed GM/Ford vehicle,absolutely sick of them.I've been doing the timing gears/chains/head gaskets on a mates wifes VE commodore,no wonder 'olden have gone broke,the things a complete POS.It's done 125K and the cost of the repair is more than it's value,the reason I'm doing it as a love job.The Mustang?,I'm with Shelby,their OK as a secretary's car ;). Pat

[LandyAndy]

Why would anyone buy a "4 Cyl. Mustang"?......Beats me.
However, the 5L V8 is a seriously good engine,....outputs of 800HP are easily achieveable, whilst the car could still be driven by a "little old lady to church on Sunday".....the wonders of modern S.C. & associated electronics.
Pickles.

They deleted the background V8 rumble the modern S.C & associated electronics produced on the ecoboost powered stangs after the motoring jurnos started taking the ****:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Andrew

[carlschmid2002]

When I sold my F6 Typhoon I was drawn to a new Mustang but the D3 was giving me grief and with two dogs, a 3 and a 4 year old and a camper trailer the D4 V8 showed more appeal. If my kids were older and it was just for me I couldn't care less about the NCAP rating. Ask a Defender driver. The best crash protection is not to crash.

[carjunkieanon]

Couple of videos worth watching (pretty sure there's not swearing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbbNlkP-ZSM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4f4q52J9qY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtdtGgf1BF0

[cripesamighty]

Rehashing an older post, but the Euro NCAP guys just tested the Mustang with its safety features put back in. It is now rated up from 2 stars to 3 stars. Still not great though.

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/euro-ncap-rates-ford-mustang-three-stars-safe-107922/)

[Homestar]

Rehashing an older post, but the Euro NCAP guys just tested the Mustang with its safety features put back in. It is now rated up from 2 stars to 3 stars. Still not great though.

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/euro-ncap-rates-ford-mustang-three-stars-safe-107922/)

But there's all the ones running around without this that are still 2 stars.

They only added the safety pack from the absolute trashing they got from the worlds media - they don't actually give a stuff about its safety, if they did, they would have included it from the start...

[cripesamighty]

Look at John Cadogan's YouTube page if you want to see what he thinks of executives from certain car companies. Quite inventive language!!

[Tins]

They have the dunnydore platform,so its a glorified dunnydorre:D:D:D:D:D:D:D



And if Ford had used the Falcon platform for the Mustang this thread wouldn't have started. The "Dunnydore" is the best RWD platform in GM's universe, by far.

[Pickles2]

Well, my thoughts on the Mustang are well known, and they stand, but I do acknowledge that Ford only have themselves to blame for the Ancap rating, however IMHO, here are many on this forum who wouldn't buy a Mustang even if it had an Ancap rating of 5M.
Nevertheless, none of this is affecting the worldwide success that the new Mustang has been for Ford, and also in Australia, where our demand for such vehicles is miniscule, albeit relative to the world market.
Nevertheless, in Aussie, despite Anscap, sales are going very well, the Mustang is now Australia's best selling sportscat, sales increasing 78.2% in 2017.
Would I buy one, well I might, but I wouldn't be happy with the standard product. I'd be going straight to Herrod who have the Aussie rights to Ford motorsport upgrades, & I'd have 'ém fit their blower, driveline, suspension & brake upgrade, with full Ford warranty (different rules for aftermarket re emissions etc), and the finished product is still cheaper than the HSV product of which I've also owned a few,...gotta love my V8s.
In the meantime, whilst Wifey likes the Mustang, she prefers her RS3, and I ain't selling Gracie, so I can't see one in our garage!
Pickles.

[Homestar]

So what you're saying is they are a lump of junk that you then need to spend 10's of '000 of dollars on to make it right?

Hmmm, I'll pass... ;)

But I'm being facetious - sales are indeed going nuts - up to over 1,350 units in May alone up from 630 something. We actually did look at one for SWMBO but it wasn't for us. They are a good looking car though. :)

[Pickles2]

So what you're saying is they are a lump of junk that you then need to spend 10's of '000 of dollars on to make it right?

Hmmm, I'll pass... ;)

But I'm being facetious - sales are indeed going nuts - up to over 1,350 units in May alone up from 630 something. We actually did look at one for SWMBO but it wasn't for us. They are a good looking car though. :)
Lol!!......."lump of junk......." Can't see where I said that Gav.
Some people are happy with 306KW,...but for the relatively reasonable price of obtaining 500KW, in spite of me being old, I would enjoy it, I REALLY would.
I don't thnk I've ever driven anything over 400KW, so 500KW would be a new experience for me!....but to quote you "ït ain't for us",......not at this time anyway!
Pickles.

[Tins]

Lol!!......."lump of junk......." Can't see where I said that Gav.
Some people are happy with 306KW,...but for the relatively reasonable price of obtaining 500KW, in spite of me being old, I would enjoy it, I REALLY would.
I don't thnk I've ever driven anything over 400KW, so 500KW would be a new experience for me!....but to quote you "ït ain't for us",......not at this time anyway!
Pickles.

Reckon it would be fun for a month or two, and then the poor build and ergonomics would pall. In the US it's cheap, in the UK it's even cheaper, in a relative sense, but here? Way, way too dear. I'd much rather find a low k XR6 Turbo, or the last XR8 with the GT engine. They even disabled the "drift" function here! Seems that was really the only point of 500KW in a chassis as crude as that. Oh, and then there's the absolutely pitiful size of the fuel tank.

On the "sales success" thing, well, of course. Ford haven't had a hero car really since the first XR6Ts and Typhoons. The last HSVs are mind blowing, so Ford fans need some sort of cred. As a bloke who fell for Beechey's Mustang, and then that insane car of Moff's, I'm there. But this 'Stang is a disappointment to me. They could have done something truly special, and if they'd used the Falcon platform they would have.. Sure, if you watch the opening scenes of Episode One of the Grand Tour, you will see what the tuning houses can do with them, but the price here of one of those puts you in not very old M5 territory. And THAT would be no contest.

It's been mentioned here, and on another thread, that it's ridiculous to carry on about poor ANCAP scores, when we drive around in old Land Rovers. At best, that is a spurious argument. My 2000 Disco was never going to score a 5. What car of that era was? Did the S Class Benz? I dunno, it isn't relevant. The 2017 Disco scored a 5. The 2017 'Stang should have as well. The Falcon they could have based it on does. Not good enough, Ford.

[trout1105]

Regardless of the ancap rating I wouldn't knock one of these Mustangs back, Would be great Fun to drive [biggrin]

[Pickles2]

Regardless of the ancap rating I wouldn't knock one of these Mustangs back, Would be great Fun to drive [biggrin]
Well that's it,..."Fun",....that's what it would be for me,...absolutely,......just as our 90 Gracie is,..fun,.....one has 90KW, and one has 306 KW,.....but they're both "fun" to me......couldn't drive either as an "ëverydayer"
Pickles..

[ramblingboy42]

Hawaii is Mustang heaven.

Everywhere you look there are new Mustangs mostly convertibles. mostly top down.

They look great, they sound great.

I hope Ford see fit to market them at a realistic price here as they are stateside. My wife likes them, I like them, perhaps when she retires and doesnt need a shopping trolley we may look at one.

[Homestar]

Realistic pricing seems not to be a concern Ford are interested in addressing here - and as they are selling like hot cakes anyway I can't see a price reduction any time soon. Time will tell what the resale value of second hand units will be like within 12 months or so which may be a good option.

[Pickles2]

Pricing?..Really guys, I think the pricing is not too bad, they're WAY cheaper than anything from HSV, and that's why i said in a previous post, first stop for me would be Herrod, & I'd still be cheaper than HSV.
IMHO, a major reason why Mustang has been so successful is because it's cheap, I mean it's not like a Hyundai i30 etc, but for anything like it, it's cheap,.....particularly when compared to what people previously paid to import & convert one,....well over $100K.
Pickles.

[Homestar]

If you actually have a look at what you get (or don't get) and the build quality (or lack there of) they are way overpriced IMO. When we looked at them and test drive one, I was actually quite shocked at how badly they are finished compared to Taiwanese offerings. One of the things I noticed when I first walked up to one and tried to open the door (which was locked) the whole door panel moved when I pulled on the handle - they just seem cheap to me is all, but the price tag says different.

[Tins]

Pricing?..Really guys, I think the pricing is not too bad, they're WAY cheaper than anything from HSV, and that's why i said in a previous post, first stop for me would be Herrod, & I'd still be cheaper than HSV.
IMHO, a major reason why Mustang has been so successful is because it's cheap, I mean it's not like a Hyundai i30 etc, but for anything like it, it's cheap,.....particularly when compared to what people previously paid to import & convert one,....well over $100K.
Pickles.

In the UK, they are the same price as a Focus ST. Here, they aren't half the car that HSV builds. Don't get me wrong. I wanted the Mustang to be great. If I was forced to choose in the silly Ford/GM argument I would choose Ford. But I think the current Mustang is nothing more than a cynical marketing exercise, when it could have been a great car.

Just my 2 bob.

[loanrangie]

Give me a Challenger :)

[Pickles2]

Give me a Challenger :)
Yes indeed, a new one would be good, only FACTORY RHD for me though, NO WAY would I ever want a converted car.
But I've loved the Dodge Challenger ever sinse I saw the iconic "Vanishing Point" starring Barry Newman (Petrocelli!) in the early seventies,...426 Hemi R/T,....boy, would I love one of them, but I ain't got millions!
Pickles.

[Toxic_Avenger]

Give me a Challenger :)

Only if it's a Hellcat.
Bonus points when its 707HP donk is crammed into a JK wrangler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7j9XcrZYec

[scarry]

Rehashing an older post, but the Euro NCAP guys just tested the Mustang with its safety features put back in. It is now rated up from 2 stars to 3 stars. Still not great though.

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/euro-ncap-rates-ford-mustang-three-stars-safe-107922/)

A hi ace van gets 4 stars,same as D3/4....all a bit strange.

The van jumped from 3 to 4 stars because the new model had ABS standard.

[pop058]

Hawaii is Mustang heaven.

Everywhere you look there are new Mustangs mostly convertibles. mostly top down.

They look great, they sound great.

I hope Ford see fit to market them at a realistic price here as they are stateside. My wife likes them, I like them, perhaps when she retires and doesnt need a shopping trolley we may look at one.

Like most things, the market itself usually has a huge influence on the price so I think Ford is selling them at a realistic price FOR FORD. They are selling lots of them at the current price so I cannot see them lowering the price any time soon.

[DiscoMick]

I'd rather have a WRX.

[grey_ghost]

I've owned a few Subaru's.. Liberty RS Turbo, Forester and then a WRX.. All from new.. Sold the WRX in under 2 years - the engine kept shutting itself off (always when driving, usually 80-100km)... Despite multiple attempts Subaru Australia could never fix it... Just because it's from Japan - doesn't always mean that it's reliable... I wouldn't say no to an R35 GTR though... ;-)

[AllTerr]

Give me a Challenger :)
Get one like the other Nick's....[emoji1]

Nick Kyrgios splurges on $180k car after Wimbledon exit (http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/07/17/15/44/nick-kyrgios-splurges-on-180k-car-after-wimbledon-exit)

[ramblingboy42]

When you said Challenger before , I thought you were talking about a Mitsu Challenger[bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

[Shoogs]

Just buy a 5-6 year old C63 AMG Mercedes and be done with it, fits the kids and groceries and beats all on the road... safe, reliable, build quality second to none...

[Pickles2]

Just buy a 5-6 year old C63 AMG Mercedes and be done with it, fits the kids and groceries and beats all on the road... safe, reliable, build quality second to none...
I'll second that, we bought a new one with Performance Pack, mechanical LSD etc in 2012,... "build quality" you ain't wrong, the door hinges are that big you could hang a tram on ém!
Fast?.....VERY fast!
Pickles.

[Toxic_Avenger]

I've thought that if I ever needed to have a 'sensible' car, I would own the heck outta a fast German wagon. Specifically a C63 AMG estate.
Traffic light drags with a boot full of kidlets would never be the same again :twisted: !

[Shoogs]

[*=center]
I'll second that, we bought a new one with Performance Pack, mechanical LSD etc in 2012,... "build quality" you ain't wrong, the door hinges are that big you could hang a tram on ém!


Fast?.....VERY fast!
Pickles.

Have had the pleasure of an E and C 63 over the years, ridiculously capable vehicles, now its nix, sans a Camel in storage...

[Tins]

GTR. GTR. GTR. Any time. Any place. GTR.



However, I'd be happy with the first FIAT 124 Sport I ever owned. Not fast. Not quick. Handled like a 1970 car. Braked like a 1965 car.

BUT. Looked like a Ferrari, sounded fan-bleeding-tastic, revved into the stratosphere, and was, above all else, FUN.

Of course, there was reliability. Every car I've had, before or since, was better. Even the Discos. But I'd have it back today in a heartbeat.



Anyway. GTR. And no, I do NOT mean a Torana.

[Toxic_Avenger]

R32?

[Pickles2]

GTR. GTR. GTR. Any time. Any place. GTR.



However, I'd be happy with the first FIAT 124 Sport I ever owned. Not fast. Not quick. Handled like a 1970 car. Braked like a 1965 car.

BUT. Looked like a Ferrari, sounded fan-bleeding-tastic, revved into the stratosphere, and was, above all else, FUN.

Of course, there was reliability. Every car I've had, before or since, was better. Even the Discos. But I'd have it back today in a heartbeat.



Anyway. GTR. And no, I do NOT mean a Torana.
Yes, the GTR is a seriously fast car, I've actually had the pleasure of driving one, but would you believe it, on the day that it was arranged it was raining, so speeds not so good.
The base edition today is the one I would go for, nothing comes close for the price, and my very limited driving ability would prevent me from discerning any difference to the two upper models anyway!
Pickles.

[DiscoMick]

Fiesta rally car?