Just Copped a pineapple

[Koukandowie Brangus]

Well it seems i just copped another pineapple from a dealer over here in Coffs Harbour. Had a bit of an issue with SWMBO's Disco 3 dropping into limp mode whenever the gearbox was under big load otherwise it drives fine. I had the sump changed to the steel pan a few years ago and was getting regular oil changes so i dropped it into the stealer against my better judgement as i have worked for manufacturers before and understand the value of factory training and having the right diagnostic equipment. This time however i should have just set fire to the $528 it cost me to get the car back. I explained my complete outrage at the cost of downloading the codes and was politely told that they checked the wiring and made sure there were no electrical faults. I explained that if it were an electrical problem wouldn't it happen all the time not only under load but this fell on deaf ears. So all i got for my money was a print out of the codes and them to tell me that i need a new gearbox which they then proceeded to quote me $18 000. I told em this was a *&^%$ joke and it would make the car uneconomical to repair, but again it fell on deaf ears. Anyway after having calmed down and taken my business elsewhere i have dropped the car off at an Autotrans place and will await the outcome of someone actually having a look inside and see what the damage is.
Sorry for the rant but sometimes it just disappoints me taking my car to the specialists for them to just want to be robots/monkeys and just change components, something i could even do.
Does anyone recomend somewhere to buy a new box and what sort of price range am i looking at? Just want to be prepared for a worse case scenario.

Thanks

[mrs]

Well it seems i just copped another pineapple from a dealer over here in Coffs Harbour. Had a bit of an issue with SWMBO's Disco 3 dropping into limp mode whenever the gearbox was under big load otherwise it drives fine. I had the sump changed to the steel pan a few years ago and was getting regular oil changes so i dropped it into the stealer against my better judgement as i have worked for manufacturers before and understand the value of factory training and having the right diagnostic equipment. This time however i should have just set fire to the $528 it cost me to get the car back. I explained my complete outrage at the cost of downloading the codes and was politely told that they checked the wiring and made sure there were no electrical faults. I explained that if it were an electrical problem wouldn't it happen all the time not only under load but this fell on deaf ears. So all i got for my money was a print out of the codes and them to tell me that i need a new gearbox which they then proceeded to quote me $18 000. I told em this was a *&^%$ joke and it would make the car uneconomical to repair, but again it fell on deaf ears. Anyway after having calmed down and taken my business elsewhere i have dropped the car off at an Autotrans place and will await the outcome of someone actually having a look inside and see what the damage is.
Sorry for the rant but sometimes it just disappoints me taking my car to the specialists for them to just want to be robots/monkeys and just change components, something i could even do.
Does anyone recomend somewhere to buy a new box and what sort of price range am i looking at? Just want to be prepared for a worse case scenario.

Thanks
I've heard so many stories over the last few years of people with all brands of cars having auto issues and being told the auto is stuffed by the dealer and the only fix is thousands for a new box and they decide to take it to a decent repare place only to find it was a few hundred dollars for a valve that sticks when it is hot or a faulty sensor or similar

[Homestar]

Unfortunatly the Dealers will consider the trans just another part to be fitted if the computer says so. Dealers have no diagnostic skills now beyond this and the mechanics are basically parts swappers. I would doubt they would have any idea of what actually happens between the engine and tyres to be honest.

To add insult to injury, I'd be surprised if anyone higher than a 1st or 2nd year apprentice did the job - there's usually 4 of them for every fully qualified mechanics in these places all being 'supervised' of course...

[Russrobe]

Just get it rebuilt. Should cost around $4k to $5k . Will need to get the torque converter checked out too add a bit more for that. Mine was done at 198k kms now drives like brand new. ZF themselves do rebuilds for extra piece of mind. Mine was done by a auto trans shop in Perth.

[cripesamighty]

x2.

[AnD3rew]

Yep, agree no real mechanics with diagnostic skills in dealers at all these days. They plug in the computer and replace parts. That's it. You have to go to specialists or good independents to find someone who knows how to diagnose and problem solve. This is good for warranty stuff, might as well have a new bit instead of a repaired bit. But out of warranty forget the dealers.

[Ferret]

..So all i got for my money was a print out of the codes and them to tell me that i need a new gearbox

What were the codes?

[Tombie]

Depending on the codes may just be the mechatronic unit.

[Stuart02]

Just get it rebuilt. Should cost around $4k to $5k . Will need to get the torque converter checked out too add a bit more for that. Mine was done at 198k kms now drives like brand new. ZF themselves do rebuilds for extra piece of mind. Mine was done by a auto trans shop in Perth.
Yeah maybe less (!) even - I've been quoted $3500 for a rebuild. $18k is outrageous!!

I once had an Indie charge me $400 to do a job I didn't ask them to do and could have done myself with the nanocom. WTF?!

[PeterJ]

...........Does anyone recomend somewhere to buy a new box and what sort of price range am i looking at? Just want to be prepared for a worse case scenario.

Thanks

Sorry to hear of your woes, and I certainly know where you are coming from regarding proper diagnosis of problems. To answer your question, try Grant Rattenbury from A&B Automotive Remanufacturing in Victoria. I do not have first hand knowledge of their work, perhaps others can comment but I have spoken to him on a different 8 speed issue, and as I understand it A&B are ZF authorised fix-er-upperers so that has got to be worth something.

Goodluck.................Peter

[Oztourer]

I got my trans fully rebuilt (mechatronics, valve block, torque converter) for around $7500. Not all the work needed doing however as the box needed to be pretty much stripped down anyway, I decided to put the extra bucks in to a full rebuild. Dealer I bought the car from paid for some, extended warranty some and I paid the rest. Dantrans in Bankstown, Sydney did the work. He knows Landys and ZF's well. Good luck with it.

[carlschmid2002]

ZF were doing a deal last year for $6000 for a full rebuild. It may not need that. I would get it done by ZF if it needs doing. Take it to a LR specialist, not a dealer.

[Pierre]

I'd second the referral to A&B in Dandenong South. Grant is a delightful bloke, helpful and straight down the line and as mentioned they are ZF specialists.

Organize the rebuild with him.

Good luck
Pete

[PeterOZ]

anybody reccomend a good ZF specialist in Brisbane?


I have had the steel pan done and has had regular services / doyuble flushes done but the D3 now has 220,900 km on it so at some stage I am thinking it will need doing.


Interestingly last 2 times I have been on the beach with it and it was under load I got HDC fault and it wint into limp mode. Cleared it stright away by the old lock / unlock 3 times trick.


Have replaced the brake light switch and will also be getting genuine LR brake light globes as have read both can cause these issues.


Or it could be the trans getting long in the tooth.


cheers
Peter

[Piddler]

anybody reccomend a good ZF specialist in Brisbane?


I have had the steel pan done and has had regular services / doyuble flushes done but the D3 now has 220,900 km on it so at some stage I am thinking it will need doing.


Interestingly last 2 times I have been on the beach with it and it was under load I got HDC fault and it wint into limp mode. Cleared it stright away by the old lock / unlock 3 times trick.


Have replaced the brake light switch and will also be getting genuine LR brake light globes as have read both can cause these issues.


Or it could be the trans getting long in the tooth.


cheers
Peter

Have a look on ZF website, there agents around Australia are listed there or ring ZF Australia and ask them who they would recommend.

Cheers

[PeterOZ]

Will do. Cheers

[Piddler]

Will do. Cheers

Below looks like Brisbane people from ZF Website
zf.com.au (http://www.zf.com.au/)

Triple Eight Race Engineering



Depot Street 40
BANYO 4014
Australia



Phone0061-7-36357000
E-mailCustomerSupport@tripleeight.com.au


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anybody reccomend a good ZF specialist in Brisbane?


I have had the steel pan done and has had regular services / doyuble flushes done but the D3 now has 220,900 km on it so at some stage I am thinking it will need doing.


Interestingly last 2 times I have been on the beach with it and it was under load I got HDC fault and it wint into limp mode. Cleared it stright away by the old lock / unlock 3 times trick.


Have replaced the brake light switch and will also be getting genuine LR brake light globes as have read both can cause these issues.


Or it could be the trans getting long in the tooth.


cheers
Peter


Pete
By all accounts I've read the 6HP26 is a very good transmission. But ZF told me they can need a rebuild at 100,000 km or 400,000km. I have seen a early D3 still going strong with 340,000km and never had a trans service.

Mine had a service every 100,000km and was still going strong at 240,000 until the output spline stripped as probably no grease had been applied when assembled.

Western Suburbs Transmissions at Rocklea have had some good feedback on here and by my own mechanic. Maybe get them a call.

[PeterOZ]

Thanks for replies. At this stage it is still going quite well and I will temper my driver on the beach so I do't put it under too much stress. Low range and use auto which a few have recommended to me.


Think it is due for a trans service in about 40 or 50 thou but need to check my invoices for last time it was done. Oct 2013 rings a bell perhaps about 170,000km on the clock then and now is about 221,000km.


I'm rather pleased with it actually. :D