H.S.V. W1 474KW Supercar released.

[Pickles2]

Today, the long awaited (by some of us) HSV Supercar, the "W1" was released.
With the ending of Commodore production in October this year, this will be the last "special" produced by H.S.V., and it is indeed special.
It is powered by the legendary GM LS9 engine producing an awesome 474KW & 815NM, this engine previously only having been seen in the Corvette ZR1.
I think about 300 will be produced, HSV say RRP is $170K, but that is NOT "driveaway", which IMHO will be $200K+.
Pickles.

[Mick_Marsh]

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/1701/hsv-gtsr-w1-revealed


Why call it the W1? Does this mean there will be a W2?

[Don 130]

Yep 300, and they're all sold
Don

[DiscoMick]

Lovely car, but an indulgent waste of money, I think. How many homeless Aussies could be housed for 300 x $200,000?

[weeds]

Lovely car, but an indulgent waste of money, I think. How many homeless Aussies could be housed for 300 x $200,000?



What's housing homeless got to do with buying a car privately???.....if the government was purchasing than i could see a link.....

A lot of people say buying a Land Rover is waste of money

[Homestar]

Lovely car, but an indulgent waste of money, I think. How many homeless Aussies could be housed for 300 x $200,000?

Keep this sort of thing in CA please, it has nothing to do with the thread and the discussion here shouldn't go down that track.

[101RRS]

Yep 300, and they're all sold
Don

Cashed up Bogans

I cannot see these being a Classic - (Classic waste of money).

The high priced HOs, Chargers E49s and Toranas are classics only because they underpinned the Muscle car era and Series Production at the time.

Maybe we should have all bought the Mitsubishi 380 as it was the last of the line there - I think not. What about the last Camry - lets get them.

Nah - overpriced.

[Homestar]

According to a report I was listening to today, there were over 800 orders for the 300 vehicles. You'd think being the last of its kind, they could have made 1000 of them - they'd still all have sold and they'll still end up super collectable and who knows, Holden may have actually made a quid on the way out the door off them.

Gotta say though, VERY NICE! :)

[PAT303]

Nice to see the Australian tax payers dollars being put to good use:mad:.Good bye and good riddance Foulden. Pat

[Homestar]

Cashed up Bogans

I cannot see these being a Classic - (Classic waste of money).

The high priced HOs, Chargers E49s and Toranas are classics only because they underpinned the Muscle car era and Series Production at the time.

Maybe we should have all bought the Mitsubishi 380 as it was the last of the line there - I think not. What about the last Camry - lets get them.

Nah - overpriced.

You're obviously not not the target demographic then Garry? :D

If CUB's buy them now, then CUB's will buy them later...

It's a Commodore maaate! Fully sick Bro!

[V8Ian]

One thing for sure, if I had a lazy hundred and seventy kay, I wouldn't be dropping it on a tarted up taxi.

[trog]

One thing for sure, if I had a lazy hundred and seventy kay, I wouldn't be dropping it on a tarted up taxi.

Plus other costs , this would put a nice payment down on the mortgage. Easier to live in the flat than a car.

[Mick_Marsh]

I rang a dealer today. Yep, I've missed out.
Would I have one? Yep.

I need my big shed first. Good job GG is building one for me.

[AllTerr]

Ehh for that kinda cash you could buy a GTR and blow its doors off

[pop058]

Ehh for that kinda cash you could buy a GTR and blow its doors off

yes and no :p

[ramblingboy42]

yes, I could buy a fully restored Dino.

[Pickles2]

Cashed up Bogans

I cannot see these being a Classic - (Classic waste of money).

The high priced HOs, Chargers E49s and Toranas are classics only because they underpinned the Muscle car era and Series Production at the time.

Maybe we should have all bought the Mitsubishi 380 as it was the last of the line there - I think not. What about the last Camry - lets get them.

Nah - overpriced.
Not at all.
That is simply your opinion, you are entitled to it of course, but you are obviously not an enthusiast.
Depends what your interests are I suppose. I don't think I would've bought one either, but it's a damn fine car, with some damn fine Aussie engineering behind it, and it is the LAST one,...that alone makes it special,...maybe not to you, but to Aussie car enthusiasts who've got the dollars, it is special.
A friend of mine will actually be getting one, ..loves his toys, late thirties/early forties, but he runs a successful business, works VERY hard & long hours, and He ain't no Bogan.
Pickles.

[steane]

It's pretty damn special and Holden/HSV can be very proud of the last of the Commodores.

It'll be a huge collector car. Last, biggest, fastest and best.

Respect:cool:

[V8Ian]

Ehh for that kinda cash you could buy a GTR and blow its doors off

And have change. ;)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=119240&d=1485944468

[Pickles2]

Ehh for that kinda cash you could buy a GTR and blow its doors off
You could indeed buy a GTR, which is a totally different vehicle, it is a sportscar, & a very fine one, but it has a very limited application, and ac carry only two people,..it also has enormous maintenance requirements, and it will have nowhere near the retained value of this car.
Wanna drive to Sydney & back?,....Having driven a GTR, I know which one I'd rather be in.
Pickles.

[Pickles2]

It's pretty damn special and Holden/HSV can be very proud of the last of the Commodores.

It'll be a huge collector car. Last, biggest, fastest and best.

Respect:cool:
Spot on in all respects.
Brilliant engineering by an Aussie company, who have produced an amazing car, with amazing performance & features, much cheaper than similar Euro cars which might be able to stay with it.
"Respect"?...absolutely, for many reasons.
Pickles.

[V8Ian]

Spot on in all respects.
Brilliant engineering by an Aussie company, who have produced an amazing car, with amazing performance & features, much cheaper than similar Euro cars which might be able to stay with it.
"Respect"?...absolutely, for many reasons.
Pickles.
Young Aussie males have been jamming big engines in mundane family sedans for generations.
One young bloke, who could drive a bit, got a Holden motor into an A30. That's "Brilliant engineering" that deserves "Respect".
Knock a hundred grand of the W1 and you've still got an overpriced taxi.

[Mick_Marsh]

Young Aussie males have been jamming big engines in mundane family sedans for generations.
One young bloke, who could drive a bit, got a Holden motor into an A30. That's "Brilliant engineering" that deserves "Respect".
Knock a hundred grand of the W1 and you've still got an overpriced taxi.
The GTS/R was. It was painted yellow.
The W1 won't be painted taxi yellow, therefore, not a taxi.

[V8Ian]

The GTS/R was. It was painted yellow.
The W1 won't be painted taxi yellow, therefore, not a taxi.
Uber? :D

[Mick_Marsh]

Uber? :D
What a giggle.

Hey, Ian, Uber bus?

[Sitec]

Sorry, but I think its overpriced too. There have been so many 'special' Commodore's of late that they all look similar. The 'Storm' for example.. Fancy wheels, fancy name, and white! It needed to look very different if it was to be a true 'special'. Just my opinion tho. :)

[Fifth Columnist]

If I was buying a super-car I'd want something that looked like a super-car.
That doesn't.

[101RRS]

That is simply your opinion, you are entitled to it of course, but you are obviously not an enthusiast.


Yes it is my opinion - not an enthusiast - well not so sure about that - you don't know me and what toys I have - if it was $100K cheaper at around $100k on the road - yep would be a good buy.

garry

[V8Ian]

If I was buying a super-car I'd want something that looked like a super-car.
That doesn't.
Graft in a big engine, add a lick of paint and you've got a supercar. ;)

[Fifth Columnist]

Graft in a big engine, add a lick of paint and you've got a supercar. ;)
Still looks like any family saloon. Only the exhaust note would turn heads.

[V8Ian]

Still looks like any family saloon. Only the exhaust note would turn heads.
In my day it was the wrong heads. :(:nazilock:

[PAT303]

Spot on in all respects.
Brilliant engineering by an Aussie company, who have produced an amazing car, with amazing performance & features, much cheaper than similar Euro cars which might be able to stay with it.
"Respect"?...absolutely, for many reasons.
Pickles.

Sorry Pickles but there isn't any brilliant engineering in the commodore.I was in the suspension department when the engineers decided to removed the upper link from the original German designed suspension with the VT bomberdoor.The result of this caused the VT rear suspension to have excessive camber and from the VS on wards to have really bad bump steer,I have plenty more examples of 'olden ''brilliant engineering''.A supercar is a marriage of all the best in vehicle attributes,steering,braking,handling,power.A family car made from parts from the cheapest supplier with a crate motor shoved in the front has none of those. Pat

[Pickles2]

Yes it is my opinion - not an enthusiast - well not so sure about that - you don't know me and what toys I have - if it was $100K cheaper at around $100k on the road - yep would be a good buy.

garry
Do you own a Jaguar?
I seem to remember you're not too keen on the current Mustang either?
No one is saying it's a "good buy".
What it is, is the very last "special" from HSV, fully engineered by them, and they have made a world class, very fast, 4 door Sedan, which will be a most rewarding purchase for expectant owners.
Sure, it ain't for everyone, but I'd expect recognition & respect for what it is, from anyone who has investigated what R & D has gone into the W1, whether it appeals to them, or not.
There are plenty of awesome vehicles on the road, they're not for me, but I hope I can recognize & appreciate something special, even if it's not to my taste.
I might add that I'm on a few Aussie Forums that are into V8s etc, and when I talk about Gracie, our 90, although with only 90kw, it's not for them,they appreciate the vehicle for what it is & what it means to Wifey & I.
Some will buy a Range Rover SVR for what $250K+, some will buy a Lambo for $800k+,.....and some will buy a W1,...me?...I like & appreciate all of em.
Pickles.

[101RRS]

but I'd expect recognition & respect for what it is,

an overpriced dunnydore

[Pickles2]

an overpriced dunnydore
Lol.
But, you didn't answer my question,...???
Pickles.

[jerryd]

Young Aussie males have been jamming big engines in mundane family sedans for generations.
One young bloke, who could drive a bit, got a Holden motor into an A30. That's "Brilliant engineering" that deserves "Respect".
Knock a hundred grand of the W1 and you've still got an overpriced taxi.

Old males have been doing the same Ian ;) A friend of mine has shoe horned a Holden V6 into a crashed Austin Healey and done an amazing job. Not for the purists but it does drive as good and has more power !!
You can read about it here :)

Peter Linn's Holden (Australian GM) V6 powered 1955 Austin Healey 100 (http://www.britishv8.org/Other/PeterLinn.htm)

[Slunnie]

Still looks like any family saloon. Only the exhaust note would turn heads.
Thats funny!

On the other hand, people who have a clue, the noise of the supercharger is what will turn heads!

[Pickles2]

yes, I could buy a fully restored Dino.
G'Day Rambling.
Mate, I don't think so!
You're a bit out of date my friend, those things are currently going for over twice the price of a W1,....and would I buy one, if I had the dollars, no it's not my type of car, I like a bigger engine with more grunt,(maybe a 599 which would also be much cheaper!)...but more to the point relative to some on here,...do I appreciate it?,....Of course I do,..it's a classic.
I went to Motorclassica this year, saw all sorts of cars, all with their merits, and some with their faults,...me?, I loved 'em all.
Regards, Pickles.

[Disco-tastic]

According to a report I was listening to today, there were over 800 orders for the 300 vehicles. You'd think being the last of its kind, they could have made 1000 of them - they'd still all have sold and they'll still end up super collectable and who knows, Holden may have actually made a quid on the way out the door off them.

Gotta say though, VERY NICE! :)

Production is apparently limited due to GM America only shipping 300 motors to Oz

[Redback]

Production is apparently limited due to GM America only shipping 300 motors to Oz

So when it's all said and done, it's an American car, not Australian, if it was, they probably would have made more;)

[Pickles2]

According to a report I was listening to today, there were over 800 orders for the 300 vehicles. You'd think being the last of its kind, they could have made 1000 of them - they'd still all have sold and they'll still end up super collectable and who knows, Holden may have actually made a quid on the way out the door off them.

Gotta say though, VERY NICE! :)
You're right there Gav, there were at least 800 orders, and as Disco has said, yes, the VERY special LS9 engine built for the ZR1 Corvette was/is in short supply. I think there was some doubt that they would be able to source 300 engines, obviously they have.
I'm not sure how the Holden/HSV thing works on profit for these cars, but I think HSV would be the major beneficiary.
HSV have priced the car at a very reasonable $170K,(I reckon they could've added at least another $30K)...well that is the RRP, but by the time "other charges" go on, driveaway appears to be over $200K. When we bought our new AMG C63 a few years ago, ,I did the calculation then, and a third of the driveaway price was made up by some form of "tax"/"duty" etc,...just the way it is.
Of course the "W1" is only one of the 2017 range recently released, there is the GTSR, GTSR Malloo etc,..all in great demand. Whilst things have been ok for HSV sinse the release of the Supercharged LSA engined GTS, there have been "deals" to be had with substantial discount. There will be little or no discount on the new range, in fact, I reckon that the closer we come to the end of Commodore production in October, there will be premiums to be paid, and some people will miss out altogether.
I'm sure you heard about the Holden release, the Motorsport, the Magnum, and unbelievably the "Director". Having known P.B. very well, and been around HDT when "THE" Director became the most well known car in Aussie, I would never have believed that Holden would use this name. They say "time heals all wounds"?
Regards, Pickles.

[PAT303]

You can buy LS9 crate engines for $20,000 Aus plus freight direct from the US,I don't know why GM would only release 300 of them because a two minute search found plenty for sale.In regards to it being from the ZR1 'vette,the engine in the ZR1 was made by Lotus in the UK and shipped to the US,the LS9 is just the LS7 with a supercharger.So if you want a W1 it's easy,buy a garish coloured HSV,buy second hand because they are worth nothing after 3 years,so 35K for a low millage HSV,20K for a motor,another 10K for everything else and your done,a W1 for $65,000. Pat

[Geedublya]

You can buy LS9 crate engines for $20,000 Aus plus freight direct from the US,I don't know why GM would only release 300 of them because a two minute search found plenty for sale.In regards to it being from the ZR1 'vette,the engine in the ZR1 was made by Lotus in the UK and shipped to the US,the LS9 is just the LS7 with a supercharger.So if you want a W1 it's easy,buy a garish coloured HSV,buy second hand because they are worth nothing after 3 years,so 35K for a low millage HSV,20K for a motor,another 10K for everything else and your done,a W1 for $65,000. Pat

I looked and couldn't find any low milage F Gen for $35K. Cheapest F Gen are Maloo utes all above $40K. HSV GTS F Gens start at $60K.

I agree it is very expensive at $170K plus but it is cheap compared to some of the other cars offering similar performance.

[pop058]

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/1701/hsv-gtsr-w1-revealed


Why call it the W1? Does this mean there will be a W2?

As a guess, I think it maybe homage to Tom and W2 may be an opening for Ryan.

[V8Ian]

You can buy LS9 crate engines for $20,000 Aus plus freight direct from the US,I don't know why GM would only release 300 of them because a two minute search found plenty for sale.In regards to it being from the ZR1 'vette,the engine in the ZR1 was made by Lotus in the UK and shipped to the US,the LS9 is just the LS7 with a supercharger.So if you want a W1 it's easy,buy a garish coloured HSV,buy second hand because they are worth nothing after 3 years,so 35K for a low millage HSV,20K for a motor,another 10K for everything else and your done,a W1 for $65,000. Pat
Still too dear for a Dunnydoor. :(

[Pickles2]

You can buy LS9 crate engines for $20,000 Aus plus freight direct from the US,I don't know why GM would only release 300 of them because a two minute search found plenty for sale.In regards to it being from the ZR1 'vette,the engine in the ZR1 was made by Lotus in the UK and shipped to the US,the LS9 is just the LS7 with a supercharger.So if you want a W1 it's easy,buy a garish coloured HSV,buy second hand because they are worth nothing after 3 years,so 35K for a low millage HSV,20K for a motor,another 10K for everything else and your done,a W1 for $65,000. Pat
The LS9 is an iimportant part of the W1, a VERY important part, but it's not the only part.
If you care to investigate the R&D behind not only the W1, but any car, if it is to be a car like it's predecessor, the GTS, which incidentally has been universally described by 100% of the Aussie motoring press, as the best Aussie muscle car, EVER,...not my words,...ya can read it anywhere, if ya want to, but if you did have any knowledge at all about what goes into a car like the GTS or the W1, or the Falcon GT with it's Aussie designed supercharged engine, ya'd know it ain't just about dropping in an engine, ..if that is your view, you are of course entitled to it.
The LS9 has a dry sump, the plumbing/installation behind that is complex, as are all of the additional coolers for the transmission, diff etc....check out how many additional coolers are involved,....ya can check that out too, but ya probably won't.
The GTS was driven around Winton by John Bowe & compared with the E63 AMG,..costing twice as much,..you can check what Bowey said,...and He is, if you know him, someone who says it how it is.
The W1 is a step up again from the GTS,..even quicker, and so it should be.
Mate, your comment "The LS9 is just the LS7 with a supercharger" is absolute rubbish, and exhibits that you have really done your research!!..Yeah right. The LS7 is actually a 7 litre engine, with TOTALLY different internals to the 6.2L LS9,...it's a different engine. You could check that out too....if ya're interested.
If ya're interested ya could also by Wheels magazine out today, Motor will probably be better when it comes out.
But Pat, ya know what, I feel that you won't believe anything I've said, or definitely more importantly than anything I have to say, what Australia's best motoring press has to say,... but I'm cool with that.
All is good, Pickles.

[PAT303]

Just winding you up mate,it's all good:D.But seriously you could build one of these quite easily. Pat

[Pickles2]

Just winding you up mate,it's all good:D.But seriously you could build one of these quite easily. Pat
Lol!!
Thanks Pat.
And of course, you are right, you could build something up with similar, or even better performance.
But it's the fact that it's a "Factory" car that gives it "cred",...just like the GTHO I guess,..plenty of faster "Replicas" around, well not even replicas in some cases, just faster XYs, but it's the original XY GTHO that has the "cred". Hopefully people that buy this car will see some of that.
We've had a few V8s, the best one being our AMG C63, but if the supercharged HSV GTS had been around then we probably would've bought that,..at half the price.
We don't have a V8 any more but Wifey has an Audi RS3, which accelerates quicker than our C63!
What sort of V8s have you owned?
Pickles.

[Disco-tastic]

Just heard today (from the FIL of the manager of a local dealer) that the Driveaway price for these is $230k. He still sold 3 this week.

[Pickles2]

Just heard today (from the FIL of the manager of a local dealer) that the Driveaway price for these is $230k. He still sold 3 this week.
Yes, I've heard that too, but there are also reports of lesser & higher pricing,...I think dealers are naming their own price in some instances.
There will be a lot more info concerning this car in the Press in the coming months, but if anyone has access to the Herald Sun "CarsGuide", there is a short precis on the W1 on pages 12 & 13, including a description of some of the hurdles encountered by HSV in getting this project to reality.
Pickles.

[BMKal]

Not for me at anywhere near that price thanks. :p

I have to agree with Pat's comment that they are really just a pumped up Commodore (Taxi) and I can't see the justification for spending anywhere near that kind of money. You would need access to a race track to be able to unleash anywhere near its full capacity ....................... and most people don't have access to a racetrack.

But I have no problem with whatever choice anyone else makes in a motor car .................... some of my mates bag me for buying a Land Rover. ;)

A mate of mine in Perth bought one of the HSV GTS models when they first came out. I've been for a drive in it - very impressive grunt and technology - even had just about every racetrack in Australia programmed into it's on-board computer system so that it could tell you how well you drove each "track" ..................... if you could ever get access to a track and could be bothered. My mate actually does have access to a couple of well known tracks around the country, given that he races on them regularly with another car he owns, but even he never got to drive the superfast taxi on any of them. He has since sold it ..................... for considerably more than what he paid for it off the showroom floor ...................... so yes, they do seem to go up in value in the eyes of some. :D

I just had to have a quiet chuckle at the mention of the "VERY" special LS9 being a "VERY" important part of the W1. Not having a go at you Pickles ............................ just reminded me of "VERY" special agent Anthony DiNozzo .................................... you aren't an NCIS fan by any chance, are you. :p

Speaking of desirable Aussie muscle cars ........................... many years ago, I owned a GTHO. It was an XW (which I prefer to the XY) ......................... wish I still had it, even if only for the dollars I could now sell it for. :D

[Pickles2]

BMKal, never owned an HO, but I did own an A9X, before which I knocked back another A9X,...for $10K,...same car just sold for $260K!!....I've never seemed to make any money on cars, in fact I normally lose,...the only exception being a very long time ago when I bought an absolutely immaculate one owner 1951 Ford Twin Spinner for $300, and after a few years of ownership, I sold it for $750!!
Re the LS9, well yes it is special, previously only used in the Corvette ZR1, and when I initially heard HSV would put one in a Commodore, I said no way, it'll never happen,..too much engine for a Commodore, so I was dead wrong there.
"NCIS",...no don't watch it regularly, so no connection there!
Pickles.

[rangieman]

Lol.
But, you didn't answer my question,...???
Pickles.

Maybe he is ashamed to admit that a mass produced 5.3 litres of Pommy V12 is more of a collectors car than a run of 300 over priced P o s dunnydores:eek:.
Sorry i worked for 19 years at their Proving Ground and its a boring over priced P o s .
Will it be collectable yes would i own one NO each to their own;)

[Pickles2]

Maybe he is ashamed to admit that a mass produced 5.3 litres of Pommy V12 is more of a collectors car than a run of 300 over priced P o s dunnydores:eek:.
Sorry i worked for 19 years at their Proving Ground and its a boring over priced P o s .
Will it be collectable yes would i own one NO each to their own;)
I've been to the proving ground on several occasions,...even took my A9X around the oval "speed bowl". I've had a few other V8s around there as well, & also ridden in a red Camaro that was under review there.
A young guy I knew who was working on auto electrics with Holden was also stationed there,...he loved it, but He was unfortunately retrenched with many others.
As far as the E Type is concerned, V12?..nice car, I would rather have the V12 myself, but it is not as collectible as the 6 cyl version, particularly the early 3.8 versions.
Pickles.

[rangieman]

I've been to the proving ground on several occasions,...even took my A9X around the oval "speed bowl". I've had a few other V8s around there as well, & also ridden in a red Camaro that was under review there.
A young guy I knew who was working on auto electrics with Holden was also stationed there,...he loved it, but He was unfortunately retrenched with many others.
As far as the E Type is concerned, V12?..nice car, I would rather have the V12 myself, but it is not as collectible as the 6 cyl version, particularly the early 3.8 versions.
Pickles.

E type of course yes but you will find what garry has is far from a collectable in terms of a E type in my opinion;)
This young fella you knew was he a short fellow ;) If is who im thinking of he had alot to do with the radios:cool:

[Pickles2]

E type of course yes but you will find what garry has is far from a collectable in terms of a E type in my opinion;)
This young fella you knew was he a short fellow ;) If is who im thinking of he had alot to do with the radios:cool:
I think He may be secretly keen on the new Mustang,....Lol.
Lang Lang?....No, not short, but absolutely LOVED being there, being a totally committed Holden person, like his family.
"Collectible"?...to be honest, that aspect of a vehicle purchase has never concerned me one iota,....if I'm able to buy it I do, and I enjoy it while I have it. Wifey's ok with that,...she says well at least you get something back, if you were into gambling etc, ya get nothing back.
Funnily enough, the best car "investment" We've ever made, may be our '13 Defender 90!
Pickles.

[PAT303]

Lol!!
Thanks Pat.
And of course, you are right, you could build something up with similar, or even better performance.
But it's the fact that it's a "Factory" car that gives it "cred",...just like the GTHO I guess,..plenty of faster "Replicas" around, well not even replicas in some cases, just faster XYs, but it's the original XY GTHO that has the "cred". Hopefully people that buy this car will see some of that.
We've had a few V8s, the best one being our AMG C63, but if the supercharged HSV GTS had been around then we probably would've bought that,..at half the price.
We don't have a V8 any more but Wifey has an Audi RS3, which accelerates quicker than our C63!
What sort of V8s have you owned?
Pickles.
Two,the mighty 3.9 in the D1 but years ago an L34 spec 308 in a one tonner.I stupidly fitted a full spool sals,bloody thing never drove straight,in the wet it was seriously dangerous.I ended up swapping it out for a slippery diff and sold it to my elder brother.Between us we got it running sweet,it started first kick and idled smooth,not an easy thing to do,but got the bug for an LC Tori with a 186 fitted with a yella terra head,twin strombergs and XU1 spec cam,that thing hauled arse but ran rough,the cam spec made them that way.We had lots of stuff like that back then,even weird combinations like a 202 in a Corona,it worked except the driveshaft wasn't parallel so at certain rev's it felt like riding a vibrator :o.Those were the days. Pat

[Pickles2]

Two,the mighty 3.9 in the D1 but years ago an L34 spec 308 in a one tonner.I stupidly fitted a full spool sals,bloody thing never drove straight,in the wet it was seriously dangerous.I ended up swapping it out for a slippery diff and sold it to my elder brother.Between us we got it running sweet,it started first kick and idled smooth,not an easy thing to do,but got the bug for an LC Tori with a 186 fitted with a yella terra head,twin strombergs and XU1 spec cam,that thing hauled arse but ran rough,the cam spec made them that way.We had lots of stuff like that back then,even weird combinations like a 202 in a Corona,it worked except the driveshaft wasn't parallel so at certain rev's it felt like riding a vibrator :o.Those were the days. Pat
I am very familiar with all of that, and more, but,....202 in a Corona?,....nope, never came across that one.
Pickles.

[101RRS]

Maybe he is ashamed to admit that a mass produced 5.3 litres of Pommy V12 is more of a collectors car than a run of 300 over priced P o s dunnydores:eek:.


Well no - just because some random on a forum asks a question doesnt mean there is an obligation to answer.

I know what I own and I am happy with them.

[rar110]

If I had the cash to park it in a garage with a bunch of other driver options I would buy one. If it wasn't the last I probably wouldn't. IMHO, being only 300, that car with matching engine trans and chassis will be worth more than $200k in the near future.

[steane]

Sorry Pickles but there isn't any brilliant engineering in the commodore.I was in the suspension department when the engineers decided to removed the upper link from the original German designed suspension with the VT bomberdoor.The result of this caused the VT rear suspension to have excessive camber and from the VS on wards to have really bad bump steer,I have plenty more examples of 'olden ''brilliant engineering''.A supercar is a marriage of all the best in vehicle attributes,steering,braking,handling,power.A family car made from parts from the cheapest supplier with a crate motor shoved in the front has none of those. Pat

That was 1000 years ago Pat! These latest beasts are a different ball game. Holden engineers have plenty of respect in motoring circles these days. Probably got their act together shortly after you left...:p

[carlschmid2002]

I wish I didn't have to sell my F6 Typhoon to buy my D4. I love Aussie muscle cars and these last ones are some f the best but $200K is a lot. My F6 was $65K plus onroads. I paid $52K and I didn't sell it for much less than that but the build quality is not European. I hope Holden and HSV bolt them together well for the price they are asking.

[Pickles2]

I wish I didn't have to sell my F6 Typhoon to buy my D4. I love Aussie muscle cars and these last ones are some f the best but $200K is a lot. My F6 was $65K plus onroads. I paid $52K and I didn't sell it for much less than that but the build quality is not European. I hope Holden and HSV bolt them together well for the price they are asking.
Ford did a superb job with their 6 cyl engine. Very good power & torque in the later versions, and jeez, some of the modified ones with big turbos etc, just crazy.
I had a ride in a modified F6, it was owned by the F & I guy from where we bought our RS Focus (very fast little car!). As soon as we entered the street, He put the pedal to the metal, & we were sideways for a "considerable" distance!! He also owned a VERY much modified XR5, and was quite happy to give me the boot fittings from his XR5, in exchange for the pump & goo which is what ya got with the RS, so that I could install a full sized spare!
It's amazing how things change. I now enjoy our 90, but Wifey now has the "quick" car, she has an Audi RS3 Quattro, 270KW & 465NM,..she's very happy,...I can't believe how happy I am with 90KW!!
Pickles.

[Pickles2]

Well no - just because some random on a forum asks a question doesnt mean there is an obligation to answer.

I know what I own and I am happy with them.
Oh no, that means I'll never know when you buy that Mustang,...Lol.
Pickles.

[Pickles2]

If I had the cash to park it in a garage with a bunch of other driver options I would buy one. If it wasn't the last I probably wouldn't. IMHO, being only 300, that car with matching engine trans and chassis will be worth more than $200k in the near future.
Agree.
I won't be getting one either!,...but I know a few that are, and they are guys that don't have to worry about a dollar. One guy comes to mind, early forties, runs his own very successful business, & loves his toys, motor bikes, boats, race cars etc,..he loves 'em all,..."Big Boys Toys" I think?....and I think most will be bought by people like this. IMHO, if ya do have to worry about the dollars, then you definitely should not be thinking about buying stuff like this.
Pickles.

[101RRS]

Oh no, that means I'll never know when you buy that Mustang,...Lol.
Pickles.

Huh :confused: - sorry confused, I think you have me mixed up with someone else.

[crash]

I wonder if anyone will change the Holden badges to Chevy ones?

[PAT303]

If it makes parts cheaper I'm all for it.I paid $27 for a V6 thermostat ''O'' ring yesterday,one ''O'' ring,not a container of them,just one. Pat

[pop058]

A collectors item for the Brock enthusiast with a spare 200K :)


1987 Holden Commodore Brock HDT VL Director Eucumbene Blue Automatic A Sedan | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1987-Holden-Commodore-Brock-HDT-VL-Director-Eucumbene-Blue-Automatic-A-Sedan/151573373317?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D2%26 asc%3D20140122130056%26meid%3Dff2d3052ee904c85a9d1 806fbd19dcf3%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26m ehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D162400039103)

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[Mick_Marsh]

A collectors item for the Brock enthusiast with a spare 200K :)


1987 Holden Commodore Brock HDT VL Director Eucumbene Blue Automatic A Sedan | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1987-Holden-Commodore-Brock-HDT-VL-Director-Eucumbene-Blue-Automatic-A-Sedan/151573373317?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D2%26 asc%3D20140122130056%26meid%3Dff2d3052ee904c85a9d1 806fbd19dcf3%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26m ehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D162400039103)

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Mmmmm........

Wouldn't I love to have that.

[Slunnie]

Wifey now has the "quick" car, she has an Audi RS3 Quattro, 270KW & 465NM,..she's very happy
Very nice! My Brother has been given the green light from his wife for one of these and is just waiting to put his money down on the sportback update with the new motor.

[Pickles2]

Very nice! My Brother has been given the green light from his wife for one of these and is just waiting to put his money down on the sportback update with the new motor.
Top stuff. Yes, we knew there was a "new" engine, same engine but alloy, we just didn't want to wait another year, but 400HP will be good!
Wifey just LOVES hers!
Pickles.

[Pickles2]

Well I suppose I'll have to take the usual flack from the Ford & the "Dunnydore" fans, but no worries guys, all is good.
I'm a life member of the HSVOC of Victoria, and last night the Club had its monthly meeting in "Toms Cafe" adjacent to the HSV production facility & the Walkinshaw Racing Team HQ. It's a good place for a meeting as there is secure parking & the Cafe has good tucker,..I had a massive Parma & chips!
Anyway, the main reason for the meeting there last night was for members to be able to view the HSV MY17 range including the GTSR & of course the mighty "W1".
We had Four HSV guys there from design, engineering, explaining all of the engineering behind the new range, particularly the W1, which of course is the only car, apart from the ZRI Corvette to have the Supercharged dry sumped LS9 V8, for which that engine was designed. There was no gearbox available from GM that would handle the LS9's power & torque so it was necessary for HSV to design a new gearbox casing containing the ZR1 gears, and also to design a new input shaft, no small task! Dry sump plumbing, braking, cooling, emissions, unique to W1 Supercar based suspension (no MRC on this car), was explained as was the fitment of unique wider front mudguards.
An excellent presentation, afterwards we all had the opportunity to get "up close & personal" with the range, sit in them etc, and talk to the engineers, a great experience.
It's interesting to note that all 300 of these cars have been pre-sold, some selling for $250K+, well above RRP of $170K. An HSV manager mentioned to me that in his opinion, some would be paying even more, to get a car.
None of the motoring scribes have had the opportunity to a real "Road" test yet, Luffy's done some of the suspension work, & ya can read his words in the latest edition of "Motor".
Hopefully, I'll get a ride in one, one day!
Pickles.

[V8Ian]

Mmmmm........

Wouldn't I love to have that.

Will mumsy loan you the dosh? [bigwhistle]

[Mick_Marsh]

Will mumsy loan you the dosh? [bigwhistle]

Loan????

If mumsie had the dosh, there are other ways to get it.
Unfortunately, I would fall somewhat short of the funds required.

[ramblingboy42]

Pickles , I really hope you do get a drive in one those cars sooner rather than later.

I 'm looking forward to hearing you wax lyrical about the opportunity.

[V8Ian]

Loan????

If mumsie had the dosh, there are other ways to get it.
Unfortunately, I would fall somewhat short of the funds required.

Son, it's about time you bought a nice family sedan.

[Mick_Marsh]

Son, it's about time you bought a nice family sedan.
You sound just like........
Oh, no, Ian, are you my mother?

I already have four family sedans. Ok, three. One no longer functions but I still have it.

[pop058]

You sound just like........
Oh, no, Ian, are you my mother?

I already have four family sedans. Ok, three. One no longer functions but I still have it.

But is one of them a VL ??

[Mick_Marsh]

But is one of them a VL ??
Sadly, no.
Quite a few years ago I was looking for a VL Calais. I found a station wagon with a V8. I should have bought it but I didn't because I also found the VR. I bought the VR. HSV 185i Calais. Oh, the HSV car cub rejected my application on the grounds the Calais was not a true HSV. But it was.
The VR was the best car I ever had.
Anyways, at a recent car show, I saw a VC SL/E station wagon. Chatting to the owner, I found out only eight were made (or was that six). I wonder how many VL Calais station wagons were made. Probably not many.
Oh, and I'd love to have an A9X. I found one a few years before I bought my VR. $20k it was. Silly me bought a VC SL/E instead.
Oh, and then there was the John Goss coupe about fifteen years ago for $9k. It had a broken fuel pump otherwise in good original condition. What are they worth now? $80k-90k?
I wish I had a big shed where I could store them all with my W1.
Wish I had a W1.

[V8Ian]

Sadly, no.
Quite a few years ago I was looking for a VL Calais. I found a station wagon with a V8. I should have bought it but I didn't because I also found the VR. I bought the VR. HSV 185i Calais. Oh, the HSV car cub rejected my application on the grounds the Calais was not a true HSV. But it was.
The VR was the best car I ever had.
Anyways, at a recent car show, I saw a VC SL/E station wagon. Chatting to the owner, I found out only eight were made (or was that six). I wonder how many VL Calais station wagons were made. Probably not many.
Oh, and I'd love to have an A9X. I found one a few years before I bought my VR. $20k it was. Silly me bought a VC SL/E instead.
Oh, and then there was the John Goss coupe about fifteen years ago for $9k. It had a broken fuel pump otherwise in good original condition. What are they worth now? $80k-90k?
I wish I had a big shed where I could store them all with my W1.
Wish I had a W1.
If "ifs and ands" were pots and pans..............

I know where you're coming from, Mick. [bigsad]

[pop058]

I was just about to laugh at your suggestion the a JGS was worth that money. No, have a look on evilbay first I thought and there is one on there (a dealer admittedly) at nearly 90K.

bloody 302 auto with fancy stripes. I never thought I would see the day

[scarry]

You sound just like........
Oh, no, Ian, are you my mother?

I already have four family sedans. Ok, three. One no longer functions but I still have it.

That would be the Land Rover?

Like everyone, with there shouldn't have sold,mine was the HSV Vs '96 Clubby.Manual,leather option,had all the original receipts,nice car.
Completely original.I bought it one year old.Had it for a good few years.A guy flew up from Melbourne and bought it.

My local mechanic has two of the last Ford 351 hardtops.He has refurbished both and they are in original condition,even the wheels are original.

[Mick_Marsh]

I was just about to laugh at your suggestion the a JGS was worth that money. No, have a look on evilbay first I thought and there is one on there (a dealer admittedly) at nearly 90K.

bloody 302 auto with fancy stripes. I never thought I would see the day

You need to get out more.
Next Feb., come for a visit to the Hanging Rock car show. I'm sure Tom, Gav and I will be there, having a picnic. Stay a while as the All Ford Day will probably be the next weekend in Geelong. That is a great day. Quite a few John Goss Specials were there last year.

Oh, bring a cheque book. We'll find you a XA GT RPO83. The sedans are fetching $100k unrestored to almost $200k (rare colour in excellent condition). We might find you a coupe for under $250k.

[Pickles2]

You need to get out more.
Next Feb., come for a visit to the Hanging Rock car show. I'm sure Tom, Gav and I will be there, having a picnic. Stay a while as the All Ford Day will probably be the next weekend in Geelong. That is a great day. Quite a few John Goss Specials were there last year.

Oh, bring a cheque book. We'll find you a XA GT RPO83. The sedans are fetching $100k unrestored to almost $200k (rare colour in excellent condition). We might find you a coupe for under $250k.
RPO83?...gotta be a Hardtop of course,....Legend Car.
Pickles.

[Mick_Marsh]

That would be the Land Rover?

Like everyone, with there shouldn't have sold,mine was the HSV Vs '96 Clubby.Manual,leather option,had all the original receipts,nice car.
Completely original.I bought it one year old.Had it for a good few years.A guy flew up from Melbourne and bought it.

My local mechanic has two of the last Ford 351 hardtops.He has refurbished both and they are in original condition,even the wheels are original.
None of my Landrovers could be considered to be family sedans.

In my opinion, the VR/VS Commodores were the best Commodores made (if you exclude those that had that horrible V6). I still like the Commodores, even the latest Australian assembled Chinese one (except that horrible VE model).
I'd love to get a VS Senator. I found one I wanted to buy. The seller didn't reply to my text messages with anything understandable (very poor english/comprehension skills) so I thought it may have been a scam.

I'm looking around for a turbo Territory now. Found a perfect one at Christmas but was too slow.

[pop058]

None of my Landrovers could be considered to be family sedans.

In my opinion, the VR/VS Commodores were the best Commodores made (if you exclude those that had that horrible V6). I still like the Commodores, even the latest Australian assembled Chinese one (except that horrible VE model).
I'd love to get a VS Senator. I found one I wanted to buy. The seller didn't reply to my text messages with anything understandable (very poor english/comprehension skills) so I thought it may have been a scam.

I'm looking around for a turbo Territory now. Found a perfect one at Christmas but was too slow.

NOW your starting to make sense [smilebigeye]

[DiscoMick]

$200k - seriously?

[Pickles2]

None of my Landrovers could be considered to be family sedans.

In my opinion, the VR/VS Commodores were the best Commodores made (if you exclude those that had that horrible V6). I still like the Commodores, even the latest Australian assembled Chinese one (except that horrible VE model).
I'd love to get a VS Senator. I found one I wanted to buy. The seller didn't reply to my text messages with anything understandable (very poor english/comprehension skills) so I thought it may have been a scam.

I'm looking around for a turbo Territory now. Found a perfect one at Christmas but was too slow.
Turbo Territory is good, but the ultimate Territory is the FPV item with 275KW,...some say it was over the top, but a super rare Territory all the same, lovely seats, and whilst 275KW mightn't be the be all & end all off road, on the black stuff I reckon it'd be OK.
Pickles.

[Mick_Marsh]

Turbo Territory is good, but the ultimate Territory is the FPV item with 275KW,...some say it was over the top, but a super rare Territory all the same, lovely seats, and whilst 275KW mightn't be the be all & end all off road, on the black stuff I reckon it'd be OK.
Pickles.
Yeah. I looked at one of them. Test drove it. It went well.
I was told they wanted $15k for it. When we started talking price, that shot up to $30k. And the interior was ghastly.
The one I was looking at at Christmas was $11k, lower km, in better condition and looked much nicer. I'll be using it as a dd, not to add to my collection, so it will be getting a hard life. It would be sad to see a FPV get driven into the ground.

[Pickles2]

At the risk of "Derision" from "The Usual Suspects", whilst there has been plenty of positive stuff in the Press, Motoring Media etc, about this car, several (well to be realistic,.."orders", because none have been delivered yet!), I don't know exactly how many, are changing hands well above the RRP of $169K.
I've seen one at $289K, and the latest, which I've just noticed on AMSC, is for sale at "Offers Over $300K".
I predict they will go much higher.
All of the Holden V8 "Special Editions" "Director", "Motorsport", etc, were presold, and HSV's latest GTSR etc are almost all gone.
With the unavailability of a new Holden V8 as from October this year, I expect any Holden V8, and particularly the last of the VF range, whether HSV or Holden, to hold their value very well.
Pickles.

[cripesamighty]

One of my best mate has ordered the Director version and is eagerly awaiting its delivery later in the year. He chose not to have it delivered to his house in plastic wrapping to preserve it if he chose to store it instead of actually driving it... [biggrin]

[Pickles2]

One of my best mate has ordered the Director version and is eagerly awaiting its delivery later in the year. He chose not to have it delivered to his house in plastic wrapping to preserve it if he chose to store it instead of actually driving it... [biggrin]
He is a very lucky man. I believe these were the first to be sold out.
I've not seen one in the flesh,....maybe you could put up a few pics?
Pickles.

[cripesamighty]

I think it gets delivered in August or September. Will post some pics when he gets it.

[Pickles2]

A W1 is at this very moment being auctioned. I predict a sale price of $300K+. I will advise the sale price as soon as I'm aware.
Pickles.